I agree that it's harmful for people and they need to do what they can to avoid it. But most people here are aware that porn addiction is a symptom of greater societal ills. So while the message of "don't watch porn, it's bad for you" is still a good one, I can see how it can rub certain people the wrong way, because it's not like they have a solid quality woman to fall back on.
Edit: Yep, kept reading and the very next comment was calling exactly this out in more detail.
The issue with this line of thinking is assuming that porn use isn't affecting your ability to go out, do things, and meet with people.
Men after orgasm are satiated and won't expend effort on much, which includes non sexual ventures like business, hobbies, or platonic/familial relationships.
Porn redirects male energy into a screen whore, it exhausts men, and slowly destroys men's confidence while warping his view of sex, which should be for bonding and building a family.
Always the extremes. Never watching porn or always watching porn multiple times a day.
It's the same pseudo-religious shit like vegans & former alcoholics. They overconsumed things, had (health) issues. But it cannot be that the majority of the population is fine with consuming those things in moderation. Cause that would mean that they're weak. So they jump into their fervor to convince themselves & preach to the masses that they found true enlightenment.
If you jerk it multiple times a day to porn for hours? Stop. If you need "extra reinforcement to avoid watching it" you have a problem and it's probably best for your to stay away from it. The people who jerk it once/twice a week to porn are not having an issue with porn.
As long as you use the same argument for things like alcohol. I rarely drink. By no stretch of the imagination would anyone ever try to argue that I have an alcohol addiction. For someone who drinks a bit more, say one or twice a week and never goes overboard, similarly it would be difficult to argue that's an issue.
For right or wrong, porn is viewed similarly. Most people are happy to draw a line somewhere, just not at zero like the absolutists.
That being said, at bare minimum it needs to go back to being stigmatized much much more than currently. Letting people talk about it openly and even participate in it openly without social consequences has been a huge mistake.
The fact that you say this and assume its an innate issue instead of a problem with you says a lot.
Porn is bad on levels that all of us could write essays on, but if you find it "wildly addicting" that's a sign of your own life or brain having a greater problem that needs addressing, of which porn is merely the coping mechanism.
We need to curb the problem porn is doing on our populations, but attacking the end result as if it itself is the actual problem is as foolish as the War on Drugs was to stopping that crisis. We need to curb the problems that drive people to want to consume porn on a level that they can even become addicted in the first place.
Yes I'll freely admit I have my own issues with porn addiction. The vast majority of men have porn addiction. That's why nofap or porn free is such a challenge. And even if you have the self control or discipline to not actually coom for 30 days, your brain is still rewired on those reward pathways and you'll still be yearning for it. Especially if you get stressed or upset, like a smoker going for a cig.
People consume porn because we are wired to be excited when seeing sexually explicit women. You won't curb that desire as its highjacking your natural reproductive instinct.
Ya having a family is expensive. But I guess men would rather jerk off in their goon cave alone until they are older and mentally weaker and get abused by randoms until the die alone in a long term care facility. I guess that's cheaper.
Most gooners have long since given up on dreams and thinking about their future in anyway beyond "die of something stupid like an OD before 50." They are the actual end of Men Going Their Own Way, and that way is pure hedonism.
You aren't going to shame them into changing, thoughts of a beautiful family and Americana Dreams mean nothing to their broken, nihilistic outlooks on life.
Yes that is the path of the coomer. I'm arguing against these people for the people around here trying to do better for themselves. Read their cope comments. Their pathetic excuses for why porn is good, or even traditional, or how porn is a good ally in their fight against feminism and family courts.
Anybody who has accepted porn is part of why we are in this hellish society, and are now working on trying to get away from it, like me, can see the same defensive commentary from addicts, gamblers, and neurotics. They love to scream about how they don't have a problem with it, it's just YOU! "I can control my use! I don't have a problem".
Guys, stop, get help, embrace your family. We don't have to live like bugmen fused to our screen, cooming.
Guys, stop, get help, embrace your family. We don't have to live like bugmen fused to our screen, cooming.
You aren't going to shame them into changing, thoughts of a beautiful family and Americana Dreams mean nothing to their broken, nihilistic outlooks on life.
Whatever you are attempting to accomplish, you are failing by being the worst spokesman for your issue possible, using methods that fail in every form of rehabilitation or addiction helping, and generally coming across terribly.
Men are just dopamine wringing their brains in goon caves while they can instead of dealing with reality.
"Fix society for us losers and we will stop living in our goon caves".
This is why our society is failing. Men dragging each other down crab in a bucket style, and then getting angry cause better men haven't fixed society for them? Help fix it for your brothers instead of being the defensive weak link.
Men dragging each other down crab in a bucket style
And that's the problem, you have the causal relationship backwards.
Help fix it for your brothers
I HAVE NO FAITH that the man next to me will refrain from going white knight and stabbing me in the back to win the quick beta bux points. Hell, I have no faith that YOU are willing to go as far as the situation will require. We banned TheImp for saying less than what I would say.
If we can't even talk about the hard measures that will be necessary to win, then why should I believe you or anyone else is truly committed to winning?
It's cheaper than the alternative.
Porn is the true health crisis for millennials and possibly gen z
You'll have a hard time with this one. Kia2 still has a strong gooner coomer userbase that won't admit their favorite cope is damaging.
Thanks for posting. I always need extra reinforcement to avoid watching it myself. Porn is wildly addicting.
