Eh, free market is give and take. It's totally warped now with unemployment, but I have no problem with someone asking for more money for anything. Everything is negotiable. It always amuses me when people complain about the buyer OR the seller side of a transaction.
But the stupid thing here is the government giving people money to stay home.
The dumbass asking for a late start was either trolling or doesn't know how "jobs" work.
I think I was as much taken aback by the quality of their negotiation tactics. I guess much can't be expected from people whose ambition consists of holding a sign.
Things like "Is the pay negotiable?", "Are the hours flexible?", "Can you assist with transportation?". Yeah they may not get the job but at least sound like they have a brain. They might lead to some negotiation, I've actually had a job in the past where the guy with the work truck picked me up on his way.
What we get instead "How the fuck do I get to and from work then?" and "I can't because I hang out with friends and that's too early."
They have to start with presenting themselves as adults, and that was something I learned when I was trying to get a job bussing tables as a 15 year old.
It also appears by glancing at the comments on this post, that I've unintentionally co-opted it into a soliloquy of rants on my thoughts about lazy people.
They have to start with presenting themselves as adults
They probably think they’re doing that. Social Media is awash with hiring or salary negotiation advice that’s really only valid if you’re like a highly qualified engineering grad and young autists have to learn that somewhere.
Sad as it is you could be right. If they've never been given any idea on how to present themselves and have to find it on YouTube, then it could be quite true they have no idea otherwise.
It's formerly a parent's job to teach their kids basic life skills including negotiation. But, you know, parents want to be their kid's friend instead of an authority figure.
It's formerly a father's job to teach their kids basic life skills including negotiation. But, you know, mothers want to be their kid~~'~~s friend instead of an authority figureadults.
Pretty much. When it's an employers' market companies certainly will take advantage of that fact. An employer isn't entitled to employees any more than an employee is entitled to a job. And if no one wants to work before 11am then guess what? You aren't doing any work before 11am. Bitch and moan about it all you want, but that's reality.
That is exactly the problem though, it is that the negotion is completely unfair now because of the government, I think that is what most people are complaining about. That is why I am annoyed with employees asking for more, they are exploiting the system and they know it.
The government is literally paying people to just stay home. And keep in mind in some cases these people didn't even lose jobs in the first place, in Oregon where I moved from last year, people literally applied not even having a job, many students, and still got unemployment approved. Like wtf, its just printing money for the sake of printing money at this point.
A couple of replies to my post in different threads, sure it’s whatever, but at this point you are obsessed with me dude. I’m not gonna reply to you any more. Hope you jerked off enough because whatever kink you get off of me is done.
You know what, I say we do an exchange program. We will take people from Mexico or Central America to come here to do work along with long term opportunity for the good ones. In exchange we send these entitled brats along with a removal of their citizenship and right to return. I'm not sure it would be worse.
In realistic terms, I'm just mindblown. While I'm not sure I'd want to hold a sign all day, I presume they are done with school and I had actual skills at that age. I'd have taken it over unemployment though. I was absolutely thrilled to have a warehouse job in high school where I worked in whatever weather with no heat or AC and at times it was legit hard work. I still considered it the best job among any of my friends. No uniforms, gross food, weekends, consistent pay and hours, etc. That $100/week I got was my freedom.
We will take people from Mexico or Central America to come here to do work along with long term opportunity for the good ones
How about "no". That is the story of California for the past 60 years, and look where it's gotten them.
If you want to talk about "entitlement", I consider it "entitled" for an employer to expect there always be a large pool of workers willing to work on terms he dictates without any negotiation or concessions on the part of the employer. And if that pool doesn't exist, I consider it "entitled" for an employer to think he can just replace the labor pool with a more complaint/desperate one.
Yes workers should strive to do their job to the best of their ability and act respectfully and honorably and all that. But this idea that you have to take whatever an employer condescends to offer you and be grateful for the privilege isn't a particularly healthy attitude either. This is a business transaction that either party can walk away from at any time and for any reason.
The first comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek and perhaps didn't come off as such. Not that I think we've ever tried a one-for-one trade, nor would that ever work logistically. So it's totally unrealistic and out by default.
