I actually saw that movie in theaters. It wasn't really woke in the way I expected, but the focus on Sue Storm and her baby ended up making the rest of the team seem like side characters. The fact that she's willing to put the entire planet in jeopardy just to avoid giving up her baby also made me not really want to sympathize with her.
SPOILER BELOW
The worst part in my opinion was the final fight with Galactus. Everyone else on the Fantastic Four team is completely ineffective at stopping Galactus. Even the Thing, after he finally says, "it's clobbering time!" (signaling that this must be his big moment in the movie), really only makes Galactus flinch momentarily from the impact of his blow. But then Sue Storm, through the power of being a mother who really loves her baby, single-handedly incapacitates Galactus and pushes him through multiple buildings, across several blocks, into a teleporter and saves everyone.
EDIT: I haven't read the comics, so I don't know how true the movie is to the comics. But to me the ending felt cheesy. Other people say the movie is good.
I've only read spoilers and read comics beforehand, but just from expectation, I'm rather sure that Franklin had something to do with that, as Franklin...yeah. I'm not sure if they're going to actually make Franklin anywhere near as powerful as he can become in various comic lines, but that wasn't Sue by herself, or at least if this was the comics, it wasn't.
"Galactus had many heralds, Franklin only had one."
And it was Galactus himself, something Franklin did more than once when considering the various time travel and alternate realities even the main 616 universe went through.
The first time was a future Franklin travelling back in time to stop the end of the world, the second was the modern, younger Franklin during the second Secret Wars story when Doom created Battleworld. Both times Franklin basically uses Galactus like a pokemon.
"Galactus had many heralds, Franklin only had one."
It's an amazing tipping point of the story and one of the last times Marvel probably had any good long arc works before things went to shit in the last decade or so, which isn't surprising when you know it's written by Jonathan Hickman. He's great when left to his own devices as shown in both that FF run and the Avengers run up to Secret Wars II, and he gave the Krokoa X-Men era a fantastic start, but wanted to also end it sooner and when Marvel said no, because they wanted to milk it more, Hickman left, and the Krakoan era spiraled into absurdity and horrendous writing.
Without having read any of current the Marvel comics, I’m going to guess it failed to take out the newest biggest baddest reality-warping cosmic being superthreat? If I were to issue one complaint that wasn’t about the DEI aspects of Marvel, it would definitely be that they’re absolutely lousy with a whole host of omega-level mutants and cosmic forces that have some endless DBZ-style tier list of “even stronger than the last guy to punk Galactus and/or The Living Tribunal.”
DC used to be better about that kind of stuff, but they’ve been increasingly guilty of it too, lately.
So it was some existential threat as usual which involved a race the Watchers had previously uplifted. This went horribly wrong and the Watchers changed to the non-interference stance they are known for.
For reasons this uplifted race came back and were armed with Watcher tier tech, meaning everyone was basically fucked because the Watchers were pretty much THE first space faring race in the current universe so they are that advanced vs everyone else.
Imagine that sort of tech and it's given to the Orks from 40k, except the Orks were reptiles I think in this story.
Anyway, the crossover event starts with this race blowing up the Moon, because why not, despite there being several X-Men living on it at the time because of Krakoa stuff.
Reed somehow merges with some Watcher tech and becomes part Watcher himself, increasing his brain even more so he can figure out how to stop the uplifted. Problem is the change means Reed will die in 10 hours or so.
The answer turns out to be The Ultimate Nullifier.
Drama ensues because it turns out the TUN is "ackshually" Watcher tech all along and was made to stop the First War with the uplifted by wiping most of them out along with 9/10ths of the universe.
Event ends with Reed using TUN to stop the leader of the uplifted but because Reed is part Watcher at this point he can use TUN "properly" so only zaps the leader. It also zaps his Watcher powers returning him to normal. Also the missing 9/10ths of the universe is brought back leading to more options for various comics to explore even more space because everything from the last 30 years was only ever exploring 1/10th as a dumb retcon by Dan Slott.
DC used to be better about that kind of stuff, but they’ve been increasingly guilty of it too, lately.
Hey now, who doesn't want to see the end result of a massive arc leading to Perpetua the creator of all existence get sucker-punched and supplanted by The Joker Who Laughs who then gets into a cosmic fistfight with Wonder Woman... 🙃 That's the kind of ending nobody would expect!
Because it was retarded and somehow anticlimactic despite the forces in play.
The fact that she's willing to put the entire planet in jeopardy just to avoid giving up her baby also made me not really want to sympathize with her.
This sounds like woke programming to me. "Damn those trad women, putting the lives of their children above the planet! They should just abort them to stop climate change!"
Of course a mother should prioritize her child above everything else, but if the entire planet gets destroyed then her child will die along with everyone else anyway. Of course the team eventually finds a win-win solution that prevents them from having to make any real sacrifices, but before that point the fate of the planet was looking pretty hopeless so you can't really blame the other 6 billion people on the planet for being a little upset with Sue.
I'm not familiar with The Last of Us so I can't comment on that. But if I compared it to, say, The Walking Dead, then it's kind of like how I expect Rick to eventually make some difficult choices since he can't always have the ideal outcome.
I actually saw that movie in theaters. It wasn't really woke in the way I expected, but the focus on Sue Storm and her baby ended up making the rest of the team seem like side characters. The fact that she's willing to put the entire planet in jeopardy just to avoid giving up her baby also made me not really want to sympathize with her.
