Anime is like anything else: 90% garbage, 9% decent, 1% brilliant. But modern western entertainment succeeds at about half those rates, so anime is probably about twice as good.
I wouldn't say garbage, just niche. It used to be the same in the West with how daytime dramas were designed for housewives, afternoon family, late night adults.
The problem was the West went with 'inclusivity' and ended up making products for some made up general audience so became bland mush usually filled with ideology.
Asia still has the niche audiences it appeals to and can turn a slight livable wage on since you can get dedicated audience of weebs that want to read about the vampire loli with a edgy hero.
20 years ago it would have been considered garbage. Generic Identical Isekai Number 6524304072 isn't worth watching no matter who you are. But the sad reality is, "not worth watching" is actually no longer even close to the bottom of the barrel. Now if a show doesn't try to groom children or incite race riots it's halfway decent. Just being bland and forgettable is considered a positive, because at least it's not actively harmful.
You do have a point with some things as I have dropped shows in the past that were just so mind numbingly boring, but they've never directly insulted me as a viewer unlike a lot of Western franchises.
Honestly looking at the 90s, I can't believe people were so spoiled. Icons like Sailor Moon holding up the mainstream and masterpieces like the Samurai X OVA at the high end.
High craftsmanship anime seems like it's making a comeback with MAPPA and Makoto Shinkai, but it's still not at the same heights.
Evangelion is kinda trash tho. It's literally Ano venting about his personal issues, the symbolism goes nowhere and the freudian psychoanalysis themes didn't age the best, if it wasn't for the incidental bait and switch it made, it wouldn't have been as popular. Also, Ideon existed before.
Its biggest mistake was spawining a bunch of pseudo-intellectual redditors who think they are better than the rest of anime watchers because muh media literacy™
The rebuilds are the best example, they exist in a quantum state of being trash Ano made to own the coomers by selling more merch yet again and achkyually being 2deep4u masterpieces because Shinji finally touched grass and got himself a gf
Don't confuse the annoying part of the fanbase with the product. Evangelion is a masterpiece. The "deconstruction" is meta commentary that really is beside the point of the work itself.
EoE is an achievement of excess and the rebuilds are pointless failures.
Eva is the anime everyone thought was deep and meaningful because they watched it when they were a stupid teenager. People hyped it up to me for years and when I finally got around to watching it I was thoroughly underwhelmed. It was just a bad, unlikeable show with no redeeming qualities other than the penguin.
Sadly, even the 90%garbage now is even better than what western series have become. I can find enjoyment in random isekai number 47373 as opposed to a show which is a continuiation from an old classic that tries to shit on the old fans and dress down fan favorite characters. Even the non existent my little sister thing could be enjoyable over what they have done in recent years with TV series (need I remind people about how they cucked he man for example?).
I am just so fed up with these tourists, you hated my hobby when I was a kid, now you claim to know more than me and call it "problematic".
Tourists should be forced to watch deliberately weird shows like Kamen no Maid Guy or Angel's Egg before they're allowed to see the classics. I don't want my hobbies to be popular, I want them to be populated by people who genuinely enjoy them for what they are.
They should sit through the cold open, first 50 seconds of episode 1 of "A Little Sister Is All You Need" (this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9tp-TuJtA ), have it pause right before the 3rd-wall-break of the editor asking "what the fuck is this degenerate shit?", and asked their opinions on how the show will progress.
Anyone with any opinion at all there is welcome, any views as to the story progression. Anyone who simply blindly castigates the scene/series/medium should be filtered out. Anyone who either accurately predicts a fake open or who instead just wants to know the story about the resurrected girl should be welcomed with open arms.
Nobody likes "My Cute Little Sister's 7th Grade Gooning Adventure". That's the shitty season where they jumped the shark. Everyone knows that "My Cute Little Sister's 6th Grade Gooning Adventure" is where it's at.
Clearly tourist tastes. Everyone knows 6th was peak cinema, the best blend of surrealist humor and inside references to the past 3 cours, it was a love letter to the franchise! 7th was just a lousy cash grab, the series wrapped up nicely.
A bad rep is inevitable due to the frothing at the mouth subset of the fan base that is obnoxiously pro loli. Sexualizing kids will always turn off a majority of the people in the world, animated or not. And shouting "free speech!" at them isn't going to change their mind. It will just make them more wary of the entire medium and assume that you are a pedophile.
It's similar to how defenders of the education system act like the institution is sacred and beyond reproach while the public sees drag queen story hour being implemented with no push back from within.
So ignore the attacks and watch whatever you want to watch, because nothing is changing any time soon.
Ghibli movies play at movie theaters constantly. I can guarantee that's where they've seen them, because I know lots of people who've only seen anime period that way.
They'll fucking win against anime in the end. It will take a while, but I think they'll win. But that's alright. They'll take enough away from people who just want to be left alone, that the cycle will repeat.
