I'd argue a proper woman would also bring peace in the home. Your home should be a sanctuary from the strife of reality and a good wife would make sure thats the case.
It's usual projection. It's not men who got meaner, it's women. Men aren't the ones who changed from 1925 to 2025, it's women.
Women went from being very respectful to men, being appreciative of the role men played in society and being very nice and courteous to seeing men as the enemy. Women started acting mean towards men.
Men took notice and adapted by no longer going out of their way to be overly kind to women.
Women can easily change men's behavior if they want by being nice to men. The nicer women are to men, the nicer men will be to women. Women are the gender that changed the way they treat the other gender first. It's up to them to change back if they liked how things were before more.
Men have changed since the mid-70's too. We're generally much nicer than we used to be, by and large. Our reward is getting blamed for everything & treated like dirt. Like you said, it is women who've gotten nasty.
The ones talking about COVID have an decent take. Forced isolation of people did lead to a general "center-of-the-world" attitude. Online shipping, food delivery, streaming entertainment were already eroding a lot of basic passive social interaction. The lockdowns accelerated it.
A thing they're missing is the common courtesies they're talking about are rooted in living in a high-trust society. The West aren't those anymore. At least not in urban areas. They traded it for diversity. You'd think that could have resulted in in-group courtesy, but instead we got the outcome where everyone is looking out for themselves.
The split in that thread is fascinating. There's a reasoned group that has identified general shifts in social interaction and is theorizing on causes. Then there's a group that thinks men aren't holding doors open for them because they can type "big boob" and get a million results. The brainwashed portion is striking.
A thing they're missing is the common courtesies they're talking about are rooted in living in a high-trust society. The West aren't those anymore.
Their precious feminism played no small role in creating this situation.
You'd think that could have resulted in in-group courtesy, but instead we got the outcome where everyone is looking out for themselves.
I think the issue is that the in-group is tiny for any individual person, which is a result of living in a low-trust society as you mention. In the shithole metro area I live in a random white dude is only slightly more trustworthy than a diversity import. I certainly wouldn't consider them a member of my in-group until I have good reason to. So that leaves friends and family. We're Balkanized at a much lower level than demographic groups.
Well said. Most whites are not much more trust worthy due to conditioning. Strangely enough non whites are often generally happier and friendlier because they haven't been conditioned to hate themselves and white people are much. Whites are taught since day 1 this self hatred.
In general, yes, you're correct about high trust and diversity, but there's a more acute point about trust: covid. Everyone was more or less willing to go along to get along, but when two weeks turned into six months, unease and discontent was expressed by one portion of the population and these people specifically, reddit and/or female, slammed the gas pedal to the floor instead of letting up to see what the issue was.
Trust was crumbling before covid. But they took it out back and blew its brains out and now they wonder why it doesn't come around anymore.
Other than their solution being the rest of us accept permanent mask mandates in the name of shifting the Overton window. If the motherfuckers want to mandate anything to us, they had better have an actual army backing them up. So other than the treasonous dehumanization of us, it's a great take.
I mean lots of men are coomers and that takes away their motivation to really go through all the trouble of getting and maintaining a marriage with a woman.
Its constantly in the comments about how porn won't divorce you, my hand never betrays me etc, why bother with women when you have porn and sexdolls.
The human brain can't distinguish very well between having sex and a simulation of it on a 4k monitor using a toy
I don't think it's as simple as men gave up because porn exists. Porn existed thousands of years ago. Ease of access allows more men to turn to porn but I think there'd be less porn addicts if men were finding women they could form healthy families with. Instead we've got the modern hellscape where a huge swath of men in society have little to no chance at scoring any pussy and the women attached to said pussy are absolutely abominable and are backed by a legal system that will gleefully destroy these men. What's the motivation to grind and become worthy of a woman when the reward is a shitty woman who hates you and will blow up your life in two to twenty years because she got bored? That's a hard sell for a lot of guys out there, but that doesn't erase the biological urge to nut, so you get legions of men turning to porn.
