Question above. My only experience is with a handful of episodes from the original series. They were OK, but I'm not sure I want to watch the whole thing. It's a little too low budget for me. Can I just jump into the movies or one of the later series?
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Jokes aside I enjoyed Deep Space 9.
The good stuff is TNG and DS9, so I would start with those. The problem with TNG though is that the early seasons have some very shitty episodes.
There are tons of viewing/episode guides available, my recommendation is using one of them. Skip the very low rated episodes unless you like the theme of them (or the characters they focus on).
You an watch the TOS movies without having watched the TOS series.
I personally prefer ENT over VOY.
I abandoned DIS after 2-3 episodes, Picard after a season and haven't bothered with anything else.
ENT had so much potential until that idiotic time war nonsense.
It had so much potential until partway through the first episode?
It could have been a blip for a few episodes and ignored. When it took over the show, it became 'Not Quantum Leap' in space.
No - those are NOT the good stuff - those are early entries of America's descent into woke-ism.
Pushing such great ideas as it's ok to wipe memories of non-warp drive peoples to uphold the prime directive or that the prime directive is so benevolent that it's OK to have a duck blind in the middle of a growing civilization because "enlightenment".
So much so that Babylon 5 had episodes that direct called out such hypocrisy.
Both TNG and DS9, like TOS, have their good and bad episodes, but they're woke as shit. Voyager goes one step beyond (and kills all the white crewmen in epsiode 1) and it just degenerates from there.
If cheap effects turn you off I'd suggest that you're missing the point. ST:TOS wasn't about "effects" but about story. Yes some oft the fx don't compare to super whiz-bang CG. But that wasn't the point. It's the best they had at the time to represent actions in the story. See the remastered episodes of TOS if it's such a burden on you, but understand that the staying power of TOS (which launched TNG, DS9 , et; al) is its stories and actors and teaching new ways to think.
FYI, those are due to letting all of the main characters have a chance to write, and direct. Except Wesley.
So, institutional "SHUT UP WESLEY"? Good! :D
You joke. But, they didn't like him. It was long before woke.. But, he was woke. He's an asshole on reddit. He doesn't seem to realize the more he tells a story, the more unedited parts can be put together by people paying attention.
He had a chance, they stopped him. No one will discuss it! Notice he's barely in Picard.
People say the series they grew up with was the best, or even good.
The truth is that none of them are good shows, there are a few great episodes and tons of shitty episodes. We remember the good episodes, the bad ones are just forgotten and skipped over.
This is why the Original Series and Next Generation hold up over time way better than the others, because each series is more and more trying to tell a long-running story and they're all very bad at it.
The only place where I disagree is that DS9 had some really good long-running story arcs. (I would not say the same for ENT but ymmv) But yes, despite everything else that's wrong with them, the newer series would have been better off doing the one-shot episode format.
can agree with most of that... except when the "prophets" were involved, that was a plot point that just felt bad to me.
DS9 started out shit but when the introduced the Dominion got good and once the war starts it's pretty great.
Garak is probably my fav Star Trek character ever.
The Original Series is good if you enjoy that sort of over-the-top 60s-era adventure camp.
TNG is consistently good. DS9 is not just the best Star Trek show, but actually one of the best television series ever produced in terms of the overall quality of the writing. You just have to get through the first half of Season 1 and it takes off.
Voyager sucked. They had a great foundation and a really good idea for a novel series but they completely threw away all of that potential and it just became a generic monster-of-the-week show with shallow characters. Even Enterprise was better than Voyager, and that's not saying much.
From the Best of Both Worlds til season 7 when it gets mostly shit til the end
S6 is when Patrick Stewart started having more influence over his character and it shows. Starship Mine was a fine episode (Die Hard in SPAAACE) but Picard was a totally different Picard than the early seasons by that point.
DS9 is just a ripoff of Babylon 5, except without the forethought so it's a mess with bad characters, bad writing, and proto-SJW morality.
We're suppose to like the always victim-card playing Bajorans, or creme to the gender-fluid/tranny Dax? Worse-than-Wesley kids featured more prominently? Affirmative-action Nog getting into star fleet, what a joke!
