I fucking hate meetings. And honestly, only women consider attending meetings to be the same as working. For the rest of us, it's time we could be working that was wasted.
We hired a woman fresh out of going back to school to "learn to code" to be a software engineer. The first thing she did was announce her pregnancy, then became more interested in the leave policies than how to become good at her job.
This is why we only hire coders by internal referral. Nobody wants to be the one to let a slacker weak link onto the team so we only recommend people that we know for an absolute fact will be able to perform.
Pisses off HR no end that they can't gatekeep but fortunately the CEO has our back.
Interviewed an early-20s chick candidate a couple weeks ago for my team that works on a 3d rendering engine. She was currently working for a well-known company and had been there on a multi-year internship while working on her degree.
She was nice, but really vague on most of her answers. Then we get to the quick weed-out coding example where she's asked to write a function that does a 2d vector rotation around the origin, where we provided the rotation matrix and gave an example of how to multiply a vector by a matrix.
She got to choose her language (C# in this case). The tool we use provided her with a "Hello World!" main() function. She was utterly lost. Kept trying to use Unity libraries to do the rotation, and didn't seem to understand that we expected her to write the function herself. After she flailed for a few minutes and it was clear that she wasn't going to get anywhere, we helped her get a shitty program working that did the job.
After this, we asked what sort of position she was looking for and she was very clearly expecting to get an intermediate-level SDE gig. We said thanks.
It's unreal. This girl had no idea how out of her depth she was because I'm sure she'd been coddled her entire goddamn life. The best thing we could have probably said to her was, "you really need to up your game" but it probably wouldn't have done any good.
I gotta admit I hate those coding tests. I work much better when there aren't any one looking over my shoulder and I can occasionally refer to my notes/prior work.
Yes, I can easily code a login handler and db look up and all that other shit. But I dont really want to reinvent the wheel every time.
I've been coding for 40 years, but I use such a variety of languages and IDEs that if you asked me to code on the spot with no computer, I'd look like a complete mess. Sometimes when switching languages I struggle to properly syntactically write a for statement.
and I can occasionally refer to my notes/prior work.
Say so during those tests. You are encouraged to talk during those tests. "Hey, I wrote something very similar for X, I would look up which library I have to import and how the function is named. Alternatively I would look up the API to get the function name".
It isn't really important if you forgot if you access a vector's size by .size or .length (well you should know that in your language of choice, but you get the point). A good interviewer would then tell you if it's .size / .length to keep you going and not weight it against you.
Same with the example from OP - if you forgot how the 3d rotation matrix around the x-axis looks like... say you would look it up. If you want bonus points say where the "1" is placed, but where you have the "-" is ... not important to your skill as a programmer.
I hate them too, and I've been on the other end of them where I just had a complete brain-fart and whiffed it.
But damn, you would be amazed at how useful they are to weed out people who are clueless.
In this case we weren't going for a gotcha, it wasn't any sort of trick question. It was a very basic 2 or 3 line function to take a vector and an angle and perform a transform on it, and return the result.
It would be one thing if someone were looking for a junior gig and would expect a lot of hand-holding. It's something entirely different when they think they're a mid-level developer, and they have this perception only because nobody in their lives have ever told them that they don't know anything.
So I only had somebody explain to me how matrices are involved in 3D rendering in passing about a decade ago, but just to clarify, that task is the absolute basics of the basics, isn't it?
Look at this wiki page. They gave her the first R (the 2x2 matrix with sin/cos).
They showed her how matrix-vector multiplication works (the Rv = stuff example).
And they wanted her to program that. Basically this:
Of course you can do more fun stuff depending on your language of choice (pass by reference/copy, initialize vars, ...), maybe you have to import a math lib for cos/sin, ... but that is the absolute basic.
It's "Here's a math formula, please make the PC do it".
3d rendering is basically 2 things: 3d math, and shuffling large amounts of data from main CPU memory to the GPU, and doing it efficiently.
The 3d math is frequently so basic that you do it once and then never touch it again through the life of the application. But multiplication of a vector by a matrix is absolutely fundamental and we even tell them how to do it. All they have to do is write the code.
Wait, she had to take your equation and make it into code? That's it? Even if I didn't know the language, I could look up tutorials and make something out of it.
I didn't even go to school for coding and I could probably do that. That is pretty damn sad. I've been fortunate to have some competent women as coworkers, but it doesn't surprise me that it's that bad in a field like that.
