Dr Disrespect was an idiot messaging a minor using Twitch whispers (which you SHOULD be over 18 to use)
He WAS investigated, no criminality or illegal activities were found and 3 years later when Twitch banned him for this (might have been relating to a rule change caused by old media) they got sued and paid a settlement to Dr Disrespect
Twitch's child safety net is shit
What is unconfirmed:
Ex Twitch employees who hated Dr Disrespect MIGHT have honey trapped him with a FAKE minor and ILLEGALLY recorded his messages, these messages were the ones used in the investigation that found him innocent other than being an idiot. If this is all true then these ex employees and Twitch are REALLY fucked legally and extremely vulnerable to another lawsuit
Also don't forget: they sat on this for YEARS and did nothing. If he was such a big child predator why leave him be to potentially predat again? The whole situation is entirely messed up, he was a huge idiot but I still want to see some hard evidence of what he supposedly has written to fully judge him.
That's what confused me. Why are you sitting on a story like this during the #MeToo era in 2017-2018? It was going to come out eventually (very high chance it would have been by accident to) and it makes Twitch look worse by covering it up.
I'm just saying it shows their priorities. They don't really care about children. And if they did, they wouldn't have cared about any NDAs or something like that.
Dr Disrespect was an idiot messaging a minor using Twitch whispers (which you SHOULD be over 18 to use)
It kind of sounds like the status of the chat partner is unconfirmed.
I would think that twitch, having reported Disrespect, would have proof of the account holder being underage despite getting herself access to messaging.
But seeing as the investigators found Disrespect clean, it could mean multiple things. Two major potential implications are that the account owner was legitimately of legal age or it was reasonable for Disrespect to believe that.
With that said, I think Dr. Disrespect might not currently know the true identity or age of the account owner, but still understands that it may have been a minor since that was the pretense of the investigation.
His original big message he posted right after this blew up had him using the word "minor" in it. Which he then edited out within a few minutes, likely on re-read.
Which means he either confirms it was a minor and he knew it (possibly after it all blew up, so not really guilty), so he edited it to look better, or the unlikely version he worked himself into their shoot and subconsciously he come to believe their version of events.
At this point, I'd wager he knows it was one. The question I think still remains on the "did he know before or after shit got wild?" Which if he didn't know until later, he is still a fucking retard because you always card girls online.
Why would he feel the need to card a girl on a service that supposedly carded her on entrance? Sure, he should have, but you don't assume girls at bars that check IDs are underage right?
I do in fact always keep in mind that girls at bars could be underaged. Because children lie, and teens can be pretty good at it. Heck spend a few days on Tinder or Bumble and see how many girls say "My actual age is X, I can't change it" on their profile, which is because they were on the app in high school looking for oldermen. I don't know the legality of how "on the hook" a website or business is when kids say "I'm over 18" or present a fake ID, but that's not my point.
For both your own safety, you always card a girl who looks under 25-30 in real life and online entirely before you get to anything concrete or overtly sexual. For the same reason you don't trust "Gun Free Zone" signs to mean you are safe from getting shot. Always look out for yourself, never trust "The System's Safeguards" to work. I feel like people are rushing to absolve him of any blame and are becoming unreasonable in doing so.
Not to say he has the lion's share of blame for if she was a minor, because as you said she should have been carded by someone else, but he is still a fool from a personal safety and moral standpoint for not doing so anyway.
If they got into the bar on a fake ID, it's probably going to pass your cursory drunken inspection. But it's a weak metaphor, I guess, since Twitch has no actual controls beyond "do you super duper promise you're allowed to buy our pornography we're peddling to you, errr, sorry, I mean hot tub ASMR streamers?"
Yeah bars have guys whose job is to not only ask for the ID but have a discerning eye on the person physically handing it to them to verify. Something an internet process doesn't have available short of a "get on webcam to prove its you" which we can all agree is both invasive and likely to lead to bad places.
Yeah, I was hearing this today, and my first thought was, "wait, didn't he basically confess to what he was being accused of?" I can't recall how he worded it off-hand, but it was the kind of post that made even all the "evidence or shut up" people say "well, he's fucked." Also saw a clip of how he ended his last stream; he looked down at his phone, and his expressions instantly became those of a doomed man, and he out of nowhere starts talking about just stopping, and getting out of (whatever he's affiliated with).
so.. a 12 year old is old enough to change genders/sex, which means they have a concept of sex. but this old dude messaging and flirting a 17 year old is all of a sudden "oh no... minor". i know i said previously, that it is whatever unless he was grooming the individual. no way to tell what was this "flirting". if he said "you are a pretty, young girl". it can be seen as flirting or a complement.
ive seen enough To Catch A Predator to know its only illegal if they send dick picks or ask to meet up. lol.
