Fox bans Trump, pushes DeSantis as the next candidate for President.
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While an endorsement from Fox might be the best argument against DeSantis I've heard so far, I really don't think Trump has it in him to tard-wrangle the deepstate into submission. Too much "2 more weeks" under his leadership, whether that be Covid or Stop the Steal.
Took the words right out of my mouth. I was fully behind him until I read this. Now I'm cautious.
It is good to be cautious but think who benefits from a Trump 2024 campaign?
The Dems would rather run against Trump again to make it a referendum on him instead of an election on the issues.
Tying Fox to DeSantis is the best way to harm him. It is like a Mike Pence endorsement. It only hurts you with the base.
I think a Trump 2024 campaign would be a disaster so I still think DeSantis is a better bet.
I'm not unsure of Trump being unable to take on the deepstate.
Like I've said before, Trump seems to exactly be the type of guy that comes at you if you cross him. The fact that people like Murdoch, McConnel, and Hannity are trying to ditch him, makes me think that he's getting a real good taste at where his real friends are. No one's trying to put Ted Cruz or Hannity in Jail, but they are going after Banon and Jones.
Meanwhile, his MAGA Chud candidates are giving him a loyalist base in the house to work with, while anti-Establishment figures like MTG and Gaetz are wreaking havoc.
With the fact that the establishment media is nervous about his Schedule F changes that would allow him to dump swathes of federal employees (which was something he enacted at the last minute), I get the feeling that Trump is going to actually be the bull in a china shop people were afraid he was going to be in 2016.
I honestly hope that's the case because he's going to need to be if he even so much as attempts a 2nd term. He's that much of a wild card that I don't think any armchair politician really knows what he'd do or be able to achieve if he goes no holds barred.
You left out Q's: "Trust the plan" and vote him in again!
Just 2 more weeks and we'll overturn the steal! Justice is right around the corner! Keep the faith, pedes!
C'mon, guys, we have the best disappointments, don't we?
Doesn't matter what Trump would actually pull off, what matters is what the deeps fear he could do.
First term was restrained by 1) unexpectedly winning / no experience and 2) wanting reelection to a 2nd term. He's still doesn't have great judgement on personnel, but it'll be much harder to get a Barr in there now that Trump has hundreds of close advisers that have been with him through the wringer and much harder to keep a Barr from being fired. Even being impeached and removed was a huge dampener first term because he wouldn't get his 2nd, but in a 2nd term being the only President removed would cement his outlier status forever for all time - cyborg people 500 years from now would still be talking about Trump if he got removed.
So the deeps backing DeSantis isn't to say he's a stooge or controlled opposition, but more of a desperation move because he's the far lesser of their evils; he'll do a lot of things they hate, but from within the system. He probably would get more done than Trump, but he's not a wildcard.
They have nothing at all to fear. His tough talk and nothing backing it just resulted in everyone seeing they can just get away with it. It's like threatening punishment to your child and never actually punishing them.
Presidential orders can be ignored with impunity. If they can grab power with a friendly judge, they'll have a judge clog it up in the courts for a year or two to undermine Trump. If they can't, just ignore it. Make up some stuff and call it a leak to muster the NPC army to occupy and attack. Block his communications to the public. Feed wag-the-dog information to get him to throw his support behind whatever swamp project needs support. Tell China what the military is working on and preparing to do.
Oh? He wants to appoint and hire allies? Congress stops anyone that could be effective. Recess nominations? Feed him a list of allies that is comprised of traitors.
The system has been gutted and mutated for over 100 years. There is no way to correct it from the inside, it's like saying "pretty please" to convince cancer to stop metastasizing.
But what you are talking about is an actual constitutional crisis. Trump goes on Truth and says "Comey 2.0, you're fired!", and the President has that authority, and Comey 2.0 refuses to leave. The President has a ton of power that Trump didn't use because he was afraid of losing reelection or being removed.
The deeps don't want a constitutional crisis because it's a wildcard.
Remember when they put up national guard walls around DC to protect Biden because of a few dozen bad actors half of whom were Feds? They fear that situation where the People actually stand up.
If the Dems want to ensure they run against Trump in 2024, they do gay shit like this and have association with Fox hurt DeSantis.
Don't be fooled, Dems would rather have Trump in 2024 as their opponent to make it a referendum on Trump instead of an election about the issues.
Okay, now I fucking know the whole DeSantis thing is a fucking astroturf.