The fact that you have two downvotes is sad. Men and women have separate but equal roles, and like 99% of women are not fit for these jobs and the 1% that can keep up would still be happier at home.
Every so often we get a news story around here, about a woman getting knocked up and taking her maternity leave. Somehow they always manage to get a promotion to some manager/better paid position before going on leave. Then the company has to find a replacement and is "obligated" to give her position back when she returns...
The story is usually the background for a lawsuit, where the woman contests her firing. and the company saying that she knew she was pregnant and deliberately took the position when she knew she would not be able to do the work.
The only time I enjoy meetings is when I can point out how literally everyone else fucked up and ignored when I literally told them this was going to happen.
Everything else is a waste of time, and can be done via email in my experience. But I know a lot of people (in general, not just at my job) who refuse to read emails and do their job unless there's a meeting where they get held to the fire directly.
Meetings should be short and and precise. A general meeting where a team of 10 or less people updating what they are working on or have accomplished should not take more than 13 minutes tops. ideally 10 or less but I give 3 for the general good morning how is everyone doing kind of small talk
That meeting could be an email and is still not important unless I actually need to know about the rest of the team's progress on a specific process. If that's the case then we're probably collaborating on something and I'm already in contact with them independent of some dumb meeting, so the meeting is still just going to get in the way of me being productive most of the time.
Should be an email. The problem is you end up with people who also never send the update email. So if you have a team of people who do that great. I’ve worked on teams where everyone is great at their job, but they are all focused on their tasks and never update their tasks as completed leaving the manager unsure where our progress is on milestones causing problems for them when it comes to task planning and scheduling. So if I have to have a meeting, 1 10 minute meeting a week isn’t a bad trade off.
If something is actually important then someone will show up at my desk. It doesn't require a meeting, it just requires actual human interaction, something which everyone in the modern era seems to be allergic to.
Fair enough if that's your circumstance. I would question the sensibility of having teammates that aren't all in the same office, but that's just me bloviating about my own organizational philosophy.
"work day" consists of nothing but free resort amenities provided by Twitter & supposed "meetings" in which people talk about work but don't actually do any work
This is so disgusting, and this girl's voice and accent are so obnoxious. The whole video is a gynobrag hashtag blessed.
I honestly don’t care if women want to work, forcing men to accommodate them or lose their business was one of the most tyrannical frauds ever perpetrated by the US government. If women wanted to build their own businesses and compete and/or integrate in companies that would take them fine. That a choice, demanding we have x percentage of women when the majority of female candidates only want administrative positions created the current hellscape we exist in.
I fully believe that in order to live like this, you have to be a sociopath. To spend your days uselessly drinking vegan smoothies in an ostentatious monument to excess and getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and not feel bad about it, you have to have neither a soul nor the ability to feel any emotion, unless narcissism counts as an emotion.
Now in order to not only not feel bad but to brag about it, that just makes you subhuman. Lower than shit. She's everything wrong with modern society.
To spend your days uselessly drinking vegan smoothies
"I've seen the future, you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sittin' around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake singing "I'm an Oscar-Meyer Wiener". - Edgar Friendly "Demolition Man"
This mentality is cultivated in our public schools where everyone's a winner, the stupidest are put forward as exemplary, you get strokes for being the right sex and/or color, and narcissism is the ruling ethos.
It is made worse by the envy generated by consumer culture, which creates the mindset "I deserve that" instead of "how can I earn that?"
Every woman in those "my day as a ____ employee" has the same voice and accent. And in each of those videos you can even hear the smugness combined with the contempt for normal human beings struggling with normal work.
That's how 80% of companies in America are. They produce nothing.
It's a scary combo. Obviously it's attractive to work for such a company, and today the apparatus actually holds them in a higher regard than say, a trucking company.
It fills me with rage to know that I bust my ass every day loading trucks, coming home with back pain and bruises...and this bitch is sitting there drinking Starbucks and playing foosball, while going to "meetings" where she probably doesn't contribute anything useful.
Get your popcorn. The shrieking meltdowns are going to be epic and entertaining. Musk is going to cut through their sad lives like a hot knife through butter.
The Lotus eaters did a podcast on one like this for linked in a while back.
Rest assured the evidence suggests it's a marketing advertisement to apply to these places. This is not an actual day. Notice how she said "ended my trip"
I can sort of see why they're trying so hard to keep their jobs. This is really cushy and nice.
