Asking this because that’s why the feds are doing this to Alex Jones and it’s been so long that I honestly only remembered that because of the posts from earlier.
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What the media claim: Alex Jones said that the victims were paid actors and that it didn't really happen, it was all a government psy op to introduce new gun control.
What Alex Jones actually did: alluded to the fact that we weren't being told the FULL truth about the event (which was true as they REALLY try to hide the fact money that was supposed to be allocated to upgrading school locks which would hamper THIS kind if event was siphoned off by government officials) and that they'd use it to argue gun control when it's a mental health issue. Was baited by a malicious phone in to say something along the lines that could be manipulated to be what the media later claimed he said.
Really it was just giving Wolfgang Halbig a national platform. That's what tripped their trigger. They hate him and want him to shut up and go away.
The charges were civil. An actual FBI agent was allowed to sue because Jones inflicted "distress" upon him for calling into question his ability to the job correctly and without bias.
Pure corruption of our justice system.
Ding ding ding.
There was also a SNAFU by the news media. They were filming in front of one of the buildings (I can't remember which one) with the typical reporter reporting on the ground spiel. In the background of that news report, were a lot of people moving from left to right (if memory serves me correctly). I assume this was done to promote the idea of lots of people being affected. However, at one point, the idiot news crew did a wide shot of the exact same scene, but from the air via a news helicopter, which showed the commotion of background people were all circling the building, in line, repeatedly. The same tactic is used with extras in TV and movies to suggest a large crowd in the background, enabling the producers to use fewer people and save money.
And as we have documented proof many times throughout the last century that the Government will absolutely send Agents to start and feed conspiracy theories to dilute the conversation around a topic and discredit it all as wacky, its almost certain that that happened here and its why there are so many "theories" that range from "something ain't right" to "literally faked the entire thing."
That it didn't happen. Crisis actor "parents," the worst being the guy that was laughing without a care in the world mere seconds before approaching a podium to give a teary-eyed speech.
Yup, and there was some stuff that people found suspicious about the emergency response, evacuation, and the like, as well as weird stuff like the parents all getting new houses or some weird stuff like that. I don't remember all the specifics, but there was some odd stuff. And, as per usual, it wasn't hard to find connections to the FBI.
I wouldn't swear by any of it, but people should certainly be allowed to theorize. "Conspiracy theories" are still protected speech. In fact, it should be the most protected speech, as it's usually against those in power, which is part of the whole point of the First Amendment, that the government doesn't get to shut down dissent.
Alternatively, that it was a false flag with real bodies and the government killed all those kids.
Then why didn't any gun control pass because of it?
Do you people ever think about this shit more than "not at all"?
So they waited until Republicans had control of congress, who would make sure no gun control happened, to stage this shooting, when they could've done it any time when Democrats had all of Congress under Obama?
As if establishment republicans have never cucked on guns before. Remember the AWB in the 90s, or the Hughes amendment in the 80s?
Except the claim is that the government was in on this.
Meaning, more than just some random retards at... whatever intelligence agency you think did it.
If this was a plan to take guns, do you not fucking think the CIA would've had all their ducks in a row before going through with it? You guys simultaneously believe that the government is literally capable of GODLIKE accomplishments when it comes to these conspiracy theories (no seriously, many of the things claim would've required nothing short of total omnipotence to execute as flawlessly as they supposedly do), and they couldn't have twisted the arms of like ten senators beforehand?
You think they literally would've blown their one and only shot at this just like that with such a ridiculously expensive, contrived plot, but they "forgot" that Republicans were in control? When Democrats were in control just a year prior?
How many >>>THOUSANDS<<< of people would've had to have been on this false flag, and not a single one has ever leaked? And that goes for every single conspiracy ever. Why is it that it just so happens that nobody 'leaks' anything when the government leaks like a sieve in every other regard? We couldn't even keep stealth secrets from fucking China.
The problem with all this HOAX HOAX CONSPIRACY retard-thoughts is that the dumbest motherfuckers alive just fall for them at face value and actively refuse to ever ask follow-on questions.
Let's start with this one:
If the shooting didn't happen, where are the 'dead' children?
It's been 12 years. Not a single person has tracked them down.
Wouldn't that be the smoking-gun evidence?
If it was fake there'd be a million new lines of investigation yet not a single one of the millions of retards who fall for every-conspiracy-ever have once put in the effort to actually try to procure evidence beyond "LOOK AT THE PIXELS".
