Here is a detailed post about how the South Korean Lolisho ban, posted for reference.
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Can we agree that the obviously sexual drawings should be illegal to display in a public forum, one that isn't meaningfully age gated? If we agree then we can argue about whether particular instances qualify as sexual.
We tend to talk past each other on these topics because the sides are attacking strawmen of their opponents.
Absolutely. I dont think I've ever seen loli defenders claiming they want 18+ content of it shown in all ages places. There's zero reason for that to be allowed.
We agree that it should be limited to adults.
But what mechanism should be used to ensure that the content isn't accessible to children?
Obviously the "are you 18" checkbox isn't adequate.
You're not wrong, but that is an issue that isn't unique to this stuff; it's an issue for all porn in general. So if someone says that they want to ban all porn, and loli/shota shit just happens to be part of that, I can respect it.
If their issue is the security side and how the current setup makes it too easy for kids to find it, I could potentially agree with that as well. The issue comes when the solutions I tend to hear proposed to that tend to be very worrying, like requiring all people ID themselves online and things like that. If there is a solution that could reasonably keep minors from finding that shit without being a huge issue regarding the anonymity of everyone using the internet, I'm all ears.
If you have to show ID to buy or view porn (or other products we don't want children accessing) in physical retail store, why shouldn't you have to show one online?
If you disagree with that solution then what is yours? You don't get to say "I think porn should be kept away from children" then crap on every proposed solution. That is just a cowardly way of attempting to keep the "high ground".
If showing ID decreases the harm to children and society, so what if it makes coomers feel slighty uncomfortable and inconvenienced? And so what if it makes running a porn site more difficult?