The games are examples only, I’m asking in the general sense and even beyond games into movies or books or whatever - where do you draw the line?
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I don't care how good the rest of KDC2 might be, I consider it the most egregious out of all of them for how much of a cucked faggot kike Varva turned out to be. He pretended to be 'based' when hyping the first one in the face of the media barrage for the crime of not having niggers in medieval bohemia, but after selling out he pulled a 180. Fuck him, and fuck his game.
Agreed. Layering wokeism on top of an otherwise good game is the equivalent of dropping a turd in a punchbowl.
If Daniel Vavra were a blue-haired they/them, there would be way less defense of KCD2. It's amazing how well putting on a "Based" t-shirt while shoving faggot shit and anti-White blood libel into a game works on stupid people. Notice that the New Discourses faggots chimed in to call critics of KCD2 "Woke Right" as well. It reeks of coordination.
This.
This is precisely why Embracer Group bought them out.
This is the new tactic. It's to infiltrate relatively good game projects and inculcate the demographic with subtly aggressive propaganda.
Normies will defend these media properties because they are relatively "fun" and the propaganda is no different than what the Left has been adding to every other form of Western media.
The "fun" propaganda is more insidious and effective. Baldur's Gate 3 and KCD 2 should be more concerning to us because they are good games and also function as subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) brainwashing. Propaganda is more effective when you enjoy consuming the propaganda.
Exactly.
It's why properties like Arcane are so dangerous, the amount of people defending and spreading it helps spread the Left's message, and has normies doing the work for the activists. Stuff like BG3 and KCD2 have the exact same effect.
For everyone claiming that "we're winning!", I don't see it that way at all. I see it as the Left adapting their tactics and infiltrating the masses with shifting the Overton window further Left via very successful subversion of "fun" entertainment media.
IMHO this is worse than some gay Veilguard that advertised itself as being gay and proud of it. With KCD2 it was hidden until it got leaked and relucently they said there was a black guy in it and gay sex. One is gay shit, the other is sneaky gay shit disguised as a game you'd wanna play. I know which one I think is worse.
100% spot on.
If this becomes the new trend, then the industry is lost.
I'd say it's degrees of stupid like it's one level to think that throwing a stone at a bear and running away at 8mph is a good idea (KCD2).
It's another to think that smoking in a petrol station that's known to have leaky pumps is ok (Veilguard)
And then there's covering yourself in BBQ sauce, walking into a lion enclosure and thinking because you smell nice the big kitties will love to cuddle you (Concord).
They all got idiots in charge but they have different braincell counts.
I have a couple of friends who bought KCD2, and they all say the game is a huge mechanical upgrade from the first. they are very impressed with the sword fighting and the sword fighting AI, and they feel they have more freedom to do things than they did in the first game.
this is why KCD2 succeeded despite bending the knee. The general audience ultimately cares about having a good game, the culture war comes second.
“Sword Fighting.”
"We're facing extinction due to the slow dissolution of our people/culture/hobby! Let's compromise our way out of this!"
The way I see it is there's an abundance of games in my backlog and classics I have yet to even buy. I'm older and don't have the time I used to for vidya, so I can afford to be as picky as I want with my own luxury time and money. I know I'll never get to all the games I want to play, so might as well prioritize the ones made by developers that don't hate me.
Any faggotry and wokery that clearly doesn't belong in the setting is a deal breaker for me. I don't care if woke games exist, I just don't want to play them.
Got more respect for Dustborn creators. They didn't lie about their beliefs
It's way more than one drop and is totally justified.
It's perfectly acceptable considering the fact KCD2 catered to the regressive left and conned people who hate those freaks into buying it.
We need to gatekeep harder
This is a gay question for a gay game. I can lump it into whatever category I want.
Zero tolerance for faggotry and unnecessary niggerness.
I think people need to be able to develop their own arguments and reasonings, which allow them to turn the dial as needed for what they are trying to say. As in, you can come here and talk about the fags and niggers and we all are with you on it but that's completely unhelpful in convincing a more average person about the problems.
The issue is, most people are just regurgitating what they saw on a Tweet or some Youtuber said. So all they have in their arsenal is the most clickbaity inflammatory lines to say, which makes them seem insane and easily dismissed. Those things can be completely truthful, but you are still downloading someone else's thoughts.
This isn't saying "you must play the game to criticize it." Only that you need to actually be able to articulate your point instead of saying "WOKE SHIT" to explain it as if that is self evident to the average person.
I’m not looking at convincing the average person of anything. I just want my period games to not be faggotized. That’s a pretty simple ask.
Cool, when you are the one buying the entire stock enough to fund these games all your own then you can be an island to yourself.
Otherwise, we need to convince these normal people to also not want them faggotized, and to be able to tell when they are in the first place.
But I do appreciate such a perfect example of my point.
Bro you’re in your teens or 20s.
The extremes move the needle. Remember that.
Man if I'm in my teens now then I was killing it posting on KIA1 11 years ago in diapers.
But good job continuing to prove my point. Someone more interested in virtue signalling how ultra based they are than accomplishing anything.
I think it is gay to intentionally refuse to make distinctions where distinctions exist.