He was investigated and found just as guilty as gamergate!
Which is to say: no charge, no filings, no record addendums.
If the reason behind this is a "reasonable person test" that a reasonable person would assume the person he was messaging was "of age", of course, that's grey area in the court of public opinion... but Twitch sat on this info for a half-decade, they clearly didn't think anything of it when they suspended him years ago, and he dragged them through the legal courts while they had all this info.
If Twitch had any records of his wrongdoings, which took place on Twitch messaging, they'd bring them up when he sued them for defamation, no matter how minor (heh) tangentially related they may be.
Yes, I believe that is one of the earliest things we notice about the anointed liberal personality type even outside their silly political takes. To them virtue is nothing but clothing and a way to wash their sins through scapegoating.
Just some of my thoughts to keep contrast in my head.
If it shakes out that Dr. D is a through and through predator. I'm fine with the pillory and outrage.
Hasn't every NBA player and rockstar over the last 100 years plowed through hordes of groupies? When chicks are throwing themselves at you , you're expected to weed out the kids. How diligent do you expect people to be when getting Twitch DM's How far into a conversation?
On Twitch you can DM anyone, unless they have it set to private. Was this a case of Dr. D replying to flirty messages? Was this a case of him going to a chick's stream and starting up a convo? I guess I'm wondering if he ever even saw this person, who initiated, did pictures start flying? Was it a catfish? A clout-chaser? Groupie? Or, hopefully not, Dr. Disrespect trolling streams and using his own Twitch fame to dredge chicks?
Unpopular opinion. If I'm getting Twitch DM's or messages joking around, flirting whatever, it might take awhile before I leap to 'How old are you and can you provide a govt ID' On the other hand, I'm never gonna try to arrange a meet up or even invest further in an online relationship, from a cold open from a stranger.
Now that I have sorted that all out in my head.
It would seem that Dr. D might be an idiot. Though I like him, why on Earth would you get sucked into a DM bait like that? Especially when he was probably getting 1000's of messages a week, so would likely have a privacy setting turned on. So, it could be more likely that he was trawling streams and started flirting with a girl. Who then turned out to be not completely legal, and he bailed at some unclear time, either before or after the demarcation line of fucking up.
It's fair to say that the dude is a creep of the highest order whilst also saying that Twitch absolutely should be called out for sitting on this info for so long.
More importantly, why should you care? These YouTube "celebrities" are even more irrelevant than regular celebrities. Conduct unbecoming is more unlikely because their primary audience is children, and untoward conduct is no stranger to a man who is already known to have cheated on his wife. It doesn't matter whether he's innocent or not. This is not important.
We know from his own tweet that he engaged in sexually provocative conversations with someone that he knew was or believed to be 17. We have also heard from multiple sources now that he was investigated by authorities and was cleared. What is new and still rumor until verified is that it was some sort of fishing expedition by Twitch employees.
Multiple things can be true at once. Dr Disrespect was creeping on a minor or someone that he believed was a minor. Dr Disrespect also apparently did nothing illegal. Twitch employees were also possibly involved in the whole thing.
Your last paragraph is what I'm starting to think. I don't watch the guy or any Twitch people, I just think the potential machinations by Twitch staff is very interesting to see.
He acknowledged chatting with a minor and admitted that it veared close to a place it never should have, but never actually crossed the line and nothing illegal happened.
That's a bit vague I know, but I forget his exact wording. The important part is that he admitted it wasn't totally innocent chatting like how's your summer going type shit.
So why didn't he? Why couldn't he get away with it? Why did he stop talking to her? I don't have clear answers on those either, but I think we should have more proof before assuming the worst or making such slanderous accusations.
He's cheated on his wife before by his own admission and, according to Null, he's at least flirted with trannies. He's not a man of upright character that's worth rallying for.
He admitted to texting with a minor (or someone he believed was a minor in the best case for him). It's not necessarily immoral but it looks very sketchy.
been kind of disappointed in Kiwifarms on this one and their comments about Count Dankula
The TERF problem on KF has been a growing issue over the last year and Nool has openly admitted they are his target audience because A) they "most resemble" the original users he mises and B) they spend the most money on the site.
Its why you can find the same handful of women posters going around ruining basically any thread they are in but not getting any punishment for massively derailing things, while also getting a special "men banned" thread for themselves.
I doubt it. Nool doesn't have the time necessary to post as much as he does and she does. Both are far too active.