I agree that it's harmful for people and they need to do what they can to avoid it. But most people here are aware that porn addiction is a symptom of greater societal ills. So while the message of "don't watch porn, it's bad for you" is still a good one, I can see how it can rub certain people the wrong way, because it's not like they have a solid quality woman to fall back on.
Edit: Yep, kept reading and the very next comment was calling exactly this out in more detail.
The issue with this line of thinking is assuming that porn use isn't affecting your ability to go out, do things, and meet with people.
Men after orgasm are satiated and won't expend effort on much, which includes non sexual ventures like business, hobbies, or platonic/familial relationships.
Porn redirects male energy into a screen whore, it exhausts men, and slowly destroys men's confidence while warping his view of sex, which should be for bonding and building a family.
Always the extremes. Never watching porn or always watching porn multiple times a day.
It's the same pseudo-religious shit like vegans & former alcoholics. They overconsumed things, had (health) issues. But it cannot be that the majority of the population is fine with consuming those things in moderation. Cause that would mean that they're weak. So they jump into their fervor to convince themselves & preach to the masses that they found true enlightenment.
If you jerk it multiple times a day to porn for hours? Stop. If you need "extra reinforcement to avoid watching it" you have a problem and it's probably best for your to stay away from it. The people who jerk it once/twice a week to porn are not having an issue with porn.
You can't moderately tolerate poison and degeneracy. Its evil, and it always is.
"I only cut myself once a week, I don't have a problem with cutting addiction"
Thanks. It’s rewires your brain and literally makes you a cuck
They even use the "I can quit anytime" cope verbatim. There's no "healthy" amount of addiction.
As long as you use the same argument for things like alcohol. I rarely drink. By no stretch of the imagination would anyone ever try to argue that I have an alcohol addiction. For someone who drinks a bit more, say one or twice a week and never goes overboard, similarly it would be difficult to argue that's an issue.
For right or wrong, porn is viewed similarly. Most people are happy to draw a line somewhere, just not at zero like the absolutists.
That being said, at bare minimum it needs to go back to being stigmatized much much more than currently. Letting people talk about it openly and even participate in it openly without social consequences has been a huge mistake.
The fact that you say this and assume its an innate issue instead of a problem with you says a lot.
Porn is bad on levels that all of us could write essays on, but if you find it "wildly addicting" that's a sign of your own life or brain having a greater problem that needs addressing, of which porn is merely the coping mechanism.
We need to curb the problem porn is doing on our populations, but attacking the end result as if it itself is the actual problem is as foolish as the War on Drugs was to stopping that crisis. We need to curb the problems that drive people to want to consume porn on a level that they can even become addicted in the first place.
Yes I'll freely admit I have my own issues with porn addiction. The vast majority of men have porn addiction. That's why nofap or porn free is such a challenge. And even if you have the self control or discipline to not actually coom for 30 days, your brain is still rewired on those reward pathways and you'll still be yearning for it. Especially if you get stressed or upset, like a smoker going for a cig.
People consume porn because we are wired to be excited when seeing sexually explicit women. You won't curb that desire as its highjacking your natural reproductive instinct.
If it's free, the product-
Ya having a family is expensive. But I guess men would rather jerk off in their goon cave alone until they are older and mentally weaker and get abused by randoms until the die alone in a long term care facility. I guess that's cheaper.
Most gooners have long since given up on dreams and thinking about their future in anyway beyond "die of something stupid like an OD before 50." They are the actual end of Men Going Their Own Way, and that way is pure hedonism.
You aren't going to shame them into changing, thoughts of a beautiful family and Americana Dreams mean nothing to their broken, nihilistic outlooks on life.
Yes that is the path of the coomer. I'm arguing against these people for the people around here trying to do better for themselves. Read their cope comments. Their pathetic excuses for why porn is good, or even traditional, or how porn is a good ally in their fight against feminism and family courts.
Anybody who has accepted porn is part of why we are in this hellish society, and are now working on trying to get away from it, like me, can see the same defensive commentary from addicts, gamblers, and neurotics. They love to scream about how they don't have a problem with it, it's just YOU! "I can control my use! I don't have a problem".
Guys, stop, get help, embrace your family. We don't have to live like bugmen fused to our screen, cooming.
Whatever you are attempting to accomplish, you are failing by being the worst spokesman for your issue possible, using methods that fail in every form of rehabilitation or addiction helping, and generally coming across terribly.
Something something 80 year old cat ladies.
Men are just reacting rationally to the hand we've been dealt. You want to fix society, find the moral license to crush feminism.
The rational reaction to not finding a good woman is to self-harm? Okay coomer.
Men are just dopamine wringing their brains in goon caves while they can instead of dealing with reality.
"Fix society for us losers and we will stop living in our goon caves".
This is why our society is failing. Men dragging each other down crab in a bucket style, and then getting angry cause better men haven't fixed society for them? Help fix it for your brothers instead of being the defensive weak link.
And that's the problem, you have the causal relationship backwards.
I HAVE NO FAITH that the man next to me will refrain from going white knight and stabbing me in the back to win the quick beta bux points. Hell, I have no faith that YOU are willing to go as far as the situation will require. We banned TheImp for saying less than what I would say.
If we can't even talk about the hard measures that will be necessary to win, then why should I believe you or anyone else is truly committed to winning?