I asked Bing if there was enough LIthium in the world for everyone to get an EV car ......Based on the web search results, it seems that there is not enough lithium in the world to convert every ICE (internal combustion engine) vehicle to an EV (electric vehicle). According to a report by Forbes⁹, by 2030, EVs will need 2,700 GWh worth of lithium-ion batteries a year, which is equivalent to 225 billion iPhone 11 batteries and 13 times more battery power than we use today. However, the global supply of lithium is limited and concentrated in a few places, such as Australia, Chile, and China. The demand for lithium is expected to exceed the supply by 2025, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA)². This could lead to higher prices, lower quality, and environmental and social impacts.
Some of the challenges and solutions for meeting the lithium demand for EVs are:
- Price: The price of lithium has increased significantly due to the growing demand for EVs. The price of Australian spodumene, a lithium-rich raw material, has grown more than tenfold from $415 per tonne in January 2021 to $4,994 per tonne in October 2022¹. This could make EVs more expensive and less affordable for consumers. To lower the cost of lithium, some possible solutions are increasing the efficiency and recycling of batteries, developing alternative sources of lithium, such as brines or clays, and diversifying the supply chain to reduce dependence on a few countries²⁴.
- Range: The range of EVs depends on the capacity and performance of their batteries, which are influenced by the quality and quantity of lithium. The average range of EVs in 2020 was about 320 km, while some models could reach up to 600 km². However, this may not be enough for some drivers who need to travel long distances or who have unpredictable driving patterns. To increase the range of EVs, some possible solutions are improving the battery technology and design, such as using solid-state or metal-air batteries, expanding the network and accessibility of charging stations, and optimizing the driving behavior and conditions²⁴.
- Infrastructure: The infrastructure for EVs includes the network of charging stations that can provide electricity for their batteries. The availability and accessibility of charging stations may vary depending on the location, the type of charger, and the cost of charging. Some drivers may face difficulties in finding a suitable or convenient charging station near their destination or along their route. Some drivers may also prefer to charge their EVs at home, but this may require additional equipment and installation costs². To improve the infrastructure for EVs, some possible solutions are increasing the investment and innovation in charging technologies and services, such as fast chargers or wireless chargers, enhancing the integration and coordination of electricity grids and renewable energy sources, and providing incentives and regulations for charging station operators and users²⁴.
- Awareness: The awareness of EVs includes the information and knowledge that consumers have about their benefits, features, and reliability. Some consumers may have misconceptions or doubts about EVs, such as their safety, durability, or maintenance. Some consumers may also be unaware of the environmental and social impacts of EVs, such as reducing greenhouse gas emissions, improving air quality, and supporting renewable energy sources². To increase the awareness of EVs, some possible solutions are providing accurate and transparent information and education about EVs and their advantages and opportunities, promoting positive experiences and testimonials from EV users and experts, and encouraging social norms and values that support EV adoption²⁴.
I hope this helps you understand more about why there is not enough lithium in the world to convert every ICE vehicle to an EV. Do you want to chat more about this topic or something else? I'm happy to talk about anything that interests you. 😊
Source: Conversation with Bing, 21/08/2023 (1) As Tesla Booms, Lithium Is Running Out - Forbes. https://www.forbes.com/sites/danrunkevicius/2020/12/07/as-tesla-booms-lithium-is-running-out/. (2) Electric vehicle demand – has the world got enough lithium? | World .... https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/07/electric-vehicles-world-enough-lithium-resources/. (3) How Australia became the world's greatest lithium supplier. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20221110-how-australia-became-the-worlds-greatest-lithium-supplier. (4) Lithium supply and demand to 2030 - Fastmarkets. https://www.fastmarkets.com/insights/lithium-supply-and-demand-to-2030. (5) This chart shows which countries produce the most lithium. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/01/chart-countries-produce-lithium-world/. (6) Is your lithium stock having a rough week? China may have something to do with it. https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/is-your-lithium-stock-having-a-rough-week-china-may-have-something-to-do-with-it/ar-AA1fouiI. (7) Lithium Demand For EVs Is Soaring, and This 1 Stock Is Rolling in Cash. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstocks/lithium-demand-for-evs-is-soaring-and-this-1-stock-is-rolling-in-cash/ar-AA1fbazq. (8) EV Supplier Livent Holds Up Amid Lithium Price Declines -- Is It a Buy?. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/ev-supplier-livent-holds-up-amid-lithium-price-declines-is-it-a-buy/ar-AA1fopFK. (9) Demand for electric vehicles rising but battery costs, policy inertia .... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-08/evs-in-demand-lithium-expensive-government-policy/100969628.
