You know what is interesting? We have seen pictures of the kid, dead. As far as I know there are no pictures of the rifle used. In the recent Buffalo incident we found out the 18 year old had a Guccied out rifle while being a part time worker. I worked full time at 18 and it would have been hard for me to buy the kit he had.
So, yeah, not paid but maybe supplied?
Edit: I was thinking of the Uvalde kid, who was also 18 and worked part time at a Wendys. Kid was kitted out with a Daniel Defense rifle. How?
If she got a better deal after she claimed her old posts were made by time-traveling Russian hackers, there is no way she's getting Roseanne Barr treatment, let alone Alex Jones treatment.
Last time I checked, we're supposed to charge her with defamation, declare her guilty by directed verdict, get a camera crew to make a mocumentary of her suffering, fine her the GDP of France, and threaten to take her cat, then also order the shut down of MSNBC. Oh, I forgot, she has to surrender her social media accounts.
She thinks it's staged to prop up Trump. Which is wrong.
We know Trump didn't stage it, but obviously there were some glowfags trying to act like they would "accidentally" allow an autistic incel to off Trump.
I said it in another thread, too, but, to generalize a bit, this really show one of the differences between left/right, conservative/progressive. The right tries to understand reality, the left tries to force reality to fit their ideology.
Rightwing conspiracy theories have the goal of explaining reality.
Leftwing conspiracy theories are attempting to make reality conform to their ideology.
Which is why you get insane shit like this: They're working backward, not forward. They're not looking at the facts and trying to figure out what happened, they're looking at what happened, and trying to make facts that fit with their worldview. They're not trying to learn the truth, they're scrambling for a way to make, for example, Orange Man still be Bad.
Exactly. Their logic is not cause then effect, it's effect then cause.
Once you look for it in the left you'll see it everywhere.
For instance they say more blacks are pulled over for speeding so therefore the cause is racism. So they institute expensive and expansive controls and find out... more blacks are speeding, and in exactly the proportion they are given speeding tickets.
Or the wage gap, women are paid less therefore discrimination when the reality is they're collectively just doing less.
The black female Supreme Court member did this in oral arguments, saying that fewer blacks in some government role was proof of systemic discrimination against blacks, which is this same backwards logic. So it even affects the 'top minds' on the left.
Well it also helps that the default right wing position, or even a centrist/moderate position is to distrust the government and always assume the government is either 1) incompetent or 2) malicious and only concerned with its own preservation/existence
The left wing SOMETIMES rails against the government, but only if it goes against their views, and they won't hesitate to prop the government up to push their shit if it's ok to do so, even if it increases the power of government or it hurts other people (i.e. advocating for the government to censor free speech, cheering the military industrial complex to continue the war in Ukraine, etc)
Someone on Reddit's r/shitpoliticssays (last bastion of sanity on Reddit) said that one thing leftists have lost the ability to do is think of "second order consequences".
They aren't thinking of what happens in the LONG run when you advocate for something.
Case in point, the retards in Europe who are "Just Stop Oil" activists. To them, completely stopping traffic and stopping the use of oil tomorrow will suddenly fix the world.
They don't recognize that it will also hurt THEM and their family and friends if we ever gave those retards what they want.
It always amuses me that this bitch is so retarded that her off-TV persona/content makes her MSNBC statements look sane, rational, compassionate, and smart.
Why you gotta get my hopes up like that? She should get the Alex Jones treatment (and so should a bunch of other people), but we all know that's never going to happen.
First step is "was this really an assassination attempt??!"
Second step is "are we the bad guys for wanting that all along?"
Third step is "yes" and they're falling off the cliff.
This is why they are so resistant to taking that first step.
Bullseye is a make believe characters guys. There's no person on this planet who is a good enough shot that you would trust enough to instruct with, "nick just the tip of my ear at 140 yards while my head is moving."
We don't know why he was allowed to stand back up for 9 seconds during an active shooting
Yeah we do. Diversity hire agents who weren't capable of fulling their duties.
Until leftists feel afraid to say things like this in the same way normal people are afraid to complain about gender psychosis or point out that black people commit more violent crimes than white people, things will keep getting worse.
She's not wrong (although I can't say I'd expect access to his personal medical records when the sitting president won't tale a cognitive faculty test).
The big question is: was this a collaboration between Trump and the secret service to secure the election for him, or an actual attempt and the USSS is just so diverse that they were totally unable to identify the threat, stop the shooting, or force an 80yo man off the stage and into a vehicle with their 5'0" 80lb female agents?
What does that have to do with them recruiting the worst shot in the world to carry out a world-shaking assassination?
Also, 'the plan' didn't take into account that Trump might turn his head?
