When someone reveals their hatred of you to you, you aren’t going to magically forget about it when they start “spontaneously” treating you better (in order to get your money again). These “return to form” superhero movies are still being made by the same leftist feminist demons who openly and ruthlessly denigrated their white/male audience for the last 5+ years. These big brands are tainted now. They can’t just flip a switch and expect their battered former fans to come crawling back.
Also, Vanessa Kirby hit the wall hard. I think it has something to do with early life plastic surgery. She always looked very artificial. Now it’s like watching the migration of landmasses across the earth’s surface. Everything is shifting around unevenly. Soon we won’t even recognize the territory.
Their primary villain is Doctor Doom, so since the next Avengers movies are going to be revolving around him as the main villain, they kind of have to bring them in. I think that the existence of Marvel Rivals, the upcoming ArcSys Marvel fighting game and more proves that there is still a massive audience for Marvel content, they just can't fuck up their biggest cash cow anymore than they already have.
There’s a market for Marvel characters in the hands of anyone other than Disney. This is not something that Disney can leverage directly. They need to start licensing the Marvel IPs out to other movie studios.
There are a number of big Thanos level baddies like Korvac and Onslaught but whoever is running the MCU is too focused on pushing anti White policies and pedophilia in their movies.
I doubt anyone working on the MCU now has ever heard of Korvac. Onslaught is possible but only because of how much Xavier and Magneto play into it. I doubt the same groups would know who Nate Grey is, let alone that Franklin also played a big part in Onslaught originally as this new FF movie is probably the first time these parasites have ever heard of any of Reed and Sue's children.
Doom is possible for him to be a big bad- just send a Doombot for a couple movies only to reveal he couldn't even be bothered. They could have done great shit with Ultron too- he keeps getting away and improving himself but they screwed that one up too.
They could even bring back Kane, who was my choice for the next big bad because he's been a bunch of different bad guys. Just have him go back in time or the future and change himself drastically so he doesn't even look the same.
The idea of Kang as a black man is ridiculous as it is- if he goes back in time and sees black being always getting shit on, why become one when it's only going to make things harder? Why not go back in time and change history so it isn't so?
Good villains are required to have good heroes.
Batman & Spiderman have villains as memorable as they themselves are, popular too! Superman's villains are bloody boring.
FF fought Namor (The Sub Mariner) in #4 of the comic, and Doctor Doom in #5. Galactus in #48. All in all their enemies ranged from really interesting to downright generic.
Batman takes the cake. Comic book people can all rattle off some Spiderman villains, but even normies can name half a dozen Batman villains. They are all memorable. Joker, Riddler, two face, penguin, cat woman, poison ivy, Mr freeze, and those are the ones anyone can name. His B line is still super memorable, scare crow, bane, Clayface, Harley Quinn, killer croc, raz aghul.
My favourite Brainiac is always going to be the DCAU version where he was formerly the Kryptonian central computer that did a runner when the planet was going to explode and didn't tell anyone. Smallville kind of did something similar when James Marsters/Spike from Buffy played the character so it wasn't too bad, but I can never get behind the other versions that are some random data collector or something else. Tying him to much to Superman makes him a far more intimate threat rather than "Generic world destroyed of the week #3781".
As does Doomsday at times. In some versions he's a CADMUS altered clone of Superman, in another he's an Apokolips altered clone of Superman, while in others he's something else entirely and still just as near unkillable that becomes immune to whatever defeated/killed him last time.
Batman and Spider-Man are generally considered to have the two best rogues galleries in superhero fiction, with maybe The Flash running a distant second. They aren't exactly a fair standard. Superman does have iconic villains—there's Lex Luthor, obviously, and he's so popular and iconic that he even shows up referentially in tons of other heroes' comics, but there's also Bizarro and Zod for two very different takes on the "evil Superman," there's Brainiac... even Darkseid is arguably a "Superman villain," although not as exclusively so.
Maybe you just don't like Superman? That's perfectly fine, but it's not like he's got nothing going on. And he's still among the most popular superheroes, so I'm honestly not even sure why you took the sideswipe at him. Saying "Superheroes need good villains, but one of the most recognized superheroes in the world has bad villains" isn't exactly a compelling argument.
Most superheroes have a lot of non-iconic villains. Everyone knows the Green Goblin and Doc Ock, fewer know of... White Rabbit? Huh, there was a whole gang of animal-themed villains called the Menagerie that were duds. For every Vulture or Rhino, there was a Walrus or Squid that never became popular.
