I do in fact specifically have a problem with Ariel being black actually. Additionally all of those live action versions are absolute shit. Fuck Burton Alice in Wonderland specifically.
The fired all the 2D animators in 2011 I think. Only one is left. He is the only person allowed to design or color anything for animated characters at theme parks or posters.
Worse even. Disney SOLD all their equipment. The stuff magic was drawn on got sold. They not only would need to train up a new division but also buy new equipment, too.
It's the ONE thing I will always rant about. I loved Disney growing up, I still love the old movies but the thing I loved died and now someone is wearing its skin.
The "do good shit to earn money while inserting subliminal propaganda when possible" phase is over. Now it's "indoctrinate as many people as possible even if it's losing money" phase.
Burton obviously has a visual talent. But doesn't want to do his own stories. It's kind of a shame because it ends up with him basically ruining animated stuff vs enhancing whatever original story he could get the rights to.
Hahaha, I like how for Maleficent they had to write "not green" on it, since it's actually so close. Also, it's all lighting, anyway. From image searching, it looks like the animated version is more gray, maybe with a bit of greenish tint, but looks much greener if there's green magic fire in the scene. There's plenty of scenes where the live action version looks grey, as well as green when using green fire.
But, as someone else said, it doesn't really matter anyway, since people did have problems with all of those. It's just not as blatant as a race swap.
Wow that is such a weak argument. Also keep in mind that this is like the 2000th race swap in the last few years and people are sick and tired of it. I have a feeling she would be upset if they made all the villains black.
I do. She's not black in the original, so she shouldn't be black now. It's not rocket science. Only in America would this even be a discussion.
I make exceptions for when a story is produced in a wholly black country. I think there was a Ghanian production of the Iliad, where Achilles was... black. I actually think it's pretty cool if they make productions of the Iliad in Ghana.
Old white woman is closer to middle-aged white woman than white woman is to black woman.
Helena Bonham Carter will be an old woman one day. Alien-face black girl with eyes 2 miles apart? She won't ever become a ginger.
Because Hollywood hasn't got a problem making whitey the villain, especially if they are Russian or British (which I can forgive, Russians and British know how to play the bad guy or more on the British side, the double agent good guy)
But anyone in a positive role, got to be a minority. Which is funny as it's subconsciously assuming minorities don't have the intellect and cunning to be an effective villain.
Nobody called Tim Burton's Alice accurate. Iirc the red Queen's portrayal was meme'd for a reason. Maleficent was a joke too. Cinderella was bland at best
None of those other design changes were made for hypocritical leftist political reasons.
I'll concede that the raceswapping of Ariel isn't that bad on its own (shitty CG aside), but the problem is this shit is politically motivated and it only ever goes one way, with the sole exception of Tilda Swinton as The Ancient One, which only happened because Disney cared more about selling the Han ethnostate than they did about acknowledging the existence of the Tibetan people.
Of the three of those I recognize, they were only liked by cringy white girls. Most of them the same woke ass girls that support Black Ariel now. And almost nobody fucking liked the Burton Alice in Wonderland in the slightest.
They both suck, the problem with the colorblind argument is that its pushed by the cucky comicsgate type people who are too scared to take a stance on race, so they just reframe it as "bad writing" to avoid being called "racist"
Alice in Wonderland wasn’t a “live action remake” in the same sense as the more recent Disney shits, which are just them remaking their own movies but with more “diversity” and an additional feminist song for the lead female, though…? Indeed it was kind of an attempt at a sequel of sorts (edit: to the BOOK, not to the Disney movie specifically), Alice was an adult going back to Wonderland in that one.
But they’re STILL missing the point even if you account for the above, because the actual crux of the argument against is that we know they’re just doing it for attention and woke points. If they randomly made Ariel black in a movie in 2005 you’d get some complaints but it would largely pass unnoticed. More than anything else, it’s the cynicism and transparency of this sort of thing that people are REALLY opposed to, if you reduce it all down to the core of the complaint.
It's not about race, it's about Hollywood's current cult of ugliness. Well, ok, more like plainness, but the point stands. In their change example, we're talking about some of the most charismatic actors ever playing the parts and they're all pleasant to look at.
New ariel is somewhere between plain and freaky. I dunno why am I supposed to spend my cash and my time to look at that. If I want to look at plain, ordinary women I can, I dunno, go outside and gawk, lol.
Are white women disproportionally advocating for feminims? Lion King had Beyoncé, not Disney but there was a Cinderella remake with a latina woman pushing for feminism too. Also, there's the upcoming Snow White LA
All of them are hated for a reason. Brie had a meltdown on camera. Emma knows her peak was Hermione. Emilia Clark tried to meetoo GoT when her character went insane
In one scene, where Drogo “virtually rapes” Daenerys on their wedding night
Which wasn't how the book went.
Clarke recalled how the Aquaman actor made the shoot comfortable for her. “He was crying more than I was,”
Le male ally
said Clarke, who’s starring opposite Henry Golding in next week’s Last Christmas.