100%, this is an effort to create a contentious primary that basically breaks the party and gives the election to the Dems because of Republican infighting.
It's a clever move, and some of you idiots absolutely bought it.
Yeah the second Fox backs someone that should be a giant red warning sign that they are part of the problem.
In other news, Fox News has just declared the State of Arizona for "whomever the Democrats are running in 2024".
The article does pretty much admit that, though I guess they are claiming a more neutral stance to steal away Fox viewers. I think it's hilariously revealing of Newsmax's "journalism" that this is just second-hand reporting of a NYT article. My favorite line is:
Nice of you to wake up and join us after two years, Newsmax.
Like with GB News, they are trying their best.
I was blown away when one of their presenters told Dave Rubin, he'd never heard of the term Deadnaming.
I literally yelled out, "WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME, BITCH"
Dems would love to run against Trump rather than Desantis.
Trump lets them make every election a referendum on Trump instead of the issues.
Think about this for a second.
A 78 year old Trump will be worse than his 2020 campaign. He will be screaming about stolen 2020 on the campaign trail instead of the most important issues of today.
We all know Fox is shit and the left knows Fox supporting DeSantis hurts him.
If the left wanted to run against Trump, this is what they would do. Deflate DeSantis support by having Fox support him.
You are accusing people who prefer DeSantis for falling for a psy-op when people like you have fallen for the Dem psyop of trying to ensure Trump is rhe 2024 nominee.
I would still take DeSantis anyday over Trump.
Trump hasn't learned from his mistakes and he still sucks at personnel selection.
That's the exact opposite of reality. They would rather run against DeSantis because they know that Trump will actually do real damage to them. The absolute stupidity of claiming that getting Fox news to support DeSantis hurts DeSantis is fucking laughable. Most of the right still watches and supports Fox News. GB News, Newsmax, and others are still struggling to gain the attention of traditional conservatives. I garuntee you, most of the regular republicans who vote Trump have never even heard of The Epoch Times
I've said it for years. Trump would be easy to make a deal with. The Saudis figured this out by treating his arrival in SA with military parades, grand tours, and all sorts of Trump official circle-jerking and he was happy as a clam.
The elites fucking hate Trump. I'm not entirely sure why, maybe it's some loyalty with the Clintons, maybe it's some "new money" bigotry, maybe it's because he's too "low class" for them. Whatever it is, these people irrationally despise him more than anything in the world and are still actively trying to destroy him.
I"m accusing people who irrationally want to support a DeSantis run which isn't reasonable, only has negative consequences to the Republicans, and isn't even clear is being considered by DeSantis himself, because you're being played like boomers reading up on the latest QAnon post. Or even some of the Ethno-Nats in here looking gleefully at "Patriot Front" for being "so well organized".
You are getting fucking played.
The fact that he mentioned that Sean Hannity stopped speaking to him tells me they are pushing him in the correct direction.
Trump has no chance in 2024. He's probably the only person in existence that even Biden would poll favorably against. Trump was funny and had some great tweets, but normie moderates hate him and think he's vulgar/mean. They won't vote for him no matter what. He would be fighting an uphill battle the entire time.
And while I liked his bants, on policy he was just a generic republican with a few flaws. DeSantis would be a more consistent conservative.
I also don't trust Trump to put the conservative movement before himself. He's an egomaniac who would gladly take the whole Right down with him. He damaged the right on 1/6 and fucked us over in the GA special elections, which resulted in the Democrats ramming trillions in extra spending the last few years. Fuck him for that. And instead of moving on, he is STILL whining about the election. No thanks.
Trump would win handily if the votes were counted honestly. But he didn't properly contest the election so anyone actually talking about 2024 like it matters is retarded.
The best evidence that we have is that if all of the invalid ballots were discarded, Trump would have squeaked out a victory.
Trump didn't even have a legal team ready prior to the election and had to scramble to assemble one after the fact. That allowed grifters like Sidney Powell to swoop in and fuck everything up.
Well if there was so much fraud and Trump couldn't prove it despite getting $100 million in donations, he is too incompetent.
Sorry, but this is pure delusion.
Wow, you’re a fraud denier on top of being a vaxtard lol
Read the actual comment I'm responding to. You really think Trump would have won 'handily'? Or would he have squeaked by? Gotta love the new style of argumentation, just call anyone who disagrees with you a 'denier'.
And what's a 'vaxtard'?