It's a show that if you didn't have teenage raging hormones at the time you watched it (pre-internet) you certainly wouldn't say best series ever produced - far from it.
Yeah, I agree with nearly 100% of this. (didn't think the Nog was an AA hire because he was shown to be competent) I watched it for the first time recently and I expected something great and found it completely meh.
The Dominion arc I just found to be nonsense. There was this gigantic war going on, but the context of what's going on is really unclear, and conditions seem to fluctuate in ways that are convenient to whatever the plot for the story of the week needed. Also the Federation's ships are completely outmatched all the time -- their galaxy class flagships can't even take on the Dominion's fighters -- and they lose most of their fleet in tactical blunders (repeatedly IIRC?) but still somehow don't lose.
Quark, my favorite character, spends the entire series being emasculated. His mom, somehow, single handedly transforms the entire Ferengi empire from "patriarchal" structure with strict gender roles into a feminist utopia in the matter of a few years.
Sisko "sails" a solar ship in space ... which is physically impossible because there are no counteracting forces to steer the ship with, all so that they can show that the Bajorans were the real explorers and that the Cardassians didn't actually discover anything.
They turned Gul Dukat into a cartoon by the end of the series.
There's an "America was racist" episode. There's a "you need to accept your mixed-race offspring" episode.
Maybe I would have liked it more when it originally aired and am just too soured by the social justice nonsense, but even without that I thought most of the story wasn't that great.
To be fair, power isn't an unlimited resource in their setting. They need unobtainium and can't synthesize it. The shields always taking a strong hit could be the defenses are calibrated for a non-combat scenario, meant to deflect micro-meteors and whatnot, and they only divert more power to shields in a combat setting, so of the 10% of full power they have on the shields at the point of counterattack, they lose 30% of that, and don't even go all-in on the shields in combat unless the situation calls for it, to save fuel.
But that's headcanon territory.
I don't care if Straczynski had the idea for B5 first: DS9 was simply better. It had better writing, better acting and more believable characters. It explored themes that none of the other Star Trek series would ever touch, especially when it came to exposing the dark underbelly of the supposedly Utopian Federation, and it did so with a subtlety and a naturalness that B5 could never imitate.
Straczynski laid on his broader themes so thickly and oppressively that I always felt beaten down by them. He has no fialr for subtlety at all: even for 90s camp, that show was melodramatic, transparent and frankly pretty shallow. His dialogue was completely unrealistic and his characters were unrelatable as a result. Everyone in that show feels more like an archetype than a real human being. B5 simply wasn't very good.
I didn't say Babylon 5 was great, but rather that it's the cause of DS9 being a confused mess whereas B5 actually has a story.
Just look at the Babylon 5 plot synopsis vs Deep Space 9 -- the former tells a story, the latter is described as "plot elements" because it's a jumbled mess of nonsense.
Saying you like DS9 more than B5 is like saying you like Burger King better than McDonald's; they're both crap. Oh BK improved on crap, that's a real hot take.
I disagree about DS9. The discovery of the Gamma Quadrant Wormhole leads to a confrontation with a powerful, relentless enemy that's more technologically advanced than the Federation and leads to a years-long story arc that is pretty consistent, where fighting the war forces the DS9 crew and the Federation to question and reaffirm their commitment to the ideals that underpin their whole civilization and way of living. The whole Section 31 arc, the idea that Federation expansionism created more problems than it solved: a whole lot of that was explicitly anti-statist. Gene Roddenberry was too much of a pie-in-the-sky lefty futurist to have ever allowed that to go ahead while he was alive.
And even before that, the discovery of the wormhole and its connection to the Bajoran religion, the portrayal of the Bajorans as a hardened, jaded people recovering from a military occupation which they themselves fought to a stalemate with almost no help from the Federation, the constant assertion that their religion is the only thing holding them together: all of that is the opposite of woke. Even the portrayal of the Pa-Raiths as seeking to rule through corruption and subversion while the Prophets were the ones who largely expect you to solve your own problems was much more in tune with traditional Christianity than any leftist interpretation of it usually is.
That's a lot of words to say "Federation bad". Basically, a Picard-light version of Star Trek.
