They even say that the girl had to die for the sins of the group. Throughout the episode whenever they were accussing one of the group they were sure to show them wearing their crosses.
Sorry for the rant but it's just so noticeable I can't believe I never registered it before
The first breach in my Atheism was fully realizing how much they hate Christians, Christianity, and Jesus. If you think something is dumb and illogical, why spend every single second exclusively talking about it? Because "it's the dominant culture?" Yeah, maybe 70 years ago before every institution became converged.
My story is similar to yours.
I noticed that they hated Christianity, but Judaism and Muslim could do no wrong. "Magic sky daddy" being illogical only applies to Jesus.
A fun way to make them jump through hoop is whenever anyone complains about religion you repeat it back them and replace "religion" and "religious people" with judaism and jews.
Then comes the backpedaling.
Its really fun to get them mocking the Old Testament and its fantastical elements, then once they are going on it hard just throw in "those Jews are so wild believing that shit."
Because 99% of them forget that the Jews believe in that too.
Continual, extended conquest since its inception 1300 years ago? Gulags, struggle sessions, and secret police? Bombing embassies, gunning down allied ships, and enforcing an open-air prison on an entire population? Spanish Christians killed 3000 people over a period of 400 years centuries ago and modern Christians are sometimes slightly mean to gays!!!!!!!
The Spanish Christian's midtake was stopping
Yeah, but the 3000 people they killed were 'conversos', meaning 'jews'. Otherwise no one would care.
Plenty of the New Atheists like Dawkins and Sam Harris went after Islam just as hard as they went after Christianity, which is the main reason why New Atheism was kicked out of the broader left-wing coalition to begin with.
There are plenty of great releases that show Muslims as evil. Land of Bad being a recent one. Rendition being another, Twin Towers. All of it based on real life of course. There is even one that shows the fleeing Nazis converting to Islam.
I'm still an Anti-Theist, but the fetishization of Islam is suicidal.
Literally.
Catholics, Mormans, even the authoritarian Protestant theocracies are better than "moderate" Islam.
Unless I'm black and living under an early Morman theocracy. Then I'm running for the fucking hills.
My view is I still view it is illogical, my enemies hate plenty of things, doesn’t make them true.
Of course. It's smoke is all. Not all smoke means a fire, but smoke appearing should also be investigated. I investigated.
The 2010 surge in atheism was in response to an attempt by evangelicals to take over the education system and make factually untrue claims - namely young earth creationism. This pushback was necessary and largely successful, most of the prominent evangelical wackos became laughing stocks or were exposed as hypocrites or even criminals.
However, they couldn't leave good well enough alone and Dawkins et al set about dismantling and dismissing all community and spiritual benefits of religion. It quickly became apparent that this left them vulnerable to infection - Atheism+ infiltrated and destroyed the entire community because they had no strong beliefs or unified principles that could be used to expel them.
As they say, tradition is the solution to a problem we have forgotten.
You're on a forum dedicated to rooting out propaganda in media yet believe 2000s era anti-Christian scaremongering, curious.
The Evangelical movement of that decade has been spurned even by a lot of Evangelicals of today. Most of the leaders of that movement were faggots, frauds, and fuckwits who were commercializing faith and pushing total garbage.
They destroyed themselves more than anything, and they earned it.
It's one of the reasons a lot of the political leaders either opposed Trump, or were very hesitant to support him.
I have absolutely zero love for Evangelicals but let's not also claim that the Jon Stewart era 2000s was at all neutral towards Christian Conservatives of any stripe.
I didn't.
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While there were and are retarded Evangelicals, the idea that the hallowed halls of the public school system were under critical threat by 60 IQ, sisterfucking, Jesus-dinosaur-riding-endorsing, toothless biblethumpers is so out of pocket it's embarassing considering the site we're on. Meanwhile, the vast majority of Christian Conservatism that voiced opposition to things like gay marriage, and were told about slippery slopes, now find themselves in a position where they're actively persecuted while being completely vindicated.
You say this like it's obvious that no normal person denies geology or radioactive decay or astronomy or the existence of genes but I have encountered people in real life, whom I considered intelligent, who denied all of these things when they came in conflict with biblical story of creation (they were homeschooled). If you think this is an absurd view only held by retards, you have not talked to enough people or you have not probed the beliefs of the people you do know.
There was no shortage of like-minded people who would argue in front of the texas schoolboard that the science textbooks should be changed to exclude information about the age of the earth. I watched some of these at the time, they were very boring and cringe on both sides. Megachurches pastors and televangelists had plenty of money pouring in during their sermons about "evilution".