Don't worry, they can still do Black Cat horribly and race swap Felicia just like has happened in the current Ultimate Spider-Man so that's she's actually black. Or at least half black since her dad is still the original white guy.
Oh and because that comic is set 10-20 or so years ahead with an aged up Peter it's his son who is hooking up with Felicia now.
yeah, I saw that and sort of just shrugged. Gwen Stacy is Mysterio, for fucks sake. At least Peter actually has a functioning relationship with MJ. But His son is Venom by way of some sort of Stark nanobot suit. I'm a little let down by this one but also happy to see that MJ and Peter bang and have a relationship.
I actually saw that movie in theaters. It wasn't really woke in the way I expected, but the focus on Sue Storm and her baby ended up making the rest of the team seem like side characters. The fact that she's willing to put the entire planet in jeopardy just to avoid giving up her baby also made me not really want to sympathize with her.
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The worst part in my opinion was the final fight with Galactus. Everyone else on the Fantastic Four team is completely ineffective at stopping Galactus. Even the Thing, after he finally says, "it's clobbering time!" (signaling that this must be his big moment in the movie), really only makes Galactus flinch momentarily from the impact of his blow. But then Sue Storm, through the power of being a mother who really loves her baby, single-handedly incapacitates Galactus and pushes him through multiple buildings, across several blocks, into a teleporter and saves everyone.
EDIT: I haven't read the comics, so I don't know how true the movie is to the comics. But to me the ending felt cheesy. Other people say the movie is good.
I've only read spoilers and read comics beforehand, but just from expectation, I'm rather sure that Franklin had something to do with that, as Franklin...yeah. I'm not sure if they're going to actually make Franklin anywhere near as powerful as he can become in various comic lines, but that wasn't Sue by herself, or at least if this was the comics, it wasn't.
"Galactus had many heralds, Franklin only had one."
And it was Galactus himself, something Franklin did more than once when considering the various time travel and alternate realities even the main 616 universe went through.
The first time was a future Franklin travelling back in time to stop the end of the world, the second was the modern, younger Franklin during the second Secret Wars story when Doom created Battleworld. Both times Franklin basically uses Galactus like a pokemon.
"Galactus had many heralds, Franklin only had one."
It's an amazing tipping point of the story and one of the last times Marvel probably had any good long arc works before things went to shit in the last decade or so, which isn't surprising when you know it's written by Jonathan Hickman. He's great when left to his own devices as shown in both that FF run and the Avengers run up to Secret Wars II, and he gave the Krokoa X-Men era a fantastic start, but wanted to also end it sooner and when Marvel said no, because they wanted to milk it more, Hickman left, and the Krakoan era spiraled into absurdity and horrendous writing.
Without having read any of current the Marvel comics, I’m going to guess it failed to take out the newest biggest baddest reality-warping cosmic being superthreat? If I were to issue one complaint that wasn’t about the DEI aspects of Marvel, it would definitely be that they’re absolutely lousy with a whole host of omega-level mutants and cosmic forces that have some endless DBZ-style tier list of “even stronger than the last guy to punk Galactus and/or The Living Tribunal.”
DC used to be better about that kind of stuff, but they’ve been increasingly guilty of it too, lately.
So it was some existential threat as usual which involved a race the Watchers had previously uplifted. This went horribly wrong and the Watchers changed to the non-interference stance they are known for.
For reasons this uplifted race came back and were armed with Watcher tier tech, meaning everyone was basically fucked because the Watchers were pretty much THE first space faring race in the current universe so they are that advanced vs everyone else.
Imagine that sort of tech and it's given to the Orks from 40k, except the Orks were reptiles I think in this story.
Anyway, the crossover event starts with this race blowing up the Moon, because why not, despite there being several X-Men living on it at the time because of Krakoa stuff.
Reed somehow merges with some Watcher tech and becomes part Watcher himself, increasing his brain even more so he can figure out how to stop the uplifted. Problem is the change means Reed will die in 10 hours or so.
The answer turns out to be The Ultimate Nullifier.
Drama ensues because it turns out the TUN is "ackshually" Watcher tech all along and was made to stop the First War with the uplifted by wiping most of them out along with 9/10ths of the universe.
Event ends with Reed using TUN to stop the leader of the uplifted but because Reed is part Watcher at this point he can use TUN "properly" so only zaps the leader. It also zaps his Watcher powers returning him to normal. Also the missing 9/10ths of the universe is brought back leading to more options for various comics to explore even more space because everything from the last 30 years was only ever exploring 1/10th as a dumb retcon by Dan Slott.