I said in another comment that I'm more appalled by their apparent lack of any sort of discretion in their negotiation tactics. I also specifically didn't call out the sign on bonus in that comment, because while I think that's asinine for the job, perhaps it's what's required for the market to bear. I don't have the slightest issue with someone negotiating, I've turned down what seemed like great opportunities myself because it felt like a bad fit or an overly controlling environment I'd be getting in to.
I do know from these sad negotiations, all I see are red flags telling me there's no chance in hell I can count on any of these people to show up on time and consistently. If this were my business I'd raise the pay before I'd hire any of these turds, as it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to pay a reliable person more than to burn money doing nothing because my sign holder was out late and promised he'd show up after he got his bonus. If I can't afford it, then I guess I'm choosing between standing out there and holding the damn sign myself or cutting losses and dealing with contract breach costs and reputation hits.
Yeah I'm not defending this particular guy. And raising the pay would certainly be a hell of a lot more productive use of the boss's time than complaining on the internet. Or tell the foreman "schedule one more road worker than you need and put them on rotating 'sign holding' duty, and we'll still pay him normal"
I just don't think there's a hero and a villain in this particular story.
It goes both ways. Businesses (especially restaurants) are begging for workers right now in my area. But I know two college graduates with tech degrees and every job they apply for wants 10 years experience for entry level salary.
I'm with you on this. It's supply and demand of a free market. You know except for the biden checks that fuck everything up. But businesses need employees and it's a seller's markert right now. My company just bumped everyone $15k a year more for retention.
The texts shown are absurd but if this is what you get at $16 an hour maybe it's time to list the job for $17 an hour. And then more until they find a qualified candidate. As my old manager used to say if you pay the minimum expect the minimum.
I don’t like it but a societal collapse is the only way these morons will learn that the world is still real and food and shelter isn’t provided by magical government bureaucrats.
The problem is if society collapses these wastes of space will be EXACTLY who they keep afloat, since they need the stupidest / easiest to manipulate on their side.
They will go after the educated hardest. Elites don't want free thinkers they want sheep.
My first job was landscaping and house rehabbing getting paid under the table 10-12 bucks an hour. Bought my own tv and Xbox with it, my first cellphone, and many other odds and ends. Working summers between football and rugby financed my gaming habits, gave me great networking connections that I still have today, and showed me how great capitalism can be when the government doesn’t shove their grubby mitts on my income.
If its the government we are talking about, then you build the stand and lease it to the government for $16/hour. All you have to do otherwise is figure out a way to say you're a minority or woman business and give a regular donation to the campaign of whoever makes the decision.
I've held signs. It can be boring, it can also be complicated if you've got a 4 or 5 way intersection. It is important and risky, because the safety of the other workers depends on the vehicles going through the work site safety. Some companies mainly hire older and more responsible people for traffic control for this reason.
My radical left cousins moved from Seattle to Asheville when they no longer could afford Seattle. They didn’t have the trust funds their far left friends did.
When employers push crap like wearing masks for hours, CRT struggle sessions, and pressure to vaxx, then I do not blame one single person for taking the government check and opting out of this nonsense as much possible. Some employers deserve a labor boycott.
For the most braindead doorstop job ever if you are not paying at least $20 an hour right now.
Yep. We're currently hemorrhaging production workers right now. Can't back fill any of the positions. A company across the street increased the starting pay to $20/hr. Guess where people are going?
I warned my own employer about that. I told them, explicitly, the dangers of inflation. I told them that a different competitor was going to make $20 /hr the starting wage, 0 experience, entry level.
They were shocked and actually didn't believe me.
I've been trying to warn them that shit's going sideways.
When I started, my boss said (before covid) "there's not going to be a recession". He's starting to slowly come around to realize that I'm not crazy.
Because so few people are willing to do any work (gubmint handing out free money perpetually without having to actually apply for work) so to even convince people to apply, places even like Wawa are giving out $500 sign on bonuses to cashiers. I'm in Florida and I see "sign on bonus" everywhere I see work advertised. NC is probably more liberal, so I imagine its worse there.
You don’t need a car for a job. Bikes, buses, or even walking. I walked exactly 2.2 miles each way to work minimum wage at a toy store before I had a car and had to leave like an hour in advance. It was super satisfying once I could buy my own car though!