Yes. Dominion machines flipped about 10% of the votes from R to D. Even with this manipulation, it wasn't enough to steal the election and they had to resort to the 4 am ballot drop.
We'll never know how many votes actually were flipped because we didn't get proper recounts.
I'm sure that's completely true and supported by the evidence and not just some cope.
He would have handily won with electors. Probably another 330.
But that's the value of committing fraud in very specific counties, in very specific states, to get very specific results.
Oh yay another dumb Californian here to tell us he’s still the stupidest fuck in the room.
How do you have to get everything so spectacularly wrong?
Not claiming you're a bot, but imagine replying to a comment about this being an astroturfing campaign with nothing but the literal talking points of the astroturfing campaign. Except for the 1/6 Reichstag point almost everything you said could have been said in 2016 when the GOP tried to stop him then. (except that time they made a fatal mistake of leaning on "lol he's just a clown he won't win")
Bless him. One of the few pieces of evidence that he's not part of the uniparty gayop. (unless it's one of those really complex 8-dimensional gayops)
Seriously, the number of neo-liberal talking points here is startling.
I'm not saying Dekachin is a shill, but man he sounds like one.
Dude, he almost won in 2020 with the worst economy in human history, with a raging pandemic, billionaires putting in hundreds of millions against him, the media stacked against him, and massive electoral shenanigans.
That was when Biden was less senile and could hide in his basement, and hadn't made the total mess. What makes you think that Trump would be situated worse now?
Oh right, you'll just say stuff to advocate for your guy.
Yes. And that is why there is no other choice.
January 6 and Trump's tantrums about the election the past 1.5 years. There has been absolutely nothing going in Trump's favor since he lost. He just keeps digging his hole deeper because he can't get over it. All he ever does now is petty little revenge primaries which he mostly loses anyway.
I don't have a guy, I have a CAUSE. DeSantis is the frontrunner for me right now because he seems like the best guy to advance my CAUSE of right wing values. If someone better shows up I will gladly switch.
I would rather go to war than bow down to being held hostage by Trump. If he tries to pull that shit, the fury of 1000 suns will come down on him, and I'll be on the front lines.
Literal nothing-burger.
Didn't think you loved Liz Cheney this much. Or Brad Raffensperger who handed over his state to Stacey Abrams.
The best guy is Trump, as you well know.
So your vanity is more important to you than your supposed 'cause'. That is exactly the problem.
Cheney has nothing to do with Trump. Disloyalty to Trump is not a sin. Disloyalty to the PARTY/CONSERVATISM is an unforgivable sin. Cheney has TDS and it caused her to turn traitor. I've been against her the whole time.
Nothing wrong with Raffensperger. He did his job correctly and well. And Stacey Abrams? Raffensperger is the one who shut her down. She lost. "In 2019, Raffensperger fought 2018 Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams as she contested his action to remove 300,000 names from the voter registration rolls, and he won the case. In 2021, he removed over 100,000 additional names from the Georgia rolls, depending in part on data received from ERIC, the national Electronic Registration Information Center."
And Kemp is sailing to an easy re-election in 2022 since it's a red wave year. Abrams is going to remain a perpetual loser who only wins elections in Star Trek.
Nope. Trump only cares about Trump. He has no principles. He is also a coward who bitched out in Syria, Afghanistan, and with the trade war against China the moment the polling didn't look favorable. I don't want a fair weather "right winger" like him just because he used to talk a lot of shit to the libs on twitter.
And don't tell me what I know. It's a "being obnoxious on purpose" move. I know my own mind. You do not.
Wrong and absolutely idiotic, puerile thing for you to write. The truth is precisely the opposite. I actually have principles, and that means I will not allow Trump or the idiots who worship him to hold me and my cause hostage.
I'm not a coward to Russian nuke threats, and I'm not a coward to Trump civil war threats. Don't think you can push an American patriot around so easily.
Trump will BITCH OUT and BOW DOWN like he always does, and always has. Trump, at the end of the day, is a narcissistic coward who never takes risks, and never presses what looks like a losing battle, unless it's a pure con.
Wow. Besides a useless "we'll recount the votes we already counted" gesture, he did nothing to explain the burst pipe or the actions of Ruby and her daughter. In fact he went out of his way to defend corrupt election workers, defamed normal citizens for calling his office demanding answers, and may actually be the primary source for hundreds of news publications' "fact checks" against Trump and anyone investigating election fraud. Many of the articles have very similar structures and cite Secretary of State or "election officials" for their claims. He probably leaked his own phone call from Trump to the media to invent yet another fake controversy. He's the epitome of an establishment snake, if not an actual traitor. (would need more evidence before making that judgement)
He doesn't just love himself, he loves Israel quite a bit too.
