Here is a detailed post about how the South Korean Lolisho ban, posted for reference.
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reminder that SK is ran by a hardcore feminist cult called "daughters of megalia", who have used previous prime minister (and probably plenty of them before) as puppets to push anti-male laws
another reminder is that women are envious (not jealous, big difference) of fictional women due to men being attracted to them, and use the "pedophilia" claim in order to portray men as evil ('member jason schreier calling sorceress lady from dragon's crown "pedo bait"?)
which leads to yet another reminder that it all comes down to jews poisoning the minds of women from all the way back during suffragettes movement to target (specifically white) men in order to hide their very numerous epstein islands all over the globe
gotta love how jidf downvoted every single comment here
stay mad, "your" country should open the borders like you advocate for every single western country and should be overran by "shadowy persons"
The downvoters are anti-loli spergs who don't understand how their bullshit is going to get them all fragged in the event of a civil war.
They can't help themselves. They'd rather have enemies on both sides than set aside their moralfag cummies to ally with people who think only 99.9% the same as them. Also drawings are people and videogames are murder simulators.
"Gradually I began to hate them."
The down voting neck beards need to come out and argue their point instead of just clicking the arrow like fags. That's some cowardly beta cuck behavior.
You will eat your words when you see the Girls und Panzer tank brigades rampaging over the countryside
He's just admitting to being on the side of the communists.
You know what I mean shithead.
The anon who posed this was known as Gookanon. He used to post regularly in 8chan #GG for years until disappearing sometime around 2021. His news and predictions were almost never wrong, and he's dearly missed.
Arresting artists using pen/pencil on paper or a computer and nothing else is despicable. You are punishing concepts and ideas than 'rescuing victims'.
Those that focus on restraining fiction usually wish to remove the safeguards and restraints of reality.
Yup, that's always been my stance too. I'm no fan of loli (or how passionate/obsessed people on 'muh both sides' get), but I've always found the idea of banning - and especially criminalizing - it absurd and very dangerous.
Some people want to ban all porn, and don't see it as speech (different topic, not touching it here), but banning only specific (and drawn) porn is clearly infringing on speech.
The example I always go to on the loli stuff is, are we really saying if an artist puts pencil to paper and draws a lewd character, the artist can be arrested based on how big or small he draws the tits? It's absolutely absurd.
I put a firm barrier between fiction and reality, the only kind of stuff in the grey zone is actors as things can be faked with props but then there's using child actors for certain filming projects.
If it's real, full scorched earth and stop the monsters. If it's fiction so just a drawing, I ain't caring I'll just not view it. Unless you want to completely lobotomise everyone to control their imagination or do what the left does which is restrain fiction but want to be complete unrestricted in reality, it's not a good path to go down.
Do you want the kind of person who chooses to view it working with children? Or otherwise in a position with any kind of authority or discretion?
It is the same with drug laws. They aren't only about drugs, they are also an easy pretext to get undesirables out of society.
Broken windows policing works.
I remember arguing about this with some homo on here and they started talking about how it's not the same thing on social level
The issue is S. Korea is charging lolisho like it's child porn, not that they are banning it alongside porn in general.
There would have been no controversy if people ONLY got charged for violating the general porn ban for shit that isn't CP.
It isn't a "concept", it is a product.
Not just that but if you criminalize fiction then you drive people to reality.
CP in general is harder to trace since you gotta do the leg work to find out who the victims are, if this was made in a country where you can easily make this shit, check with your superiors this isn't THEIR child exploitation racket...
Meanwhile going after an artist that makes a drawing and that's it is SO much easier as they don't try to hide as much since they stupidly think that authorities would not waste time using them as sacrificial to appease the public than go after demons.
All degeneracy needs to be kept out of the public sphere. The people who engage in it need to be separated from normal society.
We don't know if they engage in it unless they are so retarded they broadcast it, not realizing how disgusting normal people think it is, or they are ner-do-wells in some other manner and that brings about scrutiny of their private spaces.