At the same time, I am annoyed at people saying that quarter-decent agitprop like House of the Dragon (whose pirated episodes I to my shame must admit to having watched, and continuing to watch) 'excellent'. That's just dumbing down standards to "wokery is OK if you're in my face only 10% of the episode rather than 100%".
Most people are more than willing to die on a hill of "woke shit is okay if I liked it." They will invent dozens of arguments to support that, but all of them are working backwards from "I felt dopamine hits engaging with it, so it can't be evil like the rest of those evil wokes."
If all of us were honest, and I can guarantee a lot of people won't be, we all have our guilty pleasures that fail the purity test for woke. And that's fine, as long as we can also be honest in saying "I won't defend X, but I enjoyed it anyway."
A game where i have a mission to protect jews while also given the choice to have gay sex with a 15 year old boy.
You tell me what that is.
If it this was made by Laraian studio I would have said it was incredibly based.
KCD2 was not made in a vacuum, they wanted "historical realism" but now we have an a-historical black dude feminist lecturing you, they made it clear that Henry was straight to now turn him bi and from what I've seen from Synth playthrough, all women are bitches to Henry for no reason.
It's like you order a gourmet burger but you get a BigMac. The BigMac is still good but I'm not going to be happy.
Games, like movies and music, can be respected even if they have a political message.
There are interesting Leftist movies from yester-year, before the Left lost all capacity to be creative.
However, the problem is when there is a form of art that is being used subversively to hurt the people who are enjoying it.
The problem with the modern Left is that they are so retarded, and so insane, that they literally can't make anything of quality. The problem with the right is that rightists are not really into building art at all. It's a huge problem, because we need right-wing art, music, movies, and stories. However, the aesthetic is hard to master by people who have basically been blacklisted within creative spaces.
That's why we actually really need right-wing games. It allows people to explore ideas, even better than any other medium.
ITT: a bunch of centrists proving why they'll always be faggots and backstab any ostensibly right wing movement to regain favor from "the left."
something something build 1000 bridges
You're all fake and ghey! Now get back to the Funko Pop subreddit!
If you wish to "boycott" anything over anything then that is your prerogative and you shouldn't let people talk you out of, or into to it. Read their reasoning, try to find the truth, make a decision.
For my part the gay stuff is off-putting but not enough to not buy because allegedly it's an option you'd have to pursue in-game to actually encounter. If they had some gay developers saying "look at this gay stuff" would make it worse, I mean more than they are already.
I'm not buying because while KCD was a fantastic technical achievement I sucked way too much at the combat and am not keen for more. I had to cheese my way though the early story mission where you rescue the guy you can now turn into your best bottom buddy. Eventually I got bored after losing to bandits in the wild and thought that was enough.
[EDIT] Two final points. I have enough games to be playing I don't really need to buy more. I don't really think the default inaction of not-buying counts as a boycott.
What do you do about “purity spiraling” and “eating ourselves” like we often see tear apart organization on the left (like with Occupy Wallstreet for example)?
That wasn't a purity spiral, they got infiltrated. The banker class sent in their agitators to force the movement into going off target.
And that's when the Machine started heavily pushing racial politics and didn't let up. They knew they had no position to argue about how the largest companies most responsible for the recession were getting bailed out with tax dollars. The only way out was to inject Marxism to divide everyone and keep them distracted
Agreed that it wasn’t “organic” by any means, but I’d still say that the method {they} used to tear things apart was what could be called “purity spiraling” in the sense that the agitators and infiltrators were basically using early critical race theory to erode support for the “old white men” who would have otherwise acted as anchors for the movement
Which goes to show being 'colorblind' makes you retarded and vulnerable to parasites who will take advantage of your accommodations.
Fuck off. It wasn't a "purity spiral". The identarian left used exactly the same method by which the Neo-Marxist faggots took over AAA gaming. I'll spell it out for you.
Lack of gatekeeping caused the Occupy movement to fail. NOT excessive gatekeeping.
That you cant tell the difference shows that you are a massive faggot.
Lmfao
Sounds like what happened back then, sounds like what you faggots are screaming for ITT
Eh, a gay dating sim with improved sword mechanics and AI is still a gay dating sim. It's no purity spiral to lump games like that all in together.
If GTA San Andreas came out last year would it have been called woke by some for its ghetto focus and showing the (white) cop as corrupt? If New Vegas came out last year would it have been called woke by some for that gay Confirmed Batchelor perk (among other things)? If Halo came out last year would some people have criticized it for its “woke” interpretation of religion (the covenant)?
Somewhat rhetorical questions but I’m also interested in peoples opinions so I’m posting this under your comment even though it’s not a direct response. To your point about kcd2 specifically, I think we should be capable of discerning between games with 1% gay shit and 51% gay shit and 95% gay shit, but that doesn’t necessarily mean treating those games differently
The whole point of KCD2 is to slip subversive shit passed the defenses of people who would otherwise reject it. That's why it's not loaded with blue-haired they/thems. It's much more effective propaganda.
Which begs the question that if it's much more effective for being subtle, does the best defense to that mean treating it differently to the blatant ones rather than lumping them all together?
