Porn is the bandaid for the issue that very few of people who make these kinds of posts want to talk about, too many see what would happen if they played russian roullete with a fully loaded gun and all those who talk abiut porn are w8lling to turn a blind eye on how the 'fairer sex' of today destroy young men's lives with false accusations, divorce, infidelity and downright parasitic behaviour, and before you moronically follow the script ane go "Not All" YES, Enough of them to the point where if I put a fully loaded gun in my mouth, it might misfire when I pull the trigger, but I'd have to be a fucking moron to do so, almost as stupid as a single skin cell worth of stupidity of those who want to ban the alternative without doing anything about what drived them to it
Both are true. Modern women ruin your life and porn is bad for you. Porn does not replace the need for women and we're seeing more and more young adults with ed and it is a cause for depression.
I was just pointing out that you were arguing against something Streetshame never wrote.
But I'm gonna jump into this discussion and point out that stabbing yourself in the left arm to distract you from your broken legs actually works. Albeit briefly.
A bandaid on the other hand doesn't do anything except protect the wound and ensure that you don't accidentally make it worse. Which is a good allegory for masturbation. It won't fulfill your need for a sexual relationship but it'll at least prevent your libido from driving you insane.
But does that mean pornography is good? No. But the concept of pornography in and of itself isn't bad either. The modern porn industry on the other hand is bad as it is a cesspool of truly heinous individuals who like to exploit vulnerable young men and women and truly fuck them up for life.
It's not just exploiting it's the fact that it fucks up your brain. There is a reason why guys go to more extreme porn as time goes, normal porn no longer works. You can't hit that dopamine button at any time and expect to not have side effects. You end up with guys with ed where a woman having normal sex may not even do it for them.
We've always had virgins and we didn't have porn for most of history and yet guys managed and I would think better then now. There should be a solution without porn.
That being said, porn with AI and VR will be wild. Custom porn with what ever you want, where you can have actual conversations may be humanity's last invention. At this point only the very religious societies survive.
You end up with guys with ed where a woman having normal sex may not even do it for them.
That's the case for men who already have an active sex life while getting addicted to porn. Sex addicts.
A virgin who's never had sex before will most definitely not have problems getting aroused if he or she finally gets some. If there'll be problems it'll because of nervousness which isn't anything new or unusual.
But yes a porn addiction will fuck you up like every other addiction will.
We've always had virgins and we didn't have porn for most of history and yet guys managed and I would think better then now.
Porn has little to do with it. The relationship between men and women is completely messed up but not because of porn but because of social media and other far more damaging factors than porn.
But porn is generally extremely harmful to kids. Not adults though.
There should be a solution without porn.
Like I already stated porn isn't a solution. Porn and masturbation is incapable of being a substitute for physical human contact. Porn is if anything a bandaid.
Custom porn with what ever you want, where you can have actual conversations may be humanity's last invention.
Which shows that men (and women) seek human(-like) interaction.
At this point only the very religious societies survive.
Not because they don't have access to porn though but because the 'natural order' of human society is still intact.
Is this fellow trying to blame being a virgin on porn? lol?
I mean, I get ops point of view, I think couples would be closer if porn wasnt a thing, for sure, but at the same time people have such unrealistic expectations, on both sides. Sex should be a close thing where both parties are comfortable with each other. Its not some special super rare thing, its literally built into us to procreate.
You know I was thankful for porn the years I didnt have a g/f, never occurred to blame my relationship problems on porn.
Half my problem was just not knowing what the fuck was going on, which is I imagine is what this person in ops video is dealing with. With shit like tinder, it must be hard as fuck these days to find anything lasting or meaning. That shit will create more fucked up dopamine cycles than just porn would.
But if were going down the "porn is evil" route. I just had to point out that people who say this dont really know about human history.
How old do you think something like the kama sutra is? About 2500 years old I guess.
They were building temples in india with dicks/vaginas all over them.
However, the best-preserved and most graphic example of erotic temple art can be found in the small town of Khajuraho in the central Indian state of Madhya Pradesh. Its elegantly carved Hindu temples were declared a Unesco World Heritage site in 1986. Built by the Chandela dynasty between 950 and 1050, only 22 of the 85 original temples remain.
When I entered the 6sqkm site late one winter afternoon, the sandstone glowed a burnished gold. Local women carried fresh flowers and incense sticks for their prayers, while visitors perambulated the outer corridors, gawking at the profuse and intricate sculptures that covered every inch of the walls. There were images of gods and goddesses, warriors and musicians, animals and birds. It could have been a scene from any temple in India.
Many of these carvings were of an intensely erotic nature, featuring men, women and animals.
But on closer inspection, many of these carvings were of an intensely erotic nature, featuring men, women and animals. There were depictions of threesomes, orgies and bestiality. Although I knew what to expect, I was still taken aback by shapely maidens and virile men contorting their bodies in impossible sexual positions, right next to sculptures of divine beings smiling blissfully at the devout. Although a few stones were chipped and several limbs broken, the carvings were incredibly pristine, considering that the temples are more than 1,000 years old.
Dudes have been tying stones to their dicks for thousands of years lmao.
Attaching weights to the penis in an attempt to gain length is not a new practice. The Sadhus holy men of India and males of the Cholomec tribe in Peru have long used this technique to try to lengthen their penises.
Penis exercise is based on the microtear theory. The idea is that penis weights place tension on the penis, creating microtrauma. As the tissues heal and repair, penile tissue cells multiply and regenerate (hyperplasia), increasing girth and length.
Currently, there is no clinical evidence to indicate that penis weights work, and experts advise that this practice could potentially cause serious damage to the genitals.