In any case they aren't people I want to live near.
Are you such a moron that you are equating people who masturbate while looking at pictures of children and people who disagree with communist ideology?
Some things are good, and some things aren't. You don't have to be tolerant of the things that are not good to support the things that are good.
And before you give a gay commie comeback like "how do YOU know what things are good", I'll ask you a couple of simple yes or no questions.
Do you think masturbation while looking at images depicting children is a good thing? Do you think fictional depictions of children in sexual situations is a good thing?
If your answers are yes, then your discernment is broken and we can't have a conversation. If the answer is no then we are arguing about what degree of effort we should make in removing these specific bad things from our society.
Where is it going?
Banning all porn? Good.
Enforcement of public decency laws, shutting down most "adult oriented" businesses? Women not go out in public dressed like strippers? Good.
Please tell me the point along the slippery slope of your imagination that isn't a net positive for society as a whole.
So we should stop acting on good intentions because sometimes it turns out badly? What else can we use to determine our actions OTHER than our intentions?
the irony could not be richer, this coming from a man who wants to let people proliferate child pornography in the name of "freedom", a twisted post-modern concoction currently actually raping the children of his population...
There was a veiled threat from a Tory MP in the UK recently to follow the South Korean example of banning all distribution and possession. They've also announced the banning of smoking and are now looking likely to go down a road of banning all vices and adopt an obesity strategy which could potentially compel people to go to the gym and eat healthily to keep their job and/or welfare.
That would require us to adopt Saudi Arabian/Iranian style morality laws. Not as far as Afghanistan where music is now banned but it would be a massive culture shock for western countries to shift toward puritanism and the implementation of morality police.
What are you talking about? That is how the US worked before 1960. Decency laws were enforced, indecent activities were forced outside of the public eye.
No puritanism is necessary. Roll back the retarded supreme court decisions about "expression" being protected by the first amendment. The degenerates can have new york and san francisco. The normal people can have towns that are decent to live and work in.
The subversive idea that expression = speech started with, surprise, communists.
A retarded supreme court case decision ruled that showing commie flags couldn't be made illegal and basically the same reasoning was used to make all sorts of indecency and subversion legal.
Before that it was understood that speech meant words and only words is what the first amendment was meant to protect.
Forbidding of drawings, forbidden words and phrases, sacred untouchable groups of humans, hiding of the face .. this is all sounding very familiar somehow.
"But podesta's paintings are cool though." t. wef faggot
What are the drawings of?
If it's not sexual, who cares?
Should Hellsing be banned? I only watched a few episodes, because I just can't with the idea of the "adult female cop" looking like she's a goddamn 5 year old.
But shit, just drawing a kid or a non-human nowadays brings about charges from spermbrains who think that people only want to draw what they want to fuck or something. And frankly, I think that's just a variant on the same type of people who think that people will worship statues and pictures so they all must be banned.
And all slippery slopes start with reasonable stuff. Yes, ban obviously sexual stuff involving children. But when it starts to move into Sailor Moon in her miniskirt?
And the average perv will beat off to any bloody thing.
This in particular isn't a hill I wish to die on, though. I don't care for porn of any kind. But I do enjoy funny animal/anthro cartoons, and prefer to play non-humans in games wherever I can, and I'm in a very straight relationship with a fellow WASP. So I don't know what that makes me, but I don't care, because I've been called every fucking name in the book in my life, so I'm more or less immune. It's just that if they're going to whip up a moral panic over drawings of supposedly-adult females that look like kids (but why don't they ever talk about young looking males?), then I know the next step is "anyone who watches Bugs Bunny wants to fuck rabbits".
Can we agree that the obviously sexual drawings should be illegal to display in a public forum, one that isn't meaningfully age gated? If we agree then we can argue about whether particular instances qualify as sexual.
