Trump has no chance in 2024. He's probably the only person in existence that even Biden would poll favorably against. Trump was funny and had some great tweets, but normie moderates hate him and think he's vulgar/mean. They won't vote for him no matter what. He would be fighting an uphill battle the entire time.
And while I liked his bants, on policy he was just a generic republican with a few flaws. DeSantis would be a more consistent conservative.
I also don't trust Trump to put the conservative movement before himself. He's an egomaniac who would gladly take the whole Right down with him. He damaged the right on 1/6 and fucked us over in the GA special elections, which resulted in the Democrats ramming trillions in extra spending the last few years. Fuck him for that. And instead of moving on, he is STILL whining about the election. No thanks.
Trump would win handily if the votes were counted honestly. But he didn't properly contest the election so anyone actually talking about 2024 like it matters is retarded.
Trump would win handily if the votes were counted honestly.
The best evidence that we have is that if all of the invalid ballots were discarded, Trump would have squeaked out a victory.
But he didn't properly contest the election so anyone actually talking about 2024 like it matters is retarded.
Trump didn't even have a legal team ready prior to the election and had to scramble to assemble one after the fact. That allowed grifters like Sidney Powell to swoop in and fuck everything up.
Read the actual comment I'm responding to. You really think Trump would have won 'handily'? Or would he have squeaked by? Gotta love the new style of argumentation, just call anyone who disagrees with you a 'denier'.
Oh yay another dumb Californian here to tell us he’s still the stupidest fuck in the room.
I also don't trust Trump to put the conservative movement before himself. He's an egomaniac who would gladly take the whole Right down with him. He damaged the right on 1/6 and fucked us over in the GA special elections, which resulted in the Democrats ramming trillions in extra spending the last few years. Fuck him for that. And instead of moving on, he is STILL whining about the election. No thanks.
How do you have to get everything so spectacularly wrong?
Not claiming you're a bot, but imagine replying to a comment about this being an astroturfing campaign with nothing but the literal talking points of the astroturfing campaign. Except for the 1/6 Reichstag point almost everything you said could have been said in 2016 when the GOP tried to stop him then. (except that time they made a fatal mistake of leaning on "lol he's just a clown he won't win")
And instead of moving on, he is STILL whining about the election.
Bless him. One of the few pieces of evidence that he's not part of the uniparty gayop. (unless it's one of those really complex 8-dimensional gayops)
Dude, he almost won in 2020 with the worst economy in human history, with a raging pandemic, billionaires putting in hundreds of millions against him, the media stacked against him, and massive electoral shenanigans.
That was when Biden was less senile and could hide in his basement, and hadn't made the total mess. What makes you think that Trump would be situated worse now?
Oh right, you'll just say stuff to advocate for your guy.
He's an egomaniac who would gladly take the whole Right down with him.
What makes you think that Trump would be situated worse now?
January 6 and Trump's tantrums about the election the past 1.5 years. There has been absolutely nothing going in Trump's favor since he lost. He just keeps digging his hole deeper because he can't get over it. All he ever does now is petty little revenge primaries which he mostly loses anyway.
Oh right, you'll just say stuff to advocate for your guy.
I don't have a guy, I have a CAUSE. DeSantis is the frontrunner for me right now because he seems like the best guy to advance my CAUSE of right wing values. If someone better shows up I will gladly switch.
Yes. And that is why there is no other choice.
I would rather go to war than bow down to being held hostage by Trump. If he tries to pull that shit, the fury of 1000 suns will come down on him, and I'll be on the front lines.
All he ever does now is petty little revenge primaries which he mostly loses anyway.
Didn't think you loved Liz Cheney this much. Or Brad Raffensperger who handed over his state to Stacey Abrams.
I don't have a guy, I have a CAUSE. DeSantis is the frontrunner for me right now because he seems like the best guy to advance my CAUSE of right wing values. If someone better shows up I will gladly switch.
The best guy is Trump, as you well know.