Porn did not exist 1000 years ago if you're talking about: high definition, photo-realistic, any thing imaginable, any type of woman imaginable, any sex act imaginable, high speed terabytes of video, VR hedset, headphones with near perfect audio pornography.
Like how do you pretend that is similar to nude cave paintings or even a playboy magazine from 1973 which is already bad enough? Are you just being dishonest to not realize the affect that this is having?
Oh I very much realize the effect this is having, but I'm saying that this isn't something new, just a difference of degree/magnitude. But sure, let's zero in on porn and ignore the root problem. This is the rat with the heroin button all over again, if you put the rat in a healthy environment it doesn't bother with the heroin. Put people in a healthy environment and they won't be wallowing in porn because they're too busy banging their wife and living a fulfilling life.
You're not owed anything you bitter hag. Women have been wiping their asses with the social contract for decades. It's about time men stop being the retards left holding the bag.
They want mass censorship so they can monopolize the means of communication and their lies go unchallenged. Par for the course how evil these people are.
The funny thing I've playing a game that came out in 2016 and I found a line that is incredibly relevant. They know we know they know what the real problem is yet they hate the thought of being blamed for this pathetic outcome we live in now. They would like the men to also sleep in the fucking bed they made literally.
"And I don't know how to make it better. I am just as guilty as everyone else.
I don't even think we all want to be assholes. I almost got in a physical confrontation with a woman about five years ago. So it was pre covid also.
I thought it was perimenopause rage for me, but I think a lot of people are feeling it."
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"No one wants to hear this, and you can obviously do what you want, but in my personal opinion, we fix this by wearing properly fitting (over nose and mouth, no gaps between face and mask) N95 masks in all medical settings and in any setting where people cannot avoid going (all medical offices, public transit, veterinary offices, dental offices until we have to take the mask off, the DMV, etc"
What the &(^*^&.
This person's solution to people becoming impolite in public post COVID BS is to continue COVID BS forever. In particular, a form that disallows people from making the disarming facial expressions we have used since human's were a thing to deescalate.
Man I haven't seen mask cultism in the wild like that in so long.
These are 100% middle aged HR hags
Someone should link them that story about the psycho couple in Spain who locked themselves and their kids in with piles of their own shit for 4 years out of fear of covid. I bet they'd applaud their social distancing.
Blame pandemic, check. Give no examples, check. Short hair, fat, no make up, check. Demand we reintroduce masks, check. Hating on prettiness and able-ness, check. Blame everyone (but really men), check. Blame manosphere, check.
Everyone is angry now (post Covid-19.84), and everyone seems to assume the worst in others.
Well DUH!
We right-thinking folks who knew from the beginning it was a man-made virus from Wuhan's laboratory & were told we are racists. We who knew all the "masks & social distancing" stuff was made up. We who knew the fake "vaccines" were more deadly than the virus ever was. WE'RE PRETTY DARN ANGRY, yes.
And the Karens who had their moment of unbridled power are also mad because they have less than zero power now. If they act up we laugh at them, they are clowns.
I don't know if it's just because I'm aging and am no longer "young and hot" or "relevant" but it seems like men in general are being meaner or at least less nice to me in random places.
The manosphere hasn't even been that powerful or relevant in years. Almost all the "big names" are gone, hasbeens, or cancelled for being cucks.
The literal only "big name" that you can say is theoretically in it is Andrew Tate, and he is a joke that only retarded goblinos take seriously propped up by the news media.
Tate and the retards who screech about him are the only reason the mainstream is aware of it. Take that away and it goes back to being the niche online thing it was before 2022.
Ehh, it's not so much about it being relevant or powerful, it's that men have wisely taken to the ones offering good advice and suggestions and basically adopted a Fight Club mentality around it.
For instance, SSM has his channels and his dedicated followers -- even with YouTube's suppression he's still growing. You can't even mention his channel on other YouTube channels lest your comment get whisked away to the shadow realm. Bo Refec's channels have been stalled due to shadowbanning, but he still has a slowly growing community, same with Better Bachelor.
