Nick Kristoff -Here’s Why We Shouldn’t Demean Trump Voters
[T]he liberal impulse has been to demonize anyone at all sympathetic to Donald Trump as a racist and bigot. This has been politically foolish, for it’s difficult to win votes from people you’re ...
Doesn't sound like a sister to me. Sounds like just another enemy.
I hate the idea that we should ostracize family members due to their opinions.
That being said, that strategy hasn't really been working out for us.
Some people really are too far gone, too useful, too idiotic.
I hate the idea that I should try to live and let live with people who think the Stazi was a good start. With people who think it's right and proper to "cancel" me for not taking a poisonous fake vaccine. With people who would like to put a tax on white skin.
I don't care if they're blood. They stopped being family when they started being leftists.
Sic semper sinister.
Good news, they'll do it for you when they ostracise you first for the same reason, if they haven't already done so or started mentally prepping to do so.
There is a large valley that people jump over to keep their black and white thinking. Which is between "just accept them they are family" and "cut them the fuck out completely," to absolve them of any responsibility to help pull them out of the madness.
And most importantly, absolving themselves of failing to protect their own family from the cult thinking. Because if they had paid attention earlier, I'd wager it never would have gotten this bad. Maybe that time was 10+ years ago, but there was a time.
There is a point where you cannot save someone, family or not, but denying the Left a footsoldier in your own clan should always be the first thought in your mind rather than "how can I do nothing about this?"
My sibling works at a university. Everyone she works with, everyone responsible for her promotion (or lack of) is a Neo-Marxist. Her entire working career has been there. Her mentor received a lifetime achievement award for contributions to the field of Critical Theory, which is literal Neo-Marxist theory.
They may not be very Neo-Marxist, but that is like saying they are the least retarded kid on the short bus.
When should I have stepped in?
Probably before she made the decision to enter a career where her entire life would require sucking up to and being surrounded by Marxists. Unless she was of course that much older than you that you were too young to do so.
Its certainly not always a possible course but, as I said, its a large valley of consideration between the extreme position of "said woke shit, never speaking to them again they are lost forever."
So, while she was away at University, I should have persuaded her to give up her studies and take up a trade?
Or should I have pre-empted her career right out of high school?
Did you know what "woke" was right out of high school? I didn't.
Woke wasn't a formulated thing before I left high school but I was a staunch anti-feminist beforehand which is probably the equivalent of the time. And that was from the ease of looking around and saying "hey this don't seem right" so its not like it took me a lot of intelligence to do so.
I also managed to get 7 years of education in the Psychology field, where Woke is literally born, without becoming one of them. Mostly thanks to the help of friends who'd call me retarded when the indoctrination was small enough to not be rooted and their help explaining how the manipulation of facts worked.
And then I realized on my own after the end of that how much I'd have to sell my soul to continue in said industry and moved on into other work.
So the answer to all your "please absolve me of having been able to do anything" questions is that it is possible yes. Not a guarantee, as some people are simply born to be that way, but, again, there is a large valley of things you could try before you write somebody off as a lost cause just because its easier for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuCmfsrzQUE&t=94s
Our strategy has many problems, but I don't think "not ostracizing family members" is the cause of its lack of success.
If someone is insufferable, cut him off. If someone is dangerous, cut him off. Other than that, there is no harm in being an anchor of sanity.
No. Still my sister, for as long as I live. If I could just throw her over, I would've never posted. The trouble is she's blood.
Why associate with people who hate you and want you dead, and kids raped and trannified?
I've never encountered anyone like that in real life. Most leftists are leftists because they repeat what they see on TV.
What, exactly, am I meant to "do about it"?
You don't actually have to do anything. Just be honest with her and the rest of the family about your political beliefs and call out her cultish behavior. She'll either moderate her ideology enough to be tolerable (at least around you) or she'll throw YOU over, showing how much she really cares about blood. Either way problem solved.
I'd rather die than give up my blond blood.
You sound like a shitskin.
Lol WHAT? Are there Targaryens about?
Most shitskins put family above everything. I don't think there is anything I could do that would make my family turn its back on me.
Surely she feels the same way about you, right? Right?!
I have a similar situation with my sister. The way I see it is that she still talks to me and cares about me, so she isn't too far gone. If that ever changes, I will cut her off. I would much rather keep her around and convince her to pull her head out of her ass than to just write her off. Good luck man.
Did she try to get you to take the fake vaccine?
Never took it, never asked another person if they took it.
You should consider doing the latter. That way you know who's going to get cancer first.
I read most of that thread.
There is zero understanding about what motivates Trump voters, and their side does an excellent job of weaving a narrative that prevents them from humanizing their opposition. All they have is moral posturing, all done from a good guy bad buy dynamic, with them as the heros of their own story. You can see this in the reaction to some of the posters who leave comments who obviously still have empathy for the Trump voter PoV. What do they get in response? Pure vitriol, and social shaming.
It's a cult, no other way to say it.
It truly is a cult. That thread was astonishing for me to read.
Because the left employs projection as a weapon.
They "believe" what their thought leaders tell them, but yes you can't reason someone out of an opinion they didn't reason themselves into.
Why do they have such an urge to be the hero, or even just "good guys"? I don't care if people think I'm a good person. That's between me and God. Leftists are obsessed with being on the right side. There must be some deep psych issues.
Leftists know they're not the "good guys". This is what frustrates them so much.
The alternative is having nihilism take over as they realize they're insignificant specks of dust in an uncaring universe. Not everyone can become an Ubermensch.