Also, bitch needs to take Studio Ghibli out of her mouth. Ghibli is great, you don't get to use it to shit on all the entirety of anime just because it might not be as good as the masterpieces.
99% of the trashiest of trash anime is still better than most of modern Western entertainment, and her Pokimane-looking ass can sit the fuck down.
They'll win against anime, but anime is only a fraction of its own industry. Its the most front facing part of the manga/lightnovel/doujin treadmill, but its also the most commitment heavy and costly. They can subvert it, but they'll never be able to stop all those other forms because the barrier for entry is so low.
So it doesn't matter if they win. Most of the same stories will get told, you'll just need to read it instead of watch it. And the sheer mass scale of scanlaters mean they can't even control the flow of those to Western countries.
Even Miyazaki hates Miyazaki, its why he is constantly pissy and tantrumming about anime being awful and evil while he continues to make more of it. Its pure projection on his part.
Ironically, Disney became a worse version of what he bemoaned the anime industry of. You can't look at the movies they make today and claim those writers know how real people act
wow, tourist. everyone knows My Cute Little Sister's 7th Grade Gooning Adventure is actually a kino story about discovering how to slay demons using the power of the gods and sexy thigh-highs on children. you just can't appreciate fucking art fucking libtard puritan degenerate who is actually a child predator because being against pedophiles obviously means you are one and i can't make up my mind about anything. just let people enjoy things, okay?
Anime always had the reputation of being weird and strange but people used to just accept it as its own thing and as Japan being Japan. . But it wasn't until recently (Around covid time actually) when it became mainstream it of course brought in all the trouble makers and activists(aka tourists) who started acting up and condemning people over fiction.
It's sad that I'd trade in all of these modern retards for actually psychotic 90's weeb anime freaks, at this point.
Those people were fucking trouble - I'm talking the really obsessed ones - but at least they weren't actual subversives. They were just weirdos. They weren't trans, and they didn't hate the West or anything. They were creepy, they were a bit dangerous under the right circumstances, but they weren't the enemy of civilization. And they largely grew out of it.
It's not that it isn't weird anymore, it's because troons and feminists are deciding what's acceptable. They'd push "My Cute Little Sister's 7th Grade Gooning Adventure" if it was yurifag or trap shit
They'd push it even if it only had a yaoi couple side-characters in it.
Just look at Cardcaptor Sakura. Because that IS the series being described: Some young girl being put in fetish outfits by her best friend (who likes to film it) while her older brother and his gay lover watch over them.
The problem with anime is that there is a regressive age dynamic going on.
In the eighties, kids watched young adult characters take on the challenges of adulthood. In the late nineties and onward, the ever older anime audience is watching ever younger characters deal with adult situations, resulting in a 'refusal-to-grow-up' influence.
Anime is brain rot in its current form. Rage-crying adolescent humps need to be stamped into a bloody mess by young adult characters (who actually look grown up and aren't ersatz adolescent place holders.)
Keep in mind this account is the better part of a year old, it just hasn't done much in all that time except make 2 threads and 4 comments, highlighting my point in other threads about how a handshake doesn't automatically mean a new account.
Their age adds weight to my request. This lurker has been around for over 8 months and hasn't added to discussion here. Now he posts an example of what he doesn't like and leaves a comment underneath to say 'stop making these posts,' expecting people to listen.
No one likes tourists because they ruin hobbies, but lets be clear any dating little sister series are pretty fucked, and give anime a bad rap on their own, don't require a tourist being aghast at it for that to still be true.
Anime is like anything else: 90% garbage, 9% decent, 1% brilliant. But modern western entertainment succeeds at about half those rates, so anime is probably about twice as good.
I wouldn't say garbage, just niche. It used to be the same in the West with how daytime dramas were designed for housewives, afternoon family, late night adults.
The problem was the West went with 'inclusivity' and ended up making products for some made up general audience so became bland mush usually filled with ideology.
Asia still has the niche audiences it appeals to and can turn a slight livable wage on since you can get dedicated audience of weebs that want to read about the vampire loli with a edgy hero.
20 years ago it would have been considered garbage. Generic Identical Isekai Number 6524304072 isn't worth watching no matter who you are. But the sad reality is, "not worth watching" is actually no longer even close to the bottom of the barrel. Now if a show doesn't try to groom children or incite race riots it's halfway decent. Just being bland and forgettable is considered a positive, because at least it's not actively harmful.
You do have a point with some things as I have dropped shows in the past that were just so mind numbingly boring, but they've never directly insulted me as a viewer unlike a lot of Western franchises.
I'll take bad over insulting. I'd rather watch a bad show that's kina boring than one that lectures me on how terrible I am.
Not really, you missed the decades when every show tried to be Gundam, so you had generic identical space mecha number 3638579, instead
Sure, but we knew they sucked back then. Nowadays they'd be considered bland but watchable.