Literally your proof is 'this guy had a weird look on his face for exactly 30 frames of video'.
And then they get mad when I point this shit out, almost like conspirafaggots know they're full of shit.
The conspiracy theory is that it didn't happen.
The reason why people might think it was staged is because of a few things.
The fact that a port a potty company was given unrestricted access to the scene of the crime to bring out of state portable toilets by the dozen before even the ambulances, police or fire rescue crews were allowed in. When there was a place that rented them in town that could have been used instead.
The fact that the million dollar schoolgrounds were in shambles with vines growing on the outside of the facility, and enough mold growing on the ceiling tiles that you could see in the obviously unused and super dust filled 'classrooms' to get the place condemned, let alone open for school. Then demolished mere weeks before the insurance could even take a look at the state of the place.
The fact that some surviving kids from the sandy hook school were singing America The Beautiful at Super Bowl XLVII (2013) only a few months after the incident, and some of them look way too much like some that were supposedly killed at the event. (Sandy Hook incident took place December 14th, 2012 and Super Bowl XLVII was Feb 3rd 2013)
And I'm sure I'm missing a few of the supporting claims for said conspiracy.
Also that some of the parents, at some points during the press conferences or whatever seemed odd in their emotional-social demeanor.
Which is to say, they didn't look nearly as broken or distraught as you'd expect most parents to be after losing their kids in such a meaningless act of violence.
Yeah, I get overcome with grief, but that looks very different from what they were doing.
Where have these kids been for the last 12 years then?
Also most of the "The fact that..." stuff conspiracy theorists claim is typically completely fabricated, much like the "BLUE ROOFS" shit in Lahaina.
I’m no expert, but it fits in the category of theories that get you shut down on every major platform and you’re not even allowed to criticize it so whatever someone wants to say about it I will believe it.
And those are often the theories that are the most correct. If you're not even allowed to entertain an idea, you have to ask why you're being shut down.
The only thing I have to add to the comments is that there was an additional side theory going around involving Obama himself. Allegedly, there was some incriminating evidence in the CT state records about the man's true origins. Obama's handlers used Sandy Hook an excuse to push a CT state law that limited public access to the incriminating records. IIRC, the damning evidence was that he was illegally using CT resident's SSN. You have to remember that this happened during the peak "Obama is not American" years.
There's legitimate evidence that Obama did use a fake birth certificate, but I hadn't heard about the connection to Sandy Hook. Sheriff Joe Arpaio (a very vocal Obama critic at the time) did a long investigation into Obama, and his team found legit fraud and fakery on the publicly presented birth certificate. There's other info involving his father being different than what is claimed, someone connected to the fake certificate dying in a freak airplane accident, Obama himself claiming to be foreign born on his college transcripts, and such... But in any case, here's the press conference Arpaio did on their findings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3KRxTfkLM
Here's a summary of the Sandy Hook/Obama SSN theory:
EDIT: Can't copy and paste because of formatting issues. Here are some links:
https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/coincidence-sandy-hook-allowed-obamas-ssn-records-to-be-censored/
https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-tbbyj-1ITH8kp_PV/Sandy%20Hook%20FRAUD%2C%20and%20Obama_djvu.txt
The entire Obama citizenship thing is a great example of the same problem that happens with Sandy Hook and a lot of these "conspiracy theories."
Legitimately wierd and suspicious behavior on the behalf of the government and people around them leads to people asking questions that should be easily answerable and instead there is obfuscation and run around. Which creates more and more people trying to piece shit to together until its a wild arena of nonsense.
Like, it should have been the easiest thing in the world for Obama to settle. The fact that he didn't and then a bunch of wierd shit happened around it makes it impossible to trust any evidence they produced.
Same with a lot of Sandy Hook stuff, where easy answers are dodged and then randoms guess at endlessly hoping they stick to the truth.
Never let a crisis go to waste
This is about as true as "Hillary Clinton Whitewater Documents were stored in the Murrah Federal Building in OKC" even though that would literally make zero sense, and also that anyone who would ever actually know that would've actually said something.
99% of this conspiracy fodder is literally invented by nobodies on the internet who have utterly no way of actually knowing anything they claim.
That it was a false flag.
Some people believe the government faked the whole thing to create outrage to convince people that the only way to prevent tragedies in the future would be to take away 2nd Amendment Rights.
They had a pattern.
Conduct an "active shooter" drill.
A few days later conduct an actual "false flag" attack on the same location.