We tend to talk past each other on these topics because the sides are attacking strawmen of their opponents.
Absolutely. I dont think I've ever seen loli defenders claiming they want 18+ content of it shown in all ages places. There's zero reason for that to be allowed.
We agree that it should be limited to adults.
But what mechanism should be used to ensure that the content isn't accessible to children?
Obviously the "are you 18" checkbox isn't adequate.
You're not wrong, but that is an issue that isn't unique to this stuff; it's an issue for all porn in general. So if someone says that they want to ban all porn, and loli/shota shit just happens to be part of that, I can respect it.
If their issue is the security side and how the current setup makes it too easy for kids to find it, I could potentially agree with that as well. The issue comes when the solutions I tend to hear proposed to that tend to be very worrying, like requiring all people ID themselves online and things like that. If there is a solution that could reasonably keep minors from finding that shit without being a huge issue regarding the anonymity of everyone using the internet, I'm all ears.
If you have to show ID to buy or view porn (or other products we don't want children accessing) in physical retail store, why shouldn't you have to show one online?
If you disagree with that solution then what is yours? You don't get to say "I think porn should be kept away from children" then crap on every proposed solution. That is just a cowardly way of attempting to keep the "high ground".
If showing ID decreases the harm to children and society, so what if it makes coomers feel slighty uncomfortable and inconvenienced? And so what if it makes running a porn site more difficult?
Who is the character that looks like a 5 year old from Hellsing? I don't remember any loli stuff so I'm just wondering about that now, but it has been years since I've seen it.
The female cop.
Seras has some pretty big tits on her so I suppose that is where I got confused, I only really remember her and Alucard from the show anyway
Women can't the stand the fact they are no longer attractive passed 25yo and that their prime was their teenage years. Reality sucks.
And the ones that bitch about it the loudest were riding the cock carousel (ie feeding the very beast they now oppose) during those fertile years instead of trying to find a husband to settle down with.
Pedos exist and will keep existing. Let them use cartoons and AI to take the steam off. It hurts no one and doesn't lead to action in real life. Does violent games lead to murder? Nope. This is no different. If you're against Loli, you might as well be against violent games too. Technically it's more degenerate to play a game where you kill very realistic people on repeat than jacking off to an unrealistic cartoon.
Also, art is an extension of your mind. Banning any type of art is very close to thought police 1984 bs. All thoughts should be permitted. Even the most vile trash that you can think of. What's not allowed is acts in the real world that break the social contract. Again, one doesn't lead to the other. Case in point, look at Japan, the cradle of degeneracy. It's more functional than any western country because the people there understand this principle but also respect the social contract.
It can't be stopped "in the privacy of their own homes" but it can be shut out of even the borderlands of the public sphere.
Laws aren't just about punishing people who break them, they are about signaling the kind of society we want to have. And I don't know about you but I want to have the kind of society where the perverts who are into cartoon child porn are terrified of anyone finding out about their degeneracy.
Yes I agree. Tolerance but not acceptance. Basically ban the publicity of it and don't let it be normalized. That goes for the rainbow crowd as well and is where we massively failed in the west.
100% this. Banning something with 0 victims is retarded and on the same level as hate i.e. thought crimes. If you ban loli, you need to ban anime in it's entirety since there's no definitive line for age or sexual arousal.
Characters can look 4 or 40 depending entirely on context, drawing style or even viewer interpretation. A degenerate coomer can fap to any portrayal of a cute, underage character even with absolutely no sexual undertones. We've also seen leftists crying pedo over obviously mature adult characters in adult settings e.g. University/office.
Anyone stupid enough to call loli hentai literal cp cannot distinguish fiction from reality. It's porn, sure, but then they should be equally outraged at fictional rape, murder, torture, illegal activity or depictions of anything objectional- even for the purpose of "stopping" it in the course of telling a story since it's "hurting" the characters.
