Dont even have to watch these videos, just look at the comments on them ( I recommend using ad block to not give these people any ad revenue profits, even if its a few cents): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlwnlb72rLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pman_LN8sVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfCzdZZtP5g
And the thing that pisses me off is that anime is actually such a diverse medium, that there are literally mountainloads of anime that dont sexualize women. There is literally genres like shoujo and manhwa geared towards female audiences, and yet these people go into shounen (a genre meant for teenage boys), and the complain that the women are sexualized.
https://ibb.co/qWMmYMs https://ibb.co/8zRf8sQ https://ibb.co/x2GcyNH
And when you point out that there are genres that gear towards women as well, its still not enough for them.
Related to the post u/Theman2008 made earlier today
It also happens top down, not bottom up so trying to bully shitlib anime fans out of the fandom isn't going to work. If you want to gatekeep, the first step is to become a billionaire.
It’s never enough. If more people could realize that people who can’t shut up about diversity or sexism in your hobby are not actual fans and they have no interest in anything except changing what you enjoy fandoms would be so much better off.
Most of the people in these comment sections are people new to anime who only watch surface level male-geared shounen shit. There is one comment on inakyu's video where a girl writes "Im glad I watch aot, because its an anime that doesnt sexualize and writes strong female characters". Most of these people only started watching anime when it became popular. You see similar sentiment on instagram and tiktok comment sections as well.
They do the same with cosplay. They claim it's all sexy shit and then they ignore iconic female characters who are modest, because they want the over the top attention and reactions.
A nicely done Riza Hawkeye or Lina Inverse would always be cool, but she would get a bit less hollering than doing yet another currently popular titty waifu.
I'd love to see a good cosplay of Noa from Patlabor, but it's too old, and she's not sexualized.
"Technically not public indecency" cosplays will of course get attention, especially if it is an attractive woman "wearing" them, but pizzazz and proper coordination have, from my experience, gotten far more active attention. Passive attention, yeah, people gonna stare, but active "can I grab a photo?" "You're awesome" kind of thing, you gotta rock the outfit.
One year, the most popular costume at the con I was at was a couple in simple Titan cosplays, who had three ferrets in AoT guard costumes running around on them. And why not? It was adorable, and they were well-trained ferrets.
Another year, people crowded to see a Jesse and James paired cosplay that came in their own Meowth hot air balloon. Clearly the attention was because of the Jesse midriff, not the spectacle, right?
People appreciate the human form, male or female, that embodies the best of its physique. Obviously. But those socjus karens, oddly enough, act as if thots are the only women who exist at conventions.
So it’s similar to what you see in other hobbies were people who never had any interest jumped on board and now they want to dictate how it should be? If I understand correctly there are mangas and anime that are specifically made to appeal to guys or women right?
A major problem now is trying to force women into everything.
Yep all the normie retards are now watching anime and call themselves weebs because they watch mha
I'm not like those fake nerds who only watch mha, I know aot and fma too. Like, omg, I'm totes a weeb.
A few comments from the videos:
I know this commenter is talking about My Hero specifically, but in anime as a whole? It of course varies from anime to anime, but I'd argue the opposite; men are usually generic cutouts, whereas the female characters, even if trope-y, are distinct. And I've literally seen feminists bitch about that.
Generic female characters = bad, cause sexism. Generic male characters = bad, because it means men can identify with them; Patriarchy! You can't win.
...Watch...different...anime...then...?
Seriously, there's plenty of anime with well developed (heh) female characters, and even female protagonists, who are not there to be "objects of pleasure."
You have to explain that the male gaze is bad because you're in a cult, and you don't think like normal people anymore. As to fanservice, that trend is not because they want to humiliate and degrade female characters but because those characters don't usually display that level of sexuality or nakedness on their own, so to fit it in it has to be that accidental peeping or whatever. Oh, and also, Japan is fucking weird.
Funny thing is, again, they'd be unhappy no matter what. If a female character showed off willingly (in universe, I mean...because these are fictional characters and aren't un/willing since they're not real) all the time for fanservice...feminists are still pissed. As evidenced in some of the other comments there. So their argument that fanservice is sometimes "against the will" of the female characters is nonsense since they're also pissed when it's not against their will.
And, yes, anime must be gatekept the fuck out of.
Is it me or do the majority of women who whine about “male gaze” have jealousy issues? It seems like they can’t handle the idea that someone marketing to guys will include attractive women. Of course every superhero or guy on the cover of a romance novel has rippling muscles. Or wouldn’t 50 Shades be a massive example of the female gaze?