In fact one of the things people always cite is Sisko agreeing to let somebody go then killing them anyway 'for the greater good'... or something like that.
That's great if you like the Federation pulling people's eyes out as torture for fun. That kind of navel grazing introspection of the dark side happened because they couldn't "go where no man has gone before" since it's set in a fixed place with no story.
You sure like to read a lot of things that aren't there.
Hah the bajorans are like space Armenians, constantly whining about their genocide, but without the space jew clout to make anyone care
There are SOME good DS9 episodes.
For example, the Circle trilogy (S2E1-3).
It's a special kind of retarded to believe Dax is a tranny allegory, but at least trannies have the excuse of being insane. I have no idea how you got there while not being one yourself. Dax isn't a tranny, it's obviously reincarnation in sci-fi flavor. It's not even debatable, previous hosts are called "past lives." For fucks sake, there's even an episode where they do some wacky seance thing so the crew can be possessed by ghosts of her past lives.
Maybe you were too young to pick up on it at the time, but they laid it down pretty thick.
In her intro you didn't notice Bashir wanting to have sex with her then Sisko alluding to him not knowing she was previously a man? "wolf whistle this is going to take some getting used to". This gender confusion is a recurring theme.
Man undergoes surgery then is in the body of a women, taking on a new female name with calling her the old male name literally deadnaming. Oh my mistake, "past lifing". "Reincarnation surgery", yeah that's the ticket. kek.
At least in the TNG they had it right: Dr Beverly falls in love with the trill, he gets put into Riker temporarily and Crusher has offscreen sex with him, then he changes into a woman and Beverly is disgusted.
Kind of hard to miss, but I guess it wasn't on people's radar back in the 90s.
You ever notice that when somebody uses a supernatural being to refer to trannies, they call them demons or skinwalkers?
You're right to recognize TNG's Trill as a tranny allegory, whether or not it was intentional. That one was a body-snatching monster. It wore people like a skinsuit, and discarded them when it was done. It was unable to understand why actual humans were repulsed by it.
That's closer to what a tranny is. They're not just "somebody who once lived as the opposite sex." If that's all it was, you wouldn't find them nearly as disturbing. There's something more to them than that. They're more of a suicidal self-rejection. They cope with it by inventing a new identity, rejecting the old one completely, to the point where they mutilate their own bodies and erase their past self.
That's why they say "Mike was always Michelle, she just didn't know it yet," not "Mike became Michelle." That's why they kill themselves once the delusion breaks. That self-hatred, and the body-snatching by the delusional identity, believing itself to be the "true" identity, is what transgenderism actually is.
DS9's Trill are the complete opposite of TNG's Trill, so they're a rejection of what transgenderism actually is. DS9's Trill don't erase the previous life. The current life doesn't become a previous one either. There's never a moment where Jadzia says "Actually, Kurzon was always Jadzia." Kurzon was a whole person who lived a full life. Jadzia was a whole person (though "full life", maybe not). Dax is a non-sapient mechanism to scientifically justify past lives.
In order for trannies to be represented by DS9's Trill, they'd have to accept that their previous selves were complete and worthwhile people, which they can't do. It would require they face themselves. Most of them can't even do that in a literal sense; they get agitated by mirrors. If they were capable of that, they wouldn't be trannies in the first place. It's acceptance, not denial. They're complete opposites.
And you might say that it's supposed to be transgender allegory, if not a very good one, but they're so far removed from each other that I just don't see it. I find it far more likely that the Trill were just meant to be a sci-fi take on reincarnation, and trend-chasing parasites (Ira Steven Behr) latched onto it twenty years later.
I would start with the Original Series. If you don't like it, start with TNG but beware the first few seasons are camp. There is no big story detail you'll lose out om by watching a s2 ENT episode or whatever without watching all the rest first... the writers show and tell viewers the important stuff over and over actually, so that it can be watched out of order.
So do what you want, but I say try it out in chronological, because imo the series slowly lost itself with time. But your choices are about you and not about me so, why not poke around.
I'm gonna sound old and crotchety and judgemental here, but if you need CGI and expensive sets in order to enjoy TV then instead of skipping old, campy, low budget stuff you should intentionally limit yourself to it. Because it offers you a chance to improve your mind in an important way.