Then I think about how it's a trick. The company doesn't want you to leave. They want you there all day, and even sleep there. The cushion is a trick for a prison, and the ladies haven't figured it out yet.
I know someone very well that works at a major tech firm that has amenities like this. On their new employee orientation it was encouraged that you take advantage of these perks, but to only use them within reason. Like on your 10-15 minute breaks or lunch not spend your whole day using them. And that those found using them more than working would need to be updating their resumes because you will be fired. I don’t know what the women who make these kind of videos do. But I can’t imagine their peers respect them at all if this really is a day in the life of their time at work and not a recruiting video.
I fucking hate meetings. And honestly, only women consider attending meetings to be the same as working. For the rest of us, it's time we could be working that was wasted.
The concept of productivity is alien to most women.
We hired a woman fresh out of going back to school to "learn to code" to be a software engineer. The first thing she did was announce her pregnancy, then became more interested in the leave policies than how to become good at her job.
This is why we only hire coders by internal referral. Nobody wants to be the one to let a slacker weak link onto the team so we only recommend people that we know for an absolute fact will be able to perform.
Pisses off HR no end that they can't gatekeep but fortunately the CEO has our back.
Interviewed an early-20s chick candidate a couple weeks ago for my team that works on a 3d rendering engine. She was currently working for a well-known company and had been there on a multi-year internship while working on her degree.
She was nice, but really vague on most of her answers. Then we get to the quick weed-out coding example where she's asked to write a function that does a 2d vector rotation around the origin, where we provided the rotation matrix and gave an example of how to multiply a vector by a matrix.
She got to choose her language (C# in this case). The tool we use provided her with a "Hello World!" main() function. She was utterly lost. Kept trying to use Unity libraries to do the rotation, and didn't seem to understand that we expected her to write the function herself. After she flailed for a few minutes and it was clear that she wasn't going to get anywhere, we helped her get a shitty program working that did the job.
After this, we asked what sort of position she was looking for and she was very clearly expecting to get an intermediate-level SDE gig. We said thanks.
It's unreal. This girl had no idea how out of her depth she was because I'm sure she'd been coddled her entire goddamn life. The best thing we could have probably said to her was, "you really need to up your game" but it probably wouldn't have done any good.
I gotta admit I hate those coding tests. I work much better when there aren't any one looking over my shoulder and I can occasionally refer to my notes/prior work.
Yes, I can easily code a login handler and db look up and all that other shit. But I dont really want to reinvent the wheel every time.
I've been coding for 40 years, but I use such a variety of languages and IDEs that if you asked me to code on the spot with no computer, I'd look like a complete mess. Sometimes when switching languages I struggle to properly syntactically write a for statement.
Say so during those tests. You are encouraged to talk during those tests. "Hey, I wrote something very similar for X, I would look up which library I have to import and how the function is named. Alternatively I would look up the API to get the function name".
It isn't really important if you forgot if you access a vector's size by .size or .length (well you should know that in your language of choice, but you get the point). A good interviewer would then tell you if it's .size / .length to keep you going and not weight it against you.
Same with the example from OP - if you forgot how the 3d rotation matrix around the x-axis looks like... say you would look it up. If you want bonus points say where the "1" is placed, but where you have the "-" is ... not important to your skill as a programmer.
I hate them too, and I've been on the other end of them where I just had a complete brain-fart and whiffed it.
But damn, you would be amazed at how useful they are to weed out people who are clueless.
In this case we weren't going for a gotcha, it wasn't any sort of trick question. It was a very basic 2 or 3 line function to take a vector and an angle and perform a transform on it, and return the result.
It would be one thing if someone were looking for a junior gig and would expect a lot of hand-holding. It's something entirely different when they think they're a mid-level developer, and they have this perception only because nobody in their lives have ever told them that they don't know anything.
I have never sat on the other side, but I understand why they are used nonetheless. Though I still hate them.
So I only had somebody explain to me how matrices are involved in 3D rendering in passing about a decade ago, but just to clarify, that task is the absolute basics of the basics, isn't it?
Fuck you pal, I'm a welder, not a mathematician
My two younger coworkers wanted to give her the next interview. =\
I mean, she was a solid 7.
Look at this wiki page. They gave her the first R (the 2x2 matrix with sin/cos).
They showed her how matrix-vector multiplication works (the Rv = stuff example).