Trump went hard on trying to get the jew vote because of Jared Kushner. He only got some mild success with orthodox jews, but none with secular jews (who really have wokeness as their religion anyway).
Good. But I'd say impeaching Trump is also a sin, because it was based on nothing.
I heard, but haven't verified, that he settled with her organization and that this is why voting in Georgia was such a mess. Also that she handed the duties of his office to a dumb 31-year-old SJW blonde.
But you'll defend almost any Republican.
On the contrary, she will be re-elected this year.
I am well aware of that. That said, the best choice is still Trump.
So you'd rather lose than put up with Trump.
Yeah, you want to sacrifice your own country - and mine - for some worthless puppet shithole statelet.
Your children get groomed into transgenderism in public schools, they're taught to hate themselves for being white. If you defend yourself, you'll be destroyed in court. You get plenty pushed around.
Friendly reminder that Trump gained millions of votes in his second run and broke records for votes gotten by any sitting president, ever.
Trump gained votes because right wingers like me who did not vote in 2016 came out to vote for him, not because of moderates or swing voters.
Trump got 74m votes. Biden got 81m. It was a super high turnout election, and the people who hated Trump turned out harder. TDS is real. Trump will never win another national election.
Source: trust me, bro. In reality, Trump gained votes from all of the dems key demos; blacks, gays and women. None of those groups are right wing.
They didnt, a lot of those votes are fraudulent, but even granting they were real, Biden is polling worse than Trump right now. There's going to be a point where the indoctrination gets overwritten by real world results, and the polls are reflecting that
All those groups have conservatives in them. The fact that the majority are left wing doesn't mean the right wingers are 0.
They did.
No, they were not. That's a delusional cope. Always has been.
Wrong. They are neck-and-neck. Meanwhile if DeSantis or someone similar is the candidate, it will be a red wave blowout.
The sheer fact that districts that had more votes than registered voters, or even citizens older than 18 do exist means that there was at least something fishy about it.
This seems like a massive cope operation by pushing Desantis so hard when he hasn't even hinted at running in 2024.
Like they know they are getting annihilated (both Dems and RINOs) in mid terms, everyone REALLY hates Biden and even people I know who were never Trump have switched to 'he wasn't that bad in hindsight'. Seems like kick as much sand before being shoved out the door with these kind of moves.
DeSantis has been pretty good on two issues: lockdowns, and satanic indoctrination in schools. And by "pretty good," I mean that he's pushing back slightly on the school stuff, and he stopped doing statewide lockdowns pretty early.
On all other issues, though... Best friend of Israel, totally silent on monetary and fiscal suicide, fine with expanding state power in the short term and then handing it back to his enemies. He is not the guy. He should stay in Florida, where he's a real improvement over the alternatives.
Trump was pretty incompetent, and made lots of terrible hiring decisions, trusting the deep state to work with him in order to dismantle itself. He let Jared Kushner direct a lot of foreign policy. Most of what was wrong with his administration, from a MAGA standpoint, can be traced back to these two issues. It appears that he has learned his lesson on both.
In the absence of Dave Smith winning on the LP ticket, it needs to be OMB.
Desantis tried to extend hate speech laws to cover any criticism Israel. He's another sheep in wolf's clothing.
Fwiw the duopoly is never going to let us vote our way out of this
What has Trump done to suggest that he'll distance himself from Kushner?
Trump hasn't learned at all from his mistakes.
He still pals around with Jared Kushner.
Go look at the Bedminster golf event that happened this week.
We will get the same mistakes from another Trump run.
That's no different than Trump.
Also, who cares he's friend with Israel, you'd rather he be friend with "Palestine" ?
Why does America's foreign policy turn on a narrow strip of land on the east end of the Mediterranean?
Like I said, Trump made a mistake and trusted Jared Kushner. I suspect he's learned his lesson there.
He hasn't learned any lesson at all. Trump still pals around with Kushner, still thinks OWS was the best thing he did.
He will be 78 in 2024.
I would rather have DeSantis in 2024.
We cannot blindly trust any politician so it is good to be cautious. We have people in our base who blindly trust Trump only. That is not good either.
