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Guardian: Why are young men taking cold showers and going ‘monk mode’? To avoid talking about their feelings (archive.ph)
posted 2 years ago by Ahaus667 2 years ago by Ahaus667 +48 / -0
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– HallucinatoryBeing 61 points 2 years ago +61 / -0

Anyone got that screenshot of that unfaithful cunt that wanted to break up with her boyfriend because he was crying over his mother's death?

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– Ahaus667 [S] 49 points 2 years ago +49 / -0

Or the gf that wanted to dump her bf after he admitted he was raped to her

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– ForgotMyOldName 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

This is why I would almost always nullify if I was on the jury of a man who killed his wife or girlfriend, chances are she had it coming and got off too easy.

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– FuckGenderPolitics 36 points 2 years ago +36 / -0

There's that female empathy I keep hearing so much about.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 32 points 2 years ago +32 / -0

Female “empathy” is just narcissistic sympathy. They don’t care about anyone, but feel better about themselves after they advocate for x, get their name in a paper, and then try to profit from it.

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– bartbertbirtbortburt 13 points 2 years ago +13 / -0

If I had a dollar for every woman who confused empathy with sympathy, I'd have 3.9 billion dollars.

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– Ender910 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

Sometimes depends on the culture in question. I also wouldn't be remotely surprised if at least some of the cause for such a limited capacity for empathy in modern Western women is related to birth control measures.

I'm reasonably certain that at least some of what contributes to natural empathy in women is specifically tied in with some of their hormone patterns (especially as it relates to child rearing and bonding).

Birth control tends to suppress or rip that out of the equation, so you end up with far more manipulative sociopaths employing fake empathy as a weapon and a narrative-pushing device.

And of course we also see how this stacks with other variables on top. IE, an excess of unnecessary psychoactive pharmaceutical prescriptions, economic favoritism via simping, political favoritism, sociopathic levels of sexual promiscuity, entire media and industry campaigns intended to fuck over men, workplace politics, etc.

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– bartbertbirtbortburt 17 points 2 years ago +17 / -0

Birth control is a whole can of worms. If you asked people if we should alter the biological processes of half the species in the name of social and economic advancement, they would be pretty cautious in their response. For some reason (sexual revolution, ie Marxist bullshit), we completely skipped the conversation: to question it now would be the highest form of heresy.

Do not be misled by the fact that today hardly anyone gets killed for joining a scientific heresy. This has nothing to do with science. It has something to do with the general quality of our civilization. Heretics in science are still made to suffer from the most severe sanctions this relatively tolerant civilization has to offer. -- Paul Feyerabend

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– Grant_us_eyes 15 points 2 years ago +15 / -0

I've never been able to fathom how most women can see hormonal birth control as a good thing.

You're actively fucking around with your body to such an extent that it can and will alter your judgment, thinking, and decision processes - just so you can... have sex? And we're supposed to applaud this?

More and more I'm stumbling across topics I know better than to consider too deeply, as the endpoint is rather depressing to consider.

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– deleted 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0
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– Ender910 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

This is an excellent point. I think if it hadn't been for my own occasional issues with certain medications I wouldn't have developed an almost obsessive habit of researching any medical treatment options before trying them.

Although I guess I also do the same thing when narrowing down most consumer products too.

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– Ender910 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I suppose part of the idea is that it promotes a more consistent state, with less variation due to hormone cycles. Which on paper would seem like it might make sense, especially with other supposed benefits.

And I think some women (more-so in recent years) probably did do at least some research on what pros and cons different methods had, but I expect psychological effects and the actual benefit of natural female hormone cycles are often underplayed in most literature.

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– ForgotMyOldName 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Women are whores and never should have been given the opportunities to make choices.

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– Guy_Incognito76 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

I'm quite certain that birth control has lasting side effects (miscarriages) but there is zero research being done on this. I know so many people who tell the same story: Birth control for 5+ years, marriage, attempt to have kids, miscarriage, miscarriage, miscarriage, give up.

The studies (which are only surveys) ask women if they have ever conceived after being on the pill, and since most say yes, they conclude that the pill has no effect on fertility long term. Conceive, not give birth. This is asinine. There is no drug in existence that you can take daily for 5+ years without side effects. Not possible. It literally turns the uterine lining to poison, you're telling me that clears up instantly overnight? No way.