Overblown? Sure. Fictional? No. The "hallowed halls" as you put it are just a government office, and the government is infiltrated and manipulated by highly motivated zealots all the time - hence the situation we're in now with the gender weirdos.
I never said it was completely fictional, I said you fell for the same psyop they've been running for decades. They used identical tactics to paint you and I as incel terrorists because we wanted honest reviewing in our hobby. You cite anecdotes of life in the south and with corrupt Megachurches, not seeing that these two things are largely inconsequential in terms of "Conservative Christianity" in America and are largely tangential (and immaterial) to any threat to state run and funded public schools. State schools, by the way, which are now teaching outright, provable lies about the natural world to the applause of everyone who derided Christians for an "anti-Science" mindset.
Christians may very well be wrong about creation. I'm unsure. I've personally become un-convinced of traditional "scientific" models that you seem certain of. One thing I do know for certain though is that Christians have never lied about how they see the natural world. They might very well be wrong, but they aren't lying.
Now validate my gender, bigot
>State schools, by the way, which are now teaching outright, provable lies about the natural world to the applause of everyone who derided Christians for an "anti-Science" mindset.
I agree. And I look forward to your evil twin telling me it never happened in 2038. And then when I when I corner them more carefully, they'll tell me some jive like "I never said it was completely fictional". It'll be really nostalgic probably.
Which models are those? Get specific. Show me how how many teeth you have and how you don't fuck your sister.
lol
I mean... I don't deny decay, astronomy or genes, but I am certain that evolution is false. It comes from being able to raise the number '4' to the power of however many bits are in the genome. Corona is apparently 30 000 bits, so 4^30000 is... well, unfathomable.
I'll bet you think it was right wingers going after games in the early 90s too. Get out of here with that shit.
It was both sides. Everyone is aware of Hillary & Tipper Gore's moves on the Left, and that was predominantly because they wanted to play "family values" nonsense from the Left, while most of that was right-wing moralizing from the televangelist evangelicals.
Those guys didn't just attack video games, they attacked cartoons, they attacked rock music, they attacked metal, they attacked cursing, they attacked shock-jock radio; etc.
This was an evolution from back in the day when they were attacking rock and roll music at it's outset. They attacked betting, drinking, dancing, all sorts of silly shit.
Phil Arms lecturing about Pokemon is basically fucking legendary.
Hell I personally fucking posted HERE about how Six Days In Fallujah was originally killed by Fox News before it re-built itself, and was immediately attack by Leftists, showing just how full circle everything had come.
You ever think that perhaps those wildly Extreme Evangelicals were a fringe bunch of wackos that were getting undue attention and power because the Left wanted them front and center to make Christians/Rightwingers/White people look retarded and their "institutions" need to be torn down?
Because the fact that we spent years hearing about the Westboro Baptist Church, despite it barely reaching 3 digit membership at the time and basically consisting of one big extended family total, makes it pretty clear that was the case.
No, you see, when the media creates propaganda demonizing Gamers randomly because some Counterstrike playing autist called one of them a fag once, that's when we notice and care. When it's Christians? Well they deserve it because 20 years ago three of them pushed back publicly against the idea that putting a bunch of monkey skulls in a row immediately proves we spontaneously burst into life from inanimate matter and then graduated from being fish.
Most of these guys are just still mad their grandma or schoolteacher took away their gameboy or Pokemon cards and are still seething from it.
I lost mine too, but because we were gambling with it and I see as an adult why they did that.
Why are you presenting their position like you agree with it? I thought they were "60 IQ, sisterfucking, Jesus-dinosaur-riding-endorsing, toothless biblethumpers" propped up by the media as controlled opposition. Do you agree with the young earth creationists or are they a media invention? Or are you just shapeshifting slime?
Your reading comprehension is incredible. I thought they taught literacy in Talmudic academies?
Let me explain, since you so desperately need an explanation (because you are a gay faggot retard). Like the incel caricature, Conservative Christians were and are continually insulted and depicted as typical inbred southern bumpkins. I used that image to attempt to explain to you how stastically irrelevant yet emotionally charged depictions of a group of people can be easily utilized to personify an entire group, but you are too much of a gay faggot retard to actually comprehend the fact that you've been thoroughly mindfucked by a media apparatus that hates you and relies on your gay faggot retard opinions. If, instead of being a gay faggot retard, you used your 30IQ brain for one goddamn second, you'd be able to see the precise ways our actual enemies are eroding our society in front of our very eyes.