To take it further, if you need the tele-play fiction to look slick and modern you should consider reading books (maybe 1950's sci fi schlock novels and short stories) instead of exacerbating the problem with more endless television. There is essentially a muscle in the brain that is weak and lethargic from having its work done for it, and it needs to be engaged and do work in order for it to get stronger. This muscle is very important and its health will have an incredible effect on your life in ways that have nothing to do with consuming entertainment.
TNG had books when I was in hs. You can enjoy the universe without CGI.
Plenty of people in my life liked TOS. But, TNG came out when I was in middle school. The school must have had TNG books, because I can't remember going to the public library for them. I read a whole lot of TNG books before anyone else realized they were in the library.
If you want to go into the movies, go with 2, 3 (not as good, but required to understand what goes on between 2 and 4), 4, and 6.
When you're done with the Original Series completely, start The Next Generation, then Deep Space Nine (It may be a rough start, but things get AMAZING from the third season onward). I'm pretty sure all of the TNG movies are post-DS9, though the only one people will agree is worth watching is First Contact.
The Next Generation is the series to start with.
I enjoyed original series through Enterprise. I have some of the books and a number of Original and TNG comics from 80d and 90s as well
Anything before and including star trek enterprise
Going to get hate for this, but ENT intro song is awesome.
And DS9 is the best series by far.
Not star trek but I also enjoyed the orville which is star trek in everything but name.
Orville was a good spiritual successor to Star Trek. They had some really excellent episodes and then some really shitty ones.
A few too many woke themes so I won’t be rewatching them. Also, the two kids were very annoying.
MacFarlane. Maybe still a progressive faggot, but not Super Kike Rogen.
I'm going where my heart will take me.
Start with Star Trek Motion Picture. I know that was panned but imo it really captures the essence of the series. Then find a top 10 TOS eps and watch also Space Seed if it isn't in that list. Then watch Wrath of Khan.
After that Start on TNG, probably with a watch list to skip the really cringy ones. Then after the beginning of season 4 start on DS9 and watch that straight through because it is mostly good.
Honorable mention to Star Trek Animated Series which was peak TOS.
I should have been more clear that it Motion Picture isn't trek in general but TOS. I haven't watched it in maybe 15 year so excuse memory glitches but iirc it has almost all of the elements of a TOS episode but with a gigantic budget and extended runtime. Kirk acting cocky, losing newly introduced crew members, negative space wedgies, spock being a weirdo, rubber mask aliens (sort of, more short skirted aliens) the plot ties back to something humans did in the past.
The thing it is missing is kirk solving the situation by calling in an orbital strike.
TNG was the one that I fell in love with. DS9 is the same quality, Voyager had a few issues, but not bad. <- I don't recall watching Voyager to the end, I do recall Orange is the New Black had Capt Janeway's voice in it. Picard Season 3 can be watched without 1 or 2. It's like a great TNG movie.
Other opinions can be found c/startrek
Its a bit slow, but I actually have to choose which article I post. My news feed gets new article daily.
Count me among those that enjoyed most of Voyager. Though I did see the series finale, and it did get kinda ridiculous, but then, they did have to shoehorn in "the way to finally get home now" in two episodes.
How'd you like watching Seven test out being gay in Picard? I liked the character she played on Startgate SG1. That show eluded to getting busy, and moved on. Some of the papers I read made point to say it was bathroom break long.
I haven't watched any Star Trek that came after Enterprise, except for the first two Michael Bay movies.
I skipped enterprise. How was Quantum Leap man? Did you only think of QL? It happened to come out when I just didn't watch any television.
Never watched Quantum Leap. Bakula played Captain Archer pretty laid back. I think my biggest issue with the series was how often the Time-Space Continuum was an issue, especially considering it was supposed to be the precursor to everything.
That's the complaint I read so much. It was the star trek quantum leap!
she was never in sg-1, that was a different hot 90s blonde
I can't figure this shit out. Places say yes, places say no. No wonder I'm wrong.