Like I said before, I think they're too smart to want to take out Trump this way, not that they're not capable of doing it or that they're not evil enough to want to do it.
What does that have to do with them recruiting the worst shot in the world to carry out a world-shaking assassination?
For starters, I don't believe that. Also, if he really was intended to die, and they had time to train him, other characteristics might be more important than his starting shooting ability. Heck, maybe they even wanted the narrative that 'look, AR's are so easy and dangerous even losers can shoot presidents with them!' Who knows? But I don't think him allegedly being a bad shot is a dealbreaker to them. They often pick losers for their ops anyway.
Also, 'the plan' didn't take into account that Trump might turn his head?
Of course they knew it was possible, but you can't plan every little detail; the goal here was to have as good a chance as possible, and it seems they managed that at least. He was given every chance to succeed.
Like I said before, I think they're too smart to want to take out Trump this way...
I wish we lived in such a simple reality, where our evil overlords were at least competent. But look at all the other stupid shit they've pulled, that they should have been too smart for. If they were truly competent, they wouldn't have pushed things so far that their opposition seems to be waking up, for example. I know they like some level of conflict, but it still seems like they went way too far overboard, and probably don't appreciate the current level of scrutiny and pushback they're getting.
Our overlords are constantly doing absolutely retarded stuff. Sad but true.
Most teachers aren't going to straight up say 'That kid was fucking psycho and I didn't want him around anything that could easily help him kill people' in public. Or, more sensible, 'I had a bad gut feeling about him but I can't use that as a reason to keep him out'.
People have disagreed, but I still think it's possible he wasn't the only shooter. One of my working theories is they radicalized him and allowed him access, and a better trained sniper took the actual shot as soon as Crooks started firing (if he even did, odd we don't have any footage of that so far, actually.) It really is wild, too. Trump really was an inch away from death or at the very least some serious brain damage. If he hadn't moved when he did, we'd be having a massively different conversation.
In the split second during the pulling trigger and bullet travel, Trump moved his head at a slightly different angle that changed ''bullet firmly throught the brain'' to ''bullet through the ear''.
If the shooter was supposed to miss, he was going to ''fail at missing''.
The only way to stick with ''it was missed on purpose'' would be to claim there was no bullet.
You misunderstand, I'm not arguing that it missed on purpose, only that the guy was a very bad shot. He fired several shots after Trump moved his head. Now I as a Eurofag am not exactly an expert on shooting, but surely you can move your gun slightly after you get off the first shot?
Unless he was on horse tranquilizers his veins must have been pure adrenaline at that point. He just did the most important (and final) thing in his life and it failed, so I'd expect him to panic and try to "save" it, and that never works out. Unless he was breathtakingly stupid he must have known he had a couple of seconds to live after the first shot.
Look, we don't know what the people who set the shooter up were wanting to accomplish...other than the death of Donald Trump.
There was sketchiness in spades, and it was a conspiracy, but Trump himself certainly wasn't in on it. He's not going to agree to getting shot at, much less so closely...they shot him in the head. They wanted him dead, I'm damn near positive of that.
Nah you have to be smart enough not to buy the "official" narrative
I disagree. You don't have to be smart to be a conspiracy theorist. You have to be smart to be a clever or accurate conspiracy theorist.
You can be a conspiracy theorist really easily if you simply don't care about reality, and just want to present yourself as correct; which is basically just leftism in a nutshell.
Besides, saying it was staged isn't exactly the official narrative, but it also doesn't stray from it far. The official narrative is Orange Man Bad and, almost as importantly, Orange Man Certainly Can't Be Good.
If your belief is that Trump is Bad and must be Bad, you just stick to that, and make something up to explain how he is Bad. That doesn't take smarts. "Trump faked it" isn't straying from the core message.
I’m wondering who paid the shooter or who pushed him to do it. Although OP is right. She needs to get the Alex Jones treatment
Almost certainly not paid, at least directly. That's not how they operate.
That’s true. Many layers between similar to a street level mafia member and the godfather
You know what is interesting? We have seen pictures of the kid, dead. As far as I know there are no pictures of the rifle used. In the recent Buffalo incident we found out the 18 year old had a Guccied out rifle while being a part time worker. I worked full time at 18 and it would have been hard for me to buy the kit he had.
So, yeah, not paid but maybe supplied?
Edit: I was thinking of the Uvalde kid, who was also 18 and worked part time at a Wendys. Kid was kitted out with a Daniel Defense rifle. How?
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Far from certain, but certainly a possibility.
Shades of JFK. Apparently Oswald was handed a rifle to use against Kennedy like on the 11th hour.