Instead, you act like a gay faggot retard and just buy into it because you dislike Christians and Christians are, as intended, an easy scapegoat you can blame like a gay faggot retard.
And again, since you are a retard who is simultaneously a gay fag, you can't actually read and comprehend intent from what people say, and so think I was somehow being disingenuous. I am skeptical of the current Evolutionary model. Now before you shit your adult diapers and drool over your fucking Reddit branded mousepad, understand that it does not logically follow that I am necessarily a Creationist. I'm not sure you'll be able to do this though. Because you're a gay faggot retard.
It's funny that you mention this because there are several people on this forum who literally are that caricature. I just replied to one earlier who was glad that women in Afghanistan are being abused, just because they're women.
And speaking of the absolute caricatures, I've got a little hunch. You seem to spew hatred outward, which is really directed at part of yourself (you called creationists 60IQ sisterfucking etc, when you hold their beliefs). And you seem to use the word gay and faggot a lot. And you opened this whole thread off by saying you were an Atheist at one point.
Given what I know about what people like you think Atheism is, I'm going to guess you went through a period where you experimented sexually with other men. And you just consider it sinning, a time when you were further from God. Am I right?
>I am skeptical of the current Evolutionary model
>it does not logically follow that I am necessarily a Creationist
Can you explain further? Not the logic part, just what is your worldview or belief system regarding evolution.
does the term 'cunterogating' mean anything to you, jew?
I don't know. I don't have a position yet. One day I'll come to one.
Now that you've established a criteria for being a wacko retard (young earth creationism), do a little informal poll of churches in your area to find out how many people are retarded wackos (according to you).
You can use the gallup poll format for consistency:
I didn't that was you.
I went to both Catholic and Baptist churches in the 90s/00s (long story) and was well acquainted with most people during the time such was a peak discussion. Minimal wacko was openly discussed, and the handful of times it was was struck down by the Pastor or another man in charge (because it always came from panicky women). And this was the deep dirty Swamp South, the place literally used as the stereotype of where such madness happens.
I didn't even need them to tell me to hate gays. I just saw pro-gay fluff pieces on the news about Pride Parades and learned to do it on my own.
So I've got most of a large Parish worth of anecdotal data across two denominations pointing to the opposite of what the media told me it should be, and in 2024 we've got strong evidence how often said media will lie wholecloth.
I said young earth creationism was factually incorrect. You said:
You labeled them as extreme fringe wackos picked out to make Christians look retarded. You did. But feel free to clarify your position. Is YEC retarded or not?
I said what I said, you can read it again if you are confused about it. Any further needed clarification is a lack of reading comprehension on your own part, meaning you aren't qualified to even be trying to topic.
You can't even affirm your own beliefs. Pathetic. If you know they're wrong, denounce them. If you know they're right, repeat them. Stop trying to slither through the gaps with rhetoric and misdirection. Say what you mean.
Yeah, I remember back when the church and evangelicals were in control of the education system and it wasn't 100% run by democrats nationwide.
Oh wait, no I don't, because that never happened in my lifetime.
Also, for how "evolution" is presented in most modern media, it might as well be creationism. Things like X-Men are fun but if they actually existed, it would be a disproof of evolution. And the common understanding of evolution is so bad that most people think X-Men scenarios are actually how it works.
I actually can't think of a single movie/show/story that uses evolution as a hook that is even close to accurate.
I literally pulled my kid out of public school.
Yeah, what a bang up job those Christians did!
American TV is full of trash. has been for a long time.
Yes, but I missed most of that for the majority of my life.
Don't feel bad, the bias is lost on most people until they are finally programmed by it, and then they fully agree with it. Feel good that you noticed before it was too late for you.
I cancelled cable many years ago, and don't have any streaming services. I have zero regrets. There's far too many books to read and good user created content to watch. Any time I do catch a bit of TV, or an ad (Brave has a great ad blocker), it's always incredibly stupid, subversive, and disgusting. Revulsion properly defines the feeling, but the word always falls short of the actual feeling.
I haven’t seen that episode, but I’ve seen a lot of Cold Case. There was the one where the guy fell in love with the “trans woman” and a few episodes about closeted gay men. These episodes were a number of years ago before I got sick of it all. I stopped watching Law and Order after an episode where a divorced woman died and she had shacked up with another woman before death. There was a custody battle between her parents and her female lover for her daughter. Of course the grandparents were evil Christians who saw homosexuality as a sin. The lesbian lover was seen as a saint and the little girl wanted to be with her. I had already gotten annoyed with the show but that was my last straw
Law and Order used to be a favorite of mine. Wolf is another guy who hates Christians and attacks them whenever he can. And he loves his sodomites.