The reality seems to be the cliche, which is an autistic shutin got titty pics and money from a girl and is now willing to let her do whatever as long as the river keeps flowing and it doesn't directly effect his other goals.
When news breaks about a potential lolcow, whether the information was gathered by KF users or not, it becomes virtually impossible to parse through because Featured Threads on the frontpage instantly get filled up with thread tourists posting inane comments.
Resulting in any useful info getting buried under dozens upon upon dozens of pages of "lol, kys".
What is most amusing to me is that there seem to be a lot of confused people here. Accusations of sexual talk with a minor?! ((((Herschel Beahm))))?! Twitter/twitch/facebook cancel culture?! Based gamer fighting with feminists?! Which side am I on?!
Yeah you can dislike someone even if they otherwise had good takes that's just how it is. Personally, unless he knowingly sexted or tried to meet up with someone under 16 I don't really care. 15+ is legal here and teenage girls are not innocent flowers (sadly) so American moralfagging also doesn't apply to me.
I'm staying clear of this whole situation. I've made comments on other platforms that he didn't break any laws, but morally the guy is fucked. There's also a lot of unproven claims going around. Especially by high profile people like Grummz and the Quartering. I'm not going to defend this guy, but I'm not going to add more fuel to the fire unless there's actual verifiable evidence. Social media and online celebrities are retarded.
Yeah, these people release nerd clickbait and empty content for a lucrative living. They create nothing of substance and don't deserve our attention. Fuck 'em all.
So what was confirmed:
Dr Disrespect was an idiot messaging a minor using Twitch whispers (which you SHOULD be over 18 to use)
He WAS investigated, no criminality or illegal activities were found and 3 years later when Twitch banned him for this (might have been relating to a rule change caused by old media) they got sued and paid a settlement to Dr Disrespect
Twitch's child safety net is shit
What is unconfirmed:
Ex Twitch employees who hated Dr Disrespect MIGHT have honey trapped him with a FAKE minor and ILLEGALLY recorded his messages, these messages were the ones used in the investigation that found him innocent other than being an idiot. If this is all true then these ex employees and Twitch are REALLY fucked legally and extremely vulnerable to another lawsuit
It's the clusterfuck that never ends!
Also don't forget: they sat on this for YEARS and did nothing. If he was such a big child predator why leave him be to potentially predat again? The whole situation is entirely messed up, he was a huge idiot but I still want to see some hard evidence of what he supposedly has written to fully judge him.
That's what confused me. Why are you sitting on a story like this during the #MeToo era in 2017-2018? It was going to come out eventually (very high chance it would have been by accident to) and it makes Twitch look worse by covering it up.
I'm just saying it shows their priorities. They don't really care about children. And if they did, they wouldn't have cared about any NDAs or something like that.
It kind of sounds like the status of the chat partner is unconfirmed.
I would think that twitch, having reported Disrespect, would have proof of the account holder being underage despite getting herself access to messaging.
But seeing as the investigators found Disrespect clean, it could mean multiple things. Two major potential implications are that the account owner was legitimately of legal age or it was reasonable for Disrespect to believe that.
With that said, I think Dr. Disrespect might not currently know the true identity or age of the account owner, but still understands that it may have been a minor since that was the pretense of the investigation.
His original big message he posted right after this blew up had him using the word "minor" in it. Which he then edited out within a few minutes, likely on re-read.
Which means he either confirms it was a minor and he knew it (possibly after it all blew up, so not really guilty), so he edited it to look better, or the unlikely version he worked himself into their shoot and subconsciously he come to believe their version of events.
At this point, I'd wager he knows it was one. The question I think still remains on the "did he know before or after shit got wild?" Which if he didn't know until later, he is still a fucking retard because you always card girls online.
Why would he feel the need to card a girl on a service that supposedly carded her on entrance? Sure, he should have, but you don't assume girls at bars that check IDs are underage right?
I do in fact always keep in mind that girls at bars could be underaged. Because children lie, and teens can be pretty good at it. Heck spend a few days on Tinder or Bumble and see how many girls say "My actual age is X, I can't change it" on their profile, which is because they were on the app in high school looking for oldermen. I don't know the legality of how "on the hook" a website or business is when kids say "I'm over 18" or present a fake ID, but that's not my point.
For both your own safety, you always card a girl who looks under 25-30 in real life and online entirely before you get to anything concrete or overtly sexual. For the same reason you don't trust "Gun Free Zone" signs to mean you are safe from getting shot. Always look out for yourself, never trust "The System's Safeguards" to work. I feel like people are rushing to absolve him of any blame and are becoming unreasonable in doing so.