If you want to stop people watching anime- loli or otherwise, don't make it illegal, make it [more] socially cringe. Anything else leaves the door wide open for tyrannical laws.
*Citation needed. Because most studies state the exact opposite: Violent video games are negatively correlated with violent criminal actions, and while not as heavily researched, the general consensus is the same applies to most other urges, too.
Or in other words, if you could save a million children from harm, but have to admit you're wrong one single time, would you do it? Most politicians won't. It's one of those contrary things, like how increasing the added-penalty zone area around schools for drug crimes, increases the amount of drug crimes around schools. You'd think it would lower it, but no. And you could save lives and livelihoods by reducing the area around schools that are more heavily policed and penalized, but no politician in their right or left mind would ever advocate for LESS area on that regard, no matter the guaranteed, well-researched, well-established, proven good it would do.
Save living, real people, or protect the fictional CG ragdolls from video game violence? It's a tough choice for many, apparently even here.
There is no general consensus that engaging in deviant sexual arousal lowers offense rates. It's literally the fucking opposite. The people most likely to offend are those who experience arousal from their deviant paraphilia
retard, the truth is that violence in videogames doesn't lead to violence in real life, but that
jacking it to small children
does lead to being a despicable death-deserving freak.
But if you bring any of this up you're instantly labeled a pedophile.
I don't agree with legal lolicon bans, but I have a couple of questions. Pornography is illegal in South Korea, period. So how are real CP producers and users getting off the hook?
Also, the 4chan post is 5 years old and the NSFW artist goodbye message is 7 years old at this point. Where is South Korea at now?
Any actual SK here who could give some insight?
How does marriage look in SK? What are other sexual reliefs available to males in SK?
I feel like answers to those questions would give a lot of context.
Is there a sauce on these claims?
You only get 5 years for CP in SK?
Fucking degenerates.
hmmm interesting last line about how globalist western investors gave the ok sign to push this shit and this post was made in 2018. Interesting that this is about the same time that i saw this drama started happening around anime in the West . More proof that this anti loli hysteria is orchestrated
What are the pictures of?
Who cares?
I do. Now what are the pictures of, motherfucker?
Porn of young fictional girls typically done in a heavily stylized fashion. So?
By young girls you mean children? That is the word you can't say. Specifically prepubescent children.
You already admitted it is porn, are you willing to admit that it is depicting underage children?
So? It's fictional. Do you think showing violence in media should also be banned?
another day, another braindead pedo on kia2
I'm brain dead but you haven't argued against me.
False equivalence. Violence is sometimes good. Touching yourself while looking at cartoon child porn never is.
Their silence is deafening.
Every time I see your faggot pet name for your fetish I equate you to the furries crying about "fursecution" and start thinking about buying a flamethrower.
I don't care what drawings you're whacking it to but I do want you to stop trying to justify it or making it a core element of your personality you goblin.
If this is your big life issue you belong in a mental institution or a woodchipper.
It's called "I hate my government for banning mere offensive drawings with no ties to kids being raped, and the mods are faggots for refusing to let me describe retaliation against retards like yourself who cannot tell the difference between drawings and child porn."
Then leave. Please. I don't want a censorious dictator, even if it is one that agrees with many of my views. Collectivism and authoritarianism ALWAYS lead to horrible results. ALWAYS. So take your collectivist authoritarian ideology... And leave! Just like that. Close the window. Little "x" in the corner. Done. And when you next advocate for collectivist authoritarianism, ask yourself, 1) is this measure necessary? 2) Will it ever be used outside its current scope to oppress the innocent? 3) CAN it ever be used outside its current scope at any point in time, even just as a precedent for something else? (the answer for 3 WILL be the same as for 2. Always is. Not once in history has it not been so.).
That's literally the entire post and they didn't read a fucking thing. Not one single example penetrated their thick skulls. Hurr hurr, but pedo. The entire point of the post is that actual pedos get punished less harshly than people fapping to victimless porn.
Then leave the sub