DC used to be better about that kind of stuff, but they’ve been increasingly guilty of it too, lately.
Hey now, who doesn't want to see the end result of a massive arc leading to Perpetua the creator of all existence get sucker-punched and supplanted by The Joker Who Laughs who then gets into a cosmic fistfight with Wonder Woman... 🙃 That's the kind of ending nobody would expect!
Because it was retarded and somehow anticlimactic despite the forces in play.
Also the missing 9/10ths of the universe is brought back leading to more options for various comics to explore even more space because everything from the last 30 years was only ever exploring 1/10th as a dumb retcon by Dan Slott.
It’s incredible how similar that is to my big complaint about Perpetua.
“ACTUALLY, this entire multiverse is one of many multiverses! ACTUALLY, the majority of existence is on the other side of the Source Wall! ACTUALLY, there are a bunch of other Forces no one wanted for our terrible Flash comic, and a whole ultraviolet light spectrum things for mediocre Green Lantern comic! ACTUALLY, the big multiversal forces that defined the last 40 years of canon are the unruly children of some woman, and she herself answers to some vague team of OMNIVERSAL judges.” Just a bunch of tacked-on escalation that adds little at best, and negative things at worst.
ACTUALLY, the majority of existence is on the other side of the Source Wall!
This was literally what Slott did with The Barrens which was the destroyed nine-tenths. The Watchers put up a barrier at the edge of the universe to keep the rest out because it was that much of a wasteland after the Ultimate Nullifier was used, and at the end of the event Utau brings down the barrier.
It was dumb when DC did it, it was dumb when Slott copied it. But then Slott sucks in general so that's par for the course.
The fact that she's willing to put the entire planet in jeopardy just to avoid giving up her baby also made me not really want to sympathize with her.
This sounds like woke programming to me. "Damn those trad women, putting the lives of their children above the planet! They should just abort them to stop climate change!"
Of course a mother should prioritize her child above everything else, but if the entire planet gets destroyed then her child will die along with everyone else anyway. Of course the team eventually finds a win-win solution that prevents them from having to make any real sacrifices, but before that point the fate of the planet was looking pretty hopeless so you can't really blame the other 6 billion people on the planet for being a little upset with Sue.
I'm not familiar with The Last of Us so I can't comment on that. But if I compared it to, say, The Walking Dead, then it's kind of like how I expect Rick to eventually make some difficult choices since he can't always have the ideal outcome.
Putting aside all the political reasons to not support Disney or Marvel, and my personal distaste for Pedro Pascal, the issue they have—and why I think this is doing poorly with general audiences—is that even if this film is great, (and I’m not convinced it is, people are also slobbering over Thunderbolts, and I did see that one, and it was mediocre at best) is that it’s placed among a sea of crap, and the project is structured such that they all reference each other and you can’t just avoid the crap. If you go see Fantastic Four, you know in the back of your mind that you’re not really watching a standalone movie—you’re signing up to watch “the set up film to a hastily constructed event movie featuring characters I don’t care about.”
Currently, the MCU has about 2-3 more movies left before going into a two-part Avengers story featuring Doctor Doom (played by Robert Downey Jr) as the primary villain. I've been rewatching a large chunk of the MCU, mostly Phases 1-3 so far, but I watched the TV shows as well for the first time, and watching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D for the first time got me to realize a few things that I didn't before.
The main thing being that the more grounded characters like Hawkeye, Black Widow, Falcon, etc help normies and the people who aren't into comics stay interested because the more high powered characters are inherently somewhat offputting for whatever reason. Even for example, Bruce Banner and the Hulk help because of how they contrast with one another.
What I think has gone wrong with the post-Endgame MCU is that they messed up by making Tony not want to revert everything back because of his child, and that sole decision has also messed up everything afterwards, because of not just storylines, but simply the setting of a universe where 50% of its population was dead for five years.
And since Disney now has the rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four back after 10 years, I think that throwing the X-Men and Fantastic Four into the MCU isn't going to be the slam dunk originally thought when Disney first bought 21st Century Fox to begin with.
making Tony not want to revert everything back because of his child
This was the absolute end of the MCU imo. It was an inherently selfish and logically moronic position. (Who says the same daughter would not have been born in the timeline where thanos had been stopped? Did anyone offer proof of that?)
Instead, 'I'll just let five years of utter disaster remain, leave untold families in complete shambles (how many people came back to find their loved ones had died during the chaos following the 'blip' ?), and refuse to fully save the world because I successfully hid in the mountains and got busy with Pepper. Can we just, half ass it and keep my daughter living a sheltered life in the woods?'