Thanks :)
The other thing that gets overlooked is the electric grid. The electric grid isn't going to be able to support a full conversion to electricity as is and none of them are talking about upgrading it. Power outages are going to be another thing they use to justify taking even more control. Especially with them already having started to ban gas stoves. Expect mandatory "smart thermostats" in the near future too.
California can't even handle the summer on a normal year. They have rolling blackouts in LA every year, and they think everyone driving electric will just work.
It's hard to imagine that place was considered paradise on earth back in the sixties.
I think they know better, but plan on using it for more control. They'd have to be completely retarded to think they could handle going 100% electric when they can barely handle the current demand. While I'd certainly never accuse them of being geniuses, the bigger problem is that they're evil and think they'll never personally face any consequences.
looks at people like Occasional Cortex
You think most elected politicians have any real power? Those with the real power are those who bankroll her campaigns and pay for her lifestyle.
When I look at tools in positions like her I don't see an idiot in charge, but rather a useful idiot made to feel special with an advanced title.
They don't think they won't face any consequences, they know it. It's why they're so blatant. What everyone calls stupidity I more accurately call malicious arrogance
While I agree that they won't be punished, even they won't be totally unaffected if their actions cause everything to collapse. Every luxury they enjoy is made by someone else and they'll notice when there's no one around to provide those luxuries anymore.
Some idiot in CA is already proposing that charge stations should be "bidirectional," aka they should have the ability to suck energy out of your car for the greater good.
In all likelihood, EV owners would be paid the same as solar owners, getting paid at base rate at best. Far below the value of whatever wear on the battery would be.
The only reason Cali was ever considered "paradise" was because of the weather, and natural landscape (beaches and mountains.) Not anything about the human side of it much. :P
That, and stick a palm tree on something and bam, human subconscious says "paradise". It's why the dude on the little island with the one coconut tree works so well as a joke across multiple generations.
It's funny how quiet they've all been recently about the Texas electricity issues, since for the last two years after the issues because of a 100 year winter event all I've heard how the evil right wingers are responsible for the dilapidated state of the power grid in Texas. National sources loved to talk about how great they were and Texas was so so bad. Until this summer when it's been over 100 for the better part of two months in much of the state, and well, the electricity is fine.
That is the ENTIRE purpose behind smart meters.
The lack of current grid upgrade work for the promissed, coerced, relatively fast switch to EV tells the WEF-controled elites already decided the middle and lower class would have their cars taken-away, not replaced.
When the predictable, planned grid failures worsen, they will run media articles and pass laws to ''save the grid, we just can't afford having more electric cars plugged into it'', and ''think of the children plugged on machines at the hospital, you're a monster for stealing their life-saving electricity. ( And also a bigot. ) )
The main problem, as I see it, is the speed at which the elites want to force EVs.
There's enough lithium in the earths crust for us all to have EVs, but the mining and refining capacity isn't there - and it takes decades to spin that up. Same with scaling up the electric grid. Even in an ideal situation where we build tons of nuclear plants to charge our EVs, the current grid just can't handle it. You just can't physically push enough power through the wires to charge an EV at every household. This can be built up of course, but again it takes decades.
If they just let everything happen naturally, it'd be fine. People would buy whatever kind of vehicle makes sense to them, battery tech would slowly improve and bring more people on board, mining and refining would scale up, recycling batteries would become financially viable, the grid could be built up - in 50 years most people would be driving an EV. But they need to force everyone because it's not proper environmentalism if people aren't suffering.
This has always been my take on it. EVs as a technology are really pretty good; there are a lot of inherent advantages over ICE like part count (reliability), efficiency, max torque at 0rpm and so forth. If the market were left to develop organically I am sure EVs would be adopted on their own merits over the next 50+ years.
But no, of course the politicians must be seen to be 'doing something' about the 'climate emergency' and so they'll push policies forcing EV before the infrastructure is there which everyone will suffer for.
You know, one of the great things about ICE vehicles is that you can economize by choosing to drive less. Pushing EVs onto the grid means the price of electricity must rise, especially if the infrastructure isn't really there. And guess what? Suddenly the cost of EVs is pushed to everyone who uses electricity; you can't economize by driving less. Of course this means that the poor (you know, those guys the leftists claim to love) will suffer most from this policy debacle.
It's the other way around. They're pushing this "climate emergency" bullshit to gain more control. If they really believed it themselves they'd stop using private jets and they wouldn't give places like China and India a free pass to pollute as much as they want.