I would rather go to war than bow down to being held hostage by Trump. If he tries to pull that shit, the fury of 1000 suns will come down on him, and I'll be on the front lines.
So your vanity is more important to you than your supposed 'cause'. That is exactly the problem.
Cheney has nothing to do with Trump. Disloyalty to Trump is not a sin. Disloyalty to the PARTY/CONSERVATISM is an unforgivable sin. Cheney has TDS and it caused her to turn traitor. I've been against her the whole time.
Brad Raffensperger who handed over his state to Stacey Abrams.
Nothing wrong with Raffensperger. He did his job correctly and well. And Stacey Abrams? Raffensperger is the one who shut her down. She lost. "In 2019, Raffensperger fought 2018 Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams as she contested his action to remove 300,000 names from the voter registration rolls, and he won the case. In 2021, he removed over 100,000 additional names from the Georgia rolls, depending in part on data received from ERIC, the national Electronic Registration Information Center."
And Kemp is sailing to an easy re-election in 2022 since it's a red wave year. Abrams is going to remain a perpetual loser who only wins elections in Star Trek.
The best guy is Trump, as you well know.
Nope. Trump only cares about Trump. He has no principles. He is also a coward who bitched out in Syria, Afghanistan, and with the trade war against China the moment the polling didn't look favorable. I don't want a fair weather "right winger" like him just because he used to talk a lot of shit to the libs on twitter.
And don't tell me what I know. It's a "being obnoxious on purpose" move. I know my own mind. You do not.
So your vanity is more important to you than your supposed 'cause'. That is exactly the problem.
Wrong and absolutely idiotic, puerile thing for you to write. The truth is precisely the opposite. I actually have principles, and that means I will not allow Trump or the idiots who worship him to hold me and my cause hostage.
I'm not a coward to Russian nuke threats, and I'm not a coward to Trump civil war threats. Don't think you can push an American patriot around so easily.
Trump will BITCH OUT and BOW DOWN like he always does, and always has. Trump, at the end of the day, is a narcissistic coward who never takes risks, and never presses what looks like a losing battle, unless it's a pure con.
Trump gained votes because right wingers like me who did not vote in 2016 came out to vote for him, not because of moderates or swing voters.
Trump got 74m votes. Biden got 81m. It was a super high turnout election, and the people who hated Trump turned out harder. TDS is real. Trump will never win another national election.
Trump gained votes because right wingers like me who did not vote in 2016 came out to vote for him, not because of moderates or swing voters.
Source: trust me, bro. In reality, Trump gained votes from all of the dems key demos; blacks, gays and women. None of those groups are right wing.
It was a super high turnout election, and the people who hated Trump turned out harder.
They didnt, a lot of those votes are fraudulent, but even granting they were real, Biden is polling worse than Trump right now. There's going to be a point where the indoctrination gets overwritten by real world results, and the polls are reflecting that
And in fact, I know a not-insignificant amount of normies who have gone the other way.
They voted for Biden thinking that if they made the Orange Man go away that all of the Left Wing was rioting over and had spent 4 years attacking people at every turn, it would make them calm down. It is why they still voted Republican down the rest of the ticket. And besides, Biden is an old-school Dem and a moderate one, right? He cant be that bad.
Now, two years later, they see that none of that happened. The Left is still screaming about the Orange Man and attacking anyone who doesnt reeee about his mere existence. If anything, the rage and hysteria has escalated. Biden turned out to actually bend to the crazy Left Wingers they hated, and is so hilariously corrupt he makes Nixon look like a Boy Scout (try as the MSM might, they have indeed seen a lot of the Hunter stuff, as well as all of the new shit that has happened). And now, they are finding out all of the institutions and companies they once trusted are infested by the Left Wingers and are being weaponized to terrorize them even further.
So a lot of Normies are turning around, going back to Trump, and saying with bowed head "Perhaps I treated you too harshly."
and is so hilariously corrupt he makes Nixon look like a Boy Scout
The Obama and Biden administrations are honestly the most corrupt, criminal, and unconstitutional presidencies in history, and I'm including the Lincoln and Grant administration.
