Hmmm. If profitability is the issue, why did you blanket ban one of the (if not the) most popular subs a few years back? And why are you actively helping moderators chase half the population off your subreddit for wrongthink?
They can fudge the user numbers so that barely matters. They were caught providing numbers to advertisers that didnt match up to info provided to users.
When it comes to the actual material hosted on the site, it is either compliant with globohomo or it isnt. There is no fudging it. Even if a shill wrote it, it's there, it's "real", and the metric Reddit has tended to in order to survive globohomo is such material's prevalence over genuine user material i.e. wrongthink
why would you build an app entirely in someone else's ecosystem, expecting it to last forever?
both twitter and google have done shit like this before, but they didn't even offer up the developers the option to pay... they just shut everything down.
They are imaging this is going to work like their little tantrum worked to ban the anti covid lockdown measures subs like r/noNewNormal. What they don't realize is that, there, the situation was completely different.
In that situation, the admins already wanted to ban those subs, but didn't want to take the PR hit of doing it outright. Thus, they released that disgusting bullshit about how they weren't going to ban them because "Reddit values freedom of speech! HurRrrrrRRR!!!1!" Then, predictably, there was mysteriously this super "organic" sub/site shutdown by power-jannies, and then the admins - so impressed by the unity of the site - reversed their decision, and banned the wrong think subs.
So, anyway, that stuff only works when the admins already really want to do what your little "movement" wants to "make them" do. Here? Nah. What they want this time is to force every person into using their stupid ass mobile app (so they have easier access to your data, and it makes it harder for you to leave the site/their control).
They might make some tiny concession in the interest of PR (a concession they were most likely already planning on making, but were holding off to give the appearance of them "listening"), but that's probably as far as they go.
In a way, it's a little bit nice long term. Some of the most power-condensed enemies of ours have been playing the game with the equivalent of giving the slow kid the hose in a water gun fight and the parents made sure you have to play where the hose can reach. Once the water bills come in and that stops being allowed, how well can the kid adapt.
No, you fool, surely you know the way to make your boycott or strike effective is to… um… say in advance when you’ll come back, regardless of whether the target accedes to your demands…?
Being that oblivious should result in brain hemorrhages. When you actively censor and bully anyone who does not agree with the fascist left and tranny mafia... DUH, you won't be profitable. The leftist perverts aren't going to make you profitable any more than normal people. The way forward is to support actual free speech, even if it hurts the fee-fee's of the mentally ill.
The unpaid bots effectively squatting? Sure. The paid for bots, part of the marketing firms that pay Reddit? No.
The API change is simply Reddit shaking off the louse that are the freeloaders. That's most of the site and the real content that draws so many people. I think it's a piss poor way to increase monetization, but wtf do I care? I can't wait until Reddit no longer exists.
We all know that free discussion on the net drawing to an end. For most of us it drew to an end around 2014.
Their Chinese masters certainly help subsidize it, but I suspect the ads carry the bulk of the responsibility for whatever they bring in. With a very simple ad-blocking setup you won't see any ads at all. They probably spend more time and money figuring out ways to track people evading account bans than they make in ad revenue! I suspect their masters were only willing to let reddit drain money as long as it had some certain level of usefulness pushing the fascist neo-marxist and sexually perverted messaging for the mentally diseased trans and gay crowd.
Part of me is sad that quality documentation is going to be memory holed by enough subreddits staying dark after the 14th instead of restricting submissions, and bandwagoning dolts erasing their accounts so they can feel like they're hurting Reddit's profits. The other part thinks this is a karmic lesson in tolerating a centralized platform with knowledge, along with technical and business design decisions that encourage L.C.D behavior (a.k.a another Eternal September). Plus, whats with the lack of permanent archiving from when pushshift.io was functioning?
I opened the torrent to download of handful piracy archives, aka the only thing of value on that platform (small hyperbole), in case they inevitably get shuttered one day.
Not that there's anything worth pirating in the 1st place these days, but it's information that needs to be kept alive.
Thanks. That's more inconvenient than a pushshift front-end, but that's a minor nitpick to having valuable data feasibly salvaged. I'll just have to accept that more comments I've saved are gonna be lost sooner than I would have liked.
More like you honestly don’t understand how much of the site is spam bots and porn, and having to do that manually instead of having automoderator do it is gonna be absolute ass because of the sheer amount.
They don't have to it manually. They don't have to do anything at all. Yet they'll keep doing it, because a desire to "clean up the site" of spam bots and porn isn't why jannies do what they do. They do it for free.
Its because some of them treat it like a job. With all the crying about how much work they have to do and self importance that they are some arbiters of truth and justice.
For something they literally volunteer for, and for many put in more work than actual employees of the website to keep it running.