Humans are extremely sexual creatures, its kinda unreasonable to expect males, and females to wait for a perfect time just to copulate. I suppose thats the whole reason were capable of masturbating in the first place, like many other mammalian species lmao.
I know, fucking weird ass thought chains sometimes.
That might happen in the UK and still not fix the underlying problem.
I have no doubt in the Labour party's ability to over-govern, get slaughtered in the next general election, and result in a reactionary government that dismantles the censorship state and kicks out all the foreigners.
Ya maybe those men will do something productive, build themselves and their communities, and attain families instead of blowing their motivation and energy on cam whores and only fans sluts.
Its depressing and it depresses these men. It creates more unstable men, disenfranchised men, apathetic men, dissociated men, and weak men that perpetuates a cycle of alienation that is guaranteed to harm the man who uses porn.
This is like a heroin addict saying if he doesn't use he will be angry and cause problems so just give him his cope. And yes, porn is just as poisonous as heroin
Easier said than done when any potential spouse has the institutional power to ruin your life and clean out your bank account.
It's terrible how bad things have gotten, but it's also understandable. Trying to find a good woman to build a family with these days is like playing Russian roulette with your life, reputation and money.
Because even if you do everything right, she can just up and deicide that "things just aren't working out" and ditch you for someone else. It's worse if you're married, because you run the risk of loosing everything you've built up to that point since the courts will almost always side with the woman, regardless of how ridiculous her reasons for leaving you are.
I see men choosing porn over chasing actual women, like a guy choosing to chug down a can of chemical and corn syrup laden soda over a drinking normal bottle of water, because the bottle of regular water is in the middle of a radioactive minefield.
I assure you the Russo-Ukrainian porn models are a hundredfold more attractive than the average American woman. It may be a fantasy, but it's a good fantasy.
what do we do with these men who simply can't succeed in the dating market and still have those natural innate urges?
That's the neat part. Without the anesthesia of gooning, their anger and frustration will keep building up until they burn this toxic modern society to the ground. Then the survivors can claim a war bride.
There is a massive difference between high speed -4k anything you want to see ever-on demand-vr-ai-rule 34 porn, and a book written about sex positions with cartoon drawings.
The fact you use the kama sutra as cover for modern porn derails your argument and shows you aren't even arguing honestly but are trying to excuse modern porn degeneracy.
Coomers got assmad over this but it's true. It's like comparing the Venus de Milo or any other classical nude to BLACKED or whatever someone's degenerate fetish is. Appreciating the human form is fine. Getting an intentional dopamine overdose and burning out your brain's pleasure reward centers isn't the same ballpark, league, or sport. We're meant to be metered little droplets of it for doing the right things with our lives not turning on a firehose on command.
I agree with the general thrust of what you’re saying, but I would point out that the relatively recent advent of hardcore, HD, internet porn—and access to increasingly specific fetish content in written and drawn form as well—is completely removed from all historical precedent. When someone over a certain age says “we had porn growing up,” they tend to be thinking of a couple Playboys they stashed, maybe one or two videotapes that made the rounds… what their kids, male and female, can access very easily is a hundred different gangbang bukakke videos, or dozens of pieces of erotic fiction about being kidnapped and raped.
Is it necessarily an “oh my god, this is doing unthinkable damage, we need to censor everything everywhere, time to roll out the draconian ID laws” type of crisis? Probably not. But is it just as harmless as crude drawings of dicks and a handful of porno mags? That’s probably not the case either.
then fix what drives them to porn instead of trying to shove your head up your ass you fucking moron! Shit like this is why the right ALWAYS snatches defear from the jaws of victory!
Except it's not just the lack of quality women driving people to porn. Married guys are addicted to porn, women are addicted to porn. Making women better will help (mainly by preventing them becoming camgirls) but you also have to make society on the whole better (which is probably necessary to make women better too), including men. Not everything is 100% some other group's fault, you know.
I agree that it's harmful for people and they need to do what they can to avoid it. But most people here are aware that porn addiction is a symptom of greater societal ills. So while the message of "don't watch porn, it's bad for you" is still a good one, I can see how it can rub certain people the wrong way, because it's not like they have a solid quality woman to fall back on.
Edit: Yep, kept reading and the very next comment was calling exactly this out in more detail.
The issue with this line of thinking is assuming that porn use isn't affecting your ability to go out, do things, and meet with people.
Men after orgasm are satiated and won't expend effort on much, which includes non sexual ventures like business, hobbies, or platonic/familial relationships.
Porn redirects male energy into a screen whore, it exhausts men, and slowly destroys men's confidence while warping his view of sex, which should be for bonding and building a family.
That is all true, but it doesn't change the reality that mass porn addiction is a symptom, not the root problem. A very problematic symptom, but a symptom nonetheless.
The deck is stacked against men in many aspects of society and relationships. For many men, having more energy is not going to be the difference between being a porn addicted virgin and being a happily married family man. Now, it would likely be the difference for a small percentage, but not for a large amount. Anyone asserting it would be some transformative change for society without fixing other factors is deluding themselves.
No porn is a causative issue of these problems. I totally disagree. You're just asserting things without proof. Porn is proven to cause mental issues and brain restructuring as well as dopamine overstimulation.
It is not, the same thing happened to Rome when women got economic power two thousand years ago.
You want to end this, you need to find a moral rationale for forcing feminism and all the white knights back into obedience to patriarchy. So far as we've seen the only culture with the stones to do that is Islam, and there are doubts about how long even they can hold out.