So a lot of Normies are turning around, going back to Trump, and saying with bowed head "Perhaps I treated you too harshly."
Firstly, look at the polls for the Republican Primaries. Trump is by far outpolling DeSantis, and usually outpolls all other candidates combined (i.e. over 50%). If Trump doesn't get the nomination, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if millions of Republicans did not vote simply because the 'deep state' cheated Trump out of a win. Furthermore, Trump can just, as he has in the past, spitefully threaten to run third-party, easily preventing any Republican win.
Secondly, Biden is now polling lower than Trump has been at this stage in his Presidency, despite the mass media endlessly shielding Biden in the same way that they launched a 24/7 barrage against Trump. The idea that Biden would win an election against Trump seems totally baseless. If anything, the Democrats have got to remove Biden to clearly win in 2024. I could only picture Trump losing against someone other than Biden.
Now, I don't picture the Republicans winning in 2024 no matter what happens, and I believe that the mid-terms will be far less decisive than this 'red wave' nonsense I keep hearing about. But so long as the Democrats don't stand Biden, they'll be fine; furthermore, I don't think it is implausible that they will firmly win every Federal election from here. For example, the Republicans haven't won the popular vote since 1988. Without the Electoral College, the Democrats possibly would have won every election since 1992 (i.e. if the popular vote determined the election outcome in every election, and they received it in all of them). Republicans have no idea how unpopular they actually are.
Thirdly, DeSantis is no better than Youngkin or any of these other characters that have popped up in recent times. They played up to Trump when it suited them and distanced themselves from him when it did not. Just like that Mehmet Oz character in recent weeks. They care about CRT because it's a pet issue of America's pseudo-Right; they couldn't care less about it if it wasn't. I don't see how Trump is worse than them.
Unless it's an extraordinary election, the midterms will be a red wave. It's a mid-term and a terrible economy, so the out-of-power party will gain a massive victory.
Whether Trump wins in 2024 will depend also mostly on the economy.
Trump has no chance in 2024. He's probably the only person in existence that even Biden would poll favorably against. Trump was funny and had some great tweets, but normie moderates hate him and think he's vulgar/mean. They won't vote for him no matter what. He would be fighting an uphill battle the entire time.
And while I liked his bants, on policy he was just a generic republican with a few flaws. DeSantis would be a more consistent conservative.
I also don't trust Trump to put the conservative movement before himself. He's an egomaniac who would gladly take the whole Right down with him. He damaged the right on 1/6 and fucked us over in the GA special elections, which resulted in the Democrats ramming trillions in extra spending the last few years. Fuck him for that. And instead of moving on, he is STILL whining about the election. No thanks.
Trump would win handily if the votes were counted honestly. But he didn't properly contest the election so anyone actually talking about 2024 like it matters is retarded.
The best evidence that we have is that if all of the invalid ballots were discarded, Trump would have squeaked out a victory.
Trump didn't even have a legal team ready prior to the election and had to scramble to assemble one after the fact. That allowed grifters like Sidney Powell to swoop in and fuck everything up.
Well if there was so much fraud and Trump couldn't prove it despite getting $100 million in donations, he is too incompetent.
Sorry, but this is pure delusion.
Wow, you’re a fraud denier on top of being a vaxtard lol
Read the actual comment I'm responding to. You really think Trump would have won 'handily'? Or would he have squeaked by? Gotta love the new style of argumentation, just call anyone who disagrees with you a 'denier'.
And what's a 'vaxtard'?
He would have handily won with electors. Probably another 330.
But that's the value of committing fraud in very specific counties, in very specific states, to get very specific results.
Oh yay another dumb Californian here to tell us he’s still the stupidest fuck in the room.
How do you have to get everything so spectacularly wrong?
