I agree that it's harmful for people and they need to do what they can to avoid it. But most people here are aware that porn addiction is a symptom of greater societal ills. So while the message of "don't watch porn, it's bad for you" is still a good one, I can see how it can rub certain people the wrong way, because it's not like they have a solid quality woman to fall back on.
Edit: Yep, kept reading and the very next comment was calling exactly this out in more detail.
The issue with this line of thinking is assuming that porn use isn't affecting your ability to go out, do things, and meet with people.
Men after orgasm are satiated and won't expend effort on much, which includes non sexual ventures like business, hobbies, or platonic/familial relationships.
Porn redirects male energy into a screen whore, it exhausts men, and slowly destroys men's confidence while warping his view of sex, which should be for bonding and building a family.
That is all true, but it doesn't change the reality that mass porn addiction is a symptom, not the root problem. A very problematic symptom, but a symptom nonetheless.
The deck is stacked against men in many aspects of society and relationships. For many men, having more energy is not going to be the difference between being a porn addicted virgin and being a happily married family man. Now, it would likely be the difference for a small percentage, but not for a large amount. Anyone asserting it would be some transformative change for society without fixing other factors is deluding themselves.
No porn is a causative issue of these problems. I totally disagree. You're just asserting things without proof. Porn is proven to cause mental issues and brain restructuring as well as dopamine overstimulation.
It is not, the same thing happened to Rome when women got economic power two thousand years ago.
You want to end this, you need to find a moral rationale for forcing feminism and all the white knights back into obedience to patriarchy. So far as we've seen the only culture with the stones to do that is Islam, and there are doubts about how long even they can hold out.
Like, if CHINA, MOTHERFUCKING PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA can't find it in themselves to make back to the kitchen into state policy, do you think we have any chance of doing it in a representative democracy?
It's a factor, but you're kidding yourself if you think the problems we are facing regarding breakdown in relationships, loneliness, marriage rates, fertility rates, etc would be solved by eliminating porn. They would not be.
That doesn't mean I am saying porn is good or that it doesn't restructure the brain, or that eliminating it wouldn't move the needle at all.
The entire culture around relationships and the toxic nature of many modern women does not go away by eliminating porn. Rigged family courts do not get fixed by eliminating porn. Dating apps giving mid women an over inflated sense of value and eternally screwing how their mind views relationships does not go away by eliminating porn etc etc.
I agree that it's harmful for people and they need to do what they can to avoid it. But most people here are aware that porn addiction is a symptom of greater societal ills. So while the message of "don't watch porn, it's bad for you" is still a good one, I can see how it can rub certain people the wrong way, because it's not like they have a solid quality woman to fall back on.
Edit: Yep, kept reading and the very next comment was calling exactly this out in more detail.
The issue with this line of thinking is assuming that porn use isn't affecting your ability to go out, do things, and meet with people.
Men after orgasm are satiated and won't expend effort on much, which includes non sexual ventures like business, hobbies, or platonic/familial relationships.
Porn redirects male energy into a screen whore, it exhausts men, and slowly destroys men's confidence while warping his view of sex, which should be for bonding and building a family.
That is all true, but it doesn't change the reality that mass porn addiction is a symptom, not the root problem. A very problematic symptom, but a symptom nonetheless.
The deck is stacked against men in many aspects of society and relationships. For many men, having more energy is not going to be the difference between being a porn addicted virgin and being a happily married family man. Now, it would likely be the difference for a small percentage, but not for a large amount. Anyone asserting it would be some transformative change for society without fixing other factors is deluding themselves.
No porn is a causative issue of these problems. I totally disagree. You're just asserting things without proof. Porn is proven to cause mental issues and brain restructuring as well as dopamine overstimulation.
It is not, the same thing happened to Rome when women got economic power two thousand years ago.
You want to end this, you need to find a moral rationale for forcing feminism and all the white knights back into obedience to patriarchy. So far as we've seen the only culture with the stones to do that is Islam, and there are doubts about how long even they can hold out.
Like, if CHINA, MOTHERFUCKING PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA can't find it in themselves to make back to the kitchen into state policy, do you think we have any chance of doing it in a representative democracy?
It's a factor, but you're kidding yourself if you think the problems we are facing regarding breakdown in relationships, loneliness, marriage rates, fertility rates, etc would be solved by eliminating porn. They would not be.
That doesn't mean I am saying porn is good or that it doesn't restructure the brain, or that eliminating it wouldn't move the needle at all.
The entire culture around relationships and the toxic nature of many modern women does not go away by eliminating porn. Rigged family courts do not get fixed by eliminating porn. Dating apps giving mid women an over inflated sense of value and eternally screwing how their mind views relationships does not go away by eliminating porn etc etc.
Chicken, egg, vicious cycle.