And nothing after that has been of any value whatsoever.
Who says the same daughter would not have been born in the timeline where thanos had been stopped?
Tony. The Ancient One. Banner. Leopold Fitz. Gemma Simmons.
Did anyone offer proof of that
Yes, multiple characters in the Endgame movie, that's why returning the Infinity Stones to their correct time is so important, it's explicitly spelled out in the conversation between The Ancient One and Banner. Changing/removing one of the stones would change how reality moved forward. Only by returning it to roughly when it was taken would this be prevented. Technically something removed only needs returned before it affects something else, so the Tesseract being removed from Area 51 only needed returned before someone did the next test on it for something. If months passed between tests then in theory anyone taking the Tesseract out of the timeline could return it from any point it was taken to before the test because it wouldn't change anything that happened, barring cosmic events which just add on other stipulations because of how all the stones are tied to reality. Something more mundane would have far more leeway just how long it could be missing.
What they could have done is simply taken Morgan, and anyone else, into such a timeline where Thanos was stopped since that's how the Quantum Realm worked. Yes it allowed time-travel, but it also allowed time-bridging. That was the entire point of Tony making the time-travel GPS, so they could accurately return to their original starting point. It could have easily been used to plot out a course from the Snapped 616 universe to one in a different time and space, be that 5 years prior or whatever. But that would have meant a far shorter film that basically turned into a house moving.
A drop that hard, that soon after opening means the "word of mouth" was terrible for this film.
Advertise all you like, if someone tells all their friends how good/bad a movie is? They'll go see it/not see it accordingly.
Mad Max: The Road Warrior was initially 'panned' by critics but the audience loved it! iirc it rose in ticket sales for its first 4-5 weeks.
Nah, people are sick of shitty movies. We're three/four generations into superhero movies and they are still popular when they are good. It's that last part is just rare now, but when they are even half mediocre, they still sell.
In case anyone brings up the fall of Westerns: lookup the "rural purge."
American audiances NEVER tired of westerns. It was the pedowood execs who tired of making movies with moral men doing moral things, and they spent an entire decade trying to retrain the public into wanting something else.
It's the same thing with "Capeshit," people still want to see movies about moral men doing moral things against immoral villains. Only redditors and pedowood disagree.
Deadpool and Wolverine showed it's not superhero fatigue, it's just shit writing fatigue which most superhero films are ending up as. Conversely the problem of 1 success to 9 failures is that the 1 success can do so well the 9 failures don't matter from a money POV, so they can be written off and filled with THE MESSAGE and other crap because the studio doesn't care as they make up any losses on something else.
I think the biggest reason why this might be the case is because it took so damn long to integrate the actual X-Men into the MCU. Like the entire reason why they bought 21st Century Fox was to do so, and it took until Deadpool vs Wolverine to actually get it done, which is insane.
No it's because the solution to endgame objectively sucked ass, and there is no coming back from having the option to fix everything and only fixing half of it, because reasons. Then trying to shoehorn every single property after into the same fucked up timeline of "the blip" to the point even finally having X-men and F4 is pointless, because this timeline shouldn't even exist.
The timeline also happens to be woke as fuck, so who actually cares about it anymore?
A movie that actually resets "the blip" and brings all the white male heroes back, and erases all the woke, would make billions.
Yeah, 80% week 1 to week 2 drop, I can’t remember what was the last 80% drop, but Midnight’s Edge(box office movie business/culture war channel) pointed out how bad that level of disinterest/word of mouth is both times it’s come up. That’s The Last Jedi or Solo or something levels of shit.
It's probably superhero fatigue. Its been almost 20 years. Just like how people got sick of westerns which dominated TV and theaters from 50s to mid 70s.
When someone reveals their hatred of you to you, you aren’t going to magically forget about it when they start “spontaneously” treating you better (in order to get your money again). These “return to form” superhero movies are still being made by the same leftist feminist demons who openly and ruthlessly denigrated their white/male audience for the last 5+ years. These big brands are tainted now. They can’t just flip a switch and expect their battered former fans to come crawling back.
Also, Vanessa Kirby hit the wall hard. I think it has something to do with early life plastic surgery. She always looked very artificial. Now it’s like watching the migration of landmasses across the earth’s surface. Everything is shifting around unevenly. Soon we won’t even recognize the territory.
The F4 are not as popular with general audiences than comic people and execs think.