I knew a couple who failed to reach full term, and decided to adopt. They found an orphan white baby who's parents died in an accident. They encountered endless roadblocks trying to adopt him. The agency even said their house was "too nice" and they had "too much money" and he wouldn't be able to "relate to other kids." They had "too much land" and kids need to be "In the city around other kids" ??????? After this they were told they could have unlimited neglit babies from Africa, no questions asked.

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– deleted 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0
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– Ender910 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I won't deny that the idea of a male contraceptive pill almost promotes an instant and thoughtless appeal in myself. Only takes me a second though to ask the proper question of: "Okay, but what's the catch?". Generally, most things in life have a risk or a cost. And when it comes to products, don't expect the seller to always be so upfront about what that extra cost is.

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– ForgotMyOldName 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

All forms of birth control including condoms should be banned.

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– Imthrowing4 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

That's ... Actually a really good point.

It explains why I hate lots of women because of how they act, but the women I know are great. None of my family or friends who are female use birth control, and they're amazing people.

I would like to look into it now that you mention it. Might explain why progressive women are such subhuman shitbags and conservative ones are much more likely to be good people and have better maternal instincts and compassion.

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– Ender910 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Aye. It sort of dawned on me a bit when I was doing some research on the stages and effects of pregnancy because of a friend of mine.

I should note that there certainly can be exceptions to this. Had some experiences with a chick for a few years who was a bit unstable and never took any birth control.

So I guess a woman's hormones can still be an off-balance wildcard, but it's still a natural process that tends to have an established purpose that usually seems to encourage and promote some of those more positive motherly instincts and emotions.

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– ForgotMyOldName 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

This is why I would almost always nullify if I was on the jury of a man who killed his wife or girlfriend, chances are she had it coming and got off too easy.

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– bartbertbirtbortburt 46 points 2 years ago +46 / -0

they are not as hard as doing the things that most young men are scared of, such as expressing your hopes and fears honestly

The men who are going "monk mode" have probably all tried this and found out the world and most the people in it don't give a shit.

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– Mr_Cletus 38 points 2 years ago +38 / -0

This is exactly the case. The world will beat the shit out of you - and the people listening for your woes aren't usually your friends. When the mask eventually comes off you find that you were surrounded by a hierarchy of vultures and that all of your compassionate projections were misplaced. It's the same fuckin' game.

Man's gotta be useful, for better or for worse. Repel them.

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– deleted 24 points 2 years ago +24 / -0
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– Mr_Cletus 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

As we've seen for ourselves even those at the very top can get stabbed in the back at a moments notice and have their lives completely ripped from them and get told they're misogynists for hating being treated that way.

Sometimes "careful" isn't enough. Now, my analogue of "vulture", that was no coincidence - they are attracted to the smells of the dead and dying. Only things of their like enjoy a vulnerable man.

They surround themselves with losers because people who live with any actual certainty repel them or move on too fast for them to keep up. You pick yourself up out of the dirt, bat away the flies and the vultures, and keep moving. Let them eat someone else's corpse.

The people you want to meet in this life don't usually stop for a deadman anyhow. Never met anyone worth a damn while feeling sorry for myself, you don't always get to keep them either.

You become unattractive to vultures by never showing them vulnerability, and by merit of being their better. Those who know about that hidden dagger aren't likely to be stabbed so easily.

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– deleted 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0
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– ForgotMyOldName 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

If men shared our feelings we'd be thrown in prison on bullshit charges.

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– ailurus 27 points 2 years ago +27 / -0

The men who are going "monk mode" have probably all tried this and found out the world and most the people in it don't give a shit.

100%. Unless he's got a genuine male friend, a guy expressing any type of emotion is probably going to be worse off for it. If you're lucky, people (even family members in my personal experience) will just ignore what you're saying. If you're unlucky, you're going to get classified as a whiner or complainer, or mocked to your face.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

It's the world's oldest shit test.

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– ForgotMyOldName 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Most have realized it's hopeless to try and get a woman without burning down and rebuilding all of society.