If she got a better deal after she claimed her old posts were made by time-traveling Russian hackers, there is no way she's getting Roseanne Barr treatment, let alone Alex Jones treatment.
Good point
Last time I checked, we're supposed to charge her with defamation, declare her guilty by directed verdict, get a camera crew to make a mocumentary of her suffering, fine her the GDP of France, and threaten to take her cat, then also order the shut down of MSNBC. Oh, I forgot, she has to surrender her social media accounts.
She thinks it's staged to prop up Trump. Which is wrong.
We know Trump didn't stage it, but obviously there were some glowfags trying to act like they would "accidentally" allow an autistic incel to off Trump.
All of a sudden the people who insisted you were a crazy conspiracy theorist are okay with creating 80 conspiracies all with Trump as the mastermind.
I said it in another thread, too, but, to generalize a bit, this really show one of the differences between left/right, conservative/progressive. The right tries to understand reality, the left tries to force reality to fit their ideology.
Rightwing conspiracy theories have the goal of explaining reality.
Leftwing conspiracy theories are attempting to make reality conform to their ideology.
Which is why you get insane shit like this: They're working backward, not forward. They're not looking at the facts and trying to figure out what happened, they're looking at what happened, and trying to make facts that fit with their worldview. They're not trying to learn the truth, they're scrambling for a way to make, for example, Orange Man still be Bad.
Exactly. Their logic is not cause then effect, it's effect then cause.
Once you look for it in the left you'll see it everywhere.
For instance they say more blacks are pulled over for speeding so therefore the cause is racism. So they institute expensive and expansive controls and find out... more blacks are speeding, and in exactly the proportion they are given speeding tickets.
Or the wage gap, women are paid less therefore discrimination when the reality is they're collectively just doing less.
The black female Supreme Court member did this in oral arguments, saying that fewer blacks in some government role was proof of systemic discrimination against blacks, which is this same backwards logic. So it even affects the 'top minds' on the left.
Well it also helps that the default right wing position, or even a centrist/moderate position is to distrust the government and always assume the government is either 1) incompetent or 2) malicious and only concerned with its own preservation/existence
The left wing SOMETIMES rails against the government, but only if it goes against their views, and they won't hesitate to prop the government up to push their shit if it's ok to do so, even if it increases the power of government or it hurts other people (i.e. advocating for the government to censor free speech, cheering the military industrial complex to continue the war in Ukraine, etc)
Someone on Reddit's r/shitpoliticssays (last bastion of sanity on Reddit) said that one thing leftists have lost the ability to do is think of "second order consequences".
They aren't thinking of what happens in the LONG run when you advocate for something.
Case in point, the retards in Europe who are "Just Stop Oil" activists. To them, completely stopping traffic and stopping the use of oil tomorrow will suddenly fix the world.
They don't recognize that it will also hurt THEM and their family and friends if we ever gave those retards what they want.
You're 100% right on this.
Don’t forget the breathless reporting about the dangers of conspiracy theories
It always amuses me that this bitch is so retarded that her off-TV persona/content makes her MSNBC statements look sane, rational, compassionate, and smart.
A retarded black woman is never going to receive the treatment Alex Jones did. Our justice system is compromised.
Why you gotta get my hopes up like that? She should get the Alex Jones treatment (and so should a bunch of other people), but we all know that's never going to happen.
A $50 trillion judgement against MSNBC ought to do it.
Liberals are on a precarious ledge.
First step is "was this really an assassination attempt??!"
Second step is "are we the bad guys for wanting that all along?"
Third step is "yes" and they're falling off the cliff.
This is why they are so resistant to taking that first step.
Bullseye is a make believe characters guys. There's no person on this planet who is a good enough shot that you would trust enough to instruct with, "nick just the tip of my ear at 140 yards while my head is moving."
Yeah we do. Diversity hire agents who weren't capable of fulling their duties.
Until leftists feel afraid to say things like this in the same way normal people are afraid to complain about gender psychosis or point out that black people commit more violent crimes than white people, things will keep getting worse.
Superman is white. I can only assume that the person depicted on her shirt stole Superman's costume from Clark Kent's closet.
She's not wrong (although I can't say I'd expect access to his personal medical records when the sitting president won't tale a cognitive faculty test).
The big question is: was this a collaboration between Trump and the secret service to secure the election for him, or an actual attempt and the USSS is just so diverse that they were totally unable to identify the threat, stop the shooting, or force an 80yo man off the stage and into a vehicle with their 5'0" 80lb female agents?
someone else said it best:
it was staged, but the shooter wasn't supposed to miss
I have to admit that I was more skeptical of this idea before more and more weirdness came out, but...
Why did they recruit a guy who was thrown out of a rifle club for being a terrible shot?