It would not be fine. Your EV will be a brick if the feds turn off the grid in your area or "nudge" automakers to push out a climate change software update. Those are features, not problems anyone wants to solve. EVs are iPhones on wheels.
This is kind of like when people think the 2nd Amendment is for hunting or self-defense and try to thread the needle with solutions like mandatory smart guns. The 2nd is important to check a tyrannical government, and ICE is important to forestall tyrannical methods of control.
So are modern ICE vehicles. Everything is computer-controlled and network-connected. Your car won't start if they don't want it to.
The ability to moderate the control of EVs is what makes them infinitely more attractive from a regulatory standpoint. With ICE, you are limited to jacking up Michael Hastings' throttle to 100% into a tree. With EVs, you can press a button and take away 100hp from millions of cars at once, set maximum ranges, geolocate speed limits, or subtly screw with how the firmware handles this or that process without the customer ever wising up because everything is blackboxed. Some of this is possible with ICE (esp after 2027 when remote kill switch on new cars is mandatory), but not to the same extent.
ICE cars can be modded with relative ease as well. Jury's still out on the aftermarket for a Tesla when not even the factory will repair the battery and the selling point is "the car drives itself."
Turn off the grid? Like all electricity? Wtf? How are you planning on filling up your gasoline car when the feds go full siege warfare on you in this imaginary scenario? Are you planning to drive to walmart in these conditions? How are you going to keep food?
If you honestly believe this is a possibility your garage better be filled to the brim with IEDs ready to deploy.
It's just as likely that your car will be turned off with software after you drive too fast or dare to use it during a brownout. No "siege warfare" or "imaginary scenarios," just a mandatory OS upgrade.
Anyway, it's not that gas delivery can't be stopped. It's that stopping electric delivery is far easier and more flexible and therefore can be deployed in a low intensity situation. With gas you have a huge network composed of many individual chain links, from the suppliers all the way down to the local gas station, and each of those links has a reserve of gas. You could force that to stop, but it would be a colossal undertaking that would only be justifiable with declaration of war against the population or something equivalent.
On the other hand, electric delivery is centralized to a few centers of authority and can literally be turned off by flipping switches. For example, your power company can cut you off easily. Crucially, however, electricity can also be monitored easily. So if the government implements a limit for usage during "peak hours," as the EU is proposing, you could be personally throttled in normal circumstances and there wouldn't be anything you could do about it. Or it's also possible that in order to enforce "climate lockdowns" the government can throttle or cut off your entire neighborhood to stop people from traveling. Again, this is effective with flipping a few switches.
In case for some reason you're dumb enough to think none of this will apply to you because you'll charge your iCar at night, away from peak hours, they've got you covered there too. Bidirectional charging, or the ability for a car to send power instead of receive it, has been proposed as a way for EV owners to "help" the grid. Right now it's discussed as a voluntary feature. One only needs to glance at CA's history with water rationing and brownouts to see how long that'll last.
Your local gas station has a few days worth of gas at most. All production and transport hubs are centralized and highly regulated. The whole thing is a pipeline that has to be resupplied constantly. Gas rationing has been implemented in the US in the past with no meaningful resistance. Cutting off gas is at least as easy as cutting off electricity.
I know of several people who can make their own electricity using solar panels. It's common to connect to the grid to make money, but converting to an off-grid circuit is just a little rewiring and it would become quite popular if the grid became unreliable. I've never heard of anyone making their own gas.
Cutting off the electricity turns any "low intensity situation" into a high intensity one immediately, because you're threatening people's lives with a lack of heating, cooling, refrigeration, safety (lighting), and communication. If you turn off the power to a major city, people start killing each other in days. I can't see a situation where the government turns off electricity intentionally because it would immediately escalate out of control. What do you think people are going to do if they can't watch tv or eat food?
There's no situation where the government cuts off electricity and doesn't also cut off the gasoline. In order for the electricity cut to even work they would have to seize and destroy all the old gas cars well in advance which would be insane.
The only thing that makes a lick of sense in your scenario is the software updates targeting individuals, but that crapware exists in every single new gas car too so it doesn't make any difference.
It seems like you're just collecting your fears and projecting them onto new technology when it's really irrelevant to the entire situation.
Yes, that's obvious. As I said, every link in the chain has a physical quantity of gas and there are also multiple supplier and dealer networks. Gas does not enter a giant reservoir akin to the grid where it can be dispensed to anyone instantly. It's inherently less controllable and traceable. The logistics of gas are incredibly more difficult than control over the electric grid.