I mean, you could say the same for the feminist movement as a whole; most of them are not attractive, and the ones that are are usually indoctrinated college girls who are trying to fit in with the 'cool kids.'
Also, they suffer extensively from Protagonist Syndrome, where they all think they're the main character of life. Of course it's an insult if someone else - even fictional characters - are more attractive than them, or gets more attention. Narcissism through and through.
Also fits perfectly with why someone like Anita Sarkessian who admitted to not being a gamer couldn’t just say gaming wasn’t for her and move to something else, she had to make up a crusade to “fix” the hobby.
Every woman wants to "feel pretty/cute/attractive." Its in their instincts. Its why their self esteem is so deeply tied to it. Even if they argue they aren't trying to attract men by wearing makeup or certain clothes, the very idea of "feeling" good about your appearance is basically their entire confidence's foundation.
So when they see attractive women, and that men find that woman attractive, it reminds them of their own lack. Now, most could probably reach a 7-8/10 level of attractiveness with effort, but they don't want to put it in. Its easier in their mind to change all of society to lower the bar to their level than simply try.
That’s a big difference between men and women. If I see a dude that’s in shape that just reminds me to eat better and keep at my weight goal. But I totally agree. There is an episode of King of Queens where his wife sees construction workers by their house and is worried about getting catcalled. She is then disappointed when they don’t catcall her
You only have to watch the interview where Jordan Peterson suggests corporations should ban makeup in the workplace and look at the women's expressions, like he just told them to amputate a leg.
"Male gaze" is a bs term coined by some retarded art critic called John Berger, it's just taking the concept of "scopophilia" and making it a gendered issue because that's how you are brave and women would never look at men lustfully (except when they do, then it's empowering or something)
That's absolutely a huge part of it. The other part is actual androphobia. Both are rooted in how most women are failed women, which is its own topic. Failed women have a particular neurosis where they're both upset when a man (even a hypothetical man) doesn't find her attractive all the time, and also so deathly afraid of male sexuality that they don't want to see sexually provocative imagery displayed anywhere,
You've already mentioned the catcalling thing. That may have been a joke in a TV show, but it's a legitimate thing with women. Another good example are the western fujoshi - they desire male sexuality strongly enough that they're practically defined by their obsession with it, but also so afraid and disgusted by it being directed towards a woman that they can only play with it in the "safe" environment of gay porn.
I don't understand why people these days have this weird obssession of needing to relate to a character in order to like them or consider them well written. Not every character has to be relatable.
It probably comes down to narcissism. "If this character isn't a self insertion of me, then I can't understand them because I'm a completely self-centered cunt".
This has to be fairly new because I only heard people crying about representation in the last ten years or so
Characters need to be relatable on some level, that's just a part of storytelling. The relatability, though, has little to do with superficial characteristics.
Bad writers make it superficial. That's why 90% of male protagonists are Japanese teenagers with unkempt black hair loners who are especially bad at interacting with women. Oh, how relatable! Oh, make them semi-good at video games or studies, too! That's both lazy and weak writing.
But I've been reading though "Reborn as a Vending Machine", you've got an immobile vending machine MC, who literally can't converse. It would be a very boring story if the MC wasn't relatable, if it was just an account of sales and transactions. Relatability with a vending machine? Zero. Relatability with the MC? A lot more.
I've never been a vending machine selling chicken sticks to tazmanian devil lycanthropes, at least not recently, but I have been in customer service, I have been lost in foreign lands, I have hand-fed animals, I have made food for friends. I can know some distorted but represented emotion that the MC is feeling, within myself. Empathy. There's relatability far beyond "I'm not a vending machine, therefore I can't identify with this situation, therefore it is not relatable."
Those who cannot relate without direct physical characteristics, have no empathy.
That's because most girls in anime have modesty and that is part of what makes them so much more attractive than these "modern wahmen". Most of them are probably jealous they never receive the "male gaze".
For me, the biggest offence is that they assume only the men are looking or enjoying the fanservice. Women are frequently more interested in cute or sexy female characters than men.
It's not like it's a secret that more men than women watch JoJo, and more women than men watch Sailor Moon, even though there's many scenes of attractive men in states of undress in JoJo, and many scenes of attractive women in states of undress in Sailor Moon.
Manwha isn't for women only, it's the label for Korean cartoons. Like Manhua is for the Chinese one. Manga is Japanese. The label you're looking for is Josei.
Though to be fair, manwha do tend to be a bit more skewed than the other two.