They still believe we all watch Fox News lmao
They constantly name drop Fox News north of the border partly because there is no domestic establishment right-of-center TV broadcaster still standing.
That, and because anti-leftism at this point is extremely decentralized and Internet-bound. And pretty much as "grass roots" as you can get, because the majority of it spawns from just how many people are simply sick and tired of their bullshit.
No leaders or spokespeople, no corporate backing. Etc. Which is likely why they've simply resorted to branding anti-leftists as terrorists, extremists, and/or goaded by "foreign agents".
It's insane when you think about it. A begrudged sentiment within the broad and common populous, is considered xyz solely for not having any money, leaders, or authority behind it. And their crime? Disagreeing with the leftist narrative and not wanting to go along with their plans.
Edit: Trump being a populist of sorts though, is the closest to a leader they can identify.
FauX nEWs amirite guise!?!
Leftists have been rehashing such strawmen for 10+ years, and it's hilarious how dramatically out of touch and inaccurate it is.
Also reminds me of those alleged polls that tried to claim that both political extremes "don't understand the other side at all". Time and time again I only see how accurate this is when we're talking about leftists. Most people who actively hate leftists as far as I've seen understand their motives and reasoning quite well.
Remember, you are hated. Prepare accordingly.
Lol, that's the one lesson that was repeated to me over and over my entire life.
Ah, so that's what the knife is for! 🗡 🐀
I've been mugged before, too.
Don't apply your values and virtues to scorpions that would take your mercy and stab you in the back at the first opportunity.
If you're advocating death and violation not because of actions but simple beliefs, you don't deserve any benefit of the doubt.
We grew up very differently, She in the US, me in the UK from 14 (boarding school), but I live here now so I went to hers for the weekend. shocked at how hard Left she is. Kept my own counsel on my beliefs, but am genuinely shocked. Her husband is entirely beaten down, but she was always like that. What shocks me most is that our Father was a Trump voter and she laps up the kind of murderous shit I read in that thread. He was only ever very kind to her.
Indoctrination centres are a real thing, we just rename them schools and social media 'communities'
Sounds like she's gone full on cultist, if she isolates your father too then there's no going back barring a VERY traumatic event.
Oh absolutely not. My Father was a very decent man. My Mother was a feminist. I think that says it all.
Show her all the videos of migrants being violent and killing native White people.
Trust me, I've tried. The Rotherham/Rochdale/Oxford+ rape gangs? She doesn't care.
Can't wait until Monday night when I get out of here
Edited to add: I showed her the incredible Undercover Mosque, made before Muslims became Sainted (tho rapey & murderey) Creatures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlnnvCDBMOY
Told me I was merely "against Muslims". IMAGINE watching U.M. and concluding that.
Trying not to loathe.
Why, yes. What you showed her is a good reason to be against them.
They cope with the lies and denials by projecting their insecurities and fears onto groups. It’s always “We” and “Them” but never nuances or bad individuals.
Family died with the greatest generation Boomers have no clue how to run a house.
They really are just horrible at family. In my own family, the boomers do nothing but bicker over stupid shit constantly, judge everyone else, gossip, it’s horrible. All have broken up their lives and immediate families often multiple times. Within my family, this isn’t a problem at all with the older or younger generation, just the boomers. When the boomers talk about family, what they mean is “how will others serve me for the privilege of being related to me?”
All the boomers I know are constantly engaged in the most pettiest gossip, Mean Girls, clique forming and brownosing neighborhood drama shit.
Greatest generation were fucked up too. They raised the boomers on Hollywood bullshit
Your sister has been captured by a completely socially acceptable and state-endorsed cult where you and people like you are their arch villains. Something might eventually be able to bring her around, but that won't be you. Take that to heart and defend yourself from any damage she might be able to inflict upon you, because I guarantee you she is capable of it.
Firstly, that's a terrible way to decide things.
Secondly...yes, and unironically. Trump supporters are thoughtful and considerate, compared to your average liberal.
Leftists have even killed multiple Trump supporters for their politics. Trump supporters aren't out murdering leftists.
Even though Trump supporters have nearly all the guns.
It really is amazing. I think part of it is lack of impulse control, and the other is the cultist thinking that let's them justify nearly anything.
And I'm not even talking just dyed in the wool leftists...most of the violent crime in general comes from those who vote Democrat. It's a bit of a chicken and the egg thing, and I'm not saying Dems are inherently violent...but Dems court the votes of low information (perhaps low IQ) people, which leads to the impulse control and crime issue.
I wish we had an actual media; that would solve a lot of the issues. It's hard to believe that so many people believe what they're told, and have this idea that rightwingers are violent thugs, who are obsessed with guns (somewhat true) and violence (untrue.)
You know how unhinged the posts we see from them on public websites are? They're a hundred times nastier when they think nobody's looking.
From the comments:
I'm seeing a lot of projection.
"The NYT is Trump’s personal PR machine."
I'm seeing a lot of nuclear grade stupid.
Almost everything I see coming from these types reminds me of that Stonetoss cartoon where a guy has put them in concentration camps and says "honestly, we weren't planning on it but they wouldn't stop punching us".
It really do be like that.
As I said in my other comment...leftists have literally assassinated random Trump supporters for their politics, and more than once.
If leftists can't behave, of course they'd need to be controlled, if the right ever actually gets in power.
TTD
Her future sounds unpleasant
If everyone that didn't take the faccine made appointments causing the diagnostics tests to be scheduled further out then it already is, the people that did take the faccine wouldn't make it to their appointments. Modern medicine may be keeping them alive, but modern pettiness can solve that problem.