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The new Fantastic Four movie (that is actually in line with the MCU) dropped 80% from opening weekend to the second weekend. Don't think it's the end of the MCU, but the drop is interesting to me (archive.is)
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– undecidedmask2 20 points 303 days ago +20 / -0

The F4 are not as popular with general audiences than comic people and execs think.

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– redman012 [S] 16 points 303 days ago +16 / -0

Their primary villain is Doctor Doom, so since the next Avengers movies are going to be revolving around him as the main villain, they kind of have to bring them in. I think that the existence of Marvel Rivals, the upcoming ArcSys Marvel fighting game and more proves that there is still a massive audience for Marvel content, they just can't fuck up their biggest cash cow anymore than they already have.

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– current_horror 16 points 303 days ago +16 / -0

There’s a market for Marvel characters in the hands of anyone other than Disney. This is not something that Disney can leverage directly. They need to start licensing the Marvel IPs out to other movie studios.

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– NiggersAreTards 7 points 303 days ago +7 / -0

There are a number of big Thanos level baddies like Korvac and Onslaught but whoever is running the MCU is too focused on pushing anti White policies and pedophilia in their movies.

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– CarmenOfSandiego 5 points 303 days ago +5 / -0

I doubt anyone working on the MCU now has ever heard of Korvac. Onslaught is possible but only because of how much Xavier and Magneto play into it. I doubt the same groups would know who Nate Grey is, let alone that Franklin also played a big part in Onslaught originally as this new FF movie is probably the first time these parasites have ever heard of any of Reed and Sue's children.

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– NiggersAreTards 3 points 303 days ago +3 / -0

Doom is possible for him to be a big bad- just send a Doombot for a couple movies only to reveal he couldn't even be bothered. They could have done great shit with Ultron too- he keeps getting away and improving himself but they screwed that one up too.

They could even bring back Kane, who was my choice for the next big bad because he's been a bunch of different bad guys. Just have him go back in time or the future and change himself drastically so he doesn't even look the same.

The idea of Kang as a black man is ridiculous as it is- if he goes back in time and sees black being always getting shit on, why become one when it's only going to make things harder? Why not go back in time and change history so it isn't so?

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– 5Cats 6 points 303 days ago +6 / -0

Good villains are required to have good heroes.
Batman & Spiderman have villains as memorable as they themselves are, popular too! Superman's villains are bloody boring.

FF fought Namor (The Sub Mariner) in #4 of the comic, and Doctor Doom in #5. Galactus in #48. All in all their enemies ranged from really interesting to downright generic.

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– Maskurbator 7 points 303 days ago +7 / -0

Batman takes the cake. Comic book people can all rattle off some Spiderman villains, but even normies can name half a dozen Batman villains. They are all memorable. Joker, Riddler, two face, penguin, cat woman, poison ivy, Mr freeze, and those are the ones anyone can name. His B line is still super memorable, scare crow, bane, Clayface, Harley Quinn, killer croc, raz aghul.

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– NiggersAreTards 7 points 303 days ago +7 / -0

Brainiac is a great villain but they are too incompetent to make him look good in the movies. They would fuck him up like they fucked up Doomsday.

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– CarmenOfSandiego 9 points 303 days ago +9 / -0

My favourite Brainiac is always going to be the DCAU version where he was formerly the Kryptonian central computer that did a runner when the planet was going to explode and didn't tell anyone. Smallville kind of did something similar when James Marsters/Spike from Buffy played the character so it wasn't too bad, but I can never get behind the other versions that are some random data collector or something else. Tying him to much to Superman makes him a far more intimate threat rather than "Generic world destroyed of the week #3781".

As does Doomsday at times. In some versions he's a CADMUS altered clone of Superman, in another he's an Apokolips altered clone of Superman, while in others he's something else entirely and still just as near unkillable that becomes immune to whatever defeated/killed him last time.

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– Maskurbator 4 points 303 days ago +4 / -0

Doomsday in the Snyder movies was horrible. But have you seen the series with Tyler Hoechin? (Probably spelled that wrong). That version is good.

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– LibertyPrimeWasRight 6 points 303 days ago +6 / -0

Batman and Spider-Man are generally considered to have the two best rogues galleries in superhero fiction, with maybe The Flash running a distant second. They aren't exactly a fair standard. Superman does have iconic villains—there's Lex Luthor, obviously, and he's so popular and iconic that he even shows up referentially in tons of other heroes' comics, but there's also Bizarro and Zod for two very different takes on the "evil Superman," there's Brainiac... even Darkseid is arguably a "Superman villain," although not as exclusively so.

Maybe you just don't like Superman? That's perfectly fine, but it's not like he's got nothing going on. And he's still among the most popular superheroes, so I'm honestly not even sure why you took the sideswipe at him. Saying "Superheroes need good villains, but one of the most recognized superheroes in the world has bad villains" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

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– AgnosticTemplar 6 points 303 days ago +6 / -0

Most superheroes have a lot of non-iconic villains. Everyone knows the Green Goblin and Doc Ock, fewer know of... White Rabbit? Huh, there was a whole gang of animal-themed villains called the Menagerie that were duds. For every Vulture or Rhino, there was a Walrus or Squid that never became popular.

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– AcidOverlord 7 points 303 days ago +7 / -0

My favorite is when a throwaway villain has such aura or memes that they becomes popular out of nowhere. See also: The Condiment King.

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– Vivs3rdSock 7 points 303 days ago +7 / -0

Don't worry, they can still do Black Cat horribly and race swap Felicia just like has happened in the current Ultimate Spider-Man so that's she's actually black. Or at least half black since her dad is still the original white guy.

Oh and because that comic is set 10-20 or so years ahead with an aged up Peter it's his son who is hooking up with Felicia now.

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– DemolitionsPanda 3 points 303 days ago +3 / -0

Stiltman did nothing wrong!

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– covok48 2 points 303 days ago +2 / -0

More like the Faggot 4.

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