I think the problem is people feel like they are entitled to convenience. The world doesn’t care about me or anyone. The world is a harsh place. Nobody owes me or anyone anything.
The text messages mention that this job requires a car.
I made this point in another comment - why would you take a low paying job that requires a car, when you can usually easily find one that you can walk to an avoid spending money on a car?
I think the problem is people feel like they are entitled to convenience. The world doesn’t care about me or anyone. The world is a harsh place. Nobody owes me or anyone anything.
I walked to a job in high school but no matter where I got employers feel entitled to certain things that often come with driving to work - your hair looking fine, not showing up soaked with water because it was raining, and they never seem to have anywhere to put the large amount of clothing it would take to walk to work outside in a minnesota winter.
No where in any of the texts does the employer mention that a vehicle is required to do the job. The job actually requires the person to remain stationary with access to an air conditioned booth to facilitate other traffic in and out of the site.
The car is only mentioned by the applicant assuming that in this clown world employers provide cars, when the employer states they do not provide a car, the applicant asks how he will get to work, to which the employer is speechless.
As far as getting a job you can get to without needing a car while you don’t have a car, we agree.
As far as the last bit I don’t quite understand. It’s completely possible to walk in the snow or rain and not look disheveled when you arrive. Ive walked in the rain or snow plenty of times in my life, including that job I referenced earlier. I just wear boots and a jacket.
Although what are you gonna say next? “How can you afford boots and a jacket if you don’t have a job?” that’s what your gonna say next isn’t it?
The fact any of these are considered barriers to people today is kind of shocking to me honestly.
It's a road construction job where the guy applying clearly believes he needs a car to get to work.
It's road construction dude. He's not applying at businesses near where he lives.
Although what are you gonna say next? “How can you afford boots and a jacket if you don’t have a job?” that’s what your gonna say next isn’t it?
Lol no kinda the opposite...had to deal with numerous of those "cars are evil, you can just sell your car and bike / bus everywhere" people. Probably my fault - in retrospect - that I spent so much time thinking about and debating the topic.
In the end I realized that "duh" living without a car wasn't really plausible for the average person like myself.
Guess I carry about how cranky I am about that onto other similar seeming discussions.
If $16 were ones only option for obtaining money to stay alive, they would be foolish to not suck it up and do that until they got on their feet.
I worked for that kind of money back when I was a kid. And it was how I survived to start my businesses.
The average rent for a studio apartment in X is $1,720.
4 weeks of 40 hours would net you $2560, and taxes would presumably be stolen out of that. For a person not living with their parents, it would be difficult to sustain themselves on such a low wage.
I realize it's easy to look back and be all "back in my day..." but when I made $12/hr (which was a good rate for a soft young man at the time, though not quite construction money) I shared a room with a friend. Between 7 friends and I we rented a 4BR house.
I am genuinely sympathetic to the current generation, however. That house probably rents for 7 or 8 grand a month now, and wages haven't gone up that much.
Yup, average apartment rent now is a thousand dollars more than I used to pay for a 4000 square foot house. Despite the ancient age of the "things are going to hell!" meme, it really does seem like we're in vertical spike territory.
It absolutely has to do with the location. In my neck of the woods, a lot of people are offering sign-ons, but you need to work for a certain amount of time before you get the bonus so that people cant game it. Additionally, $16/hr would be considering very good money (its about $3/hr more than I make working a reasonably skilled job). And $27/hr would be considered EXTREMELY good money. We are talking "very few jobs above you" level money. You need to be in a highly skilled job to even get close to that kind of money (ie: the welders at a local manufacturing plant make between $18/hr-$24/hr, but also only work 32 hr. per week)
The copium is strong in the tweet thread. Throwing accusations around when they bring nothing to the table.
If you don't have a skills or experience but the only value you have is punctuality & being reliable, you better work to those strengths.
Hey want an entry level job it comes with entry level compensation.
I honestly am taken aback by hiring personnel that feel so entitled to labor at their set rate. Yeah, the kids weren't be very professional about their requests but if the market makes $16/hr undesirable, then you have to work around that fact.
Yes, I understand that a state-controlled economy has make market conditions the way they are now but I doubt the contractors have been complaining about government bloat up until they were on the wrong end of things.