Like, if CHINA, MOTHERFUCKING PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA can't find it in themselves to make back to the kitchen into state policy, do you think we have any chance of doing it in a representative democracy?
It's a factor, but you're kidding yourself if you think the problems we are facing regarding breakdown in relationships, loneliness, marriage rates, fertility rates, etc would be solved by eliminating porn. They would not be.
That doesn't mean I am saying porn is good or that it doesn't restructure the brain, or that eliminating it wouldn't move the needle at all.
The entire culture around relationships and the toxic nature of many modern women does not go away by eliminating porn. Rigged family courts do not get fixed by eliminating porn. Dating apps giving mid women an over inflated sense of value and eternally screwing how their mind views relationships does not go away by eliminating porn etc etc.
Always the extremes. Never watching porn or always watching porn multiple times a day.
It's the same pseudo-religious shit like vegans & former alcoholics. They overconsumed things, had (health) issues. But it cannot be that the majority of the population is fine with consuming those things in moderation. Cause that would mean that they're weak. So they jump into their fervor to convince themselves & preach to the masses that they found true enlightenment.
If you jerk it multiple times a day to porn for hours? Stop. If you need "extra reinforcement to avoid watching it" you have a problem and it's probably best for your to stay away from it. The people who jerk it once/twice a week to porn are not having an issue with porn.
As long as you use the same argument for things like alcohol. I rarely drink. By no stretch of the imagination would anyone ever try to argue that I have an alcohol addiction. For someone who drinks a bit more, say one or twice a week and never goes overboard, similarly it would be difficult to argue that's an issue.
For right or wrong, porn is viewed similarly. Most people are happy to draw a line somewhere, just not at zero like the absolutists.
That being said, at bare minimum it needs to go back to being stigmatized much much more than currently. Letting people talk about it openly and even participate in it openly without social consequences has been a huge mistake.
Its really amazing how many of the same arguments used against porn, and other vices, mirror those used for Prohibition back in the day.
But nobody wants to acknowledge that because most of these guys want to have their beers still and also that was "government bad overreach" so its totally different this time and will absolutely work.
The fact that you say this and assume its an innate issue instead of a problem with you says a lot.
Porn is bad on levels that all of us could write essays on, but if you find it "wildly addicting" that's a sign of your own life or brain having a greater problem that needs addressing, of which porn is merely the coping mechanism.
We need to curb the problem porn is doing on our populations, but attacking the end result as if it itself is the actual problem is as foolish as the War on Drugs was to stopping that crisis. We need to curb the problems that drive people to want to consume porn on a level that they can even become addicted in the first place.
Yes I'll freely admit I have my own issues with porn addiction. The vast majority of men have porn addiction. That's why nofap or porn free is such a challenge. And even if you have the self control or discipline to not actually coom for 30 days, your brain is still rewired on those reward pathways and you'll still be yearning for it. Especially if you get stressed or upset, like a smoker going for a cig.
People consume porn because we are wired to be excited when seeing sexually explicit women. You won't curb that desire as its highjacking your natural reproductive instinct.
Ya having a family is expensive. But I guess men would rather jerk off in their goon cave alone until they are older and mentally weaker and get abused by randoms until the die alone in a long term care facility. I guess that's cheaper.
Most gooners have long since given up on dreams and thinking about their future in anyway beyond "die of something stupid like an OD before 50." They are the actual end of Men Going Their Own Way, and that way is pure hedonism.
You aren't going to shame them into changing, thoughts of a beautiful family and Americana Dreams mean nothing to their broken, nihilistic outlooks on life.
Yes that is the path of the coomer. I'm arguing against these people for the people around here trying to do better for themselves. Read their cope comments. Their pathetic excuses for why porn is good, or even traditional, or how porn is a good ally in their fight against feminism and family courts.
Anybody who has accepted porn is part of why we are in this hellish society, and are now working on trying to get away from it, like me, can see the same defensive commentary from addicts, gamblers, and neurotics. They love to scream about how they don't have a problem with it, it's just YOU! "I can control my use! I don't have a problem".
Guys, stop, get help, embrace your family. We don't have to live like bugmen fused to our screen, cooming.
Guys, stop, get help, embrace your family. We don't have to live like bugmen fused to our screen, cooming.
You aren't going to shame them into changing, thoughts of a beautiful family and Americana Dreams mean nothing to their broken, nihilistic outlooks on life.
Whatever you are attempting to accomplish, you are failing by being the worst spokesman for your issue possible, using methods that fail in every form of rehabilitation or addiction helping, and generally coming across terribly.
Unlike you I was never even in danger of becoming addicted to it, so you should get off your high horse when you are barely a few steps above them given you admitted yourself that you actually have issues with it yourself.
You are a weak man trying to act tough by beating a bar that's nearly on the floor, you will inspire no one nor improve them until you actually give a shit about doing so. Rather than stroking your own ego about how clever you are for beating a game most of us didn't even have to try to win at.
Men are just dopamine wringing their brains in goon caves while they can instead of dealing with reality.
"Fix society for us losers and we will stop living in our goon caves".
This is why our society is failing. Men dragging each other down crab in a bucket style, and then getting angry cause better men haven't fixed society for them? Help fix it for your brothers instead of being the defensive weak link.
Men dragging each other down crab in a bucket style
And that's the problem, you have the causal relationship backwards.
Help fix it for your brothers
I HAVE NO FAITH that the man next to me will refrain from going white knight and stabbing me in the back to win the quick beta bux points. Hell, I have no faith that YOU are willing to go as far as the situation will require. We banned TheImp for saying less than what I would say.