Honestly looking at the 90s, I can't believe people were so spoiled. Icons like Sailor Moon holding up the mainstream and masterpieces like the Samurai X OVA at the high end.
High craftsmanship anime seems like it's making a comeback with MAPPA and Makoto Shinkai, but it's still not at the same heights.
The same year that gave us Neon Genesis Evangelion (1995-96 TV season) produced countless trash.
So you're right.
Evangelion is kinda trash tho. It's literally Ano venting about his personal issues, the symbolism goes nowhere and the freudian psychoanalysis themes didn't age the best, if it wasn't for the incidental bait and switch it made, it wouldn't have been as popular. Also, Ideon existed before.
Its biggest mistake was spawining a bunch of pseudo-intellectual redditors who think they are better than the rest of anime watchers because muh media literacy™
The rebuilds are the best example, they exist in a quantum state of being trash Ano made to own the coomers by selling more merch yet again and achkyually being 2deep4u masterpieces because Shinji finally touched grass and got himself a gf
Eva made me realize I needed to get my life straightened out.
So I'll always love it.
Good for you, I'm more of a Gurren Lagann guy, Eva got me into psychology at least, so that's fun.
I just wish it didn't spawn a wave of pseudo-intellectual anitubers who think all anime is secretly satire
I watched it knowing they only put the Christian symbols in because they thought they looked cool.
Which they do.
Then again, I also first saw it when I was 40.
I'll never begrudge Japan for that. If anything, more people should be thinking that Christianity looks cool.
Problem being that its all in the same puddle with a load of other religions to them.
So they will be putting the coolest looking Jesus next to 4 Gnostic demons, a Hindu god, 3 Yokai, and Zeus.
Which is cool, but very offensive to a lot of people to put some of those on the same level as others. Especially the Gnostic ones.
Don't confuse the annoying part of the fanbase with the product. Evangelion is a masterpiece. The "deconstruction" is meta commentary that really is beside the point of the work itself.
EoE is an achievement of excess and the rebuilds are pointless failures.
Eva is the anime everyone thought was deep and meaningful because they watched it when they were a stupid teenager. People hyped it up to me for years and when I finally got around to watching it I was thoroughly underwhelmed. It was just a bad, unlikeable show with no redeeming qualities other than the penguin.
Eva is more obfuscated than than deep. It's surprising the amount of people who don't know what Eva is really about
>Fall 1995
Eva and... Ghost in the Shell, Golden Boy, Gunsmith Cats, and El-Hazard.
You've got a good point, but that's a rough season to use as an example.
Then again, Winter 1996 gave us MD Geist 2: Death Force, so maybe it's not the worst example after all.
Wasn't 1995 also the year FOX ran Escaflowne?
Apparently not until 2000. English VHS in 1998. Original JP run Spring 1996.
Sadly, even the 90%garbage now is even better than what western series have become. I can find enjoyment in random isekai number 47373 as opposed to a show which is a continuiation from an old classic that tries to shit on the old fans and dress down fan favorite characters. Even the non existent my little sister thing could be enjoyable over what they have done in recent years with TV series (need I remind people about how they cucked he man for example?).
I am just so fed up with these tourists, you hated my hobby when I was a kid, now you claim to know more than me and call it "problematic".
Tourists should be forced to watch deliberately weird shows like Kamen no Maid Guy or Angel's Egg before they're allowed to see the classics. I don't want my hobbies to be popular, I want them to be populated by people who genuinely enjoy them for what they are.
Bitch propably doesn't even know Watanabe also made Space Dandy
They should sit through the cold open, first 50 seconds of episode 1 of "A Little Sister Is All You Need" (this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9tp-TuJtA ), have it pause right before the 3rd-wall-break of the editor asking "what the fuck is this degenerate shit?", and asked their opinions on how the show will progress.
Anyone with any opinion at all there is welcome, any views as to the story progression. Anyone who simply blindly castigates the scene/series/medium should be filtered out. Anyone who either accurately predicts a fake open or who instead just wants to know the story about the resurrected girl should be welcomed with open arms.
How about mad bull 34?
Nobody likes "My Cute Little Sister's 7th Grade Gooning Adventure". That's the shitty season where they jumped the shark. Everyone knows that "My Cute Little Sister's 6th Grade Gooning Adventure" is where it's at.
Clearly tourist tastes. Everyone knows 6th was peak cinema, the best blend of surrealist humor and inside references to the past 3 cours, it was a love letter to the franchise! 7th was just a lousy cash grab, the series wrapped up nicely.
A bad rep is inevitable due to the frothing at the mouth subset of the fan base that is obnoxiously pro loli. Sexualizing kids will always turn off a majority of the people in the world, animated or not. And shouting "free speech!" at them isn't going to change their mind. It will just make them more wary of the entire medium and assume that you are a pedophile.
