The games are examples only, I’m asking in the general sense and even beyond games into movies or books or whatever - where do you draw the line?
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The whole point of KCD2 is to slip subversive shit passed the defenses of people who would otherwise reject it. That's why it's not loaded with blue-haired they/thems. It's much more effective propaganda.
Was that the whole point with Fallout NV? Why or why not?
Possibly. It's an old game so its political context is a distant memory. It doesn't change what KCD2 is either way.
Games weren't political back then, the point of NV was to have fun. Any sexual stuff was dealt with the same way as it had been in the older 2D games, by being vague and then fading to black without giving any details.
Or maybe you just didn’t treat them as political. 1/3 of the human companions were gay. The lesbian companion’s girlfriend is a key part of the DLC, the meta way to play is to pick the “give me gay dialogue” perk, and so on. If a game came out with those features today, many of the same people shitting their pants in this thread would be shitting their pants in their own threads on the subject
The industry wasn't profitable enough to draw the attention of big outside investors with agendas yet. There was some degenerate stuff, but it was never explicit or worse than it had been in the original games and a post-apocalyptic dystopian setting isn't supposed to be a nice place in any case. But if they make a Fallout 5, you can bet on DEI being the core of the game, characters being intentionally ugly, and faggotry being fully animated and pornographic.
Which begs the question that if it's much more effective for being subtle, does the best defense to that mean treating it differently to the blatant ones rather than lumping them all together?
In that regard, sure. I don't think it deserves credit for being less pozzed than shit like Concord though.
Yeah, not saying it gets credit, if anything it's more dangerous for being more insidious. They used the subtle shit years and years ago to get the upper hand in the first place because it worked better, then once they had the upper hand they got lazy and blatant agenda pushing became the norm.
Even though the blatant shit is crashing and burning now, it does no good to get complacent and think just sperging out will solve everything. KCD2 is still well liked by the general public despite the quiet subversiveness. The subtle stuff needs to be carefully undermined in the public eye until the rose tinted glasses fall off before critique of their motives will be seriously listened to. Not just jumping headfirst into spamming that the game is fag loving anti-White Jewish propaganda to everyone.