We will see how DeSantis really is soon. Right now I prefer him over a 78 year old Trump but we will see during the primaries who is the best option.
The other guy makes a good point that there's no other options. Unless you think the LP will win.
Rand Paul is an option, though I know the Republican primary would never take him over Trump.
But yes, we all do know the LP is not taking the white house in 24.
You're right in that he would make sure his branch of government does everything by the book and follows the Constitution to the letter. I'm afraid we're beyond that now.
Why wouldn't it when its opponents hate America ?
Learned what lesson ? Kushner is his son in law and brokered a massive peace deal that Trump still touts as one of his presidency's historical achievements.
Do you know why the opponent's of the State of Israel hate America? It's because the US military has been the tool of the State of Israel's foreign policy for 60 years, and they're rather sick of getting blown up or starved for that cause.
Maybe Trump hasn't learned not to trust Kushner, but Kushner and Ivanka have distanced themselves from daddy. The people who would be staffing a 47 administration know where the problems came from.
Yes, because they are jealous little muslim bitches.
Sounds like your head cannon fanfic to me.
Ivanka testified against him to J6 while Kushner refused.
"misogynists" 1 - 0 stormcucks
What the other guy said about the US being Israel's golemn is accurate.
I would add that many of the terrorist groups that are targeted by jsoc were created by Israel (or western governments at the behest of Israel) for the purpose of destabilizing Israel's rivals. The happy byproduct of that destabilization being the push of refugees into Europe, and an erosion of their national identities.
It sounds ridiculous, but over the last 10 years I've had several MI squirrels tell me some version of this.
Yes.
I have absolutely no doubt that Fox is pushing DeSantis rather than Trump, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to believe this sort of crap from the MSM.
Trump has had a feud with Fox for a long time. Fox famously called Arizona against him early, which shifted the whole election night narrative against him.
Hannity was a huge simp for Trump, so I think if Hannity has cooled on him, it's because Hannity can read the tea leaves, not because management has a policy or forced Hannity to do anything.
Hannity never had an interesting thought in his life. He's just a mouthpiece for the Republican establishment.
Hannity was in love with Trump the whole time. Not much "establishment" with Trump.
For as long as the establishment tolerated him.
Could also be that muh fbi Hannity is a faggot shill. But more on that after the break...
Well that's all the time we have tonight folks.
Imagine the egg on Newsmax's face when Trump shows up on Fox news in a month.
>expecting Fox News to be anything other than controlled opposition
OMEGALUL
They are trying to destroy the Republican support. No thanks, the republicans can do that all by themselves.
Trump is great at marketing, but terrible at leadership. He got NOTHING done.
He didn't pardon Assange.
He didn't pardon Snowden.
DeSantis has more political machinery and knowledge.
You think DeSantis would have pardoned either?
I like the guy. He smashed Disney. But I don't see him doing anything of the sort.
I think the broader point is that he actually harms his enemies and rewards his allies rather than doing nothing.
Why the fuck are we taking another organization quoting the New York Times at their word, though?
We'll see if they have Trump on, or whatever, but this just looks like more anti-Trump nonsense from the failing New York Times.
Now, I wouldn't even be surprised if there's some element of truth here, as Fox is pretty cucked, but this article still loses major points by opening with a quote from the Times seemingly taken uncritically.
This is drama and bullshit.
Well shit I was all in for DeSantis, this might push me back to the trump train.
If the Dems wanted to ensure they run against Trump, this is what they would do to ensure DeSantis support deflates.
Fuck Fox, they are probably doing this on purpose to hurt Desantis and make Trump the nominee again.
Trump still praises OWS and still pals around with Kushner.
He has learned nothing.
Fuck Fox and anything they recommend. Globalist Uniparty controlled to make dumbasses on the right think they have options.
Still believe he isn't a puppet?
You call literally everyone a puppet.
Not everyone. I don't think Trump is. I think he's a little misguided, but I think he can follow the correct path and throw the feminist false flag TERFs off the Trump Train before it's too late. Push to ban castrating boys, that'll sicken them.
Yeah, you are a cultist. While you purport to oppose castrating boys, you supported Dr. Oz in the Pennsylvania primary, who is a strong supporter of castrating boys, because Trump told you to.
are you referring to circumcision as castration?
castration is cutting someone's balls off.
No, he's referring to Oz supporting Troons.
No, that's what I call genital mutilation.
Here I'm talking about Oz's support for transing little boys.