Blues came from classical, Jazz came from orchestral, rock & roll also classical, everything else is low IQ garbage where staccato and heavy repetition take away the ability to think.
Blues is a mix of of field hollers, ballads, etc I thought. I think a very simplified breakdown of rock would be blues/R&B having a baby with country music. I didn’t realize how much of an influence classical had til I was in my 20s and started listening to it regularly. My mom would try to get us to listen to classical growing up but I didn’t want to because rap was so much cooler to me then. She knew what she was talking about. Plus looney tunes exposes you to a lot of classical as a kid
Jazz/ Rock/ Blues all have their musical roots in European classical/ orchestral music. Bards were Celtic minstrel poets who came up with the small group to single person “orchestra” which is now called the modern band and the older term for band was much larger. Black slaves took European instruments and lyrical styles and innovated with them to create the sounds we see in jazz and blues.
No arguments. So they took their field hollers and applied them to a European music scale so to speak. One of my favorite old blues song is Gallows Pole by Leadbelly which was redone by Led Zeppelin. The song traces back to a Scottish ballad. That’s what got me interested in looking into more roots of music.
A lot of blues has its roots in Irish and Scottish ballads, the chaotic rhythms seen in jazz can also be seen in Irish jigs. The intermingling of those cultures with black slaves is also where a lot of names (Tyrone is Irish), food (fried foods were Scottish for field workers because the coating held well over time), and social practices (anti-reading, porch lazing, slight culture) were all Scot Irish traits that the New England culture despised.
and social practices (anti-reading, porch lazing, slight culture) were all Scot Irish traits that the New England culture despised.
Pure civil war propaganda. There needs to be a de-yankification of the US culture. Those are lies created by cafe-sitting coffee swilling stockbrokers, bankers and, merchants that have never worked a day in their lives, to feel better about genociding white straight southern males. And they have especially never worked outside in 95 degree weather with 80%+ humididty. You simply cannot work outside like that day in and day out without sitting in the shade in the hottest parts of the day. If you try, you WILL die of heat stroke.
It's especially telling that Africa and the middle east have honor killings without Scottish influence, but somehow as soon as a negro touches American soil, it's the Celts fault. Fuck off with that shit. Negros are Negros.
Sowell is a bane of American culture. There is no such thing as a former communist.
It’s not. It was repeatedly shown back to Ireland and Scotland, sorry to burst your bubble. Social infighting over social status dates back to the Celts including maiming the losers. Maybe, just maybe try reading before defending trash cultures
They're seriously trying to claim fucking techno? I mean I know Germany's been blacked now, but Techno was originally the realm of the whitest German nerds.
I always considered Kraftwerk to be the Godfathers of Techno. I know early 80s had techno out of Detroit but I always considered Kraftwerk to be the founders
Yeah, Detroit popularized the name, but Kraftwerk had already invented the form. Something the early Detroit artists themselves recognized even if the historical revisionists don't.
Yep. I love early techno and “electric funk” and it was through them that I looked up Kraftwerk because a lot of early techno artists cited them and the song Planet Rock samples Trans Europe Express and Numbers. Made me go out and buy (now downloaded) all the Kraftwerk albums
I have that album. I first learned about him because I love disco and saw his name attached to Donna Summer's music and looked up his other work. Definitely a major innovator.
There has been a lot of talented black musicians but playing music doesn't make you the "inventor" anymore than flipping burgers makes you Ronald McDonald.
I am a talentless hack that was taught to rely on my skin color to get ahead in life at a young age, so I must point to people who have no relation to me for validation.
I made the mistake of saying that Rock has roots in a variety of genres. I learned never to debate with people of this mindset. Also says something about the mindset. If you are confident in who you are you don’t need to highlight every little thing. Also, a lot of music has roots in multiple genres or multiple influences
Everything comes from technological advancements that enable ways to produce music in new ways
It just so happens that the places with the most technological advancement are White or Asian as I don't see Black or Arab dominated areas making computer advancements...
For the sake of argument, I will accept their premise as true. And then demand to know why we put up with “Black Culture” when it has been such a net drain on society.
And that includes the detriment it has been to black people. Blame fatherlessness on white poeple all you want but it’s not whites who wrote those lyrics.
Jazz, blues, rock and roll are the only legitimate genres in this list. Everything else is derived from these and represents not a creative improvement, but a degradation of the original forms.
Blues came from classical, Jazz came from orchestral, rock & roll also classical, everything else is low IQ garbage where staccato and heavy repetition take away the ability to think.
Blues is a mix of of field hollers, ballads, etc I thought. I think a very simplified breakdown of rock would be blues/R&B having a baby with country music. I didn’t realize how much of an influence classical had til I was in my 20s and started listening to it regularly. My mom would try to get us to listen to classical growing up but I didn’t want to because rap was so much cooler to me then. She knew what she was talking about. Plus looney tunes exposes you to a lot of classical as a kid
Jazz/ Rock/ Blues all have their musical roots in European classical/ orchestral music. Bards were Celtic minstrel poets who came up with the small group to single person “orchestra” which is now called the modern band and the older term for band was much larger. Black slaves took European instruments and lyrical styles and innovated with them to create the sounds we see in jazz and blues.