You're talking about WWII, when the population supported rationing. To take that context and suggest that proves gas rationing would be easy to implement today is silly.
Off-grid solutions are probably the most attractive points of EVs, so if you have the resources to put up unlicensed panels/windmills and take the heat for running them (connection to the grid will likely be mandatory) then it's a good idea to get some kind of EV.
The overwhelming majority of Americans will not generate their own power, though, so this will not hinder social control measures.
Farmers trying to protest with their tractors? Truckers protesting climate lockdowns/vaccination? Another January 6 situation developing? In all of these situations, being able to instantly target certain people and limit their ability to travel is going to be worth the risk. They would've loved being able to press a few buttons and make the threat of a Freedom Convoy basically harmless. Every major American city burned in 2020, do you think that people killing each other matters that much to them?
It's more likely that throttling happens (to varying levels of severity) instead of just cutting people off though. CA has already asked people not to use large appliances to avoid stressing the grid. The EU is openly discussing electric consumption limits. In a "risk of brownout" situation or a "climate warning" situation people could be restricted to a subsistence level of electricity - instantly.
I just outlined a few for you. Anyway, in a scenario where the majority of cars on the road can be dealt with by flipping a switch, the ICE holdouts become more manageable. Population control is a problem of averages, not 100% perfection.
It's far easier to push control measures on EVs than ICE. The software is the only gateway and the system is effectively blackboxed from the consumer at this point. Why do you think Mercedes offers a subscription fee to unlock HP for its EVs and not ICE? Conversely, messing with ICE tuning will break the car if the drivetrain parts don't match, and many users mod their ECU.
Don't forget the fire issue. ICE will either burn out or be put out by emergency services fairly quickly, or even just dragged off the road. EV fires burn longer, are harder to extinguish, and will even reignite making them next to impossible for emergency services to actually deal with other than keeping everyone else away.
And that's a per car issue meaning the incident frequency will only increase the more EVs are active.
The push for EVs reminds me of the time that Hillary Clinton walked into the home of a working class family and the face she made. A bunch of fucking DINKs and Yuppies who don't realize the average family doesn't have the kind of money for a brand new car.
CNN's Don Lemon interviewed some hillbillies in Appalachia and couldn't believe they used their AR-15s to hunt for food instead of buying it at Kroger.
Great article. Make sure to archive
Best case against public transport??? Covid. Lawl.
Don't assume that they expect everyone can get an EV if they want one. They have always hated cars, because cars let people move around whenever they want. That there isn't enough lithium doesn't bother them, because they don't want us to have EVs anyway.
Never forget that they want us like serfs again, which is what they think our proper place is. Confined to 15 minute cities, muzzled like the idiots we are, where we can't mobilize, can't protest what they do, and utterly disarmed.
"You will own nothing" - if you're lucky your social credit score might get you 2kms in the robo-drive
The elites saw that we could be manipulated into a forced/experimental/dangerous medical procedure.
The next step is easy:
Communists are working with communists in academia to destroy all our energy consumption.
EVs are a shell game. The point is for you to not drive anymore.
Two things that you didn't touch on are the fact that we don't produce enough electricity to power an all-EV fleet, and that even if we did, we don't have enough copper to build new power lines to carry that power.
The sad thing is that these are all technological problems that may have a solution if competence and merit were focuses of society. Steely eyed rocket Men got us to the Moon from scratch, but sadly they're too White too innovate past these problems.
Realistically charging stations would fast swap batteries somehow, or create a synthetic liquid that could store electrical energy exactly like fuel does currently.
Battery technology has made huge leaps in the last 20 years, the problem is we need like eight more leaps before they're close to storing as much energy as gasoline.
We're talking about science, not alchemy.
Normally you'd expect the military to be leading the way - but I don't see them swapping to EV Tanks
They're too busy buying old Wankel rotary engines out of junkyards to use as secondary engines for M1 tanks.
The US Military is the world's single largest user of fossil fuels
We have to burn the
villagefossil fuels to protect thevillagefossil fuels.Pretty much. EVs are toys - very expensive toys, but toys nonetheless. You could argue they have limited applications(say a daily commute of 15 minutes or so one way), but that still leaves you with a vehicle with extremely limited options outside of that compared to a normal car.
EVs will only become viable when their normal performance vastly outstrips gasoline-powered vehicles, and I don't see that happening any time soon.
Oh boy I can't wait for diversity-hire electric cars to just burst into a fire that can't be put out all over the place.
they can try.
Patrick Boyle points out some of the issues, in a non political way, recent video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4WfbqE5elk