That's always been the fundamental problem with anything resembling an "empire", as opposed to a more natural ethnostate, based on tribal affiliation, language, common behaviour/beliefs/"culture" etc. Yes, you can have "minorities", but they have to be willing to think and act like the majority (before the majority can accept "looks don't matter".)
But even a natural ethnostate can become big enough where even those who look and talk alike start to think differently, and want something different, and like a single-celled organism, that society will want to split. The problem comes when there's nowhere for the new behavioural/cultural minority to go, and the majority wants to keep control of the land its got (wars of secession have been seen in both chimps and wolves, and they both ended the same way - with the "rebel faction" being destroyed after trying to claim part of the original pack/troop's territory. Not sure about the chimps (probably Goodall's), but the wolves were from Mech's Isle Royale studies).
Anyway, there's more than one reason behind the increased interest in colonizing space, and the climate change criers of doom are secretly drooling at Antarctica becoming freed-up land ...
If the red states split off and did their own thing, do you think in the long term the left would leave them alone?
That said people should start thinking about moving to states/regions more in line with their socio-political affiliation for the simple tactical reason that there is strength in numbers. And if you're in a Blue state that didn't flip Red this election (or were in a previously Red state that flipped Blue), you should assume that it will be Blue for at least your lifetime.
We also didnt think that our cities would be on fire and race relations would be worse that in the 60s a decade ago. Color revolutions always go one way, and it always means mass slaughter.
The letter agencies and pentagon will be given authoritarian power that will make Obamas illegal surveillance look like childs play. Economic and democide deaths are going to skyrocket. We already sat by and watched as governors knowingly killed thousands of people and then turned around and blamed trump. We know that these people are willing to do anything and brush it under the rug. I know for a fact that they have already drawn up an assault weapons ban, and are itching to push it through. They will classify resistors as domestic terrorists and waco them. The media will spin on all wheels and people will sit by because they would rather live in authoritarianism than die for freedom.
Leftists already shot 2 Trumpers during the riots, injured more.
Every time leftists win there's misery and murder. Only takes time.
Look at the French and Russian revolution. Bolshies looted the palace and raped staff in the basements, killed the entire royal family including children. No arrests, no guilt.
No animal gets "left alone" in nature, especially not long term. The default state of man is to find a smaller, weaker tribe and take their shit. It's due to the proliferation of firearms among the population making conquest too risky that people decided to try out this crazy "capitalism" idea instead.
That's a great idea. Let's give the socialists whole swaths of territory they can do whatever they want with. It's not like their country would collapse, they would blame us, then use the hysteria as pretext to an invasion. ... Like literally every other time.
When has Appeasement to socialism ever not worked?
At what cost? Solar and wind continuously prove to be unreliable energy sources that require high turnaround. Wave energy is going to be the same basket, unreliable energy is ineffective energy.
I think the problem is that there's no geographic dividing lines. I agree somewhat that I'd like to live in a nation of people who are mostly on the same page rather than with those who think I'm evil, but I just don't see how we'd get there even if we wanted to.
I think the most likely scenario is a Biden win, then the Dems playing the demographics game for the next four years, thereby ensuring a succession of Dem governments. I'd be very surprised if they don't pursue that in some way, shape or form.
However in terms of balkanisation, that eventuality would really leave the conservative 'faction' with no leverage at all. So I don't think splitting off is viable at all (appreciate it's just "thinking out loud", and same here).
So? Just flood the countryside with fanatics. Soviet/ISIS/Antifa style. Not like they can afford to feed them.
CDC and Sandia labs were indoctrinated by Critical Race Theory. A few Chernobyls and mysteriously missing plagues will.solve the rural question. Leftists feel no guilt.
I think a key problem you run into here is while the division is very clear, it's spread all over.
Even if you pick out a place that stands out as very conservative, let's say Arkansas--you've got fairly strong Democrat counties directly bordering strong Republican counties. Texas is even worse in this regard. Austin is not at all politically similar to pretty much anything outside of it's metro area.
So what do you do, split them up and force people to migrate?
State splits. At gunpoint. Giant red rural areas standing up and saying “No, we will not be ruled at the whims of a single city ever again.” They can give up their claim to the Senate, not like they ever had Senators in there anyway. But they will get to take their share of electoral votes.
I've been saying that for years. I have nothing in common with some fuckin' Portland nonbinary dyke, and I certainly don't want to live in the same country as one.
The US was always supposed to be a union of sovereign states anyhow. Any outcome of the election that further erodes faith in the electoral process, no matter who wins, is a good outcome in the long term in my eyes.
I'm not naive though. Its extremely unlikely that a divorce would be peaceful. A Civil War WILL eventually happen, if only because even if a peaceful divorce DOES happen, the left cannot permit dissent in any corner of the Earth and so they will attempt to use force in order to push their ideology regardless.
Who the fuck cares, as long as you have your own food security, really?
What to do with surplus food? Breed battle bears. Cheese and crispies, man, but the lust for decadent foreign luxuries is what got the white man in the mess he's in, in the first place!
The issue at least partly appears to be that states like CA feel entitled to federal funds taxed from other states. For that reason alone states like CA dare not let the other states leave, they depend upon appropriating taxes from other people to function.