The confusion and apprehension of law enforcement after the drill is used to create a fog of war over the whole scene and allow the deep state to manipulate it however they like.
One of the weirdest things was that for a building supposedly full of a hundred slaughtered and wounded kids, no ambulances were on the scene. Dozens of police vehicles and a helicopter or two but no actual first response medical was there.
It's weird that you guys think a trillion-dollar intelligence agency can flawlessly mastermind these billion-dollar conspiracies, but a bunch of high-school dropout manual-laboring hicks always just 'happen' to find some ridiculously asinine and obvious glaring "fuckup" like this.
Ambulances DO NOT just drive into an actively/potentially dangerous crime scene. They literally always wait for cops to clear the scene.
I'll remind you of the CHAZ/CHOP, when that guy got shot and bled to death. All the communists were mad because the ambulances wouldn't go into the area to rescue him. But they refused because the cops hadn't secured a potentially-dangerous scene, because CHAZ/CHOP wouldn't let the cops in. There's a video of the ambulance sitting a block away waiting while they all scream at them.
I'll be honest, I really fucking hate how I have to point out obvious things that anyone with a brain should know. I have an exceptionally low opinion of conspiracy theorists because you guys make unintelligent fucking claims like this.
https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_06_school_shooting_sandy_hook_nt_121215_16x9_1600.jpg
Literally what the fuck do you call this picture?
Just like 9/11, Vegas, JFK, or any number of shockingly violent acts committed on American soil, the official state narrative is the only narrative you should concern yourself with and there is absolutely no reason to think otherwise. Thinking otherwise will result in jail time or one billion dollars in fines. Thank you for your cooperation, comrade.
What is the point of believing any of this faggoty conspiracies when nothing you think will ever matter, and you have never done fuck-all to get "justice" for any of them?
How is believing anything about 9/11 any different from you believing Santa Claus?
Regardless of what Alex said or not, what was done to him in those two farcical show trials should be cause for disbarment of every lawyer involved.
https://rumble.com/v231eue-robbie-parker-sandy-hook-parent-laughing-after-supposed-death-of-child.html
Doesn't this look like an actor getting into his role after laughing jovially, rather than a distraught father? Right after the event. Sus.
I just showed my wife this video and we have a new convert. Say hello to grammasaurus (what her grandkids call her).
Let's flip this around.
Why do you believe the government actually gives a shit about 'taking guns' from conservatives, when conservatives have shown they will never, ever ever do fuck-all about anything? They literally always comply with anything they are told. In fact, even suggesting "hey you should make your own illegal suppressor" gets you banned from every right-wing gun forum, because they're such obedient little fucktards.
Why have people believed for 23 years that 9/11 was staged by the government and yet literally all anyone who believes this pointless shit has just cried on the internet like a little fag? Can anyone actually describe a realistic timeline where they think they're ever going to be vindicated? If you haven't shot a fucking senator over even 10% of the evil shit conspiracy theorists allege, then you are not a serious person, and it's very probable that most conspiracy theorists do not actually believe this shit themselves, it's just an online LARP.
If the government staged it to 'turk mah gurnz' why did they wait until AFTER Democrats lost control of congress? Absolutely no gun control came out of this. Like... did any one of you ever fucking ask this and actually come up with an answer? What, was it not in their FY11 budget?
If the kids didn't die, why has not a single one of you actually tried to find these kids? They're like, literally 20 years old or so at this point. Where are the kids? Where are they???
If this was such a heinous conspiracy why didn't even one single person ever try to sneak/break into the school while it was still standing (which it was for quite a while) to actually see if there was evidence of bulletholes/blood? In fact, why does this level of investigation never seem to happen for any conspiracy ever?
Why do so many conspiracy theorists actively lie about everything? Someone in here claimed "omg there were no ambulances". I literally found an aerial photo of a dozen of them lined up at the school from the day of the shooting.
Why is so much conspiracy material seemingly tailor-made to make specifically only right-wingers go completely out of their mind with paranoia?
Why is so much conspiracy material anonymously produced or sourced by 'nobody'?
Why do all the Qonspiracy Qultists literally believe that they themselves and their stupid LARP nonsense is above being questioned, and they only lash out in psycho anger when you ask them basic fucking questions like anything I wrote here?
Why was "Dear Wolfgang", considered basically the Sandy Hook Hoax Bible, contain multiple outright fabrications and lies, like "Adam Lanza supposedly carried 50 pounds of ammo into the school"?