She was in SG1, but maybe not the person I was thinking of. I was thinking of the blond that kicked Teal'c's ass while he's learning not to have a symbiote.
https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Anise
It's not as documented as star trek. I'm not sure if we're both right because I posted an interesting article on c/startrek about how many actors played multiple characters.
oh, that was t'pol.
Ty! It sucks SG1 isn't as documented as trek. If you switch to images, it's the same woman, the exactly same pic. I have a habit of using images, and going from there.
In the not-Mirror Universe arc they did, evil Seven married a short dude and forced him to be her secretary, which is probably the most in-character thing Seven did in all of Picard.
I posted a bit in c/startrek I read nothing good about that show until season 3. What did you think?
You have opened a two-gallon can of worms, I hope you know. The only reason I don't have a blog is because I'm too inconsistent.
I have the relatively unpopular opinion of not liking Picard S3 or SNW. They're not as overtly political, and sometimes even countersignal the left, but they're still sloppily-written and acted by overgrown theater kids playing themselves, instead of career men and military officers.
Of course I get it. Picard S3 and SNW aren't nearly as overtly political, and coming from the "Make the Empire Great Again" era of NuTrek, it's a breath of fresh air. The show isn't screaming about how much it hates me. But I'm gonna largely ignore that here, because it's a subject all its own.
That said, Picard S3 might be art of a kind, even if it's not especially good as a piece of entertainment. It's just hard to parse, and I haven't spent a lot of time with it. The problem is, it's so sloppy that it's frustrating to follow. I don't know what's intentional and not, or what's entertainment, commentary, or reflection, because I have to turn my brain off to avoid getting frustrated with the writing.
There's a moment in Picard S3 that poetically illustrates Picard's writing as a whole. They end the Grody Bitch Changling arc by flushing her, and her subplot, out an airlock. As soon as she's out, the show becomes something entirely different. Now it's a Borg episode, except somewhere along the way, it completely forgot that one of the last season's shizophrenic subplots was that the chubby girl became the Borg to save them with love, or something.
Granted, chubby girl Borg was a fucking stupid subplot and we'd do our best to forget it ever happened, but making the Borg the secret antagonists of the very next season only draws attention to it.
I can point to that moment as one of the most blatant examples of the show possibly rising above its station, but it's all over. For instance, Picard and Riker play big roles as sad, frustrated old men. They're then given an opportunity to rise to the challenge one more time, as their adult children all flounder, having been raised under their substandard care, into a world they bungled.
How much of that is the plot, and how much of that is just Stewart and Frakes being sad old men? Is there some subconscious recognition of their failures? Is that why it abandoned its shitty political messaging? If so, how the hell is the actual plot, the connective tissue, so dogshit? You don't have that kind of self-awareness, and then think the shit with the red door is clever.
As entertainment, I don't have a lot to say about it. Watch Q Who, Tapestry, Best of Both Worlds, and Family instead. As potentially unintentional commentary, it might be the best finale to NuTrek (even if SNW and STD aren't over yet), if you can possibly make sense of it. I'm sure there's something of value in there, I'm just not equipped or motivated to dig it up.
It was because of drama. Do you read screen rant? They're very good with citing articles, tweets, threads... Whatever.
People didn't just hate the politics. When Sir Patrick Stuart announced he wasn't signing any more contracts people went off. Not only had there already been a petition to make Picard non canon because it was considered that bad. People were tracking the weird shit the actors were doing because magazines were producing pieces on 20 something year olds signing on for a sci fi, and deciding to identify just like their character. Again, and again, and again.
This was the same time Lady Gaga went crazy making that movie I didn't see that required her to hire a nurse to be on set to finish the movie. So, the media was all cheerleading what should have been how the fuck are you identifying as an fictional starship AI? While people that were feeling just as yelled at as you describe were like, no one there was worried? And, it kept happening to the younger actors. It's all documented in magazines as. " their journey"
That clip I posted has comments on YouTube that say it better then I could ever. They didn't allow a different direction for the show. They lost their fans, the people they pandered to were never fans. So, they went back to basics. Because that's where their fan base was.
I enjoyed season 3. I binge watched it, and I don't usually allow myself to put that much time into the idiot box.