That's because Korea is a more feminist-controlled society than China or Japan.
It also seems to be a much more superficial place than Japan.
Meanwhile Saitama is battling naked men all the time and no one seems to notice
That is absolutely retarded. I love seeing these clowns say something that looks like they're close to realization, and then totally miss the point.
So this dumbass is saying if men started watching yaoi or shojo in large enough numbers, even though it's not made for them, and specifically made for someone else, they get to complain...because they're watching it? She's admitting to blatant female entitlement and, uh, for lack of a better word, imperialism. "Women started watching stuff specifically geared for men, therefor it's ours now."
BEGONE, INVADER!
That's happening right now with Gundam and this sudden bullshit narritive of "women were the real Gundam fans from the beginning" that literally came out of nowhere coincidently with the start of the first Gundam series with a female protagonist.
Are these actual women saying this, or just trannies using the latest thing as a weapon?
Then only Gundam series I recall that had a large number of female followers was Gundam Wing, where all the MCs are men.
They did it in gaming, TV and movies. Why not try it again?
Maybe don't watch things you don't like, rather than complain about it.
This has worked for a very long time for media of all kinds. But I guess some want their ideas and opinions to be heard and re-enforced as the correct way.
There are some in that comment section that say exactly that and the get attacked because sexualization is an important issue. But do you realize how many things now I had to just not watch? The mindset of people who enter a hobby and demand it all change to suit them is insane.
They are insane. Rather than just move on and find things they like, they decide to change reality to suit their needs.
And I'd very much like them to stop.
Me too. These type of people are hired as writers for IPs. And look at comic books. Activists ruined them because they didn’t like that it was a male dominated hobby
If we're talking about the actual Anime itself, it's gatekept fairly well thanks to language barrier, that it relies on manga and light novels that they themselves go for niche audiences than the grey general audience the Western media tries to appeal to. To better protect it you need to look at the money itself, if the studios can get a steady income just from their fans, they'll stay loyal most of the time as Japanese businesses prefer repeat consistent income over the 'imaginary' audience the West chases.
The real threat is from what I term "the satellite crowd". Not directly involved in the making of anime but attach themselves to it, in the good cases it's symbiotic, bad parasites. The cosplay crowd, reviewers both print and few cases on YouTube, streaming services etc, these are HEAVILY invested as they don't have the same barriers as Anime production. Through these they try to use their slight connection to imply they speak for a greater audience so it's the task of fans to show they don't to stop any chance at a foothold.
The problem is there is a creeping tendril from the west in the form of localizers who are both trying to push woke shit in the officially licensed versions of anime (the dragon maid dub comes to mind) and are also trying to push their way into the Japanese market itself by funding anime with western money such as from netflix.
I'd include the localisers in the satellite fraction I talked about as the majority of Anime watchers are fine with subs and most cases prefer it as Japanese voice artists usually nail the characters better
But as I said they are trying to seep into the industry through these means, the only thing stopping them is their own incompetence as Netflix can't release an Anime right to save their lives!
You probably know, but the subs are heavily localized too. Much of it makes sense, some of it unnecessary, and then there is the malicious changes of the localizer coloring it in with their world view instead of the creator's intention.
The part that keeps getting left out are the trannies. Most trannies don't even want to be real women, they want to be anime girls. Hell, they don't even want to be anime girls, they want to be traps (which is part of why they were so controlling over the term).
Trannies are the most dedicated footsoldiers of prog shit, so not only are they willing to commit their entire lives to even minor moderation roles to serve their values, but their dedication to the cause makes them loyal any powers that will throw them a bone. It's why they seemingly have so much influence.
I don't know how much of that is a problem ?
If you watch anime dubbed you are retarded, and nobody can help retarded people.
Would one rather watch lifeless English speakers getting paid pennies massacre the work or talented Japanese cast that enjoys their work, take it very seriously and can perform and sing.
I was recently watching Dreamworks cartoons and was really surprised that it doesn't sound even 5% as retarded as anime dubs do.
Same thing with Netflix anime, what the fuck is even that ?
If one is a faggot and is getting a faggot treatment, how is that a problem ?
Clearly Netflix anime dub watchers are closer to feminists than anime fans.
At least some comments tell them to stop watching. It’s hard to have any conversation about misogyny or “sexualization” now because trying to talk to a woman to try to get to know her is seen as near rape to some women. I’m not a hardcore anime fan where I know the different types but a lot of this just goes in one ear and out the other thanks to the tendency to overblow everything now. Like with race. I have zero interest in any race discussion now unless you want to discuss all racism including against whites.