If we can't even talk about the hard measures that will be necessary to win, then why should I believe you or anyone else is truly committed to winning?
And I'm not asking you to. Because there is literally nothing you can say that would convince me you're not duplicitously trying to get me to go full TheImp so you can betray me as surely as Robert Ford shooting Jesse James for the $5000.
Instead of blanket banning porn, let’s look the problem as to why it’s popular.
Women have been told 1 out of 3 men will physically rape you. They have also been told men need to make 6 figures, be 6 feet, have 6 inches, and have a 6 pack to be a good “partner.” Women are also told they need to make money and provide nothing for a man.
Men have been called unwanted in every aspect outside of their money. Men have also been told to move over and let women into every aspect of their life other than physical contact with them (not just sex, but even a hug is considered rape if unwarranted 5-10 years later.)
We have a loneliness epidemic that a generation of mistrust and ignorance of what the definition of a relationships is and how they work. Porn is just a symptom of this bigger issue.
So porn is why most women these days think they're all 10s who deserve to be pampered like princesses over settling for a dude with a bright future like in the old days?
Saying porn is the main cause of the loneliness epidemic is like saying access to guns causes school shootings.
Yes porn, as part of sexual liberation and sexualization of young people, plays a major role in disrupting pair bonding and normal mate seeking. Many young women produce porn and porn adjacent thirst trapping because they see how many men become simps for it.
If they didn't have lucrative options to whore themselves out they would seek lucrative marriages instead. Porn is definitely part of the establishment plan to disrupt healthy families and target young men and women.
All addictions cause loneliness and isolation. Most addictions start from external factors, genetics, or trauma. From chems to gambling, you don’t take the addiction away to cure it. All you do is make people get it illegally and create black markets. You need to cure what is causing it.
In some instances, physicians will give an addict their controlled substance but in smaller doses. It weans the body off it until it can cope without it. This goes along side other medical treatments and social support. Cold turkey has such a strain on a body, it’s only used in short term addicts. Long term addicts that go cold can cause heart attacks.
Cutting pornography from intense addicts will result in them getting hooked on another vice. There’s a reason why digital gambling/gatcha games have become extremely popular now.
The production of porn needs to be banned. The fact so many young women in their teenage years look forward to turning 18 so they can get onlyfans is absolutely insane.
Porn isn't the problem. It's the state of the industry built around porn that is the issue. If it were just horny people sharing drawings and tapes, it'd be a subculture or dirty secret.
In the same way that if journalism was about honestly informing people, it wouldn't be the problem it is today. Or if film making was about telling good stories, it wouldn't be the problem it is today. Or if banking was about keeping people's assets secure, it wouldn't be the problem it is today.
Except they're not. They've all become tools to control us.
Porn was strategically made fee and mass professionally produced right when White Millennials were coming of age to reproduce. Now that the windows is nearly gone, the ladder is getting pulled up.
Rape stats have dropped massively since outlets, such as porn, have been freely available.
Those against porn are pro-rape (Using leftist extreme rhetoric - that they call Gish galloping when it suits).
"Women don't need no man", independent entrepreneurs and introverts all win.
The species will go on, it's now just a matter of which ones will exploit the current situation to propagate the most and which ones will go and fuck themselves.
That's the true core of the argument here. Western governments have emptied the compassion of its citizens and so they'll die out quietly and without a fight.
The blue haired land whales will join hareems and have their offspring cast aside as mistakes. But, you know, they win in the end...
The moral busybodies switched political sides again.
Just like how we went from tradcucks screaming about how dnd is satanist propaganda, to Anita and her radfem ilk going on and on about "misogyny and objectification" in video games.
The Gish gallop refers to bringing up a whole bunch of arguments in quick succession so that your opponent won't be able to respond to them all. The term was invented by trust-the-science Eugenie Scott who was butthurt that evolutionists were losing debates to creationist Duane Gish, but it's useful to be aware of the tactic.
As I have stated before I didn't stop viewing porn because I became a better person. I stopped because it got really fucking weird. You have to dig to find normal sexuality now, and women who aren't tatted up, gotten implants, plastic surgery, etc. The sheer drop in female quality from even a decade or two ago is mind boggling.
Also, as several others have noted, porn is a symptom not the cause. You want to stop your little girls from engaging in this behavior? Then you have to stop them, punish them. Disown them if they cause trouble like your ancestors would. Attacking and shaming young boys in your area only humiliates the boys in your area, it does not stop the boys from other worlds.
Ha! I’ve no soul, and I’ve sold my dignity to the joos centuries ago for a couple million shekels and some good goy points. My time? My time is worthless.
I would have never entertained ts stuff if it weren't for porn. At least I didn't act on it irl but I was perfectly normal before porn. I even think I even have issues with erections because of so much time spent on degeneracy. I want my purity back. I'm slowing my consumption trying to reach 0 watch time. It is for the best. Wish me and my sex life luck.
looks at modern women
Porn is the bandaid for the issue that very few of people who make these kinds of posts want to talk about, too many see what would happen if they played russian roullete with a fully loaded gun and all those who talk abiut porn are w8lling to turn a blind eye on how the 'fairer sex' of today destroy young men's lives with false accusations, divorce, infidelity and downright parasitic behaviour, and before you moronically follow the script ane go "Not All" YES, Enough of them to the point where if I put a fully loaded gun in my mouth, it might misfire when I pull the trigger, but I'd have to be a fucking moron to do so, almost as stupid as a single skin cell worth of stupidity of those who want to ban the alternative without doing anything about what drived them to it
Both are true. Modern women ruin your life and porn is bad for you. Porn does not replace the need for women and we're seeing more and more young adults with ed and it is a cause for depression.