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– TerpenoidTester 30 points 2 years ago +30 / -0

When I was in my early 20s, I owned a duffel bag full of sand. Correction: I owned a duffel bag full of sandwich bags full of sand, each duct-taped closed so that I could easily add them to or remove them from the larger bag when I was taking it outside to do squats and hill sprints. In my mind, this was a perfectly reasonable thing to do, a view I questioned only when one of my friends, helping me to move house, said: “Ooh, this is heavy, what’s in this one?” Reader, they were furious.

I mention this not to show off, but to establish my credentials before the next bit.

Can we all appreciate how nice it will be when AI finally takes over these jobs? Because I have never seen a worse introduction in my entire life, this is just narcissistic ramblings. He thinks this is his Xanga.

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– FrozeInFear 23 points 2 years ago +23 / -0

Joel Snape is a writer and fitness expert

*Looks at author photo*

Are you sure about that?

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– TerpenoidTester 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

The man carried around small bags of sand in a larger bag.

He was probably JACKED. All fitness experts use small bags of sand and a duffel bag right?

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– NotMacgyver 23 points 2 years ago +23 / -0

That is how you distinguish the noobs from the experts. The noob will stuff his sand in the duffel while the expert will sub divide his sand for easier sand management.

They don't teach you this kind of practical knowledge in sand school, you only learn it through real, actual life experience

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– Mr_Cletus 16 points 2 years ago +16 / -0

It's the kind of gimmicky thing that you do to avoid lifting weights because you are afraid of the locker room showers and objective numbers.

Soys will go to great lengths to never know how much they can actually bench.

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– FuckGenderPolitics 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

afraid of the locker room showers

They're really not gonna like what awaits them when they get inevitably get caught touching children.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

This is extremely accurate lol. Some kids also do this because they don't have access to barbells.

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– Mr_Cletus 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

It's decent, I'd never knock a useful training utility used right - but I look into this man's eyes, observe his vague posturing about it and the overall content of the article, and I just instinctively know.

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– GuestAccount69 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Hey, it worked in Dragonball Z, right? Just pump up the gravity and shit.

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– ArtemisFoul 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Even with that useless, obnoxious introduction, the "article" is still barely longer than Grauniad's e-begging box under it. Which could be fine, except brevity isn't always the soul of wit - I could write something more interesting than "waah Tate bad" drunk, blindfolded, and using a French layout on an Ergodox keyboard.

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– deleted 20 points 2 years ago +20 / -0
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– RoulerBleu 14 points 2 years ago +14 / -0

Free-range organic sand ain't cheap.

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– ArtemisFoul 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Yeah but for sprinting? That sounds terrible.

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– Mr_Cletus 28 points 2 years ago +28 / -0

Yes, never collect yourself - practice only one subset of social skills, which is mirroring the shallow, bluepilled sentiments of the people around you. Never initiate the drive to be useful, never solidify your role amongst the still very much hunter-gatherer soul of civilization; never sharpen a spear or tie a sling, or deal with circular emotions constructively as men should and have for many thousands of years by being useful, in a world that is cold and indifferent, if not actively hostile, towards those who cannot shape it.

Instead seek platitudes for your emotions, mald, grow a beard, wear horn-rimmed glasses and a women's sweater. Become a penisless, complicit, compliant, soulless bugman just like Joel here. Surely this is the way, being a eunuch of the soul.

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– DT990P 25 points 2 years ago +25 / -0

Every time we talk about our hopes and fears they call us conspiracy theorists and Nazis.

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– FuckGenderPolitics 23 points 2 years ago +23 / -0

Isolating yourself from this sick society is a sign of strength and moral fortitude. It's great that men are realizing how unhealthy feminism has made our society and staying away from the poison.

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– censorthisss 17 points 2 years ago +17 / -0

Soy faggot thinks blubbering endlessly about your feelings is harder than going to gym consistently LOL

I also like how he doesn't even attempt to show his work on how he arrived at his conclusion.

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– MargarineMongoose 15 points 2 years ago +15 / -0

Check out the physiognomy on that author.

These people don't want men actually talking about their feelings. An honest discourse would be far too harrowing for most of society to stomach.

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– Kienan 14 points 2 years ago +14 / -0

Men: *Do pretty much anything.*

Journo Scum: Now, here's why that's a bad thing...