I’m just so tired of people entering established fandoms and demanding they change regardless of what longtime fans want.
They're literally bitching about shonen, or "boys' media," not conforming to female demands.
The arrogance is off the chart. This is the equivalence of us getting mad because rom cons don’t cater to males
It's like straight men getting pissed off at gay porn, which is actually an example one of the feminist invaders used...while somehow completely missing the point.
At least some of those people who commented weren’t crazy. Do you know if the Japanese obsess over “male gaze” and crap like that?
They're literally the Texan standing in Mexico City yelling "speak American, it's the only language I understand, you damn foreigners!".
There is no difference between the two cultural imperialists. They are identical, and should be laughed at identically.
So far, good boy points haven't replaced yen as the currency of choice for Japanese companies, unlike the Western world.
People that deny human sexuality need to be ostracized, or outright purged if we're feeling less charitable.
Everyone has opinions... but companies only seem to listen to "faggots" and "feminists". Opinions of nerdy asian and white dudes dont matter anymore.
Simps at the gates.
Japan has done a better job of surviving leftism, that ANYTHING in the west. If it falls left, everything else will still be farther gone. And "gatekeeping" is a leftist thing; Japan needs it, like children need Trannie Story Hour.
Thanks for the explanation of the genres; I didn't know that.
The lack of morality - different than gatekeeping - is why humanity is losing; there is only one party, and it is anti-human... We need God, or we die.
Just talk about Yaoi. Sick fetishization of gays, typically written by straight women, for straight women.
It's clever, because you create a left-wing circular firing squad and get the alphabet people at women's throats.
Boy, I'm glad straight men never create content for other straight men that involves fetishization of lesbians.
If that were a thing, you'd look pretty silly here...
While I don't disagree with the point you are making (and he is often silly), Yaoi gets into some wierd shit that is actually well more disturbing (like teaching teen girls the anus is self lubricating). And its Fujo audience is far more detached from reality, and much more likely to try and force that onto people.
A few from my high school would go around bullying and gaslighting some more weak willed men into thinking they were gay, just to set them up with other guys to get off on it. Often times their own boyfriends were the victims of this, and I doubt those guys ever really emotionally recovered from that.
Its very much a case where the "both sides do it!" is technically true, but the reality is they are nowhere near the same outside of the premise.
/Chris Claremont has enter the comic.
Looking at you Rachel Summers who was supposedly meant to be Shadowcat's OTP and is now a lesbian with Betsy Braddock instead, in addition to Rachel's Hound persona which was red fetish latex/leather gear.
And of course Emma Frost but that one is more well known.
You retard actually don't know shit about yaoi and all the violent bloody shit that's apparently so attractive to women. Yuri smut is just lovey dovey, yaoi is bloody rape.
I mean, I can't really say it's my thing, so yeah.
But I'd imagine it's like any other category; some wholesome, and then some really nasty and fucked up shit. You can find lesbian stuff that is just absolutely awful toward the women, too.
Makes sense, considering how they act towards each other.
"can find" is very loaded words.
I "can find" men willing to rape random women on the streets with a pistol, theoretically if I looked long enough. That doesn't mean the average man is willing to do so, even if I "can find" it.
The average yuri story is two same-aged schoolgirls experimenting and liking it. The average yaoi story is grooming. "Seme" and "Uke".
You "can find" a yuri story involving grooming abuse, and you "can find" a yaoi story about two same-aged schoolboys experimenting and liking it, but both are far from the norm, and when you're talking on the whole, you have to use the representative sample.
Fair enough. I've already said I don't know anything about yaoi. Perhaps it is comparatively terrible.
Nah you don't
I literally don't even know what you're talking about at this point. "I don't" what?
I didn't say "I do" to anything, and if you're reiterating that "you retard don't know shit about yaoi," I already said I don't, so we're in agreement if that's what you mean. Gay porn isn't really my thing, what can I say?
This is a weird fucking conversation, and you're being a prick for undiscernible reasons to boot. But you do you, I suppose!
Should be can't. Sorry not my native language faggot. Now please kindly kill yourself so I don't get the bells anymore. Und ihr Hurensöhne dürft euch auch aufhängen
Still have no clue what you're talking about.. Maybe lay off the drugs.
Yup, still lost. but...no, u.
Pussy. Also: Normie.
Not really. It would still show that women aren't innocent.
Also, lesbianism is a male hate fetishism, not a sexuality.