You do not fix a problem with another problem.
He wrote bandaid. A bandaid is not a fix.
But it's not a bandaid. It's stabbing yourself in the left arm to take your mind that your legs are broken
And who broke the guy's legs and ruined his self esteem because they thought he was "creepy"?
Porn use also causes a lot of men to struggle to interact with women normally as well. It literally causes or exacerbates issues men have with women.
I was just pointing out that you were arguing against something Streetshame never wrote.
But I'm gonna jump into this discussion and point out that stabbing yourself in the left arm to distract you from your broken legs actually works. Albeit briefly. A bandaid on the other hand doesn't do anything except protect the wound and ensure that you don't accidentally make it worse. Which is a good allegory for masturbation. It won't fulfill your need for a sexual relationship but it'll at least prevent your libido from driving you insane.
But does that mean pornography is good? No. But the concept of pornography in and of itself isn't bad either. The modern porn industry on the other hand is bad as it is a cesspool of truly heinous individuals who like to exploit vulnerable young men and women and truly fuck them up for life.
It's not just exploiting it's the fact that it fucks up your brain. There is a reason why guys go to more extreme porn as time goes, normal porn no longer works. You can't hit that dopamine button at any time and expect to not have side effects. You end up with guys with ed where a woman having normal sex may not even do it for them.
We've always had virgins and we didn't have porn for most of history and yet guys managed and I would think better then now. There should be a solution without porn.
That being said, porn with AI and VR will be wild. Custom porn with what ever you want, where you can have actual conversations may be humanity's last invention. At this point only the very religious societies survive.
That's the case for men who already have an active sex life while getting addicted to porn. Sex addicts. A virgin who's never had sex before will most definitely not have problems getting aroused if he or she finally gets some. If there'll be problems it'll because of nervousness which isn't anything new or unusual.
But yes a porn addiction will fuck you up like every other addiction will.
Porn has little to do with it. The relationship between men and women is completely messed up but not because of porn but because of social media and other far more damaging factors than porn.
But porn is generally extremely harmful to kids. Not adults though.
Like I already stated porn isn't a solution. Porn and masturbation is incapable of being a substitute for physical human contact. Porn is if anything a bandaid.
Which shows that men (and women) seek human(-like) interaction.
Not because they don't have access to porn though but because the 'natural order' of human society is still intact.
Is this fellow trying to blame being a virgin on porn? lol?
I mean, I get ops point of view, I think couples would be closer if porn wasnt a thing, for sure, but at the same time people have such unrealistic expectations, on both sides. Sex should be a close thing where both parties are comfortable with each other. Its not some special super rare thing, its literally built into us to procreate.
You know I was thankful for porn the years I didnt have a g/f, never occurred to blame my relationship problems on porn.
Half my problem was just not knowing what the fuck was going on, which is I imagine is what this person in ops video is dealing with. With shit like tinder, it must be hard as fuck these days to find anything lasting or meaning. That shit will create more fucked up dopamine cycles than just porn would.
But if were going down the "porn is evil" route. I just had to point out that people who say this dont really know about human history.
How old do you think something like the kama sutra is? About 2500 years old I guess.
They were building temples in india with dicks/vaginas all over them.
Dudes have been tying stones to their dicks for thousands of years lmao.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/penis-weights
Humans are extremely sexual creatures, its kinda unreasonable to expect males, and females to wait for a perfect time just to copulate. I suppose thats the whole reason were capable of masturbating in the first place, like many other mammalian species lmao.
I know, fucking weird ass thought chains sometimes.
Hopefully without the distraction they’ll pick up the swords and axes their forefathers put down and take their country back.
That might happen in the UK and still not fix the underlying problem.
I have no doubt in the Labour party's ability to over-govern, get slaughtered in the next general election, and result in a reactionary government that dismantles the censorship state and kicks out all the foreigners.
BUT THAT WON'T FIX THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM.
Ya maybe those men will do something productive, build themselves and their communities, and attain families instead of blowing their motivation and energy on cam whores and only fans sluts.
Its depressing and it depresses these men. It creates more unstable men, disenfranchised men, apathetic men, dissociated men, and weak men that perpetuates a cycle of alienation that is guaranteed to harm the man who uses porn.
This is like a heroin addict saying if he doesn't use he will be angry and cause problems so just give him his cope. And yes, porn is just as poisonous as heroin
Easier said than done when any potential spouse has the institutional power to ruin your life and clean out your bank account.
It's terrible how bad things have gotten, but it's also understandable. Trying to find a good woman to build a family with these days is like playing Russian roulette with your life, reputation and money.
Because even if you do everything right, she can just up and deicide that "things just aren't working out" and ditch you for someone else. It's worse if you're married, because you run the risk of loosing everything you've built up to that point since the courts will almost always side with the woman, regardless of how ridiculous her reasons for leaving you are.
I see men choosing porn over chasing actual women, like a guy choosing to chug down a can of chemical and corn syrup laden soda over a drinking normal bottle of water, because the bottle of regular water is in the middle of a radioactive minefield.
Its more like instead of wading through shit to find a good woman men are jerking off to pictures of the shit.
I assure you the Russo-Ukrainian porn models are a hundredfold more attractive than the average American woman. It may be a fantasy, but it's a good fantasy.
Eugh. I doubt some blown out prostitute is actually attractive when you step away from coom brain mode.
That's the neat part. Without the anesthesia of gooning, their anger and frustration will keep building up until they burn this toxic modern society to the ground. Then the survivors can claim a war bride.