Capitalism is a two way street. Right now workers have some power and employers are losing their minds and doing everything in their power to shift the blame anywhere but wages being too low.
The government is paying people not to work. Massive corporations are lobbying for lockdowns that will destroy rival businesses.
This isn't capitalism. This is corporate tyranny. This is leftists employing the Cloward-Piven strategy to force a centrally controlled economy.
Also, wages are too low because the money printer is set to turbo. Lazy socialists are waiting it out, as always. Elites are moving everything into land and housing. Everyone with hard-earned savings, the working/middle class, is just watching their money burn.
No, but really, if you make a line of 5 people on a Marine Corps base, there will be a line of 30 people in an hour.
The first question you should ask when you see a line is: "how much trouble am I going to be in for not being in that line?" Followed by: "Is anyone else I know in that line?" Not "what is the line for?", not "did I miss something?".
Holding a sign take no skill at all, hence the minimal pay.
The first message exchange is reasonable, logical, and straightforward.
$15/hour is the effective current minimum wage - aka what you can get almost anywhere.
This job has the additional requirement of owning a car (expensive) but pays the same.
Why would it make sense to take this job that pays effectively less than other jobs?
He's right about you: you're a fuckwitted Leftist who opposes free markets and human liberty. We already understand that you know they exist, you just oppose them.
Eh, free market is give and take. It's totally warped now with unemployment, but I have no problem with someone asking for more money for anything. Everything is negotiable. It always amuses me when people complain about the buyer OR the seller side of a transaction.
But the stupid thing here is the government giving people money to stay home.
The dumbass asking for a late start was either trolling or doesn't know how "jobs" work.
I think I was as much taken aback by the quality of their negotiation tactics. I guess much can't be expected from people whose ambition consists of holding a sign.
Things like "Is the pay negotiable?", "Are the hours flexible?", "Can you assist with transportation?". Yeah they may not get the job but at least sound like they have a brain. They might lead to some negotiation, I've actually had a job in the past where the guy with the work truck picked me up on his way.
What we get instead "How the fuck do I get to and from work then?" and "I can't because I hang out with friends and that's too early."
They have to start with presenting themselves as adults, and that was something I learned when I was trying to get a job bussing tables as a 15 year old.
"Bro imma need a two hour lunch break to go home and smoke a bowl. It helps me relax and get through the day. Thats not gonna be a problem right?"
"Also do you drug test?"
Literally our enemies right now, to a lot of us.
It really is clown world isn't it?
It also appears by glancing at the comments on this post, that I've unintentionally co-opted it into a soliloquy of rants on my thoughts about lazy people.
They probably think they’re doing that. Social Media is awash with hiring or salary negotiation advice that’s really only valid if you’re like a highly qualified engineering grad and young autists have to learn that somewhere.
Sad as it is you could be right. If they've never been given any idea on how to present themselves and have to find it on YouTube, then it could be quite true they have no idea otherwise.
It's formerly a parent's job to teach their kids basic life skills including negotiation. But, you know, parents want to be their kid's friend instead of an authority figure.
Yeah, I don't have an issue with negotiating terms of employment, it's the way they are doing it that is doomed to failure.
Pretty much. When it's an employers' market companies certainly will take advantage of that fact. An employer isn't entitled to employees any more than an employee is entitled to a job. And if no one wants to work before 11am then guess what? You aren't doing any work before 11am. Bitch and moan about it all you want, but that's reality.
Yeah, it's not the free market with these Biden bucks.
Have road construction companies traditionally been the loudest voice speaking out against bloat and government waste?
That is exactly the problem though, it is that the negotion is completely unfair now because of the government, I think that is what most people are complaining about. That is why I am annoyed with employees asking for more, they are exploiting the system and they know it.
The government is literally paying people to just stay home. And keep in mind in some cases these people didn't even lose jobs in the first place, in Oregon where I moved from last year, people literally applied not even having a job, many students, and still got unemployment approved. Like wtf, its just printing money for the sake of printing money at this point.
Two things are at record highs:
Seems like everyone was moving up. Except the employees doing the actual work?
A couple of replies to my post in different threads, sure it’s whatever, but at this point you are obsessed with me dude. I’m not gonna reply to you any more. Hope you jerked off enough because whatever kink you get off of me is done.