Their primary villain is Doctor Doom, so since the next Avengers movies are going to be revolving around him as the main villain, they kind of have to bring them in. I think that the existence of Marvel Rivals, the upcoming ArcSys Marvel fighting game and more proves that there is still a massive audience for Marvel content, they just can't fuck up their biggest cash cow anymore than they already have.
There’s a market for Marvel characters in the hands of anyone other than Disney. This is not something that Disney can leverage directly. They need to start licensing the Marvel IPs out to other movie studios.
There are a number of big Thanos level baddies like Korvac and Onslaught but whoever is running the MCU is too focused on pushing anti White policies and pedophilia in their movies.
I doubt anyone working on the MCU now has ever heard of Korvac. Onslaught is possible but only because of how much Xavier and Magneto play into it. I doubt the same groups would know who Nate Grey is, let alone that Franklin also played a big part in Onslaught originally as this new FF movie is probably the first time these parasites have ever heard of any of Reed and Sue's children.
Doom is possible for him to be a big bad- just send a Doombot for a couple movies only to reveal he couldn't even be bothered. They could have done great shit with Ultron too- he keeps getting away and improving himself but they screwed that one up too.
They could even bring back Kane, who was my choice for the next big bad because he's been a bunch of different bad guys. Just have him go back in time or the future and change himself drastically so he doesn't even look the same.
The idea of Kang as a black man is ridiculous as it is- if he goes back in time and sees black being always getting shit on, why become one when it's only going to make things harder? Why not go back in time and change history so it isn't so?
Good villains are required to have good heroes.
Batman & Spiderman have villains as memorable as they themselves are, popular too! Superman's villains are bloody boring.
FF fought Namor (The Sub Mariner) in #4 of the comic, and Doctor Doom in #5. Galactus in #48. All in all their enemies ranged from really interesting to downright generic.
Batman takes the cake. Comic book people can all rattle off some Spiderman villains, but even normies can name half a dozen Batman villains. They are all memorable. Joker, Riddler, two face, penguin, cat woman, poison ivy, Mr freeze, and those are the ones anyone can name. His B line is still super memorable, scare crow, bane, Clayface, Harley Quinn, killer croc, raz aghul.
Brainiac is a great villain but they are too incompetent to make him look good in the movies. They would fuck him up like they fucked up Doomsday.
My favourite Brainiac is always going to be the DCAU version where he was formerly the Kryptonian central computer that did a runner when the planet was going to explode and didn't tell anyone. Smallville kind of did something similar when James Marsters/Spike from Buffy played the character so it wasn't too bad, but I can never get behind the other versions that are some random data collector or something else. Tying him to much to Superman makes him a far more intimate threat rather than "Generic world destroyed of the week #3781".
As does Doomsday at times. In some versions he's a CADMUS altered clone of Superman, in another he's an Apokolips altered clone of Superman, while in others he's something else entirely and still just as near unkillable that becomes immune to whatever defeated/killed him last time.
Doomsday in the Snyder movies was horrible. But have you seen the series with Tyler Hoechin? (Probably spelled that wrong). That version is good.
Batman and Spider-Man are generally considered to have the two best rogues galleries in superhero fiction, with maybe The Flash running a distant second. They aren't exactly a fair standard. Superman does have iconic villains—there's Lex Luthor, obviously, and he's so popular and iconic that he even shows up referentially in tons of other heroes' comics, but there's also Bizarro and Zod for two very different takes on the "evil Superman," there's Brainiac... even Darkseid is arguably a "Superman villain," although not as exclusively so.
Maybe you just don't like Superman? That's perfectly fine, but it's not like he's got nothing going on. And he's still among the most popular superheroes, so I'm honestly not even sure why you took the sideswipe at him. Saying "Superheroes need good villains, but one of the most recognized superheroes in the world has bad villains" isn't exactly a compelling argument.
Most superheroes have a lot of non-iconic villains. Everyone knows the Green Goblin and Doc Ock, fewer know of... White Rabbit? Huh, there was a whole gang of animal-themed villains called the Menagerie that were duds. For every Vulture or Rhino, there was a Walrus or Squid that never became popular.
My favorite is when a throwaway villain has such aura or memes that they becomes popular out of nowhere. See also: The Condiment King.
It wasn't until much later when I was doing a [re]-watch of the DCAU I saw that episode of Batman TAS which introduced him. Talk about glowing up.
Or Kite Man.
Hell yeah!
For a minor villain he has such a tragic backstory considering what The Joker did to him.
Don't worry, they can still do Black Cat horribly and race swap Felicia just like has happened in the current Ultimate Spider-Man so that's she's actually black. Or at least half black since her dad is still the original white guy.