Peaceful? Did you skip the bit where I said frustrated men would burn it all down?
And where has that happened?
Talking about the future here. The younger generations are getting fucked over so thoroughly that revolution is pretty much inevitable.
There is a massive difference between high speed -4k anything you want to see ever-on demand-vr-ai-rule 34 porn, and a book written about sex positions with cartoon drawings.
The fact you use the kama sutra as cover for modern porn derails your argument and shows you aren't even arguing honestly but are trying to excuse modern porn degeneracy.
Coomers got assmad over this but it's true. It's like comparing the Venus de Milo or any other classical nude to BLACKED or whatever someone's degenerate fetish is. Appreciating the human form is fine. Getting an intentional dopamine overdose and burning out your brain's pleasure reward centers isn't the same ballpark, league, or sport. We're meant to be metered little droplets of it for doing the right things with our lives not turning on a firehose on command.
And yes, I know what my username is.
I agree with the general thrust of what you’re saying, but I would point out that the relatively recent advent of hardcore, HD, internet porn—and access to increasingly specific fetish content in written and drawn form as well—is completely removed from all historical precedent. When someone over a certain age says “we had porn growing up,” they tend to be thinking of a couple Playboys they stashed, maybe one or two videotapes that made the rounds… what their kids, male and female, can access very easily is a hundred different gangbang bukakke videos, or dozens of pieces of erotic fiction about being kidnapped and raped.
Is it necessarily an “oh my god, this is doing unthinkable damage, we need to censor everything everywhere, time to roll out the draconian ID laws” type of crisis? Probably not. But is it just as harmless as crude drawings of dicks and a handful of porno mags? That’s probably not the case either.
Way to change the subject. No matter how the women are, porn will always be a scourge on society.
then fix what drives them to porn instead of trying to shove your head up your ass you fucking moron! Shit like this is why the right ALWAYS snatches defear from the jaws of victory!
Except it's not just the lack of quality women driving people to porn. Married guys are addicted to porn, women are addicted to porn. Making women better will help (mainly by preventing them becoming camgirls) but you also have to make society on the whole better (which is probably necessary to make women better too), including men. Not everything is 100% some other group's fault, you know.
by your logic not everything's porns fault, instead its their self control
It's cheaper than the alternative.
Porn is the true health crisis for millennials and possibly gen z
You'll have a hard time with this one. Kia2 still has a strong gooner coomer userbase that won't admit their favorite cope is damaging.
Thanks for posting. I always need extra reinforcement to avoid watching it myself. Porn is wildly addicting.
I agree that it's harmful for people and they need to do what they can to avoid it. But most people here are aware that porn addiction is a symptom of greater societal ills. So while the message of "don't watch porn, it's bad for you" is still a good one, I can see how it can rub certain people the wrong way, because it's not like they have a solid quality woman to fall back on.
Edit: Yep, kept reading and the very next comment was calling exactly this out in more detail.
The issue with this line of thinking is assuming that porn use isn't affecting your ability to go out, do things, and meet with people.
Men after orgasm are satiated and won't expend effort on much, which includes non sexual ventures like business, hobbies, or platonic/familial relationships.
Porn redirects male energy into a screen whore, it exhausts men, and slowly destroys men's confidence while warping his view of sex, which should be for bonding and building a family.
That is all true, but it doesn't change the reality that mass porn addiction is a symptom, not the root problem. A very problematic symptom, but a symptom nonetheless.
The deck is stacked against men in many aspects of society and relationships. For many men, having more energy is not going to be the difference between being a porn addicted virgin and being a happily married family man. Now, it would likely be the difference for a small percentage, but not for a large amount. Anyone asserting it would be some transformative change for society without fixing other factors is deluding themselves.
No porn is a causative issue of these problems. I totally disagree. You're just asserting things without proof. Porn is proven to cause mental issues and brain restructuring as well as dopamine overstimulation.
It is not, the same thing happened to Rome when women got economic power two thousand years ago.
You want to end this, you need to find a moral rationale for forcing feminism and all the white knights back into obedience to patriarchy. So far as we've seen the only culture with the stones to do that is Islam, and there are doubts about how long even they can hold out.
Like, if CHINA, MOTHERFUCKING PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA can't find it in themselves to make back to the kitchen into state policy, do you think we have any chance of doing it in a representative democracy?
It's a factor, but you're kidding yourself if you think the problems we are facing regarding breakdown in relationships, loneliness, marriage rates, fertility rates, etc would be solved by eliminating porn. They would not be.
That doesn't mean I am saying porn is good or that it doesn't restructure the brain, or that eliminating it wouldn't move the needle at all.
The entire culture around relationships and the toxic nature of many modern women does not go away by eliminating porn. Rigged family courts do not get fixed by eliminating porn. Dating apps giving mid women an over inflated sense of value and eternally screwing how their mind views relationships does not go away by eliminating porn etc etc.
Chicken, egg, vicious cycle.
Always the extremes. Never watching porn or always watching porn multiple times a day.
It's the same pseudo-religious shit like vegans & former alcoholics. They overconsumed things, had (health) issues. But it cannot be that the majority of the population is fine with consuming those things in moderation. Cause that would mean that they're weak. So they jump into their fervor to convince themselves & preach to the masses that they found true enlightenment.
If you jerk it multiple times a day to porn for hours? Stop. If you need "extra reinforcement to avoid watching it" you have a problem and it's probably best for your to stay away from it. The people who jerk it once/twice a week to porn are not having an issue with porn.
You can't moderately tolerate poison and degeneracy. Its evil, and it always is.
