Someday in the future lefty Utopia
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Wait, are we sure this is lefty utopia? This is talking about self-sufficiency of growing our own, having more direct purchases from farmers and not being reliant on corporate conglomerates for sustenance.
This sounds like a RIGHT utopia as I would kill to have space and time for a vegetable and fruit garden and my own beehive. Hell while we at it, give some chickens too. This would be hell for leftists as the more self-sufficient you are, the less likely you are going to conform to a group as you don't need them to survive.
Hundreds of thousands already do this, and as far as I can tell the small truck-patch farmer with a sideline of raising chickens is still doing pretty well.
In some major cities downtown farmers' markets do exceptionally well because they can jack their prices up, and city-bred-and-bound yuppies can't tell and don't care.
Given we are over 7 billion Humans now
It's not our job to feed 7 billion people
Never said it was, just that we should have in the million range of people even growing their own herbs which is the stage I'm at.
Doing any little measure for some self reliance should be all our goals.
Fun little statistic, if you ripped up half of the yard grass and half of the horse farms in the U.S. and turned them into no-till farm land, you would double the U.S. agricultural output, and halve our CO2 emissions.
I don't believe this for a second. It sounds like typical anti-single-family-home-with-decent-yard nonsense.
It's got to be making extremely generous assumptions about yields and what could be realistically be grown in the climate. A lot of yards also have trees or other shade features that aren't great for gardens. Are we supposed to cut those down while we're at it?
There are no solutions. Only trade-offs.
Remind us what exactly happened with solar roadways?
I know they were a brief meme several years ago, and that stupid Kickstarter.
Never seemed feasible to me. The hardest glass in the world is used on smartphone screens. It could never hold a car, let alone hundreds.
And who's going to harvest? Individuals are going to spend half a day by hand picking what grew on their land? With modern mechanized harvesting half a day could do 50+ acres easy. How much losses will be had because they are unable to use pesticides? They'll turn into weed seed beds in just a few seasons because herbicides are banned too.
It would only work with government forcing people to do it and stealing that excess production to make it worth enforcing the directives.
I keep forgetting that most people here are city dwelling Eloi. Go read up on no-till and the side effects of all those "wunderbar" agri chemicals. The protection Bayer and Monsanto have against lawsuits resulting from "proper" use of their products makes all the clot shot makers look like mom and pop LLCs.
Most of the food you eat in a year, shy the grains and grain derivatives, could be grown in your yard without touching the trees. If you live in South Florida or Hawaii, you could even grow your own tropical fruit.
Real life isn't a survival game where you have to hunt to find a single piece of fruit, it's a race to harvest what is coming in before it spoils.
The reason why our current industrial agriculture requires so much space is because big ag loves them corn and soy subsidies, and because industrial agriculture requires enough space too drive a million dollar John Deere through.
The reason current agriculture requires so much space is because you wildly underestimate how much space is needed to support a family for a year. A typical farmer in preindustrial areas would farm something like 2-4 acres in order to subsist. Not to generate a profit, not to support multiple families. That's just keeping himself and his family alive through to the next season with a very very small surplus left over for sale, barter and storage.
1 acre = 4000 m^2. So that farmer was farming between 8 and 16 THOUSAND m^2 and he did it all without chemicals--he tilled because tilling increased yields. he grew grains because they could be stored, he ate meat because it could be preserved. And all of this was backbreaking, horrible labour. All of this just to break even. Prior to the industrial revolution, the vast majority of the population lived rurally because they couldn't generate the food necessary to sustain large cities. People had to feed themselves off of large plots of land because large plots of land is what is necessary to grow enough food to feed a person for a whole year.
Little suburban veggie plots of a fun hobby, not a serious method of feeding a population.
Yes, modern small gardeners use medieval methods to farm, because there has been no advancement in technology, yield or sustainability.
Currently, using organic methods, you could raise all of the vegetables and grains for a family of 4 on an acre. Welcome to the 21st century.
Once again, I am a fucking farmer. You are literally trying to tell someone who has worked the ground from the time he first walked what agriculture is like. It's actually kinda hilarious.
That's a bold proclamation. How much acreage do you think the average person has? And how many people are living, on average, on that acreage?
I assume the average suburbanite has access to 200 square feet. But, dunno, I am only a guy who's researched the issue, you seem to know so much fucking more than I do, right?