That's true. I'd be happy to help flag spam posts if that's what they need (to the extent that I use reddit at all). They concentrate the power in a few hands when there's millions of users sometimes. That's not due to a lack of manpower.
having to do that manually instead of having automoderator do it is gonna be absolute ass because of the sheer amount.
Good. The amount of damage that has been done to society by giving the radical left this amount of control (not just reddit, but all the major sites) over the public's discourse is disgusting.
the jannies are pissed because it's a group of powermods organized from a discord server, and they run mass censorship of everything. especially on default subs, you can't actually post a comment visibly without it being approved and your account approved. might be wrongthink in your comment.
all of that power is disappearing overnight unless they start paying reddit, so of course they're mad.
Will be entertaining to see how long they try to keep it going. I've seen a few saying that they plan to keep dark as long as possible until admits cave. The alternative subs that pop up will probably ruin that. Lol
I expect that, if they actually stick with that (and don't roll over and take it as usual), the admins will just pick a couple of the bigger (non-compliant) subreddits to do a hostile takeover, and that'll scare the rest into capitulating.
Hmmm. If profitability is the issue, why did you blanket ban one of the (if not the) most popular subs a few years back? And why are you actively helping moderators chase half the population off your subreddit for wrongthink?
They were getting funding contingent on being an effective propaganda tool.
They can fudge the user numbers so that barely matters. They were caught providing numbers to advertisers that didnt match up to info provided to users.
When it comes to the actual material hosted on the site, it is either compliant with globohomo or it isnt. There is no fudging it. Even if a shill wrote it, it's there, it's "real", and the metric Reddit has tended to in order to survive globohomo is such material's prevalence over genuine user material i.e. wrongthink
Did the Redditors really thing what amounts to virtue signaling would really work? LOL.
reddit mods and thinking? What are you, a nazi?
I mean it worked before the last time they all took themselves offline to protest The Donald existing.
did anyone not see this coming?
why would you build an app entirely in someone else's ecosystem, expecting it to last forever?
both twitter and google have done shit like this before, but they didn't even offer up the developers the option to pay... they just shut everything down.
Like Firefox/Chrome add-ons?
Reddit is just butthurt that they can't figure out monetization.
They are imaging this is going to work like their little tantrum worked to ban the anti covid lockdown measures subs like r/noNewNormal. What they don't realize is that, there, the situation was completely different.
In that situation, the admins already wanted to ban those subs, but didn't want to take the PR hit of doing it outright. Thus, they released that disgusting bullshit about how they weren't going to ban them because "Reddit values freedom of speech! HurRrrrrRRR!!!1!" Then, predictably, there was mysteriously this super "organic" sub/site shutdown by power-jannies, and then the admins - so impressed by the unity of the site - reversed their decision, and banned the wrong think subs.
So, anyway, that stuff only works when the admins already really want to do what your little "movement" wants to "make them" do. Here? Nah. What they want this time is to force every person into using their stupid ass mobile app (so they have easier access to your data, and it makes it harder for you to leave the site/their control).
They might make some tiny concession in the interest of PR (a concession they were most likely already planning on making, but were holding off to give the appearance of them "listening"), but that's probably as far as they go.
In a way, it's a little bit nice long term. Some of the most power-condensed enemies of ours have been playing the game with the equivalent of giving the slow kid the hose in a water gun fight and the parents made sure you have to play where the hose can reach. Once the water bills come in and that stops being allowed, how well can the kid adapt.
No, you fool, surely you know the way to make your boycott or strike effective is to… um… say in advance when you’ll come back, regardless of whether the target accedes to your demands…?
I hate Reddit, but I hate Redditors even more. This has been hilarious to watch.
Let the site die
Good news for once!
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Being that oblivious should result in brain hemorrhages. When you actively censor and bully anyone who does not agree with the fascist left and tranny mafia... DUH, you won't be profitable. The leftist perverts aren't going to make you profitable any more than normal people. The way forward is to support actual free speech, even if it hurts the fee-fee's of the mentally ill.
Buhbye reddit. You won't be missed.
“Going dark” just checked Apollo my front page is mostly the same. So very few participated apparently.
Wonder if this will help the bot problem.
The unpaid bots effectively squatting? Sure. The paid for bots, part of the marketing firms that pay Reddit? No.
The API change is simply Reddit shaking off the louse that are the freeloaders. That's most of the site and the real content that draws so many people. I think it's a piss poor way to increase monetization, but wtf do I care? I can't wait until Reddit no longer exists.
We all know that free discussion on the net drawing to an end. For most of us it drew to an end around 2014.
So how does Reddit actually earn revenue? Ads? Paid AMAs? Paid native marketing?