I wasn't even looking at your username. It's fine to stop responding.
You know what, I say we do an exchange program. We will take people from Mexico or Central America to come here to do work along with long term opportunity for the good ones. In exchange we send these entitled brats along with a removal of their citizenship and right to return. I'm not sure it would be worse.
In realistic terms, I'm just mindblown. While I'm not sure I'd want to hold a sign all day, I presume they are done with school and I had actual skills at that age. I'd have taken it over unemployment though. I was absolutely thrilled to have a warehouse job in high school where I worked in whatever weather with no heat or AC and at times it was legit hard work. I still considered it the best job among any of my friends. No uniforms, gross food, weekends, consistent pay and hours, etc. That $100/week I got was my freedom.
How about "no". That is the story of California for the past 60 years, and look where it's gotten them.
If you want to talk about "entitlement", I consider it "entitled" for an employer to expect there always be a large pool of workers willing to work on terms he dictates without any negotiation or concessions on the part of the employer. And if that pool doesn't exist, I consider it "entitled" for an employer to think he can just replace the labor pool with a more complaint/desperate one.
Yes workers should strive to do their job to the best of their ability and act respectfully and honorably and all that. But this idea that you have to take whatever an employer condescends to offer you and be grateful for the privilege isn't a particularly healthy attitude either. This is a business transaction that either party can walk away from at any time and for any reason.
The first comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek and perhaps didn't come off as such. Not that I think we've ever tried a one-for-one trade, nor would that ever work logistically. So it's totally unrealistic and out by default.
I said in another comment that I'm more appalled by their apparent lack of any sort of discretion in their negotiation tactics. I also specifically didn't call out the sign on bonus in that comment, because while I think that's asinine for the job, perhaps it's what's required for the market to bear. I don't have the slightest issue with someone negotiating, I've turned down what seemed like great opportunities myself because it felt like a bad fit or an overly controlling environment I'd be getting in to.
I do know from these sad negotiations, all I see are red flags telling me there's no chance in hell I can count on any of these people to show up on time and consistently. If this were my business I'd raise the pay before I'd hire any of these turds, as it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to pay a reliable person more than to burn money doing nothing because my sign holder was out late and promised he'd show up after he got his bonus. If I can't afford it, then I guess I'm choosing between standing out there and holding the damn sign myself or cutting losses and dealing with contract breach costs and reputation hits.
Yeah I'm not defending this particular guy. And raising the pay would certainly be a hell of a lot more productive use of the boss's time than complaining on the internet. Or tell the foreman "schedule one more road worker than you need and put them on rotating 'sign holding' duty, and we'll still pay him normal"
I just don't think there's a hero and a villain in this particular story.
It goes both ways. Businesses (especially restaurants) are begging for workers right now in my area. But I know two college graduates with tech degrees and every job they apply for wants 10 years experience for entry level salary.
I'm with you on this. It's supply and demand of a free market. You know except for the biden checks that fuck everything up. But businesses need employees and it's a seller's markert right now. My company just bumped everyone $15k a year more for retention.
The texts shown are absurd but if this is what you get at $16 an hour maybe it's time to list the job for $17 an hour. And then more until they find a qualified candidate. As my old manager used to say if you pay the minimum expect the minimum.
A culling is in order.
I don’t like it but a societal collapse is the only way these morons will learn that the world is still real and food and shelter isn’t provided by magical government bureaucrats.
The problem is if society collapses these wastes of space will be EXACTLY who they keep afloat, since they need the stupidest / easiest to manipulate on their side.
They will go after the educated hardest. Elites don't want free thinkers they want sheep.
My first job was landscaping and house rehabbing getting paid under the table 10-12 bucks an hour. Bought my own tv and Xbox with it, my first cellphone, and many other odds and ends. Working summers between football and rugby financed my gaming habits, gave me great networking connections that I still have today, and showed me how great capitalism can be when the government doesn’t shove their grubby mitts on my income.
I wouldn't take a $16/hour job to hold a sign if I had no qualifications, because I'd be bored to tears.
I could build them a stand that rotates, wonder how many millions that would save the government.
If its the government we are talking about, then you build the stand and lease it to the government for $16/hour. All you have to do otherwise is figure out a way to say you're a minority or woman business and give a regular donation to the campaign of whoever makes the decision.