Thank you all for the tips, I never expected this many replies lol.
My friend who is a Star Trek traditionalist says to start with TNG.
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17s5kGw61k/where-do-i-start-star-trek/c
The Star Trek movies (Original Series, the ones with Shatner) were, for the most part, excellent. And aside from some characterization (Kirk is a maverick, Spock is logical, Bones is crotchety) you don't really need to know The Original Series to enjoy them. Start there.
First 2 seasons of TOS. Then TNG. DS9 is ok (except the last season, which was trash). Everything after that is a write off.
If you remember enough about the characters you could probably skip to the movies- if not watch Trouble with Tribbles which is a fun enough episode and should refresh you.
The 1st Star Trek movie is very 70s, I'd suggest skipping to Star Trek 2- really all you need to know from the 1st movie is they "retrofitted" the Enterprise so it doesn't look like the TV show. However 2 is a sequel to the episode Space Seed (which is a good one) so watch that if you don't know who Khan was. Watch films 2-4 & 6 and that raps the TOS films.
Watch TNG pilot, then skip to eps 9 & 10, (11 introduces Troi's mother who's a good recurring character but I think you can skip this one and not miss much) 13 to meet Data's brother, the last episode brings the Romulans back but I imagine you can skip it without missing much. There's a smattering of good eps in there ("The Arsenal of Freedom" is one of my favs), ep 23 Skin of Evil has a major death but the episode is not great.
For s3 jump to ep 3, 8, 9, 11, 16 is a very important one that intos a major villain race (always watch the Q episodes, this doesn't apply to Voyager), 19 has Troi's mom in an ep that doesn't suck, 20, I like 21, the final ep is a clip show so skip.
Season 3 then gets fairly good, 4-6 is really good then most of 7 is a lot of shit as they were focusing on the finale- which is probably the best series' finale I've ever seen.
TOS seasons 1 and 2 have a lot of good stuff, 3 mostly sucks. TNG is good with a shaky first season and occasional weak episodes. DS9 hits the highest highs of the franchise. Voyager is only good if the episode focuses on Seven of Nine or The Doctor (the first 3 seasons really suck ass). Enterprise is decent for the first two seasons then gets consistently better in 3 and 4 (especially after the Temporal Cold War is finally dealt with). No series after Enterprise is remotely watchable. The even numbered TOS movies and First Contact are the best movies.
Star Trek used to be and maybe still is one of my favorite series. Honestly, DS9 and TNG were the only exceptional ones. TOS and ENT are not bad but TOS is going to be too dated for most people and ENT is more like what the alt-fans like who're trying to be edgy and go against the generally accepted views of star trek fans. Voyageur isn't really good but it's good enough that if you really like star trek you can watch it and enjoy it. I wouldn't recommend it. Everything else (besides the movies) aren't worth watching.
The problem with starting off with TNG is that season 1 and 2 are tough to get into and will be pretty dated today. You can tell it took the actors a bit of time to truly feel comfortable in their roles and producers/writers to really know where they were going with things. Once TNG got into its groove, it was great. DS9 starts off a lot better than TNG because it ran concurrently with TNG and after TNG started. By then the Star Trek series was at its peak. Everyone knew what they were doing by this time.
For new watchers I would ask yourself this question. Are you convinced you're going to power through the whole series no matter what or if you watch a few episodes and get bored, are you just going to stop watching and forget about it?
If you're committed to watching everything no matter how bad it seems, then start with TNG.
If you're not sure if you'll watch everything but want to see if maybe you'll like it then start with DS9.
Here's something to consider. Most Star Trek fans alive today (younger people) became Star Trek fans by watching an episode here or there when they were flicking through the TV channels. They never watched the whole series from start to finish themselves until likely after the series had ended but they had already watched some of the episodes to know it interested them enough for them to watch the whole series from start to finish. This is something to consider because I think if you only watched some of the best episodes first you might get hooked enough to consider watching everything else. There are some fans who theorize new people should only watch the best episodes. I would suggest if you started with TNG/DS9 and got bored of it to then google the best Star Trek episodes and watch those 10. If that isn't enough to hook you back into the series, then maybe forget about Star Trek altogether.