"I only cut myself once a week, I don't have a problem with cutting addiction"
Thanks. It’s rewires your brain and literally makes you a cuck
They even use the "I can quit anytime" cope verbatim. There's no "healthy" amount of addiction.
As long as you use the same argument for things like alcohol. I rarely drink. By no stretch of the imagination would anyone ever try to argue that I have an alcohol addiction. For someone who drinks a bit more, say one or twice a week and never goes overboard, similarly it would be difficult to argue that's an issue.
For right or wrong, porn is viewed similarly. Most people are happy to draw a line somewhere, just not at zero like the absolutists.
That being said, at bare minimum it needs to go back to being stigmatized much much more than currently. Letting people talk about it openly and even participate in it openly without social consequences has been a huge mistake.
Its really amazing how many of the same arguments used against porn, and other vices, mirror those used for Prohibition back in the day.
But nobody wants to acknowledge that because most of these guys want to have their beers still and also that was "government bad overreach" so its totally different this time and will absolutely work.
The fact that you say this and assume its an innate issue instead of a problem with you says a lot.
Porn is bad on levels that all of us could write essays on, but if you find it "wildly addicting" that's a sign of your own life or brain having a greater problem that needs addressing, of which porn is merely the coping mechanism.
We need to curb the problem porn is doing on our populations, but attacking the end result as if it itself is the actual problem is as foolish as the War on Drugs was to stopping that crisis. We need to curb the problems that drive people to want to consume porn on a level that they can even become addicted in the first place.
Yes I'll freely admit I have my own issues with porn addiction. The vast majority of men have porn addiction. That's why nofap or porn free is such a challenge. And even if you have the self control or discipline to not actually coom for 30 days, your brain is still rewired on those reward pathways and you'll still be yearning for it. Especially if you get stressed or upset, like a smoker going for a cig.
People consume porn because we are wired to be excited when seeing sexually explicit women. You won't curb that desire as its highjacking your natural reproductive instinct.
If it's free, the product-
Ya having a family is expensive. But I guess men would rather jerk off in their goon cave alone until they are older and mentally weaker and get abused by randoms until the die alone in a long term care facility. I guess that's cheaper.
Most gooners have long since given up on dreams and thinking about their future in anyway beyond "die of something stupid like an OD before 50." They are the actual end of Men Going Their Own Way, and that way is pure hedonism.
You aren't going to shame them into changing, thoughts of a beautiful family and Americana Dreams mean nothing to their broken, nihilistic outlooks on life.
Yes that is the path of the coomer. I'm arguing against these people for the people around here trying to do better for themselves. Read their cope comments. Their pathetic excuses for why porn is good, or even traditional, or how porn is a good ally in their fight against feminism and family courts.
Anybody who has accepted porn is part of why we are in this hellish society, and are now working on trying to get away from it, like me, can see the same defensive commentary from addicts, gamblers, and neurotics. They love to scream about how they don't have a problem with it, it's just YOU! "I can control my use! I don't have a problem".
Guys, stop, get help, embrace your family. We don't have to live like bugmen fused to our screen, cooming.
Whatever you are attempting to accomplish, you are failing by being the worst spokesman for your issue possible, using methods that fail in every form of rehabilitation or addiction helping, and generally coming across terribly.
I didnt write it for you or your ilk. You're not ready to change.
Nigger, I'm married with three children.
Unlike you I was never even in danger of becoming addicted to it, so you should get off your high horse when you are barely a few steps above them given you admitted yourself that you actually have issues with it yourself.
You are a weak man trying to act tough by beating a bar that's nearly on the floor, you will inspire no one nor improve them until you actually give a shit about doing so. Rather than stroking your own ego about how clever you are for beating a game most of us didn't even have to try to win at.
Imagine how disappointed your kids would be in finding out their dad is a coomer.
Something something 80 year old cat ladies.
Men are just reacting rationally to the hand we've been dealt. You want to fix society, find the moral license to crush feminism.
The rational reaction to not finding a good woman is to self-harm? Okay coomer.
Men are just dopamine wringing their brains in goon caves while they can instead of dealing with reality.
"Fix society for us losers and we will stop living in our goon caves".
This is why our society is failing. Men dragging each other down crab in a bucket style, and then getting angry cause better men haven't fixed society for them? Help fix it for your brothers instead of being the defensive weak link.
And that's the problem, you have the causal relationship backwards.
I HAVE NO FAITH that the man next to me will refrain from going white knight and stabbing me in the back to win the quick beta bux points. Hell, I have no faith that YOU are willing to go as far as the situation will require. We banned TheImp for saying less than what I would say.
If we can't even talk about the hard measures that will be necessary to win, then why should I believe you or anyone else is truly committed to winning?
I'm not going to prove myself to you so you stop cooming. Its your life bro
And I'm not asking you to. Because there is literally nothing you can say that would convince me you're not duplicitously trying to get me to go full TheImp so you can betray me as surely as Robert Ford shooting Jesse James for the $5000.
So self improvement to find a woman and build community equals being a degen mgtow kike like imp? Damn.
Instead of blanket banning porn, let’s look the problem as to why it’s popular.
Women have been told 1 out of 3 men will physically rape you. They have also been told men need to make 6 figures, be 6 feet, have 6 inches, and have a 6 pack to be a good “partner.” Women are also told they need to make money and provide nothing for a man.
Men have been called unwanted in every aspect outside of their money. Men have also been told to move over and let women into every aspect of their life other than physical contact with them (not just sex, but even a hug is considered rape if unwarranted 5-10 years later.)