And they wanted her to program that. Basically this:
2dvector rotate(2dvector v, double theta) {
r[0] = v[0] * cos(theta) - v[1] sin(theta)
r[1] = v[0] * sin(theta) + v[1] cos(theta)
return r }
Of course you can do more fun stuff depending on your language of choice (pass by reference/copy, initialize vars, ...), maybe you have to import a math lib for cos/sin, ... but that is the absolute basic.
It's "Here's a math formula, please make the PC do it".
You're hired.
You'd be hard pressed to come up with a simpler question related to rendering. The only thing I can think of is scaling.
3d rendering is basically 2 things: 3d math, and shuffling large amounts of data from main CPU memory to the GPU, and doing it efficiently.
The 3d math is frequently so basic that you do it once and then never touch it again through the life of the application. But multiplication of a vector by a matrix is absolutely fundamental and we even tell them how to do it. All they have to do is write the code.
Wait, she had to take your equation and make it into code? That's it? Even if I didn't know the language, I could look up tutorials and make something out of it.
I didn't even go to school for coding and I could probably do that. That is pretty damn sad. I've been fortunate to have some competent women as coworkers, but it doesn't surprise me that it's that bad in a field like that.
This is why women shouldn't have careers.
Go home and raise your kids.
The fact that you have two downvotes is sad. Men and women have separate but equal roles, and like 99% of women are not fit for these jobs and the 1% that can keep up would still be happier at home.
Society is ill, and even here there are those who are afflicted.
Their role of housewife is worthless and has been long obsoleted by advances in appliances.
You don't understand the human animal. You should stop speaking about things you are ignorant of.
You keep wasting your money on a wife to do chores. I'll buy machines and come out ahead.
Sounds like someone who would not "be a good fit" within the 90 day trial period.
She probably announced her pregnancy after that one was over.
Every so often we get a news story around here, about a woman getting knocked up and taking her maternity leave. Somehow they always manage to get a promotion to some manager/better paid position before going on leave. Then the company has to find a replacement and is "obligated" to give her position back when she returns...
The story is usually the background for a lawsuit, where the woman contests her firing. and the company saying that she knew she was pregnant and deliberately took the position when she knew she would not be able to do the work.
Meetings - Sitting around trading versions of events mostly of no consequence to your personal endeavors.
Why would women like this? shocked pikachu
The only time I enjoy meetings is when I can point out how literally everyone else fucked up and ignored when I literally told them this was going to happen.
Everything else is a waste of time, and can be done via email in my experience. But I know a lot of people (in general, not just at my job) who refuse to read emails and do their job unless there's a meeting where they get held to the fire directly.
Meetings should be short and and precise. A general meeting where a team of 10 or less people updating what they are working on or have accomplished should not take more than 13 minutes tops. ideally 10 or less but I give 3 for the general good morning how is everyone doing kind of small talk
That meeting could be an email and is still not important unless I actually need to know about the rest of the team's progress on a specific process. If that's the case then we're probably collaborating on something and I'm already in contact with them independent of some dumb meeting, so the meeting is still just going to get in the way of me being productive most of the time.
Should be an email. The problem is you end up with people who also never send the update email. So if you have a team of people who do that great. I’ve worked on teams where everyone is great at their job, but they are all focused on their tasks and never update their tasks as completed leaving the manager unsure where our progress is on milestones causing problems for them when it comes to task planning and scheduling. So if I have to have a meeting, 1 10 minute meeting a week isn’t a bad trade off.
If something is actually important then someone will show up at my desk. It doesn't require a meeting, it just requires actual human interaction, something which everyone in the modern era seems to be allergic to.
Fair enough if that's your circumstance. I would question the sensibility of having teammates that aren't all in the same office, but that's just me bloviating about my own organizational philosophy.
This is so disgusting, and this girl's voice and accent are so obnoxious. The whole video is a gynobrag hashtag blessed.
I know middle schoolers that do more work than she does.
This video once again proves why women in the workplace was a society ending mistake.
I honestly don’t care if women want to work, forcing men to accommodate them or lose their business was one of the most tyrannical frauds ever perpetrated by the US government. If women wanted to build their own businesses and compete and/or integrate in companies that would take them fine. That a choice, demanding we have x percentage of women when the majority of female candidates only want administrative positions created the current hellscape we exist in.
And it'll be a valuable learning experience
Damn straight. Women have been "liberated" to be treated as lapdogs.