There are other manosphere adjacent channels as well, like Mediocre Tutorials and Knight Talk, as well as rapidly growing channels like John Griffin, who has adopted and continues to adopt many talking points from redpill talking heads like Rollo Tomassi.
What makes content creators like Griffin so engaging is because he's talking directly from experience that correlates directly with what guys like Rollo have been saying for over two decades. So there are a lot of middle-aged men that follow channels like Griffin and other post-divorcee men who have finally stopped taking the blue pill, and are collectively coming to the same kind of recognition of how NOT to treat women, or how NOT to give them attention.
Men aren't broadcasting this around because most of us all recognise the fragility of the loosely connected communities. We just explain our piece, encourage men to maintain their peace, and explain what red flags to look out for and avoid.
As this slowly spreads, women are obviously noticing as men are pulling back from social engagements with them, so they're blaming the "manosphere" as if it's a monolithic boogeyman. In reality, it's a disconnected yet growing frame of mentality many men post-30 are adopting, mostly in response to the gynocentric nature of modern day society.
Feminist cancers can never admit their cult caused the situation in western society today. It's always men that's the problem. Women and accountability are like superman and kryptonite.
There are a few mentions of the Overton Window in there, but each time, cause and effect are reversed. "Trump's reelection moved the Overton window right."
I don't even think I have anything to say about it. It's just mind-boggling that women and/or reddit bug people can't even perceive the arrow of time correctly.
The feedback loop of what you put out, gets mirrored back to you.
Such as this:
[–]AskWomenOver30-ModTeam[M]
At this time, men are NOT permitted to make top-level comments in r/AskWomenOver30. However you are encouraged to participate by asking questions and comment further downthread as long as you are providing a positive contribution to the subreddit.
And given that this is DNC-controlled Reddit, what do they even mean with 'men' and 'women'? :')
Blaming the manosphere won't get them husbands.
Women bring 1 thing to any relationship, which is kids, and if they don't want to do that, they are effectively worthless to men.
I'd argue a proper woman would also bring peace in the home. Your home should be a sanctuary from the strife of reality and a good wife would make sure thats the case.
It's usual projection. It's not men who got meaner, it's women. Men aren't the ones who changed from 1925 to 2025, it's women.
Women went from being very respectful to men, being appreciative of the role men played in society and being very nice and courteous to seeing men as the enemy. Women started acting mean towards men.
Men took notice and adapted by no longer going out of their way to be overly kind to women.
Women can easily change men's behavior if they want by being nice to men. The nicer women are to men, the nicer men will be to women. Women are the gender that changed the way they treat the other gender first. It's up to them to change back if they liked how things were before more.
Men have changed since the mid-70's too. We're generally much nicer than we used to be, by and large. Our reward is getting blamed for everything & treated like dirt. Like you said, it is women who've gotten nasty.
Nicer aka submissive and weak.
The ones talking about COVID have an decent take. Forced isolation of people did lead to a general "center-of-the-world" attitude. Online shipping, food delivery, streaming entertainment were already eroding a lot of basic passive social interaction. The lockdowns accelerated it.
A thing they're missing is the common courtesies they're talking about are rooted in living in a high-trust society. The West aren't those anymore. At least not in urban areas. They traded it for diversity. You'd think that could have resulted in in-group courtesy, but instead we got the outcome where everyone is looking out for themselves.
The split in that thread is fascinating. There's a reasoned group that has identified general shifts in social interaction and is theorizing on causes. Then there's a group that thinks men aren't holding doors open for them because they can type "big boob" and get a million results. The brainwashed portion is striking.
Their precious feminism played no small role in creating this situation.
I think the issue is that the in-group is tiny for any individual person, which is a result of living in a low-trust society as you mention. In the shithole metro area I live in a random white dude is only slightly more trustworthy than a diversity import. I certainly wouldn't consider them a member of my in-group until I have good reason to. So that leaves friends and family. We're Balkanized at a much lower level than demographic groups.