We have a loneliness epidemic that a generation of mistrust and ignorance of what the definition of a relationships is and how they work. Porn is just a symptom of this bigger issue.
Porn causes loneliness and isolation.
So porn is why most women these days think they're all 10s who deserve to be pampered like princesses over settling for a dude with a bright future like in the old days?
Saying porn is the main cause of the loneliness epidemic is like saying access to guns causes school shootings.
Social media and porn are part of the same matrix (phrasing intentional)
Yes porn, as part of sexual liberation and sexualization of young people, plays a major role in disrupting pair bonding and normal mate seeking. Many young women produce porn and porn adjacent thirst trapping because they see how many men become simps for it.
If they didn't have lucrative options to whore themselves out they would seek lucrative marriages instead. Porn is definitely part of the establishment plan to disrupt healthy families and target young men and women.
All addictions cause loneliness and isolation. Most addictions start from external factors, genetics, or trauma. From chems to gambling, you don’t take the addiction away to cure it. All you do is make people get it illegally and create black markets. You need to cure what is causing it.
No, you don't give addicts their drugs and expect them to stop being addicting. You are enabling it.
We wouldn't have a drug problem if drug dealers were put to death like in Singapore.
We wouldn't have a porn problem if pornographers were put in prison for 20 years+.
In some instances, physicians will give an addict their controlled substance but in smaller doses. It weans the body off it until it can cope without it. This goes along side other medical treatments and social support. Cold turkey has such a strain on a body, it’s only used in short term addicts. Long term addicts that go cold can cause heart attacks.
Cutting pornography from intense addicts will result in them getting hooked on another vice. There’s a reason why digital gambling/gatcha games have become extremely popular now.
That's because if you cold Turkey certain drugs you'll have a seizure. You won't have a seizure from stopping porn.
Married guys get addicted to porn too. It's not because they can't find a good woman, it's because it's addictive and normalized.
The production of porn needs to be banned. The fact so many young women in their teenage years look forward to turning 18 so they can get onlyfans is absolutely insane.
Porn isn't the problem. It's the state of the industry built around porn that is the issue. If it were just horny people sharing drawings and tapes, it'd be a subculture or dirty secret.
In the same way that if journalism was about honestly informing people, it wouldn't be the problem it is today. Or if film making was about telling good stories, it wouldn't be the problem it is today. Or if banking was about keeping people's assets secure, it wouldn't be the problem it is today.
Except they're not. They've all become tools to control us.
Wait, is there a common thing between porn, journalism, filmmaking and banking?
the nose
Huh, funny that.
So... furries?
Porn was strategically made fee and mass professionally produced right when White Millennials were coming of age to reproduce. Now that the windows is nearly gone, the ladder is getting pulled up.
LOL.
Literally any time in history would have been right when white [insert generation] were coming of age
and videos like these are by retarded for retarded.
You gotta connect with the younger generation somehow. If i can prevent one person from destroying their brain with porn then it’s worth it
Shorts, aka TikTok-like videos, are their own can of worms tho
I don’t disagree. I watch mostly long form content 30 mins+
Rape stats have dropped massively since outlets, such as porn, have been freely available.
Those against porn are pro-rape (Using leftist extreme rhetoric - that they call Gish galloping when it suits).
"Women don't need no man", independent entrepreneurs and introverts all win.
The species will go on, it's now just a matter of which ones will exploit the current situation to propagate the most and which ones will go and fuck themselves.
That's the true core of the argument here. Western governments have emptied the compassion of its citizens and so they'll die out quietly and without a fight.
The blue haired land whales will join hareems and have their offspring cast aside as mistakes. But, you know, they win in the end...
The moral busybodies switched political sides again.
Just like how we went from tradcucks screaming about how dnd is satanist propaganda, to Anita and her radfem ilk going on and on about "misogyny and objectification" in video games.
The Gish gallop refers to bringing up a whole bunch of arguments in quick succession so that your opponent won't be able to respond to them all. The term was invented by trust-the-science Eugenie Scott who was butthurt that evolutionists were losing debates to creationist Duane Gish, but it's useful to be aware of the tactic.
Porn is a weapon to make you weak
Is that what keeps destroying your post history?
As I have stated before I didn't stop viewing porn because I became a better person. I stopped because it got really fucking weird. You have to dig to find normal sexuality now, and women who aren't tatted up, gotten implants, plastic surgery, etc. The sheer drop in female quality from even a decade or two ago is mind boggling.
Also, as several others have noted, porn is a symptom not the cause. You want to stop your little girls from engaging in this behavior? Then you have to stop them, punish them. Disown them if they cause trouble like your ancestors would. Attacking and shaming young boys in your area only humiliates the boys in your area, it does not stop the boys from other worlds.
"porn or women" is a false choice.
Yes, you could always have neither
That’s literally your only choice. You can have both for a short period of time but you’re going to end up with just porn.
Ha! I’ve no soul, and I’ve sold my dignity to the joos centuries ago for a couple million shekels and some good goy points. My time? My time is worthless.
Tis a slippery slope to trannydom
Not all porn addicts are trannys, but all trannys are porn addicts
If porn didn’t exist men would be forced to put up with more feminist bullshit, not less.
But the main goal of porn is to get Millennial Whites to not reproduce as often. It has largely succeeded.
I would have never entertained ts stuff if it weren't for porn. At least I didn't act on it irl but I was perfectly normal before porn. I even think I even have issues with erections because of so much time spent on degeneracy. I want my purity back. I'm slowing my consumption trying to reach 0 watch time. It is for the best. Wish me and my sex life luck.