No arguments. So they took their field hollers and applied them to a European music scale so to speak. One of my favorite old blues song is Gallows Pole by Leadbelly which was redone by Led Zeppelin. The song traces back to a Scottish ballad. That’s what got me interested in looking into more roots of music.
A lot of blues has its roots in Irish and Scottish ballads, the chaotic rhythms seen in jazz can also be seen in Irish jigs. The intermingling of those cultures with black slaves is also where a lot of names (Tyrone is Irish), food (fried foods were Scottish for field workers because the coating held well over time), and social practices (anti-reading, porch lazing, slight culture) were all Scot Irish traits that the New England culture despised.
Also, frying food is Energy Boosting 101. Take a cheap piece of food, coat it with breading, fry it in oil/tallow/lard. Instant calorie increase.
That’s why scotch eggs were popular, eggs have always been a cheaper protein, throw some sausage on and deep fry and you have farm work fuel for cheap
Sowell wrote about that in Black Rednecks. At least that’s when I first learned
Pure civil war propaganda. There needs to be a de-yankification of the US culture. Those are lies created by cafe-sitting coffee swilling stockbrokers, bankers and, merchants that have never worked a day in their lives, to feel better about genociding white straight southern males. And they have especially never worked outside in 95 degree weather with 80%+ humididty. You simply cannot work outside like that day in and day out without sitting in the shade in the hottest parts of the day. If you try, you WILL die of heat stroke.
It's especially telling that Africa and the middle east have honor killings without Scottish influence, but somehow as soon as a negro touches American soil, it's the Celts fault. Fuck off with that shit. Negros are Negros.
Sowell is a bane of American culture. There is no such thing as a former communist.
It’s not. It was repeatedly shown back to Ireland and Scotland, sorry to burst your bubble. Social infighting over social status dates back to the Celts including maiming the losers. Maybe, just maybe try reading before defending trash cultures
Meanwhile: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duels_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_duels
There were more duels in Maryland than in the whole of the south. And it was the English that formalized pistol dueling.
Two thirds of those are basically the same thing anyway.
This. Thankyou
You could fit all of them into three basic categories: Rock, Soul and Techno.
And they'd still be wrong.
They're seriously trying to claim fucking techno? I mean I know Germany's been blacked now, but Techno was originally the realm of the whitest German nerds.
I always considered Kraftwerk to be the Godfathers of Techno. I know early 80s had techno out of Detroit but I always considered Kraftwerk to be the founders
Yeah, Detroit popularized the name, but Kraftwerk had already invented the form. Something the early Detroit artists themselves recognized even if the historical revisionists don't.
Yep. I love early techno and “electric funk” and it was through them that I looked up Kraftwerk because a lot of early techno artists cited them and the song Planet Rock samples Trans Europe Express and Numbers. Made me go out and buy (now downloaded) all the Kraftwerk albums
I saw them in one of their last ever live shows.
Moroder started it
He is awesome as well. Learned about him through Donna Summer
https://open.spotify.com/track/0oks4FnzhNp5QPTZtoet7c?si=e7a10e528076491a
I have that album. I first learned about him because I love disco and saw his name attached to Donna Summer's music and looked up his other work. Definitely a major innovator.
It's probably Daft Punk's best Album. My fave is Motherboard
Great album I love how they pay homage to their influences. Also love how they have Nile Rodgers on Get Lucky.
Seeing as one of the major tech heads for techno was a trans weirdo, I look forward to this fight.
Or, to trace it back on the tech side, Moog and Kingsley are huwyte.
There has been a lot of talented black musicians but playing music doesn't make you the "inventor" anymore than flipping burgers makes you Ronald McDonald.
Amen to this.
We wuz kangz n sheet.
Not after all the Kangs wuz arrested for assault and battery
Most good music has roots in classical music. The rest is generally shit. Booming bass while mumbling sexual content does not equal music.
I am ready to burn down the music industry in order to purge that from society.
Someone community notes that shit.
OP would need to be less of .jpg posting faggot for that.
Good point. Here I did OP's work for him: https://twitter.com/634luvsic/status/1743710675472388151
I made the mistake of saying that Rock has roots in a variety of genres. I learned never to debate with people of this mindset. Also says something about the mindset. If you are confident in who you are you don’t need to highlight every little thing. Also, a lot of music has roots in multiple genres or multiple influences
Everything comes from technological advancements that enable ways to produce music in new ways
It just so happens that the places with the most technological advancement are White or Asian as I don't see Black or Arab dominated areas making computer advancements...
blacks can literally do and invent literally everything but apparently cannot create a functioning society.
Didn't even invent the wheel
I would argue the Bill Burr discussion about Jazz.
Sure Jazz is great, but it was beaten into you, and then sung out.
Hmm...
I wonder: where did the electricity and all the musical instruments come from? 🤔
For the sake of argument, I will accept their premise as true. And then demand to know why we put up with “Black Culture” when it has been such a net drain on society.
And that includes the detriment it has been to black people. Blame fatherlessness on white poeple all you want but it’s not whites who wrote those lyrics.
Giorgio Moroder would have something to say about that.
Jazz, blues, rock and roll are the only legitimate genres in this list. Everything else is derived from these and represents not a creative improvement, but a degradation of the original forms.
Even if it's true, and I've been told this "fact" so many times... I assure you I'll never bother to remember, because I don't fucking care.
It's current year, the coloured people created literally everything. But the vast majority of Africa is still a shithole.