What is the point of believing any conspiracy when you've never done shit about any of them, you never will, and there's genuinely 0.00% chance of any "justice" or "truth" for any of them? What is the difference between believing Vegas was shot up by the CIA just for fun, and believing the moon is made of cheese? Nobody cares and what you think will never matter, and you'll never prove otherwise, so why bother?
That nobody ever actually met any parents of the "victims". Basically it was staged.
Wonder how long before someone who "was personally affected by the shooting" chimes in on here.
I was personally affected by the crimes. My father's cousin's step-mother's former roommate's grandchild was a victim of this heinous act, and I missed out on a burrito because I was so distraught.
In addition to what some other people said, the school wasn't even open.
Their website had frequent updates for years but then went dark for multiple years until right before the fake shooting. Then, in the police camera footage (which was 90% redacted and was uploaded in a lossless file format which made it multiple terabytes which was storage that most people didn't have at the time) shows further evidence that it wasn't in operation at all.
There's evidence from the little we can see of the inside of the school, which shows that there's mold all over the place, exposed wiring, water damage, all things that would get the school fined or shut down for not being up to code. There's no toilet paper in any of the bathrooms either.
The classrooms were set up like a movie set. The shooting supposedly happened during class time, yet there's no textbooks, worksheets, pencils, etc on any of the desks. There's no backpacks anywhere, and all of the chairs are neatly pushed in to the desks despite the fact that there was supposedly a shooting happening, and the fact that we're supposedly dealing with elementary schoolers and there's no way they would all have pushed all their chairs in.
Then there's the aerial footage of allegedly concerned parents walking around the school, except you can follow their locations and actions throughout the footage and see that they move like NPCs (aka they're actors) that continually walk in the exact same paths and have the same brief fake conversations with the same people over and over, Like, there's a guy you can track that talks to someone for a few moments, then goes into the building, comes out the other side, walks back to his previous position and talks to the exact same person at the exact same spot, and then goes back into the building and does it all over again.
There's tons more shit, but it's blatantly obvious that the entire thing was a fabrication from beginning to end. It never happened. NOBODY died at Sandy Hook.
Alex Jones screamed that it didn't happen, through a bullhorn (As was his thing at the time) in the town that it did.
It was totally barbaric behaviour by an attention seeking snake oil salesman.
Some people got upset by this which the media, other barbaric snake soil salespeople, took to get people behind their cause of banning guns.
There were lots of tidal shifts on what happened due to circumstances showing more than an ex-student of the school taking his mother's gun and going to her workplace to shoot and kill people there but that was just it.
Years later and people are still chasing Alex Jones for unquantifiable emotional distress which a judge says is valid (Despite the constitution saying otherwise) and a quantifiable value of all of his possessions is found to be the right amount and taken from him.
Was it the Greys who were working with Bush in the White House using Obama to turn the frogs gay so that Bohemian Grove could enact the anti-Christ of the Torah to have transdimensional beings come out of the shadows and siphon our souls? Maybe it was the undead Nazis living in the hollow Earth beneath Antarctica trying to use HAARP to get their moon dwelling associates to figure out who to get jet fuel to melt steel beams? Or perhaps it was the Atlanteans awakening the dinosaurs on Mars to create an AI program that could rewrite human personalities via 3G mobile technology?
Either way, some nutjob will find their jam on it and here we are well over a decade later trying to find compassion for a man who was fucked over by the government for being a prick on yet another occasion were the government should have just let him be a prick.
In another decade we'll no doubt be supporting a trannies rights to tell children that anal se is better than the regular procreating kind because they'll have figured out the talk enough bullshit codex to get sympathy.
Yea. What a BARBARIAN. He grabbed a microphone and talked!
You have fallen into the mindless media NPC trap. Congratulations. You say much but think little.
Nah kid, I was there watching it happen.
But you do you and buy whatever pills make you feel like a man.
You talk like a 15 year old.
It must sound so awesome in your head.
Out here in the real world you sound retarded and incapable of defending, what ostensibly, are your own ideas.
lol.
Sure thing pal,
Those aliens are coming to get us all. Any day now...
Oh.. are you one of those people who gets off on being disliked?
Gross.
So.. are you just jealous of what Jones has been able to do and you can't?
Well surely you have photos I would assume. You could put to bed the claim of no ambulance or firetruck on scene and erode the narrative a bit.
Why don't you cry more to your facebook coven about it you woman?
Sure thing gramps, did you did that insult up from the corpses of the Sandyhook kiddies?