Not claiming you're a bot, but imagine replying to a comment about this being an astroturfing campaign with nothing but the literal talking points of the astroturfing campaign. Except for the 1/6 Reichstag point almost everything you said could have been said in 2016 when the GOP tried to stop him then. (except that time they made a fatal mistake of leaning on "lol he's just a clown he won't win")
Bless him. One of the few pieces of evidence that he's not part of the uniparty gayop. (unless it's one of those really complex 8-dimensional gayops)
Seriously, the number of neo-liberal talking points here is startling.
I'm not saying Dekachin is a shill, but man he sounds like one.
Dude, he almost won in 2020 with the worst economy in human history, with a raging pandemic, billionaires putting in hundreds of millions against him, the media stacked against him, and massive electoral shenanigans.
That was when Biden was less senile and could hide in his basement, and hadn't made the total mess. What makes you think that Trump would be situated worse now?
Oh right, you'll just say stuff to advocate for your guy.
Yes. And that is why there is no other choice.
January 6 and Trump's tantrums about the election the past 1.5 years. There has been absolutely nothing going in Trump's favor since he lost. He just keeps digging his hole deeper because he can't get over it. All he ever does now is petty little revenge primaries which he mostly loses anyway.
I don't have a guy, I have a CAUSE. DeSantis is the frontrunner for me right now because he seems like the best guy to advance my CAUSE of right wing values. If someone better shows up I will gladly switch.
I would rather go to war than bow down to being held hostage by Trump. If he tries to pull that shit, the fury of 1000 suns will come down on him, and I'll be on the front lines.
Literal nothing-burger.
Didn't think you loved Liz Cheney this much. Or Brad Raffensperger who handed over his state to Stacey Abrams.
The best guy is Trump, as you well know.
So your vanity is more important to you than your supposed 'cause'. That is exactly the problem.
Cheney has nothing to do with Trump. Disloyalty to Trump is not a sin. Disloyalty to the PARTY/CONSERVATISM is an unforgivable sin. Cheney has TDS and it caused her to turn traitor. I've been against her the whole time.
Nothing wrong with Raffensperger. He did his job correctly and well. And Stacey Abrams? Raffensperger is the one who shut her down. She lost. "In 2019, Raffensperger fought 2018 Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams as she contested his action to remove 300,000 names from the voter registration rolls, and he won the case. In 2021, he removed over 100,000 additional names from the Georgia rolls, depending in part on data received from ERIC, the national Electronic Registration Information Center."
And Kemp is sailing to an easy re-election in 2022 since it's a red wave year. Abrams is going to remain a perpetual loser who only wins elections in Star Trek.
Nope. Trump only cares about Trump. He has no principles. He is also a coward who bitched out in Syria, Afghanistan, and with the trade war against China the moment the polling didn't look favorable. I don't want a fair weather "right winger" like him just because he used to talk a lot of shit to the libs on twitter.
And don't tell me what I know. It's a "being obnoxious on purpose" move. I know my own mind. You do not.
Wrong and absolutely idiotic, puerile thing for you to write. The truth is precisely the opposite. I actually have principles, and that means I will not allow Trump or the idiots who worship him to hold me and my cause hostage.
I'm not a coward to Russian nuke threats, and I'm not a coward to Trump civil war threats. Don't think you can push an American patriot around so easily.
Trump will BITCH OUT and BOW DOWN like he always does, and always has. Trump, at the end of the day, is a narcissistic coward who never takes risks, and never presses what looks like a losing battle, unless it's a pure con.
Friendly reminder that Trump gained millions of votes in his second run and broke records for votes gotten by any sitting president, ever.
Trump gained votes because right wingers like me who did not vote in 2016 came out to vote for him, not because of moderates or swing voters.
Trump got 74m votes. Biden got 81m. It was a super high turnout election, and the people who hated Trump turned out harder. TDS is real. Trump will never win another national election.
Source: trust me, bro. In reality, Trump gained votes from all of the dems key demos; blacks, gays and women. None of those groups are right wing.
They didnt, a lot of those votes are fraudulent, but even granting they were real, Biden is polling worse than Trump right now. There's going to be a point where the indoctrination gets overwritten by real world results, and the polls are reflecting that
All those groups have conservatives in them. The fact that the majority are left wing doesn't mean the right wingers are 0.