There’s a YouTube channel called epic gardening that did this
I’m sure there are others, but that’s the biggest one I know
The hardest part of gardening is what to do with all your produce. You really have to learn about canning, preserving, etc.
Gardening takes a lot more time and money than people think. But I love it and do it yearly
Love watching his channel, and I am reading a book he recommended (How to become a gardener) right now.
I grew up on a farm, and I am trying to return what is left to operation and profit. My current problem is how to generate 20+ cubic yards of organic compost a year.
Even if that were true, are we going to legislate the Sun itself to add 4-6 hours to the day to give people the time to work and harvest that?
Because that's why things ended up moving away from that in the first place. Once you had to go to work instead of working around your own home and land, you no longer had the time to care for your own land while also having a family and time for any leisure.
I work 40 hours a week, I literally own a farm, and I still have time for leisure. I just don't live in Eloi-ville where it takes me half a day to get to and from work because I am sharing the road with all the other Eloi.
My entire daily routine for taking care of two acres of fields, another acre of orchard, couple dozen chickens and a couple of pigs takes less than an hour a day. When the last pumpkins get ripe and the sweet potatoes mature, I will have to spend about an hour a day hauling them to the storage shed.
The modern concept of farming as subsistence labor hasn't been true in the Western world for a long time.
Well I'll just let all the rest of America know that we need to rip up our acres of lawn that we all have so that way we can accomplish the same tasks you do with your already established and running farmland.
I'm sure tomorrow if I went outside and just threw some seeds in the ground and put up a fence, I'd have a sub hour hobby that provided plants to eat within the season and animals with minimal care or investment to put in.
Or, instead of speaking authoritatively about a subject you don't know much about, you could do some research. Joel Salatin, David Goodman, Steve Solomon, and Kevin Espiritu are great starters.
You could, right now, lay down some newspaper and some store bought compost and grow some winter vegetables (your local extension office will have details for what varieties are best for the area).
Or, you could keep financing companies that hate you and have openly talked about the fact that they don't care about food quality, just their bottom line.
I'd throw in golf courses.
Shhh, people here are already upset about the idea of turning their yards into gardens, if you start talking about turning unprofitable Stickball Fields into gardens, whoo lad.
Yeah, that's a charitable way to interpret people saying, "I don't have time or acreage to do that."
Not amount of reading Joel Salatin, David Goodman, Steve Solomon, or Kevin Espiritu will give people arable land on which to grow food.
Protip, if you can grow grass, you can grow food crops. Guess what most food crops are? gasp Grasses (corn, rye, wheat) and naturalized ground covers (peas, beans, peanuts, soy).
No man, don't you see. With literally minutes a day, you can have a fully functional garden to fully supplant your vegetable purchasing. Its not an infomercial, its his literal life!!
I was thinking of the US.
When they complained about it being illegal to grow your own produce I knew it wasn't a leftist. Leftists don't dare criticize laws or government overreach unless it's a distinctly right wing government making it illegal to groom children.
At worst, this could be a reasonable person who's been tricked into thinking communism is what they want even though it's actually the opposite. Being reasonable, they'll figure it out when they grow up.
That's leftist tactic number 1, vaguely define something so that so many people are counted as part of the group and claim a false majority. They've done that with everything from environment, abortion, education, immigration, the list goes on..
I don't agree at all, making up laws in their heads and pretending they're real is a very leftist thing to do.
Its a lefty utopia because its just general feel good and "suburbia bad" whining without any understanding of why things ended up that way, the consequences of stopping it, and literally no solution offered other than "do better, fix it!!"
There are places where the Left and Right come to the same "its a problem" and even "here is the best endgoal" but the path to it and reason they tread it are miles apart.
Cities were designed without a bunch of uh zombies walking around them. Nobody wants to live in close proximity under diversity. IRL people are fleeing cities and suburbs.
It's definitely a lefty in the post. Lefties hate big agricultural companies and like the "fair trade" marketing nonsense. There just happens to be overlap in some ways between leftist environmentalists, and the righty self-sufficient crowd. Same with "GMOs are poison", there's plenty of people on both sides that believe that.
you're doing it for freedom from a system that increasingly shows how much they hate you, and abuses power/corruption to steal from you. the more you detach from them, the less they can steal.
when you talk about leftist utopias, you're talking about the ideals of the 1960s/1970s hippie communes that did it for nebulous claims that if you do all veggies/fruits yourself, it's somehow more efficient than a factory farm which has direct profit incentives to milk every penny of efficiency.
this isn't modern leftism. modern leftists would say the government banning local food production is for your safety... because THEY don't know how to grow a strawberry safely, no one is allowed to do so.