Oh and because that comic is set 10-20 or so years ahead with an aged up Peter it's his son who is hooking up with Felicia now.
yeah, I saw that and sort of just shrugged. Gwen Stacy is Mysterio, for fucks sake. At least Peter actually has a functioning relationship with MJ. But His son is Venom by way of some sort of Stark nanobot suit. I'm a little let down by this one but also happy to see that MJ and Peter bang and have a relationship.
Stiltman did nothing wrong!
More like the Faggot 4.
I actually saw that movie in theaters. It wasn't really woke in the way I expected, but the focus on Sue Storm and her baby ended up making the rest of the team seem like side characters. The fact that she's willing to put the entire planet in jeopardy just to avoid giving up her baby also made me not really want to sympathize with her.
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The worst part in my opinion was the final fight with Galactus. Everyone else on the Fantastic Four team is completely ineffective at stopping Galactus. Even the Thing, after he finally says, "it's clobbering time!" (signaling that this must be his big moment in the movie), really only makes Galactus flinch momentarily from the impact of his blow. But then Sue Storm, through the power of being a mother who really loves her baby, single-handedly incapacitates Galactus and pushes him through multiple buildings, across several blocks, into a teleporter and saves everyone.
EDIT: I haven't read the comics, so I don't know how true the movie is to the comics. But to me the ending felt cheesy. Other people say the movie is good.
I've only read spoilers and read comics beforehand, but just from expectation, I'm rather sure that Franklin had something to do with that, as Franklin...yeah. I'm not sure if they're going to actually make Franklin anywhere near as powerful as he can become in various comic lines, but that wasn't Sue by herself, or at least if this was the comics, it wasn't.
"Galactus had many heralds, Franklin only had one."
And it was Galactus himself, something Franklin did more than once when considering the various time travel and alternate realities even the main 616 universe went through.
The first time was a future Franklin travelling back in time to stop the end of the world, the second was the modern, younger Franklin during the second Secret Wars story when Doom created Battleworld. Both times Franklin basically uses Galactus like a pokemon.
It's an amazing tipping point of the story and one of the last times Marvel probably had any good long arc works before things went to shit in the last decade or so, which isn't surprising when you know it's written by Jonathan Hickman. He's great when left to his own devices as shown in both that FF run and the Avengers run up to Secret Wars II, and he gave the Krokoa X-Men era a fantastic start, but wanted to also end it sooner and when Marvel said no, because they wanted to milk it more, Hickman left, and the Krakoan era spiraled into absurdity and horrendous writing.
Still, we have moments like this to remember.
Whole thing is made all the better by the underlying point that a son needs a/his father. That's the entire reason the whole arc happens.
Hickman deserves so much better than what Marvel repeatedly does to him now.
Marvel keeps pushing shitty writers with weird fetishes
Ah ok, it was kind of implied that Franklin revived Sue at the end, but I wasn't aware that he made Sue stronger during the fight.
So they changed the Ultimate Nullifier, which can destroy entire universes and even metaphysical concepts...
...to Mary Sue Storm.
The MCU is cooked.
Reed actually used TUN in a recent comic. It didn't nullify much, however.
Without having read any of current the Marvel comics, I’m going to guess it failed to take out the newest biggest baddest reality-warping cosmic being superthreat? If I were to issue one complaint that wasn’t about the DEI aspects of Marvel, it would definitely be that they’re absolutely lousy with a whole host of omega-level mutants and cosmic forces that have some endless DBZ-style tier list of “even stronger than the last guy to punk Galactus and/or The Living Tribunal.”
DC used to be better about that kind of stuff, but they’ve been increasingly guilty of it too, lately.
So it was some existential threat as usual which involved a race the Watchers had previously uplifted. This went horribly wrong and the Watchers changed to the non-interference stance they are known for.
For reasons this uplifted race came back and were armed with Watcher tier tech, meaning everyone was basically fucked because the Watchers were pretty much THE first space faring race in the current universe so they are that advanced vs everyone else.
Imagine that sort of tech and it's given to the Orks from 40k, except the Orks were reptiles I think in this story.
Anyway, the crossover event starts with this race blowing up the Moon, because why not, despite there being several X-Men living on it at the time because of Krakoa stuff.
Reed somehow merges with some Watcher tech and becomes part Watcher himself, increasing his brain even more so he can figure out how to stop the uplifted. Problem is the change means Reed will die in 10 hours or so.
The answer turns out to be The Ultimate Nullifier.
Drama ensues because it turns out the TUN is "ackshually" Watcher tech all along and was made to stop the First War with the uplifted by wiping most of them out along with 9/10ths of the universe.