They did.
No, they were not. That's a delusional cope. Always has been.
Wrong. They are neck-and-neck. Meanwhile if DeSantis or someone similar is the candidate, it will be a red wave blowout.
I too have watched Tim Pool and he is wrong. Moderates really don't dislike Trump that much.
And he's already fighting an uphill battle, and has been doing so since 2015. That's not going to change if DeSantis does shit.
He really isn't. Some of his best jokes are about himself.
No? Even if people actually saw 1/6 as particularly negative, they don't blame him for it.
Again, absolutely not, that was the fucking Georgia RINO governor who completely fucked him and the Republican party.
Yeah, because Belorussian style elections are bad.
Why the fuck are you giving me Neo-Liberal talking points?
And in fact, I know a not-insignificant amount of normies who have gone the other way.
They voted for Biden thinking that if they made the Orange Man go away that all of the Left Wing was rioting over and had spent 4 years attacking people at every turn, it would make them calm down. It is why they still voted Republican down the rest of the ticket. And besides, Biden is an old-school Dem and a moderate one, right? He cant be that bad.
Now, two years later, they see that none of that happened. The Left is still screaming about the Orange Man and attacking anyone who doesnt reeee about his mere existence. If anything, the rage and hysteria has escalated. Biden turned out to actually bend to the crazy Left Wingers they hated, and is so hilariously corrupt he makes Nixon look like a Boy Scout (try as the MSM might, they have indeed seen a lot of the Hunter stuff, as well as all of the new shit that has happened). And now, they are finding out all of the institutions and companies they once trusted are infested by the Left Wingers and are being weaponized to terrorize them even further.
So a lot of Normies are turning around, going back to Trump, and saying with bowed head "Perhaps I treated you too harshly."
The Obama and Biden administrations are honestly the most corrupt, criminal, and unconstitutional presidencies in history, and I'm including the Lincoln and Grant administration.
Trump's Face When...
I don't watch Dim Fool, and anyone with common sense can see that normies hate Trump because they're stupid and care more about tone than policy.
Funny how you seem to have it ass-backwards.
Firstly, look at the polls for the Republican Primaries. Trump is by far outpolling DeSantis, and usually outpolls all other candidates combined (i.e. over 50%). If Trump doesn't get the nomination, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if millions of Republicans did not vote simply because the 'deep state' cheated Trump out of a win. Furthermore, Trump can just, as he has in the past, spitefully threaten to run third-party, easily preventing any Republican win.
Secondly, Biden is now polling lower than Trump has been at this stage in his Presidency, despite the mass media endlessly shielding Biden in the same way that they launched a 24/7 barrage against Trump. The idea that Biden would win an election against Trump seems totally baseless. If anything, the Democrats have got to remove Biden to clearly win in 2024. I could only picture Trump losing against someone other than Biden.
Now, I don't picture the Republicans winning in 2024 no matter what happens, and I believe that the mid-terms will be far less decisive than this 'red wave' nonsense I keep hearing about. But so long as the Democrats don't stand Biden, they'll be fine; furthermore, I don't think it is implausible that they will firmly win every Federal election from here. For example, the Republicans haven't won the popular vote since 1988. Without the Electoral College, the Democrats possibly would have won every election since 1992 (i.e. if the popular vote determined the election outcome in every election, and they received it in all of them). Republicans have no idea how unpopular they actually are.
Thirdly, DeSantis is no better than Youngkin or any of these other characters that have popped up in recent times. They played up to Trump when it suited them and distanced themselves from him when it did not. Just like that Mehmet Oz character in recent weeks. They care about CRT because it's a pet issue of America's pseudo-Right; they couldn't care less about it if it wasn't. I don't see how Trump is worse than them.
Unless it's an extraordinary election, the midterms will be a red wave. It's a mid-term and a terrible economy, so the out-of-power party will gain a massive victory.
Whether Trump wins in 2024 will depend also mostly on the economy.