California had a debt of $151,715,007,000 in fiscal year 2015. The state debt per capita was $3,891. This ranked California first among the states in debt and 14th in per capita debt. The total state debt owned by the 50 states was $1.15 trillion with a per capita debt of $3,582.[1]
California's economy, with a gross state product of $3.0 trillion, is the largest sub-national economy in the world. If it were a country, California would be the fifth-largest economy in the world,
I don't think balkanization is the right answer, but we do need to allow for areas to reorganize themselves if they're not being represented properly. It might even take reform into regional centers of power that then participate in a national government, but as of right now constituencies are not being accurately represented.
I like my solution -- split up more states into North South East or West depending on the demographic layout. A bunch of Democrats move into Southern TX (like they are doing), make South Texas a state and leave them there to govern themselves, while North Texas remains free and red. Do the same with any other states where this is happening.
We need to go back
W H I T E L A N D O W N I N G M E N
Cities are corrupt mismanaged cesspits where nobody owns anything, merely rents it.
That's always been the fundamental problem with anything resembling an "empire", as opposed to a more natural ethnostate, based on tribal affiliation, language, common behaviour/beliefs/"culture" etc. Yes, you can have "minorities", but they have to be willing to think and act like the majority (before the majority can accept "looks don't matter".)
But even a natural ethnostate can become big enough where even those who look and talk alike start to think differently, and want something different, and like a single-celled organism, that society will want to split. The problem comes when there's nowhere for the new behavioural/cultural minority to go, and the majority wants to keep control of the land its got (wars of secession have been seen in both chimps and wolves, and they both ended the same way - with the "rebel faction" being destroyed after trying to claim part of the original pack/troop's territory. Not sure about the chimps (probably Goodall's), but the wolves were from Mech's Isle Royale studies).
Anyway, there's more than one reason behind the increased interest in colonizing space, and the climate change criers of doom are secretly drooling at Antarctica becoming freed-up land ...
If the red states split off and did their own thing, do you think in the long term the left would leave them alone?
That said people should start thinking about moving to states/regions more in line with their socio-political affiliation for the simple tactical reason that there is strength in numbers. And if you're in a Blue state that didn't flip Red this election (or were in a previously Red state that flipped Blue), you should assume that it will be Blue for at least your lifetime.
I don't know what the solution is, but retreating from communists to the countryside has typically resulted in artificial famines and genocide.
I think it's part of the solution. It's a lot easier to defend yourself when you're in a group than alone.
I'm pretty sure that you aren't getting famine and genocide in the US in the next four years...
We also didnt think that our cities would be on fire and race relations would be worse that in the 60s a decade ago. Color revolutions always go one way, and it always means mass slaughter.
I'm on your side for this election, 100%, but some wild terminology is being thrown around here.
You really expect mass slaughter in the next four years?
The letter agencies and pentagon will be given authoritarian power that will make Obamas illegal surveillance look like childs play. Economic and democide deaths are going to skyrocket. We already sat by and watched as governors knowingly killed thousands of people and then turned around and blamed trump. We know that these people are willing to do anything and brush it under the rug. I know for a fact that they have already drawn up an assault weapons ban, and are itching to push it through. They will classify resistors as domestic terrorists and waco them. The media will spin on all wheels and people will sit by because they would rather live in authoritarianism than die for freedom.
Yes.
Leftists already shot 2 Trumpers during the riots, injured more.
Every time leftists win there's misery and murder. Only takes time.
Look at the French and Russian revolution. Bolshies looted the palace and raped staff in the basements, killed the entire royal family including children. No arrests, no guilt.
If a Pegasus carrying Heracles shit a gold brick on my front lawn, it wouldn't make my 2020 Top 10 Crazy Things That Actually Happened.
No.
And it's never happened either.
No animal gets "left alone" in nature, especially not long term. The default state of man is to find a smaller, weaker tribe and take their shit. It's due to the proliferation of firearms among the population making conquest too risky that people decided to try out this crazy "capitalism" idea instead.
That's a great idea. Let's give the socialists whole swaths of territory they can do whatever they want with. It's not like their country would collapse, they would blame us, then use the hysteria as pretext to an invasion. ... Like literally every other time.
When has Appeasement to socialism ever not worked?
How are you going to separate when every state has a 30% population of absolute nutcases?
Promise legal weed if they move lol
Just let California separate. They are the source of many problems.
CA doesn't have enough water to support domestic farming on their own.
They'd fail almost instantly.
I think there's already tech that converts salt water to clean water though I don't know how efficient that is.
Where is the energy to support such a massive scale project coming from?
Already, right now, California has been having trouble keeping up with energy production with all the absurd restrictions they have.
I think modern tech could solve that. Recently I saw a type of wave generator to generate electricity by the ocean waves.
life isn't star trek, buddy
Doesn't need to be, pal.
At what cost? Solar and wind continuously prove to be unreliable energy sources that require high turnaround. Wave energy is going to be the same basket, unreliable energy is ineffective energy.
Don't know the details.