Their Chinese masters certainly help subsidize it, but I suspect the ads carry the bulk of the responsibility for whatever they bring in. With a very simple ad-blocking setup you won't see any ads at all. They probably spend more time and money figuring out ways to track people evading account bans than they make in ad revenue! I suspect their masters were only willing to let reddit drain money as long as it had some certain level of usefulness pushing the fascist neo-marxist and sexually perverted messaging for the mentally diseased trans and gay crowd.
I think the bulk of their cash is from investors, but they make money from ads, selling reddit gold, and selling their dumb-as-fuck avatar NFTs.
Another question is: what are their costs?
They don't pay mods, they don't host files, they don't even have people developing profitable ad-ons (as these third party apps are, apparently).
They host text and pay a handful of people to keep the site from crashing. How much do they actually need?
My guess would be like most tech companies over there they've picked up a lot of dead weight.
They need to pay server costs somehow, though. People not looking at ads is gonna keep them from doing that.
Good point. They do host a lot of pictures and video though. People have moved away from linking to imgur.
Probably not, reddit likes the bots.
I only ever visited one subreddit once a week for video game info. I'll just get release dates and other quick info like that somewhere else.
Same. I think gamefaq forums are still well and open
I feel like the CEO coming out and saying "we don't make any money" is bad for a company that's trying to IPO.
Part of me is sad that quality documentation is going to be memory holed by enough subreddits staying dark after the 14th instead of restricting submissions, and bandwagoning dolts erasing their accounts so they can feel like they're hurting Reddit's profits. The other part thinks this is a karmic lesson in tolerating a centralized platform with knowledge, along with technical and business design decisions that encourage L.C.D behavior (a.k.a another Eternal September). Plus, whats with the lack of permanent archiving from when pushshift.io was functioning?
There's a dump here of Top 20K subs - https://archive.is/izNHS | https://old.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/11ef9if/separate_dump_files_for_the_top_20k_subreddits/
I opened the torrent to download of handful piracy archives, aka the only thing of value on that platform (small hyperbole), in case they inevitably get shuttered one day.
Not that there's anything worth pirating in the 1st place these days, but it's information that needs to be kept alive.
Thanks. That's more inconvenient than a pushshift front-end, but that's a minor nitpick to having valuable data feasibly salvaged. I'll just have to accept that more comments I've saved are gonna be lost sooner than I would have liked.
They made half a billion dollars in just advertising in 2021 and they're still unprofitable? Sounds like a skill issue.
Oh noes, they might have to actually do some work for the job they volunteered for!
More like you honestly don’t understand how much of the site is spam bots and porn, and having to do that manually instead of having automoderator do it is gonna be absolute ass because of the sheer amount.
They don't have to it manually. They don't have to do anything at all. Yet they'll keep doing it, because a desire to "clean up the site" of spam bots and porn isn't why jannies do what they do. They do it for free.
I never understood the phrase "They do it for free."
Don't we all?
Don't we all research, reveal and mock without seeking financial compensation?
Not defending Reddit mods here, I just don't understand why that phrase is supposed to be bad.
Its because some of them treat it like a job. With all the crying about how much work they have to do and self importance that they are some arbiters of truth and justice.
For something they literally volunteer for, and for many put in more work than actual employees of the website to keep it running.
That's true. I'd be happy to help flag spam posts if that's what they need (to the extent that I use reddit at all). They concentrate the power in a few hands when there's millions of users sometimes. That's not due to a lack of manpower.
The powermods aren't doing what they do for free. reddit may not be paying them, but someone is.
Automod is a native Reddit feature. API changes don't affect it.
Good. The amount of damage that has been done to society by giving the radical left this amount of control (not just reddit, but all the major sites) over the public's discourse is disgusting.
the jannies are pissed because it's a group of powermods organized from a discord server, and they run mass censorship of everything. especially on default subs, you can't actually post a comment visibly without it being approved and your account approved. might be wrongthink in your comment.
all of that power is disappearing overnight unless they start paying reddit, so of course they're mad.
Ah ok, now I understand.
Thank you for such a succinct summary.
I'm tempted to dig out my old reddit account and just hassle the mods by requesting to join all kinds of private subs :D
They probably have automod set to reject all requests.
Will be entertaining to see how long they try to keep it going. I've seen a few saying that they plan to keep dark as long as possible until admits cave. The alternative subs that pop up will probably ruin that. Lol
I expect that, if they actually stick with that (and don't roll over and take it as usual), the admins will just pick a couple of the bigger (non-compliant) subreddits to do a hostile takeover, and that'll scare the rest into capitulating.
I'm actually kind of salty about some of the IT subs going dark because it cuts off relevant research resources when troubleshooting technical issues.