Yea. I heard the ones from the 90s aren’t bad. I used to watch the Rookie with Nathan Fillion but after Floyd they had an episode where and evil white supremacy group was threatening a black teacher. I said I’m done with this show. Happy to watch Hill Street Blues
Let's be careful out there.
Will do Sarge
I did the early life check and what do you know
Same here. I also recall an entire episode devoted to prosecuting a group of anti-government patriot "extremists" who made themselves look so foolish in the courtroom that they had to regularly be kicked out.
Though when I did watch, I really enjoyed the parts where people on the stand would get caught in their lies.
Oh you would’ve loved the season finale of an underage interracial lesbian relationship that won a GLADD award.
The rookie?
Season 2.
Honestly, it goes back years for this kind of thing. Watched Chuck for the first time a few years ago, and it's kind of amazing just how blatantly the show is federal propaganda. Just unabashedly pro CIA and NSA. And it's weird because you have both Zack Levi and Adam Baldwin, both of whom are right-wing/libertarian adjacent, and it's just shocking how pro-state the show ends up being.
It's nothing new, but once you start noticing things like that, it's hard to not always notice it.
Adam Baldwin mister GamerGate himself. I know Zach is pretty Christian but I dunno his political stances. I've heard him talk about God and his importance in his life.
There are a few Firefly comics set after the movie and Jayne is eventually killed off in one. I can't help but think it's intentional for his right-wing stance and even minor connection to GG.
Honestly, I suspect Firefly is never getting a revival now because of the message it ultimately held, which was largely anti-government, or at the very least anti-centralised government. It was popular back in the day for such a stance (look how close Ron Paul actually got to winning the primaries. That's the reason his face was a reaction image for quite some time). Could you imagine how quickly it would kill a career to make a project that's actually anti-big government anymore? One that's actually critical of the establishment as a whole? I don't see it happening anytime soon in the mainstream, but once upon a time, it was popular, and not just because people like rebels.
There's a reason that Alan Moore hates his work. Because it speaks far more to an anti-central power, and that's a right-wing ideal, even if he doesn't want to accept it. And Whedon's work with Firefly reflects that.
I always wondered if the anti-government themes in Jericho is part of why it got cancelled.
They probably realized that a USA with no blue cities would be a utopia, and didn't want to give anybody any ideas.
It was critical of a right wing government. Remember they had the Allied American State.
Zach is supposedly a libertarian, but that label is so broad these days that it could mean anything from "I just wanna smoke weed in peace and everything else is fine" to "I want actual small government". I've not really looked into it solely because I don't care that much. Like yeah, cool, one of the very few non-leftists in Hollywood, but I also don't care what some actor has to say about politics regardless. I don't go to a bus driver for tax advice, I don't go to a lawyer to buy a fridge, and I don't turn to actors for political takes, even if a good or bad take can come from anywhere.
But it is surprising when you see people who by all rights shouldn't be fans of something actively and openly propagating that very thing. Like Chuck was 2007-2012. That was right after the PEAK of things like Obama's administration utilising smart tech (TVs being a big one in the media at the time) for the purposes of monitoring US citizens. But here are two people that should have been critical of that basically shilling for the NSA and CIA. It's so bizarre.
He did publicly say that Pfizer is a literal danger to the world last year; specifically due to the danger of products like the COVID shot.
That has to count for something.
James Arnold Taylor, too, the voice acting great.
I was stunned to learn he was a born-again Christian, considering how successful he is.
I feel like Chuck is a bit more of a nuanced case. It does present an idealistic view on the alphabet agencies for sure but frequently Chuck runs into situations where his own morality clashes with the government and he frequently becomes disillusioned with them. Several of the shows main villains only became that way because the government ruined their lives and the show doesnt shy away from pointing that out.
The government gives Casey the green light to kill Chuck if he has to after they are working together IIRC. In the first couple of episodes too.
Yep, IIRC this is a continuous plot thread for the entire first season that they want to kill Chuck as soon as they rebuild the Intersect. There is also the constant threat that they may find it too dangerous to continue letting him live normally and may lock him up somewhere for protection during the first few seasons. Later plotlines reveal that the government is directly responsible for the events that led to Chuck's family falling apart. The show even subtly slipped in a few "are we the baddies?" moments where Chuck is forced to make choices that don't sit well with him.