Trump turned his head.
What does that have to do with them recruiting the worst shot in the world to carry out a world-shaking assassination?
Also, 'the plan' didn't take into account that Trump might turn his head?
Like I said before, I think they're too smart to want to take out Trump this way, not that they're not capable of doing it or that they're not evil enough to want to do it.
For starters, I don't believe that. Also, if he really was intended to die, and they had time to train him, other characteristics might be more important than his starting shooting ability. Heck, maybe they even wanted the narrative that 'look, AR's are so easy and dangerous even losers can shoot presidents with them!' Who knows? But I don't think him allegedly being a bad shot is a dealbreaker to them. They often pick losers for their ops anyway.
Of course they knew it was possible, but you can't plan every little detail; the goal here was to have as good a chance as possible, and it seems they managed that at least. He was given every chance to succeed.
I wish we lived in such a simple reality, where our evil overlords were at least competent. But look at all the other stupid shit they've pulled, that they should have been too smart for. If they were truly competent, they wouldn't have pushed things so far that their opposition seems to be waking up, for example. I know they like some level of conflict, but it still seems like they went way too far overboard, and probably don't appreciate the current level of scrutiny and pushback they're getting.
Our overlords are constantly doing absolutely retarded stuff. Sad but true.
Someone who is a good shot is likely successful in life and thus has no will to kill the president. They want losers cuz they're easier to manipulate
That might have just been an excuse.
Most teachers aren't going to straight up say 'That kid was fucking psycho and I didn't want him around anything that could easily help him kill people' in public. Or, more sensible, 'I had a bad gut feeling about him but I can't use that as a reason to keep him out'.
"Too much paperwork and trouble...kid was, uh...a bad shot." - Teachers, probably.
People have disagreed, but I still think it's possible he wasn't the only shooter. One of my working theories is they radicalized him and allowed him access, and a better trained sniper took the actual shot as soon as Crooks started firing (if he even did, odd we don't have any footage of that so far, actually.) It really is wild, too. Trump really was an inch away from death or at the very least some serious brain damage. If he hadn't moved when he did, we'd be having a massively different conversation.
In the split second during the pulling trigger and bullet travel, Trump moved his head at a slightly different angle that changed ''bullet firmly throught the brain'' to ''bullet through the ear''.
If the shooter was supposed to miss, he was going to ''fail at missing''.
The only way to stick with ''it was missed on purpose'' would be to claim there was no bullet.
You misunderstand, I'm not arguing that it missed on purpose, only that the guy was a very bad shot. He fired several shots after Trump moved his head. Now I as a Eurofag am not exactly an expert on shooting, but surely you can move your gun slightly after you get off the first shot?
Unless he was on horse tranquilizers his veins must have been pure adrenaline at that point. He just did the most important (and final) thing in his life and it failed, so I'd expect him to panic and try to "save" it, and that never works out. Unless he was breathtakingly stupid he must have known he had a couple of seconds to live after the first shot.
I don't think they recruited him, so much as they let it happen.
Look, we don't know what the people who set the shooter up were wanting to accomplish...other than the death of Donald Trump.
There was sketchiness in spades, and it was a conspiracy, but Trump himself certainly wasn't in on it. He's not going to agree to getting shot at, much less so closely...they shot him in the head. They wanted him dead, I'm damn near positive of that.
You're retarded.
Oh no, it's retarded 😔
This is breaking a lot of people.
Thinking the secret service and Trump staged this is a midwit take.
You're smart enough to know that it's not just incompetence that caused this, but not quite smart enough to break out of Orange Man Bad^TM
I see you're feeling charitable this morning.
Nah you have to be smart enough not to buy the "official" narrative that this was a lone gunman, but dumb enough to buy the establishments bullshit.
It's the bell curve meme.
I disagree. You don't have to be smart to be a conspiracy theorist. You have to be smart to be a clever or accurate conspiracy theorist.
You can be a conspiracy theorist really easily if you simply don't care about reality, and just want to present yourself as correct; which is basically just leftism in a nutshell.
Besides, saying it was staged isn't exactly the official narrative, but it also doesn't stray from it far. The official narrative is Orange Man Bad and, almost as importantly, Orange Man Certainly Can't Be Good.
If your belief is that Trump is Bad and must be Bad, you just stick to that, and make something up to explain how he is Bad. That doesn't take smarts. "Trump faked it" isn't straying from the core message.
You're joking, right?
It's spelled Alec Baldwin.
It is interesting Alec Baldwin had all charges dropped right before the assassination attempt.
Where was Alec, when Trump was shot?!
Oh there is definetly something that dosen't add-up, but ''Trump faked it'' isn't it.