What's the alternative? Being stuck carrying their dead weight for the rest of our lives?
Give them to Jeff Bezos.
"Having to carry a random woman at the workplace while receiving half of the salary" vs "Having to carry a woman I like while receiving full salary"
Yeah, I'd chose the 2nd one.
I choose the obvious third option. "Not having to carry a woman at all."
We called them Amazon Warrior Princesses back in Seattle.
I fully believe that in order to live like this, you have to be a sociopath. To spend your days uselessly drinking vegan smoothies in an ostentatious monument to excess and getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and not feel bad about it, you have to have neither a soul nor the ability to feel any emotion, unless narcissism counts as an emotion.
Now in order to not only not feel bad but to brag about it, that just makes you subhuman. Lower than shit. She's everything wrong with modern society.
The parasite class have no souls, that much is clear. Nor morals. No adult with either of those things would choose to be a leech.
"I've seen the future, you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sittin' around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake singing "I'm an Oscar-Meyer Wiener". - Edgar Friendly "Demolition Man"
Have a joy-joy day
One of those rare movies that accurately predicts many aspects of the future.
Damn well-said.
This mentality is cultivated in our public schools where everyone's a winner, the stupidest are put forward as exemplary, you get strokes for being the right sex and/or color, and narcissism is the ruling ethos.
It is made worse by the envy generated by consumer culture, which creates the mindset "I deserve that" instead of "how can I earn that?"
Every woman in those "my day as a ____ employee" has the same voice and accent. And in each of those videos you can even hear the smugness combined with the contempt for normal human beings struggling with normal work.
Those people are really NPCs, holy shit.
And all that for an average salary of around 200k.
I'm confused. Where's the "work" part of the workday?
I think it was those 3 meetings that she counted as work
I’m sure there’s a small percentage that actually work somewhere. Probably don’t get invited to that office.
That's how 80% of companies in America are. They produce nothing.
It's a scary combo. Obviously it's attractive to work for such a company, and today the apparatus actually holds them in a higher regard than say, a trucking company.
It's collapsing our economy.
Would explain a lot. Especially Dorsey's regret at what it became. Is it possible they usurped him from below, using their typical in-group bias?
It fills me with rage to know that I bust my ass every day loading trucks, coming home with back pain and bruises...and this bitch is sitting there drinking Starbucks and playing foosball, while going to "meetings" where she probably doesn't contribute anything useful.
And she probably makes five times my wages.
This woman's career is a social club, not a workplace. She's just managed to luck out and get paid to run her social life.
Get your popcorn. The shrieking meltdowns are going to be epic and entertaining. Musk is going to cut through their sad lives like a hot knife through butter.
Just back the dumptruck up to the entrance and onload the whole lot and send them back to the whore factory for grinding down for dog food.
I didn't see a single man in that entire video. I wonder what the employee ratio is like.
The men are in dimly lit cramped closets in the basement doing all the work.
i think there was a man in the lunch line
He was the server.
One of the few that won't lose his job. You know, because he's actually doing something.
Hopefully Musk doesn't fire him...
The Lotus eaters did a podcast on one like this for linked in a while back.
Rest assured the evidence suggests it's a marketing advertisement to apply to these places. This is not an actual day. Notice how she said "ended my trip"
I'm almost 100% convinced those videos are deliberately designed to piss you off.
This is what the people on Reddit's "antiwork" expect their $15 an hour job to be like.
This will be my life after the glorious Communist revolution. <3
They need to set fire to 75% of the fucking building.
edit: THIS IS A JOKE! DO NOT SET FIRE TO ANYTHING!
Take a Tums.
That's not a job, that's a daycare.
Wine on tap. Rofl.
all women, i notice.
I can sort of see why they're trying so hard to keep their jobs. This is really cushy and nice.
Then I think about how it's a trick. The company doesn't want you to leave. They want you there all day, and even sleep there. The cushion is a trick for a prison, and the ladies haven't figured it out yet.
I know someone very well that works at a major tech firm that has amenities like this. On their new employee orientation it was encouraged that you take advantage of these perks, but to only use them within reason. Like on your 10-15 minute breaks or lunch not spend your whole day using them. And that those found using them more than working would need to be updating their resumes because you will be fired. I don’t know what the women who make these kind of videos do. But I can’t imagine their peers respect them at all if this really is a day in the life of their time at work and not a recruiting video.
What would you say you do here?