I think the problem is that there's no geographic dividing lines. I agree somewhat that I'd like to live in a nation of people who are mostly on the same page rather than with those who think I'm evil, but I just don't see how we'd get there even if we wanted to.
Historically: one side gets genocided....
Historically, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot are heroes while Franco, Pinochet, Hitler were monsters.
fuck that noise, the dirty commies and darkies can up and leave anytime they want
You white supremacists can leave as well
I think the most likely scenario is a Biden win, then the Dems playing the demographics game for the next four years, thereby ensuring a succession of Dem governments. I'd be very surprised if they don't pursue that in some way, shape or form.
However in terms of balkanisation, that eventuality would really leave the conservative 'faction' with no leverage at all. So I don't think splitting off is viable at all (appreciate it's just "thinking out loud", and same here).
Last time a faction was left without a voice was 1860...
It's coming.
And that ended terribly for the secessionists. This time it would be far, far quicker and more comprehensive.
The North won because it had more money, industry, manpower.
Modern rurals have no money.
But they have more weapons (and not just "guns"), and tend to recognize a weapon when they see one.
So? Just flood the countryside with fanatics. Soviet/ISIS/Antifa style. Not like they can afford to feed them.
CDC and Sandia labs were indoctrinated by Critical Race Theory. A few Chernobyls and mysteriously missing plagues will.solve the rural question. Leftists feel no guilt.
"Diversity" ultimately collapses every empire.
I think a key problem you run into here is while the division is very clear, it's spread all over.
Even if you pick out a place that stands out as very conservative, let's say Arkansas--you've got fairly strong Democrat counties directly bordering strong Republican counties. Texas is even worse in this regard. Austin is not at all politically similar to pretty much anything outside of it's metro area.
So what do you do, split them up and force people to migrate?
That’s whattl happen if they get rid of the electoral college.
Take ever single military and federal asset out of California.
Nuke it.
State splits. At gunpoint. Giant red rural areas standing up and saying “No, we will not be ruled at the whims of a single city ever again.” They can give up their claim to the Senate, not like they ever had Senators in there anyway. But they will get to take their share of electoral votes.
Yeah, actually, State Secessionism is a thing that I've argued could still happen going forward.
No. Because Texas' blue rump would have more votes than the good part of Texas. And that's usually true.
The real pro-gamer move is to just aggressively prosecute all their crimes, and strip the franchise from the Demonrats.
I've been saying that for years. I have nothing in common with some fuckin' Portland nonbinary dyke, and I certainly don't want to live in the same country as one.
The US was always supposed to be a union of sovereign states anyhow. Any outcome of the election that further erodes faith in the electoral process, no matter who wins, is a good outcome in the long term in my eyes.
I'm not naive though. Its extremely unlikely that a divorce would be peaceful. A Civil War WILL eventually happen, if only because even if a peaceful divorce DOES happen, the left cannot permit dissent in any corner of the Earth and so they will attempt to use force in order to push their ideology regardless.
Rush Limbaugh suggest a split between left and right. I would be down with that
... What?
Trade and therefore ports make a rich territory. Without markets and loans you will become irrelavant agarian nobodies.
Thing is, Communists have proved themselves to be shitty farmers, because they put ideology before biology.
Who are you going to trade your surplus food with? Literal medieval peasant-tier civilization?
Who the fuck cares, as long as you have your own food security, really?
What to do with surplus food? Breed battle bears. Cheese and crispies, man, but the lust for decadent foreign luxuries is what got the white man in the mess he's in, in the first place!
push everything west of the san andreas fault into the ocean
It is the only hope for White Americans.
I'd call that some sort of inalienable right.
The issue at least partly appears to be that states like CA feel entitled to federal funds taxed from other states. For that reason alone states like CA dare not let the other states leave, they depend upon appropriating taxes from other people to function.
Kidnap people? lol
What do you mean?
Ah, right.
California is the state that produces the most income to the US. The rest are gonna be fucked (except for Texas and New York)
But they also produce a significant amount of income to the US
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https://ballotpedia.org/California_state_debt
California's economy, with a gross state product of $3.0 trillion, is the largest sub-national economy in the world. If it were a country, California would be the fifth-largest economy in the world,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California#cite_note-16
And yet it is most in debt.
Most curious.
I guess the debt is manageable because California brings in a lot of money
It's manageable because Cali isn't paying, especially pensions lmao
Cali supposedly earns 5 trillion, why can't they pay 1.05 trillion?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/05/19/why-california-is-in-trouble--340000-public-employees-with-100000-paychecks-cost-taxpayers-45-billion/
It won't for long with the way things are going.
The only Red state that can rival is Texas
I was referring to CA and TX are getting CA refugees. I just hope it doesn't turn blue.
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I don't think balkanization is the right answer, but we do need to allow for areas to reorganize themselves if they're not being represented properly. It might even take reform into regional centers of power that then participate in a national government, but as of right now constituencies are not being accurately represented.
Russia and China are gonna love your idea
I like my solution -- split up more states into North South East or West depending on the demographic layout. A bunch of Democrats move into Southern TX (like they are doing), make South Texas a state and leave them there to govern themselves, while North Texas remains free and red. Do the same with any other states where this is happening.