Well said. Most whites are not much more trust worthy due to conditioning. Strangely enough non whites are often generally happier and friendlier because they haven't been conditioned to hate themselves and white people are much. Whites are taught since day 1 this self hatred.
In general, yes, you're correct about high trust and diversity, but there's a more acute point about trust: covid. Everyone was more or less willing to go along to get along, but when two weeks turned into six months, unease and discontent was expressed by one portion of the population and these people specifically, reddit and/or female, slammed the gas pedal to the floor instead of letting up to see what the issue was.
Trust was crumbling before covid. But they took it out back and blew its brains out and now they wonder why it doesn't come around anymore.
Other than their solution being the rest of us accept permanent mask mandates in the name of shifting the Overton window. If the motherfuckers want to mandate anything to us, they had better have an actual army backing them up. So other than the treasonous dehumanization of us, it's a great take.
I mean lots of men are coomers and that takes away their motivation to really go through all the trouble of getting and maintaining a marriage with a woman.
Its constantly in the comments about how porn won't divorce you, my hand never betrays me etc, why bother with women when you have porn and sexdolls.
The human brain can't distinguish very well between having sex and a simulation of it on a 4k monitor using a toy
I don't think it's as simple as men gave up because porn exists. Porn existed thousands of years ago. Ease of access allows more men to turn to porn but I think there'd be less porn addicts if men were finding women they could form healthy families with. Instead we've got the modern hellscape where a huge swath of men in society have little to no chance at scoring any pussy and the women attached to said pussy are absolutely abominable and are backed by a legal system that will gleefully destroy these men. What's the motivation to grind and become worthy of a woman when the reward is a shitty woman who hates you and will blow up your life in two to twenty years because she got bored? That's a hard sell for a lot of guys out there, but that doesn't erase the biological urge to nut, so you get legions of men turning to porn.
Porn did not exist 1000 years ago if you're talking about: high definition, photo-realistic, any thing imaginable, any type of woman imaginable, any sex act imaginable, high speed terabytes of video, VR hedset, headphones with near perfect audio pornography.
Like how do you pretend that is similar to nude cave paintings or even a playboy magazine from 1973 which is already bad enough? Are you just being dishonest to not realize the affect that this is having?
Oh I very much realize the effect this is having, but I'm saying that this isn't something new, just a difference of degree/magnitude. But sure, let's zero in on porn and ignore the root problem. This is the rat with the heroin button all over again, if you put the rat in a healthy environment it doesn't bother with the heroin. Put people in a healthy environment and they won't be wallowing in porn because they're too busy banging their wife and living a fulfilling life.
You're not owed anything you bitter hag. Women have been wiping their asses with the social contract for decades. It's about time men stop being the retards left holding the bag.
They want mass censorship so they can monopolize the means of communication and their lies go unchallenged. Par for the course how evil these people are.
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The funny thing I've playing a game that came out in 2016 and I found a line that is incredibly relevant. They know we know they know what the real problem is yet they hate the thought of being blamed for this pathetic outcome we live in now. They would like the men to also sleep in the fucking bed they made literally.
waaaah men are mean to me WAAAAAHHH
Now let me go back to voting for everything that's against men
"And I don't know how to make it better. I am just as guilty as everyone else. I don't even think we all want to be assholes. I almost got in a physical confrontation with a woman about five years ago. So it was pre covid also. I thought it was perimenopause rage for me, but I think a lot of people are feeling it."
Reply
"No one wants to hear this, and you can obviously do what you want, but in my personal opinion, we fix this by wearing properly fitting (over nose and mouth, no gaps between face and mask) N95 masks in all medical settings and in any setting where people cannot avoid going (all medical offices, public transit, veterinary offices, dental offices until we have to take the mask off, the DMV, etc"
What the &(^*^&.