Not to say he has the lion's share of blame for if she was a minor, because as you said she should have been carded by someone else, but he is still a fool from a personal safety and moral standpoint for not doing so anyway.
If they got into the bar on a fake ID, it's probably going to pass your cursory drunken inspection. But it's a weak metaphor, I guess, since Twitch has no actual controls beyond "do you super duper promise you're allowed to buy our pornography we're peddling to you, errr, sorry, I mean hot tub ASMR streamers?"
Yeah bars have guys whose job is to not only ask for the ID but have a discerning eye on the person physically handing it to them to verify. Something an internet process doesn't have available short of a "get on webcam to prove its you" which we can all agree is both invasive and likely to lead to bad places.
I think "send me pics of yourself via WebCam" is already in "you're fucked if you're wrong, m8" territory.
Yeah, I was hearing this today, and my first thought was, "wait, didn't he basically confess to what he was being accused of?" I can't recall how he worded it off-hand, but it was the kind of post that made even all the "evidence or shut up" people say "well, he's fucked." Also saw a clip of how he ended his last stream; he looked down at his phone, and his expressions instantly became those of a doomed man, and he out of nowhere starts talking about just stopping, and getting out of (whatever he's affiliated with).
This whole situation is screwed up.
17?
This whole thing is over mild flirting with a 17 year-old?
It's sleazy for him to do, especially as a married man, but I just have to roll my eyes at the pearl-clutching over a 17 year-old.
AFAIK, the age of the minor has never been confirmed anywhere (unless it's in the new video).
The "she was 17" thing is something that's unsourced but keeps being repeated.
so.. a 12 year old is old enough to change genders/sex, which means they have a concept of sex. but this old dude messaging and flirting a 17 year old is all of a sudden "oh no... minor". i know i said previously, that it is whatever unless he was grooming the individual. no way to tell what was this "flirting". if he said "you are a pretty, young girl". it can be seen as flirting or a complement.
ive seen enough To Catch A Predator to know its only illegal if they send dick picks or ask to meet up. lol.
He was investigated and found just as guilty as gamergate!
Which is to say: no charge, no filings, no record addendums.
If the reason behind this is a "reasonable person test" that a reasonable person would assume the person he was messaging was "of age", of course, that's grey area in the court of public opinion... but Twitch sat on this info for a half-decade, they clearly didn't think anything of it when they suspended him years ago, and he dragged them through the legal courts while they had all this info.
If Twitch had any records of his wrongdoings, which took place on Twitch messaging, they'd bring them up when he sued them for defamation, no matter how minor (heh) tangentially related they may be.
I think all these personalities and companies are going hard on this dr disrespect because they try to overcompensate to hide their own skeletons.
The feminist males that supports metoo are often rapists themselves.
Yes, I believe that is one of the earliest things we notice about the anointed liberal personality type even outside their silly political takes. To them virtue is nothing but clothing and a way to wash their sins through scapegoating.
Just some of my thoughts to keep contrast in my head.
If it shakes out that Dr. D is a through and through predator. I'm fine with the pillory and outrage.
Hasn't every NBA player and rockstar over the last 100 years plowed through hordes of groupies? When chicks are throwing themselves at you , you're expected to weed out the kids. How diligent do you expect people to be when getting Twitch DM's How far into a conversation?
On Twitch you can DM anyone, unless they have it set to private. Was this a case of Dr. D replying to flirty messages? Was this a case of him going to a chick's stream and starting up a convo? I guess I'm wondering if he ever even saw this person, who initiated, did pictures start flying? Was it a catfish? A clout-chaser? Groupie? Or, hopefully not, Dr. Disrespect trolling streams and using his own Twitch fame to dredge chicks?
Unpopular opinion. If I'm getting Twitch DM's or messages joking around, flirting whatever, it might take awhile before I leap to 'How old are you and can you provide a govt ID' On the other hand, I'm never gonna try to arrange a meet up or even invest further in an online relationship, from a cold open from a stranger.
Now that I have sorted that all out in my head.
It would seem that Dr. D might be an idiot. Though I like him, why on Earth would you get sucked into a DM bait like that? Especially when he was probably getting 1000's of messages a week, so would likely have a privacy setting turned on. So, it could be more likely that he was trawling streams and started flirting with a girl. Who then turned out to be not completely legal, and he bailed at some unclear time, either before or after the demarcation line of fucking up.
It's fair to say that the dude is a creep of the highest order whilst also saying that Twitch absolutely should be called out for sitting on this info for so long.
Nah, absolutely not a creep of the highest order. That's hyperbole again.
Where is the police report?
There is none? Then it wasen't important enough to involve the cops.