In that regard, sure. I don't think it deserves credit for being less pozzed than shit like Concord though.
Yeah, not saying it gets credit, if anything it's more dangerous for being more insidious. They used the subtle shit years and years ago to get the upper hand in the first place because it worked better, then once they had the upper hand they got lazy and blatant agenda pushing became the norm.
Even though the blatant shit is crashing and burning now, it does no good to get complacent and think just sperging out will solve everything. KCD2 is still well liked by the general public despite the quiet subversiveness. The subtle stuff needs to be carefully undermined in the public eye until the rose tinted glasses fall off before critique of their motives will be seriously listened to. Not just jumping headfirst into spamming that the game is fag loving anti-White Jewish propaganda to everyone.
Was that the whole point with Fallout NV? Why or why not?
Possibly. It's an old game so its political context is a distant memory. It doesn't change what KCD2 is either way.
Games weren't political back then, the point of NV was to have fun. Any sexual stuff was dealt with the same way as it had been in the older 2D games, by being vague and then fading to black without giving any details.
Or maybe you just didn’t treat them as political. 1/3 of the human companions were gay. The lesbian companion’s girlfriend is a key part of the DLC, the meta way to play is to pick the “give me gay dialogue” perk, and so on. If a game came out with those features today, many of the same people shitting their pants in this thread would be shitting their pants in their own threads on the subject
1% gay shit is a lot different in a world where the people who want it are merely obnoxious, as opposed to a world where they've gotten everything they've wanted for fifteen years and all its done is embolden them to publicly jerk themselves raw to fantasies of killing us. Things change, motivations are revealed, and new context is created.
"If x came out today" is one of the dishonest psychological hacks created by vicious little faggots that has wormed its way into public consciousness. It only works because most people mindlessly regurgitate on whatever dumb fucking meme they've been programmed with. So what if New Vegas coming out today would be treated differently? It's a different world, with different people and more history to draw upon. What fucking cretin is so detached that he would treat it the same today?
in New Vegas you can sell the faggot as a slave to the Evil Bad Guys, who are incidentally also given a full valid ending questline and at least a chance to justify themselves (Caesar's Hegelian stuff is a bit of nonsense, but the part where some say Legion territory is genuinely safe isn't nonsense). the Good Guy alternatives are realistically shown as having problems with corruption, or in House's case, megalomania.
in KCD2 you have to save jews and be called a dumb goy to progress, you have to get cucked by a mohammedan for the only normal relationship option, and you have to very carefully not press the gay sex button to continue the main questline.
if FNV came out today it still wouldn't be as bad as this shit, so it's not only dishonest like you said, but outright false.
You're either a gay retard or you're being disingenuous. Christ, at least use better examples. "Oh ho, if the original Metroid came out today you'd all call it woke for the end reveal that Samus was a woman the whole time, herp derp!" Fuck off. The gay shit matters now because we're all well aware where it's coming from and why it's being forced in.
You fucking mongoloids would call Metroid woke
If it came out today, sure. Because that ending wouldn't have just been a fun twist like it was in the 80s. Like imagine there was one final Halo game, and at the end Master Chief finally takes off his armor and we're presented with a ftm tranny, zipper tit scars and all. 99.9% of the game could have been classic Halo, but that last few seconds would have ruined it.
Only the impure worry about purity spirals. There is not enough gatekeeping on the right. After all the right is now ruled by someone who brags about ending segregation at Mar-A-Largo. The right is incapable of defending anything because it allows anyone in.
The only groups that can actually be groups are the one that restrict their membership.
Interesting to hear coming from a staunch atheist - where do you derive your absolutes from? Biology? Some philosophy?
The Occupy movement was always fake, all modern leftist protest movements are both fake and gay and were paid for by the US government.
This is the Jewest argument I’ve heard…this week!
Thanks for proving my point I guess
Oy vey?
Eh intolerance for the intolerant is lazy midwit opiate. For one there's other ways to eliminate things than naked intolerance, so you don't need to become intolerant if you for some reason think it's evil. For two, intolerance is neutral not evil. It's the reason you don't tolerate something that matters, not the intolerance itself.
You should be against something for the real root reason that it sucks.
And in the case of KCD2 that root reason is brain washing the useful idiots into helping ruin everything by erasing and replacing the ideals that eventually created a great society.
So yes, it still should be on the list. But being on the list doesn't mean you have to treat them all the same. When the attack is subtler so should your response if you're talking to normies. Veilguard and Concorde get open derision and insults for being blatant and ugly. KCD2 gets disappointment that they fell off and how it's bland and soulless compared to the first one, it forgot the dedication to its roots that made it great and focused too much on including all the weird outliers and lost it's luster (ahem, like an allegory for society, ahem)
Again with the lazy simplifications. Being louder doesn't push the window any further than being subtle, as long as both are still pushing for the same goals subtle can push just as far and is less likely to engage defensiveness in the undecided.
It works better, not worse. The downside to subtle is it takes more work. So if you don't need to be subtle it's more efficient to be brash and fast instead.
I guess it makes sense that the brand new handshake called urafag doesn't understand how subtlety works, disappointing nonetheless.