This person's solution to people becoming impolite in public post COVID BS is to continue COVID BS forever. In particular, a form that disallows people from making the disarming facial expressions we have used since human's were a thing to deescalate.
Man I haven't seen mask cultism in the wild like that in so long.
These are 100% middle aged HR hags
Someone should link them that story about the psycho couple in Spain who locked themselves and their kids in with piles of their own shit for 4 years out of fear of covid. I bet they'd applaud their social distancing.
They're definitely still wandering the streets here. My town is hell on earth.
No matter what the problem is their solution always involves controlling others. Funny how that works.
/r/ZeroCovidCommunity is a fun read if you need a reminder how utterly retarded some people are
Blame pandemic, check. Give no examples, check. Short hair, fat, no make up, check. Demand we reintroduce masks, check. Hating on prettiness and able-ness, check. Blame everyone (but really men), check. Blame manosphere, check.
So much delusion in that thread holy shit
You’re not entitled to favors from men, sweaty
Well DUH!
We right-thinking folks who knew from the beginning it was a man-made virus from Wuhan's laboratory & were told we are racists. We who knew all the "masks & social distancing" stuff was made up. We who knew the fake "vaccines" were more deadly than the virus ever was. WE'RE PRETTY DARN ANGRY, yes.
And the Karens who had their moment of unbridled power are also mad because they have less than zero power now. If they act up we laugh at them, they are clowns.
I'd bet good money this one was a Karen too.
Yes.
The manosphere hasn't even been that powerful or relevant in years. Almost all the "big names" are gone, hasbeens, or cancelled for being cucks.
The literal only "big name" that you can say is theoretically in it is Andrew Tate, and he is a joke that only retarded goblinos take seriously propped up by the news media.
Tate and the retards who screech about him are the only reason the mainstream is aware of it. Take that away and it goes back to being the niche online thing it was before 2022.
Ehh, it's not so much about it being relevant or powerful, it's that men have wisely taken to the ones offering good advice and suggestions and basically adopted a Fight Club mentality around it.
For instance, SSM has his channels and his dedicated followers -- even with YouTube's suppression he's still growing. You can't even mention his channel on other YouTube channels lest your comment get whisked away to the shadow realm. Bo Refec's channels have been stalled due to shadowbanning, but he still has a slowly growing community, same with Better Bachelor.
There are other manosphere adjacent channels as well, like Mediocre Tutorials and Knight Talk, as well as rapidly growing channels like John Griffin, who has adopted and continues to adopt many talking points from redpill talking heads like Rollo Tomassi.
What makes content creators like Griffin so engaging is because he's talking directly from experience that correlates directly with what guys like Rollo have been saying for over two decades. So there are a lot of middle-aged men that follow channels like Griffin and other post-divorcee men who have finally stopped taking the blue pill, and are collectively coming to the same kind of recognition of how NOT to treat women, or how NOT to give them attention.
Men aren't broadcasting this around because most of us all recognise the fragility of the loosely connected communities. We just explain our piece, encourage men to maintain their peace, and explain what red flags to look out for and avoid.
As this slowly spreads, women are obviously noticing as men are pulling back from social engagements with them, so they're blaming the "manosphere" as if it's a monolithic boogeyman. In reality, it's a disconnected yet growing frame of mentality many men post-30 are adopting, mostly in response to the gynocentric nature of modern day society.
Feminist cancers can never admit their cult caused the situation in western society today. It's always men that's the problem. Women and accountability are like superman and kryptonite.
There are a few mentions of the Overton Window in there, but each time, cause and effect are reversed. "Trump's reelection moved the Overton window right."
I don't even think I have anything to say about it. It's just mind-boggling that women and/or reddit bug people can't even perceive the arrow of time correctly.
The feedback loop of what you put out, gets mirrored back to you.
Such as this:
And given that this is DNC-controlled Reddit, what do they even mean with 'men' and 'women'? :')
This has got to be one of my new favorite phrases.
I thought these bitches wanted equality. Well there you go. No special treatment, be equal.