It's similar to how defenders of the education system act like the institution is sacred and beyond reproach while the public sees drag queen story hour being implemented with no push back from within.
So ignore the attacks and watch whatever you want to watch, because nothing is changing any time soon.
>studio ghibli and cowboy bebop
>either of those shows
You're more of a tourist than she is.
He clearly meant Cowboy Bebop and My Cute Little Sister's 7th Grade Gooning Adventure.
Ah. I guess you could read it that way. I limited the reference to things that actually exist.
So did I.
Ghibli movies play at movie theaters constantly. I can guarantee that's where they've seen them, because I know lots of people who've only seen anime period that way.
They'll fucking win against anime in the end. It will take a while, but I think they'll win. But that's alright. They'll take enough away from people who just want to be left alone, that the cycle will repeat.
Also, bitch needs to take Studio Ghibli out of her mouth. Ghibli is great, you don't get to use it to shit on all the entirety of anime just because it might not be as good as the masterpieces.
99% of the trashiest of trash anime is still better than most of modern Western entertainment, and her Pokimane-looking ass can sit the fuck down.
They'll win against anime, but anime is only a fraction of its own industry. Its the most front facing part of the manga/lightnovel/doujin treadmill, but its also the most commitment heavy and costly. They can subvert it, but they'll never be able to stop all those other forms because the barrier for entry is so low.
So it doesn't matter if they win. Most of the same stories will get told, you'll just need to read it instead of watch it. And the sheer mass scale of scanlaters mean they can't even control the flow of those to Western countries.
Sucking off Ghibli is the most basic bitch shit ever. Even Hosoda mocks Miyazaki.
Also they are the ones bitching how Faye is gooning material. Look at the CB Netflix series
Even Miyazaki hates Miyazaki, its why he is constantly pissy and tantrumming about anime being awful and evil while he continues to make more of it. Its pure projection on his part.
Ironically, Disney became a worse version of what he bemoaned the anime industry of. You can't look at the movies they make today and claim those writers know how real people act
Anime gave itself a bad rep.
Wish it had a worse rep, so cunts like that would keep themselves away from it
wow, tourist. everyone knows My Cute Little Sister's 7th Grade Gooning Adventure is actually a kino story about discovering how to slay demons using the power of the gods and sexy thigh-highs on children. you just can't appreciate fucking art fucking libtard puritan degenerate who is actually a child predator because being against pedophiles obviously means you are one and i can't make up my mind about anything. just let people enjoy things, okay?
Obv arachnophobia means you secretly want to fuck spiders :)
Anime always had the reputation of being weird and strange but people used to just accept it as its own thing and as Japan being Japan. . But it wasn't until recently (Around covid time actually) when it became mainstream it of course brought in all the trouble makers and activists(aka tourists) who started acting up and condemning people over fiction.
It's sad that I'd trade in all of these modern retards for actually psychotic 90's weeb anime freaks, at this point.
Those people were fucking trouble - I'm talking the really obsessed ones - but at least they weren't actual subversives. They were just weirdos. They weren't trans, and they didn't hate the West or anything. They were creepy, they were a bit dangerous under the right circumstances, but they weren't the enemy of civilization. And they largely grew out of it.
It's not that it isn't weird anymore, it's because troons and feminists are deciding what's acceptable. They'd push "My Cute Little Sister's 7th Grade Gooning Adventure" if it was yurifag or trap shit
They'd push it even if it only had a yaoi couple side-characters in it.
Just look at Cardcaptor Sakura. Because that IS the series being described: Some young girl being put in fetish outfits by her best friend (who likes to film it) while her older brother and his gay lover watch over them.
And they love it.
The problem with anime is that there is a regressive age dynamic going on.
In the eighties, kids watched young adult characters take on the challenges of adulthood. In the late nineties and onward, the ever older anime audience is watching ever younger characters deal with adult situations, resulting in a 'refusal-to-grow-up' influence.
Anime is brain rot in its current form. Rage-crying adolescent humps need to be stamped into a bloody mess by young adult characters (who actually look grown up and aren't ersatz adolescent place holders.)
Silence, hole
Berserk is really all that matters.. who gives a shit about anything else.
Then just post things you want to see more of, handshake.
Keep in mind this account is the better part of a year old, it just hasn't done much in all that time except make 2 threads and 4 comments, highlighting my point in other threads about how a handshake doesn't automatically mean a new account.
Their age adds weight to my request. This lurker has been around for over 8 months and hasn't added to discussion here. Now he posts an example of what he doesn't like and leaves a comment underneath to say 'stop making these posts,' expecting people to listen.
No one likes tourists because they ruin hobbies, but lets be clear any dating little sister series are pretty fucked, and give anime a bad rap on their own, don't require a tourist being aghast at it for that to still be true.