Washington has started using these portable traffic lights in remote locations where they have to be operational 24/7.
I've held signs. It can be boring, it can also be complicated if you've got a 4 or 5 way intersection. It is important and risky, because the safety of the other workers depends on the vehicles going through the work site safety. Some companies mainly hire older and more responsible people for traffic control for this reason.
I was that way when I was younger.
20 years of the corporate world and corporate politics - including the last few years of shit-show...just standing around sounds really nice now...
My radical left cousins moved from Seattle to Asheville when they no longer could afford Seattle. They didn’t have the trust funds their far left friends did.
When employers push crap like wearing masks for hours, CRT struggle sessions, and pressure to vaxx, then I do not blame one single person for taking the government check and opting out of this nonsense as much possible. Some employers deserve a labor boycott.
Yep. We're currently hemorrhaging production workers right now. Can't back fill any of the positions. A company across the street increased the starting pay to $20/hr. Guess where people are going?
I warned my own employer about that. I told them, explicitly, the dangers of inflation. I told them that a different competitor was going to make $20 /hr the starting wage, 0 experience, entry level.
They were shocked and actually didn't believe me.
I've been trying to warn them that shit's going sideways.
When I started, my boss said (before covid) "there's not going to be a recession". He's starting to slowly come around to realize that I'm not crazy.
The sign on bonus bullshit is legit, sadly.
Because so few people are willing to do any work (gubmint handing out free money perpetually without having to actually apply for work) so to even convince people to apply, places even like Wawa are giving out $500 sign on bonuses to cashiers. I'm in Florida and I see "sign on bonus" everywhere I see work advertised. NC is probably more liberal, so I imagine its worse there.
^ This is the problem with the right-wing narrative - it's the same divide and conquer as on the left but more obvious.
It's a simple thing.
1. You need a car to get to the job.
2. Buying a car is costly.
3. The job only pays $15-$16/hour.
You can't take a job you can't get to.
You don’t need a car for a job. Bikes, buses, or even walking. I walked exactly 2.2 miles each way to work minimum wage at a toy store before I had a car and had to leave like an hour in advance. It was super satisfying once I could buy my own car though!
I think the problem is people feel like they are entitled to convenience. The world doesn’t care about me or anyone. The world is a harsh place. Nobody owes me or anyone anything.
The text messages mention that this job requires a car.
I made this point in another comment - why would you take a low paying job that requires a car, when you can usually easily find one that you can walk to an avoid spending money on a car?
I walked to a job in high school but no matter where I got employers feel entitled to certain things that often come with driving to work - your hair looking fine, not showing up soaked with water because it was raining, and they never seem to have anywhere to put the large amount of clothing it would take to walk to work outside in a minnesota winter.
No where in any of the texts does the employer mention that a vehicle is required to do the job. The job actually requires the person to remain stationary with access to an air conditioned booth to facilitate other traffic in and out of the site.
The car is only mentioned by the applicant assuming that in this clown world employers provide cars, when the employer states they do not provide a car, the applicant asks how he will get to work, to which the employer is speechless.
As far as getting a job you can get to without needing a car while you don’t have a car, we agree.
As far as the last bit I don’t quite understand. It’s completely possible to walk in the snow or rain and not look disheveled when you arrive. Ive walked in the rain or snow plenty of times in my life, including that job I referenced earlier. I just wear boots and a jacket.
Although what are you gonna say next? “How can you afford boots and a jacket if you don’t have a job?” that’s what your gonna say next isn’t it?
The fact any of these are considered barriers to people today is kind of shocking to me honestly.
It's a road construction job where the guy applying clearly believes he needs a car to get to work.
It's road construction dude. He's not applying at businesses near where he lives.
Lol no kinda the opposite...had to deal with numerous of those "cars are evil, you can just sell your car and bike / bus everywhere" people. Probably my fault - in retrospect - that I spent so much time thinking about and debating the topic.
In the end I realized that "duh" living without a car wasn't really plausible for the average person like myself.
Guess I carry about how cranky I am about that onto other similar seeming discussions.
If $16 were ones only option for obtaining money to stay alive, they would be foolish to not suck it up and do that until they got on their feet.