Event ends with Reed using TUN to stop the leader of the uplifted but because Reed is part Watcher at this point he can use TUN "properly" so only zaps the leader. It also zaps his Watcher powers returning him to normal. Also the missing 9/10ths of the universe is brought back leading to more options for various comics to explore even more space because everything from the last 30 years was only ever exploring 1/10th as a dumb retcon by Dan Slott.
Hey now, who doesn't want to see the end result of a massive arc leading to Perpetua the creator of all existence get sucker-punched and supplanted by The Joker Who Laughs who then gets into a cosmic fistfight with Wonder Woman... 🙃 That's the kind of ending nobody would expect!
Because it was retarded and somehow anticlimactic despite the forces in play.
It’s incredible how similar that is to my big complaint about Perpetua.
“ACTUALLY, this entire multiverse is one of many multiverses! ACTUALLY, the majority of existence is on the other side of the Source Wall! ACTUALLY, there are a bunch of other Forces no one wanted for our terrible Flash comic, and a whole ultraviolet light spectrum things for mediocre Green Lantern comic! ACTUALLY, the big multiversal forces that defined the last 40 years of canon are the unruly children of some woman, and she herself answers to some vague team of OMNIVERSAL judges.” Just a bunch of tacked-on escalation that adds little at best, and negative things at worst.
This was literally what Slott did with The Barrens which was the destroyed nine-tenths. The Watchers put up a barrier at the edge of the universe to keep the rest out because it was that much of a wasteland after the Ultimate Nullifier was used, and at the end of the event Utau brings down the barrier.
It was dumb when DC did it, it was dumb when Slott copied it. But then Slott sucks in general so that's par for the course.
This sounds like woke programming to me. "Damn those trad women, putting the lives of their children above the planet! They should just abort them to stop climate change!"
Jesus. I was tempted to watch this now that the crowds died down but I cannot stand grrlboss crap.
I know it's not pragmatic but isn't it a good thing to show a mother willing to defend her child even in such extreme circumstances?
Like, do you not sympathize with Joel from The Last of Us either when he chooses to save Ellie?
Of course a mother should prioritize her child above everything else, but if the entire planet gets destroyed then her child will die along with everyone else anyway. Of course the team eventually finds a win-win solution that prevents them from having to make any real sacrifices, but before that point the fate of the planet was looking pretty hopeless so you can't really blame the other 6 billion people on the planet for being a little upset with Sue.
I'm not familiar with The Last of Us so I can't comment on that. But if I compared it to, say, The Walking Dead, then it's kind of like how I expect Rick to eventually make some difficult choices since he can't always have the ideal outcome.
They were pushing the marketing for FF hard.
I don't even watch TV commercials, but the product placements were shilling this movie for weeks.
Putting aside all the political reasons to not support Disney or Marvel, and my personal distaste for Pedro Pascal, the issue they have—and why I think this is doing poorly with general audiences—is that even if this film is great, (and I’m not convinced it is, people are also slobbering over Thunderbolts, and I did see that one, and it was mediocre at best) is that it’s placed among a sea of crap, and the project is structured such that they all reference each other and you can’t just avoid the crap. If you go see Fantastic Four, you know in the back of your mind that you’re not really watching a standalone movie—you’re signing up to watch “the set up film to a hastily constructed event movie featuring characters I don’t care about.”
Currently, the MCU has about 2-3 more movies left before going into a two-part Avengers story featuring Doctor Doom (played by Robert Downey Jr) as the primary villain. I've been rewatching a large chunk of the MCU, mostly Phases 1-3 so far, but I watched the TV shows as well for the first time, and watching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D for the first time got me to realize a few things that I didn't before.
The main thing being that the more grounded characters like Hawkeye, Black Widow, Falcon, etc help normies and the people who aren't into comics stay interested because the more high powered characters are inherently somewhat offputting for whatever reason. Even for example, Bruce Banner and the Hulk help because of how they contrast with one another.
What I think has gone wrong with the post-Endgame MCU is that they messed up by making Tony not want to revert everything back because of his child, and that sole decision has also messed up everything afterwards, because of not just storylines, but simply the setting of a universe where 50% of its population was dead for five years.
And since Disney now has the rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four back after 10 years, I think that throwing the X-Men and Fantastic Four into the MCU isn't going to be the slam dunk originally thought when Disney first bought 21st Century Fox to begin with.
This was the absolute end of the MCU imo. It was an inherently selfish and logically moronic position. (Who says the same daughter would not have been born in the timeline where thanos had been stopped? Did anyone offer proof of that?)