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– ExtraCharger 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

It's amusing to see commentators misunderstand men and masculinity so badly. Men don't explicitly talk about their "feelings" - oh, it must mean that men don't know how to talk about their "feelings" or some bullshit.

Nothing shows how lacking in "empathy" the so-called "empathetic" sex is more than the feminist bullshit about men and feelings. Let's look a simple example that most men would probably understand, even if they haven't never thought about it in this way:

A bloke walks into a pub. Sits next to his mate. Mate ask, "Hey, how's it going?"

Bloke says, "Pretty shit really, boss is giving me hell at work. Can't do nothing right."

Mate replies, "Ah shit. That sucks. What are you going to do?"

"Nothing. Boss has always been a cunt. Nothing new, eh? Want another drink?" bloke says, laughing.

Feminists would say: Oh no! Look at these stoic men not talking about their feelings! They should talk about their feelings!

Reality: Bloke had a shit day and has communicated his feelings perfectly well to his mate. Mate checked in if he's coping alright. Bloke says it's nothing new and indicates it's nothing he can't tell handle. The two men used their empathy to exchange emotional content without explicitly talking about their feelings.

The reality is men are good at communicating their feelings. But they don't make a song and dance of it. Instead they do it by reading between the lines from each other's body language and words. That's empathy. Not the bullshit sold by feminists that apparently women are better at then men. In reality, if women (and male feminists) actually need to explicitly talk about their feelings, it must mean they suck at empathy.

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– deleted 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0
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– ExtraCharger 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

There's more that as well - men insult their friends to toughen each other up. If a man is used to getting shit from his friends, he'll have much thicker skin and not be easily taunted and lose his cool when his enemies taunt him.

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– Ender910 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

How and why men josh each other has a lot of interesting sides to it. Sometimes it's used as a form of encouragement, other times to indicate respect in spite of quirks and idiosyncrasies.

Not that this is necessarily specific to men, but men don't typically get as bent out of shape as women might.

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– TheKidsAreAltRight 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Something something men talk shoulder to shoulder, not face to face.

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– RondoOBlongo 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

Because they don't want to be labeled as dangerous incels by scumbag journos and politicians

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– Vivs3rdSock 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

This reads like someone falling for a 4chan troll op. Again.

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– realerfunction 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

why talk about your feelings with someone who's going to weaponize them against you? or just tell you to shut up and fuck off because somewhere there's a retarded syphilitic tranny not being praised as a living god?

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– Adamrises 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

This implies emotions are all worth acknowledging, instead of being leftover brain rot. Throw them in the fire to keep your rage burning, because that's all a man needs.

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– Adamrises 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Women are also too retarded to understand emotions breed off emotions. The more you acknowledge and dwell on them, the more they supply themselves to you.

Its why they are always depressed and anxious and riddled with bullshit, despite being in "therapy" and talking about their feelings constantly.

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– ForgotMyOldName 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Rage is blinding and hard to keep up. A passive smoldering hatred is easy to maintain, easy to stoke, and can be hidden.

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– Adamrises 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Hatred gives them power over you by acknowledging them as not only an existence worth considering, but actively creating reactions and emotions inside you. Its letting them live rent free in your head.

Rage is self originated, self sustaining, and gives them no power as its blindness makes it completely detached from anyone or anything.

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– ForgotMyOldName 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Hatred gives them power over you by acknowledging them as not only an existence worth considering, but actively creating reactions and emotions inside you. Its letting them live rent free in your head.

The way to evict them is with a shallow mass grave, and quite frankly I'm content to let anyone live rent free in my head if that's where I get to put them in the end.

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– Adamrises 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

If we live in a world where that is an option actually on the table, I'll give you it. But we still live in a society for the moment and cannot.

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– MegoThor 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Joel Snape

How appropriate.

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– Bouldabassed 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Someone give me the cold shower pill please.

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– alucard13mmfmj 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Society doesnt have time for feelings... things need to keep running. Who the hell is gonna clear those fatbergs and condoms out of the sewers if guys sit around to talk about our feelings? Who the hell is gonna fight in wars? Maintain our bridges?

Also, men who talk about their feelings too much is non sexy. It is weak. Women want someone in charge and be a protector. Hard to do that when a dude cries about their feelings. Its kinda why guys cry in private and let it all out in other ways. Sometimes guys blow their brains out.

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