I worked for that kind of money back when I was a kid. And it was how I survived to start my businesses.
4 weeks of 40 hours would net you $2560, and taxes would presumably be stolen out of that. For a person not living with their parents, it would be difficult to sustain themselves on such a low wage.
I realize it's easy to look back and be all "back in my day..." but when I made $12/hr (which was a good rate for a soft young man at the time, though not quite construction money) I shared a room with a friend. Between 7 friends and I we rented a 4BR house.
I am genuinely sympathetic to the current generation, however. That house probably rents for 7 or 8 grand a month now, and wages haven't gone up that much.
Yup, average apartment rent now is a thousand dollars more than I used to pay for a 4000 square foot house. Despite the ancient age of the "things are going to hell!" meme, it really does seem like we're in vertical spike territory.
I think this might have to do with the location. No one that I know gives a sign on bonus. For anything. Ever.
Also in my area, tons of people doing Uber, Uber Eats, Door Dash, blah blah blah.
Actually, one of the worst things is that if you work hard, and work right, those can pay more than a $16 /hr job.
It absolutely has to do with the location. In my neck of the woods, a lot of people are offering sign-ons, but you need to work for a certain amount of time before you get the bonus so that people cant game it. Additionally, $16/hr would be considering very good money (its about $3/hr more than I make working a reasonably skilled job). And $27/hr would be considered EXTREMELY good money. We are talking "very few jobs above you" level money. You need to be in a highly skilled job to even get close to that kind of money (ie: the welders at a local manufacturing plant make between $18/hr-$24/hr, but also only work 32 hr. per week)
I've never heard of a "sign on bonus" until now.
The copium is strong in the tweet thread. Throwing accusations around when they bring nothing to the table.
If you don't have a skills or experience but the only value you have is punctuality & being reliable, you better work to those strengths.
Hey want an entry level job it comes with entry level compensation.
I honestly am taken aback by hiring personnel that feel so entitled to labor at their set rate. Yeah, the kids weren't be very professional about their requests but if the market makes $16/hr undesirable, then you have to work around that fact.
Yes, I understand that a state-controlled economy has make market conditions the way they are now but I doubt the contractors have been complaining about government bloat up until they were on the wrong end of things.
Capitalism is a two way street. Right now workers have some power and employers are losing their minds and doing everything in their power to shift the blame anywhere but wages being too low.
The government is paying people not to work. Massive corporations are lobbying for lockdowns that will destroy rival businesses.
This isn't capitalism. This is corporate tyranny. This is leftists employing the Cloward-Piven strategy to force a centrally controlled economy.
Also, wages are too low because the money printer is set to turbo. Lazy socialists are waiting it out, as always. Elites are moving everything into land and housing. Everyone with hard-earned savings, the working/middle class, is just watching their money burn.
Unemployment is at 5% bud, what the fuck are you even talking about...
If you actually believe this, you're an actual idiot.
Standing around doing nothing in the ocean.
No, but really, if you make a line of 5 people on a Marine Corps base, there will be a line of 30 people in an hour.
The first question you should ask when you see a line is: "how much trouble am I going to be in for not being in that line?" Followed by: "Is anyone else I know in that line?" Not "what is the line for?", not "did I miss something?".
The first message exchange is reasonable, logical, and straightforward.
$15/hour is the effective current minimum wage - aka what you can get almost anywhere.
This job has the additional requirement of owning a car (expensive) but pays the same.
Why would it make sense to take this job that pays effectively less than other jobs?
Oh look, someone with a reasonable opinion.
You’re part of the problem and you’ll die without ever coming to terms with it.
Don't you have to go fluff your girlfriend's bull instead of shitposting here?
Why do you hate capitalism so much?
says the communist faggot that doesn't even believe in capitalism.
Nice one retard.
No, he's right, you're a communist faggot that doesn't believe in Capitalism.
Hey white knight. Really cool of you to jump in to defend your buddy there. Really gay too, but hey, you do you.
I don’t believe in Santa Claus or the Easter bunny, but I assure you, capitalism is very real.
He's right about you: you're a fuckwitted Leftist who opposes free markets and human liberty. We already understand that you know they exist, you just oppose them.
Cool.
dilate, tranny.