Instead, 'I'll just let five years of utter disaster remain, leave untold families in complete shambles (how many people came back to find their loved ones had died during the chaos following the 'blip' ?), and refuse to fully save the world because I successfully hid in the mountains and got busy with Pepper. Can we just, half ass it and keep my daughter living a sheltered life in the woods?'
And nothing after that has been of any value whatsoever.
Tony. The Ancient One. Banner. Leopold Fitz. Gemma Simmons.
Yes, multiple characters in the Endgame movie, that's why returning the Infinity Stones to their correct time is so important, it's explicitly spelled out in the conversation between The Ancient One and Banner. Changing/removing one of the stones would change how reality moved forward. Only by returning it to roughly when it was taken would this be prevented. Technically something removed only needs returned before it affects something else, so the Tesseract being removed from Area 51 only needed returned before someone did the next test on it for something. If months passed between tests then in theory anyone taking the Tesseract out of the timeline could return it from any point it was taken to before the test because it wouldn't change anything that happened, barring cosmic events which just add on other stipulations because of how all the stones are tied to reality. Something more mundane would have far more leeway just how long it could be missing.
What they could have done is simply taken Morgan, and anyone else, into such a timeline where Thanos was stopped since that's how the Quantum Realm worked. Yes it allowed time-travel, but it also allowed time-bridging. That was the entire point of Tony making the time-travel GPS, so they could accurately return to their original starting point. It could have easily been used to plot out a course from the Snapped 616 universe to one in a different time and space, be that 5 years prior or whatever. But that would have meant a far shorter film that basically turned into a house moving.
A drop that hard, that soon after opening means the "word of mouth" was terrible for this film.
Advertise all you like, if someone tells all their friends how good/bad a movie is? They'll go see it/not see it accordingly.
Mad Max: The Road Warrior was initially 'panned' by critics but the audience loved it! iirc it rose in ticket sales for its first 4-5 weeks.
Re: 4.
Nah, people are sick of shitty movies. We're three/four generations into superhero movies and they are still popular when they are good. It's that last part is just rare now, but when they are even half mediocre, they still sell.
In case anyone brings up the fall of Westerns: lookup the "rural purge."
American audiances NEVER tired of westerns. It was the pedowood execs who tired of making movies with moral men doing moral things, and they spent an entire decade trying to retrain the public into wanting something else.
It's the same thing with "Capeshit," people still want to see movies about moral men doing moral things against immoral villains. Only redditors and pedowood disagree.
I don’t think that’s the issue. I think the issue is that there’s 8532328 superhero products and they stopped being good about 2844109 projects ago.
Deadpool and Wolverine showed it's not superhero fatigue, it's just shit writing fatigue which most superhero films are ending up as. Conversely the problem of 1 success to 9 failures is that the 1 success can do so well the 9 failures don't matter from a money POV, so they can be written off and filled with THE MESSAGE and other crap because the studio doesn't care as they make up any losses on something else.
I think the biggest reason why this might be the case is because it took so damn long to integrate the actual X-Men into the MCU. Like the entire reason why they bought 21st Century Fox was to do so, and it took until Deadpool vs Wolverine to actually get it done, which is insane.
No it's because the solution to endgame objectively sucked ass, and there is no coming back from having the option to fix everything and only fixing half of it, because reasons. Then trying to shoehorn every single property after into the same fucked up timeline of "the blip" to the point even finally having X-men and F4 is pointless, because this timeline shouldn't even exist.
The timeline also happens to be woke as fuck, so who actually cares about it anymore?
A movie that actually resets "the blip" and brings all the white male heroes back, and erases all the woke, would make billions.
That's certainly a contributor
Hard to watch a movie when the star is openly a pedophile.
Yeah, 80% week 1 to week 2 drop, I can’t remember what was the last 80% drop, but Midnight’s Edge(box office movie business/culture war channel) pointed out how bad that level of disinterest/word of mouth is both times it’s come up. That’s The Last Jedi or Solo or something levels of shit.
It's probably superhero fatigue. Its been almost 20 years. Just like how people got sick of westerns which dominated TV and theaters from 50s to mid 70s.
That actually wasn't the case, it was the weirdos in Hollywood wanting to manufacture consensus
People ain't sick of "superheroes". Anime proves it. You can have great sales, again and again, with the same story, over and over.
People are sick of wokewashed not-so-super "heroes".
Regular people are. Yes
I stopped watching when they made it gay. I love superhero stuff. Just not woke.