TNG was my favorite series. the early seasons are very campy, but they are good if you like that sort of thing. the mid to later seasons are more grounded and in my opinion have the better episodes. honestly, I would watch the whole thing from start to finish as it makes it easier to follow the individual character arcs, which are all good in my opinion.
You already have a handful of episodes of the original series, which is great. Provided one of the episodes you've watched is "Space Seed", I'd watch the first four movies, then go through the rest of the TV series in release order through Enterprise (though I'd say there's a slow but noticeable decline in the quality of each successive series after TNG, which is exaggerated by the fact that they all take a season or two to get going.) I think the rest of the (non J.J.) movies can be watched at your leisure once you've finished TNG, but I don't remember much of any of the TNG movies so they're probably skippable. STD is irredeemable trash, don't watch it. I know people that like Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds, but I haven't seen them and wouldn't recommend them. Picard season 1 is bad, and season 2 is Last Jedi type awful, but season 3 is watchable without them and is actually decent.
Have scientist and engineering relatives. Then military and doctors as well.
DS9 is the best, but it needs an intro to the world. Watch some TNG and TOS to figure the shows out, then watch some sweet sweet Sisko.
The Original Series and the animated series from '73 were great. TNG ranged from bad to good, but everything after started the slope down to our current oblivion, IMHO.
Start on the 2nd season of anything scifi from that era.
Watch the first 2 minutes.
If the episode feels like a flop - skip to the next episode.
People want to reproduce their childhood memories, but you don't have to reproduce the aggravation of sitting through stuff you hated but you didn't have a choice to watch all the way through.
When I look up, " Wrath of Khan" it pulls up movie number II. That tells me, yes. I am referring to the movie. Can you please link me what you're referring to? Because the next is also a movie, but Spock comes back to life... Again. That's cheating life.
I didn't have a favorite character for TOS. I laughed when they threw themselves all over the bridge because they were under fire. TNG, I wanted to be Geodie LaForge when I grew up. A few other characters changed ranks in my list, like Beverly, and Worf. But, that's the one that never did change.
I still read articles about TOS, and they broke boundaries. Klingon is a real language ( that's called conlanging btw), but TNG did better making Klingons a distinct warrior culture. I know there's a comment here that thinks simplicity is best. There's a middle ground.
DS9 was willing to have fun. But, if you remember Worf had a mixed son. It was definitely a moment I laughed, and not everyone got it. I didn't know the excuse for the Tribbles was sense of smell until I just looked it up though.
I enjoyed those characters, but they weren't top of the list often.
Of course Worf had a mixed son. Worf AND Alexander's mother were both mixed themselves.
I just watched a clip of those two, you can't tell Alexander's mom is mixed by looking at her ridges. She's lighter skin tone though. But, the story line makes a big deal about Alexander needing to be a warrior because that how people with less brow ridges have to prove themselves.
https://youtu.be/spfK5yJNdZ4
I can remember two movies at the movie theater as a child. Beverly Hills Cop, and the Star Trek where Spock died. I fell asleep, woke up, and it as still going. Skip that movie, I have never had anyone disagree with my assessment that it's just long and boring. ( Child opinion, not torturing myself again)
I love Star Trek. But, then BHC won. Better music too.
https://youtu.be/xtOoeDPc9uI
Put me on that trekkie list of people not being a fan of Khan. I rate only 5 (Undiscovered Country) as worse. 4 is the worse Trek movie, but a more fun SF movie, so put that around Khan. Oh yeah, obviously only talking about TOS crew movies.
I just turned 44. I told you that terrorized me as a child.
Any time I brought this up, there was an agreement that it was long. Also, I tend to add that Spock died entirely too many times. I think I have been very clear of my opinion, and stating that when I share it people agree. For someone looking to start I gave my suggestion, and why.
You're honestly the first person that hasn't just laughed and said it was probably very boring for a child. My stepdad who was with me is surprised I even like Star Trek after that movie. I saw the TNG movies years later, and just seeing the old uniforms made me remember, and I haven't even re-watched TOS. I read how great certain episodes were for whatever reason. Reading about it is fine with me.
If you'd like to tell me why you like it, ty.