Meanwhile in reality: they'll live in pods and eat their daily allowance of insect paste.
Haha every lefty I've heard go on about hating grass and wanting stuff for bees and butterflies is just code words for "I'm one lazy piece of shit who can't be bothered to do anything to my yard." They aren't curating a bee habitat or growing fruit or any of that. It's just let whatever the hell was out there grow so uncontrollably that it's covering the sidewalk and pouring into the street.
That's what the "natural flora" movement always is.
Because anytime you see one of those lawns, its an overgrown hell pit you can barely walk through, get zero sun through, and is infested with bugs and likely small animals.
You know, the things we got rid of those things for and why the effort was worth it. But its easier to just let nature kill you than mow your fucking grass sometimes.
I personally like tall grass, because it's pleasant. Even then I'm careful about it going to seed.
In this future, almost everyone else has died, to permit this idyllic lifestyle, but that's OK, because they died for "progress"
I read this as "SODOMY in the future lefty Utopia."
I am pleasantly disappointed.
it's not like you can't drag your brats to a farmer's market now. Do all these fuckers live in gigantic cities?
Edit/PS: The implication is right--the supermarket that sells produce from around the world is doomed to collapse, and we will revert to the tried and true, something that has become exotic in the minds of those who can't see outside the city limits of their urban shitholes--"grown locally and sustainably" and "free-range."
We've already seen their best attempt at their utopia and it will be EXACTLY as pathetic as the CHAZ/CHOP garden.
Meanwhile, here in the real world, most ranches near me own their own brick and mortar stores where they will sell their own milk and meat, and the price is usually competitive with supermarket prices.
I had similar thoughts.
growing your own food is based
Yeah, and the faggot who typed that post hasn't grown a single cell in xis entire godforsaken life.
(I mean on purpose. Mold doesn't count.)
Haven't even left the house since covid
It all sounds very nice until the leftist sees the actual work involved in creating something like a functioning, well-furnished, and profitable homestead.
Some might stick to it, which very few do, and evolve an appreciation for those who've lived rural for generations up to this point who usually happen to lean right.
"Grammy, what's an avacado?" Grammy turned bright red, her nostrils flared and the veins in her forehead bulged as she began throwing whatever small items were on hand at Grampy. "It wasn't me this time!" Grampy said as he raised an arm to shield himself while doubled over in a fit of laughter.
At no point in my family history going back 3 generations was there ever this mythical bare poisoned land with only short-cut grass.
They either lived on a farm with a hundred+ species of weeds and flowers growing in pastures, or lived in the town with usually one or several trees in the yard.
Crops were weeded by hand ( roundup wasen't a thing back then ) but pesticides were sometimes used on the crops, not wastefully sprayed all over the place for no reason.
Family that didn't grow flowers, their grass wasen't sprayed with poisons, ever, because they didn't care further than keeping the stuff growing short.
Those that grew flowers had, well, flowers, not a bare ''grass desert''. Use of pesticides wasen't consistent so vulnerable cultivars died instead of recieving sprays, replaced by resistant cultivars.
I can still see blooms from hardy roses planted before I was born.
And still don't give a fuck when dandelions turn the front yard bright yellow.
I put down turf for my dog, and the rest of my backyard is garden (the dog plays in the turf, craps in the garden, lol). So I don't have to like worship the grass.
I do have to allow the front of my property to be maintained as grass, but that's some other guy's problem as he does the whole neighborhood.
Every single one of their visions of the past come from their loser aunt whining about the 1950s upper-middle class WASP/Jewish suburb they lived in.
Not going to waste my time commenting on every bit of lunacy here, but this specific one stood out to me:
Almost exclusively a problem caused by the overreach of busy body bureaucrats and Karens. Can't grow your own food, that might be an eyesore! Can't keep chickens, what if they're loud??? In what world is this a problem caused by the so-called right wing that they prop up as the cause of all their problems?
Portland has walking vests for chickens. Portland places all problems on the feet of the right.
The fact that roosters are loud and scream all night must be a right wing conspiracy or something.