SPOILER BELOW
The worst part in my opinion was the final fight with Galactus. Everyone else on the Fantastic Four team is completely ineffective at stopping Galactus. Even the Thing, after he finally says, "it's clobbering time!" (signaling that this must be his big moment in the movie), really only makes Galactus flinch momentarily from the impact of his blow. But then Sue Storm, through the power of being a mother who really loves her baby, single-handedly incapacitates Galactus and pushes him through multiple buildings, across several blocks, into a teleporter and saves everyone.
EDIT: I haven't read the comics, so I don't know how true the movie is to the comics. But to me the ending felt cheesy. Other people say the movie is good.
I've only read spoilers and read comics beforehand, but just from expectation, I'm rather sure that Franklin had something to do with that, as Franklin...yeah. I'm not sure if they're going to actually make Franklin anywhere near as powerful as he can become in various comic lines, but that wasn't Sue by herself, or at least if this was the comics, it wasn't.
"Galactus had many heralds, Franklin only had one."
And it was Galactus himself, something Franklin did more than once when considering the various time travel and alternate realities even the main 616 universe went through.
The first time was a future Franklin travelling back in time to stop the end of the world, the second was the modern, younger Franklin during the second Secret Wars story when Doom created Battleworld. Both times Franklin basically uses Galactus like a pokemon.
It's an amazing tipping point of the story and one of the last times Marvel probably had any good long arc works before things went to shit in the last decade or so, which isn't surprising when you know it's written by Jonathan Hickman. He's great when left to his own devices as shown in both that FF run and the Avengers run up to Secret Wars II, and he gave the Krokoa X-Men era a fantastic start, but wanted to also end it sooner and when Marvel said no, because they wanted to milk it more, Hickman left, and the Krakoan era spiraled into absurdity and horrendous writing.
Still, we have moments like this to remember.
Whole thing is made all the better by the underlying point that a son needs a/his father. That's the entire reason the whole arc happens.
Hickman deserves so much better than what Marvel repeatedly does to him now.
Ah ok, it was kind of implied that Franklin revived Sue at the end, but I wasn't aware that he made Sue stronger during the fight.
So they changed the Ultimate Nullifier, which can destroy entire universes and even metaphysical concepts...
...to Mary Sue Storm.
The MCU is cooked.
Reed actually used TUN in a recent comic. It didn't nullify much, however.
Without having read any of current the Marvel comics, I’m going to guess it failed to take out the newest biggest baddest reality-warping cosmic being superthreat? If I were to issue one complaint that wasn’t about the DEI aspects of Marvel, it would definitely be that they’re absolutely lousy with a whole host of omega-level mutants and cosmic forces that have some endless DBZ-style tier list of “even stronger than the last guy to punk Galactus and/or The Living Tribunal.”
DC used to be better about that kind of stuff, but they’ve been increasingly guilty of it too, lately.
So it was some existential threat as usual which involved a race the Watchers had previously uplifted. This went horribly wrong and the Watchers changed to the non-interference stance they are known for.
For reasons this uplifted race came back and were armed with Watcher tier tech, meaning everyone was basically fucked because the Watchers were pretty much THE first space faring race in the current universe so they are that advanced vs everyone else.
Imagine that sort of tech and it's given to the Orks from 40k, except the Orks were reptiles I think in this story.
Anyway, the crossover event starts with this race blowing up the Moon, because why not, despite there being several X-Men living on it at the time because of Krakoa stuff.
Reed somehow merges with some Watcher tech and becomes part Watcher himself, increasing his brain even more so he can figure out how to stop the uplifted. Problem is the change means Reed will die in 10 hours or so.
The answer turns out to be The Ultimate Nullifier.
Drama ensues because it turns out the TUN is "ackshually" Watcher tech all along and was made to stop the First War with the uplifted by wiping most of them out along with 9/10ths of the universe.
Event ends with Reed using TUN to stop the leader of the uplifted but because Reed is part Watcher at this point he can use TUN "properly" so only zaps the leader. It also zaps his Watcher powers returning him to normal. Also the missing 9/10ths of the universe is brought back leading to more options for various comics to explore even more space because everything from the last 30 years was only ever exploring 1/10th as a dumb retcon by Dan Slott.
Hey now, who doesn't want to see the end result of a massive arc leading to Perpetua the creator of all existence get sucker-punched and supplanted by The Joker Who Laughs who then gets into a cosmic fistfight with Wonder Woman... 🙃 That's the kind of ending nobody would expect!
Because it was retarded and somehow anticlimactic despite the forces in play.
This sounds like woke programming to me. "Damn those trad women, putting the lives of their children above the planet! They should just abort them to stop climate change!"
Jesus. I was tempted to watch this now that the crowds died down but I cannot stand grrlboss crap.
I know it's not pragmatic but isn't it a good thing to show a mother willing to defend her child even in such extreme circumstances?
Like, do you not sympathize with Joel from The Last of Us either when he chooses to save Ellie?
Of course a mother should prioritize her child above everything else, but if the entire planet gets destroyed then her child will die along with everyone else anyway. Of course the team eventually finds a win-win solution that prevents them from having to make any real sacrifices, but before that point the fate of the planet was looking pretty hopeless so you can't really blame the other 6 billion people on the planet for being a little upset with Sue.
I'm not familiar with The Last of Us so I can't comment on that. But if I compared it to, say, The Walking Dead, then it's kind of like how I expect Rick to eventually make some difficult choices since he can't always have the ideal outcome.