That is true, and there's plenty of plot-lines that try to push the "here's this rebel faction of the agency", but it still pushes the idea that these people who are infringing on peoples rights are the outliers and not the main agency.
But you are right that many of the villains are the way they are through the government, and not just some rebel faction.
We can't go back into the matrix.
I now realize a lot of the stuff I liked before was not only propaganda but basically pornography and makes me disgusted. Black Sails, Spartacus, the first few seasons of Game of Thrones. The genre I jokingly called "tits and stabbings".
I did finally get around to watching sopranos recently and loved most of it. My hypothesis is I didn't like it when it first came out because I identified with the weak and cowardly men who were being intimidated and victimized, and not with the relatively competent wise guys who are just trying to run their business. Its funny to watch cultural cues I wouldn't have caught, like AJ reading "Peoples History of the United States" for school, which I now know is commie revisionism, and he turns into a whiny lib.
Now I give stuff a chance but the first sign of homos or "racial issues" or women getting too uppity I nope out. Which means I can't watch almost anything modern.
Saw deadpool 2, sure enough, the main antagonist in the end suddenly had a southern accent and went on a tirade about mutants that paralleled tirades against gays.
It is all agenda driven tripe
Reminder that in the second season of The Mandalorian in order to make an Imperial Officer even worse then "just" being a white male, they gave him a southern drawl.
Isn't that the one Bill Burr guns down?
As I remind people often.
Deadpool 2 literally killed a woman for the sake of diversity and raceswapping. No "well it helped contribute to" but directly and actually killed a woman on set because Domino had to be black, and because she was black she needed a massive afro, and because she had a massive afro the stuntwoman (who had minimal training because black motorcycle stuntwomen aren't easy to get and they pulled one with 0 prep) couldn't wear a helmet.
This was well publicized before the movie even came out. If you still went and watched it afterwards its you who is the fool for expecting anything but.
The creator of that show sure has a funny, Germanic-sounding name: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_Stiehm
Hated it at the concept of it oh this women died 50 years ago we need to spend our time investigating it. you're telling me their is no more current case tax dollars could be spent on .then it's like oh you caught this 80 year old dude now he gets to spend the last 2 years of his life in jail and frankly i didn't see a single case where the courts would actually bother to charge the guy if it went to court
Genuinely, never watch television.
When you think back at how bad TV is, and you realize the boomers grew up with this every day since birth, AND there were only 3 channels; it's pretty clear how they got so fucked up, and trusted the government so much.
Stephen King - Carrie - religious "Christian" mom is a total nutcase. Movie Footloose - the Christians are all anti-fun and hard a**.
Let's make a list!
Actually I just watched Footloose a few years back, and I thought it treated Christianity reasonably well. Sure, there were some who wanted to shut the dance down but it was the pastor who actually allowed it, using scripture to justify it.
I'd say it was more anti-rural than anything. Big city kid comes in and shows all of the rednecks a better way to live.
Ah ok - I haven't seen it in a while so didn't realize that
Surprised you got to see any of it considering how desperate advertising got.
You ain't kidding
Had someone who said he was a mason tell me that one of their first rules is to not watch any TV or listen to any radio.
It’s simple really my friend. Turn it off and leave it off and never look back. Don’t be of this world.
Everything you learned about history is a lie.
That show is unwatachble now.
It was a decade ago that Cheerios was applauded for introducing mutts to TV commercials. I don't watch live TV anymore now that every ad is the same mixed race globohomo shoved everywhere, it reminds me these people want my kind exterminated like anudda Holodomor
Personally I noticed that procedural cop dramas were propaganda way before I realized what kind of propaganda it was, who's behind it, and why.
It's so in-your-face. The state authority is good and perfect, unstumpable, unstoppable, inescapable, and always correct. The citizen, by contrast, is either a liar and a killer, or a victim and an ally. The proper nouns get rotated out to reflect different specific messaging along the way, the same way a burger joint puts toppings onto burgers.
Most of Hollywood is run by Islamists that have infiltrated our institutions. It will take some time before we can clean up this mess.
That's not even good satire. Do better at trolling.
Exception: The Netflix Daredevil series was pretty good and that started in 2015, and even the worst parts (Electra) are high art compared to anything made more recently.
The Netflix Daredevil and Punisher series were better than anything Disney has done.