What's interesting is the guy sued Twitch and got a nice settlement, which drops the credibility and severity of the accusations further down.
More importantly, why should you care? These YouTube "celebrities" are even more irrelevant than regular celebrities. Conduct unbecoming is more unlikely because their primary audience is children, and untoward conduct is no stranger to a man who is already known to have cheated on his wife. It doesn't matter whether he's innocent or not. This is not important.
We know from his own tweet that he engaged in sexually provocative conversations with someone that he knew was or believed to be 17. We have also heard from multiple sources now that he was investigated by authorities and was cleared. What is new and still rumor until verified is that it was some sort of fishing expedition by Twitch employees.
Multiple things can be true at once. Dr Disrespect was creeping on a minor or someone that he believed was a minor. Dr Disrespect also apparently did nothing illegal. Twitch employees were also possibly involved in the whole thing.
Your last paragraph is what I'm starting to think. I don't watch the guy or any Twitch people, I just think the potential machinations by Twitch staff is very interesting to see.
Is the guy guilty, was he just an idiot creep or was he framed? I have no clue!
Guilty of what? I hadn't heard any credible accusations of criminality.
He's guilty of being a straight man on the internet, so he must die.
I thought there was a parallel leak that Doc is also a tranny chaser.
It's certainly possible that the tranny stuff was a gayop.
I believe the actual gross tranny DMs actually have been leaked as opposed to the pedo ones that are still sealed.
Of course, DMs can be faked as well.
https://x.com/leenalovepro/status/1806062646182953281
He acknowledged chatting with a minor and admitted that it veared close to a place it never should have, but never actually crossed the line and nothing illegal happened.
That's a bit vague I know, but I forget his exact wording. The important part is that he admitted it wasn't totally innocent chatting like how's your summer going type shit.
It definitely wasn't gamer shit talking. His own words made that clear.
No, man. He was edging closer to a place he never got, but he wanted it. He would have sex with a minor if he believed he could get away with it.
So? Just go to Europe then.
I believe in objective morality.
I am in Europe.
The guy himself tweeted about it. People's issues with him aren't baseless.
Pretty sure he did not tweet that he would have sex with a minor if he could get away with it.
So why didn't he? Why couldn't he get away with it? Why did he stop talking to her? I don't have clear answers on those either, but I think we should have more proof before assuming the worst or making such slanderous accusations.
He's cheated on his wife before by his own admission and, according to Null, he's at least flirted with trannies. He's not a man of upright character that's worth rallying for.
He admitted to texting with a minor (or someone he believed was a minor in the best case for him). It's not necessarily immoral but it looks very sketchy.
The TERF problem on KF has been a growing issue over the last year and Nool has openly admitted they are his target audience because A) they "most resemble" the original users he mises and B) they spend the most money on the site.
Its why you can find the same handful of women posters going around ruining basically any thread they are in but not getting any punishment for massively derailing things, while also getting a special "men banned" thread for themselves.
I've seen speculation that one of the profilic TERF shitposters, Lidl Drip, is in fact Null's alt.
I doubt it. Nool doesn't have the time necessary to post as much as he does and she does. Both are far too active.
The reality seems to be the cliche, which is an autistic shutin got titty pics and money from a girl and is now willing to let her do whatever as long as the river keeps flowing and it doesn't directly effect his other goals.
When news breaks about a potential lolcow, whether the information was gathered by KF users or not, it becomes virtually impossible to parse through because Featured Threads on the frontpage instantly get filled up with thread tourists posting inane comments.
Resulting in any useful info getting buried under dozens upon upon dozens of pages of "lol, kys".
What is most amusing to me is that there seem to be a lot of confused people here. Accusations of sexual talk with a minor?! ((((Herschel Beahm))))?! Twitter/twitch/facebook cancel culture?! Based gamer fighting with feminists?! Which side am I on?!
Yeah you can dislike someone even if they otherwise had good takes that's just how it is. Personally, unless he knowingly sexted or tried to meet up with someone under 16 I don't really care. 15+ is legal here and teenage girls are not innocent flowers (sadly) so American moralfagging also doesn't apply to me.
I'm staying clear of this whole situation. I've made comments on other platforms that he didn't break any laws, but morally the guy is fucked. There's also a lot of unproven claims going around. Especially by high profile people like Grummz and the Quartering. I'm not going to defend this guy, but I'm not going to add more fuel to the fire unless there's actual verifiable evidence. Social media and online celebrities are retarded.
You can say that again. Seems like a mix of terrible people doing terrible things.
Yeah, these people release nerd clickbait and empty content for a lucrative living. They create nothing of substance and don't deserve our attention. Fuck 'em all.