The fuck is the relevance of this?
She added, “Because Jason had experience
His experience being a guy on Baywatch who stood around as eye candy.
he was an experienced actor who had done a bunch of stuff before coming on to this
Baywatch and Stargate Atlantis being the most prominent so it's not exactly a prestigious resume.
he was like, ‘Sweetie, this is how it’s meant to be, this is how it’s not meant to be, and I’m going to make sure that that’s the [expletive] gaze.’ He was always like, ‘Can we get her a [expletive] robe? She’s shivering!’ … He was so kind and considerate and cared about me as a human being.”
Again, Le male ally.
Reminder that during GOT when the story circulated about a female character no longer doing nude scenes everyone thought it was about Clarke when it later turned out to be the redhead prostitute that was not only a pointless character already before her sole feature being naked, but was then killed off off screen and nobody really cared.
Never forget GoT turned "not rape" into rape more than once, this being one of the first times.
Another being when Joffrey is lying dead in the tomb and Cersei is so stricken with grief she basically mounts Jaime the second he appears on the page. Not actually that unusual a behaviour for those who suddenly face the death of someone close, even less unusual when it's a mother who has just lost a child and the father appears next to her. That biological urge to replace the now dead investment is stronger than people want to admit.
In the show however Jaime not only instigates but Cersei is actively against it. At first.
That doesn't change the fact they are white and feminist. I always find it funny when people go to bat here for women in Hollywood. They would kill you and steal your organs if the law allowed it. They fucking hate you.
Saying that they are widely hated is going bat for them? My point is that the problem is Disney pushing feminism, despite people voicing their dislike. Now, they are pulling the race card because people got tired of their feminism
And just to be pedantic, technically it wouldn't be stealing if the law allowed it
I wasn't speaking about you specifically. Just in general. I don't understand the eagerness of our side to engage in issues that have nothing to do with us and help people who hate us.
What do you really gain if a white woman plays a character in a shitty feminist movie instead of a black woman?
What do you gain if women's spaces are free of trans people? It won't get women out of ours.
I don't gain anything for having Disney push the Woke agenda. I don't gain anything with troons invading male spaces either, aka Brigdet from Guilty Gear, RE 4,etc. How hard is to think one can be against both?
I do in fact specifically have a problem with Ariel being black actually. Additionally all of those live action versions are absolute shit. Fuck Burton Alice in Wonderland specifically.
The fired all the 2D animators in 2011 I think. Only one is left. He is the only person allowed to design or color anything for animated characters at theme parks or posters.
Worse even. Disney SOLD all their equipment. The stuff magic was drawn on got sold. They not only would need to train up a new division but also buy new equipment, too.
Woah, did they really?
Oh, that explains so much.
I thought they were still pumping out like, mickey n friends morning cartoons or something. But it's all sold? Talk about eating your seed corn.
It's the ONE thing I will always rant about. I loved Disney growing up, I still love the old movies but the thing I loved died and now someone is wearing its skin.
There's no one left at Disney who knows how to do cartoons.
The "do good shit to earn money while inserting subliminal propaganda when possible" phase is over. Now it's "indoctrinate as many people as possible even if it's losing money" phase.
Couldn't agree more. Those fucking movies are an abomination. So is black Jimminy Cricket there with the red hair.
Burton obviously has a visual talent. But doesn't want to do his own stories. It's kind of a shame because it ends up with him basically ruining animated stuff vs enhancing whatever original story he could get the rights to.
The black actress also just said her movie is better than the cartoon.
And she know no matter how bad it is the shill media will carry the water and act like it’s the best movie since citizen Kane
Hahaha, I like how for Maleficent they had to write "not green" on it, since it's actually so close. Also, it's all lighting, anyway. From image searching, it looks like the animated version is more gray, maybe with a bit of greenish tint, but looks much greener if there's green magic fire in the scene. There's plenty of scenes where the live action version looks grey, as well as green when using green fire.
But, as someone else said, it doesn't really matter anyway, since people did have problems with all of those. It's just not as blatant as a race swap.
Oh, they're hopeless. A disgrace to the forces of evil.
I always thought the green was a reflection of her environs on super pale skin, anyways.
Wow that is such a weak argument. Also keep in mind that this is like the 2000th race swap in the last few years and people are sick and tired of it. I have a feeling she would be upset if they made all the villains black.
I'd rather have the villains be my color than cringe troons or effeminate homos.
I do. She's not black in the original, so she shouldn't be black now. It's not rocket science. Only in America would this even be a discussion.
I make exceptions for when a story is produced in a wholly black country. I think there was a Ghanian production of the Iliad, where Achilles was... black. I actually think it's pretty cool if they make productions of the Iliad in Ghana.
Ain't nobody complaining that movies made in Africa use an all black cast. Whoever they are portraying.
When you have white actors available, willing, and you're clearly willing to use them for the bad guys, that's a different thing.
Old white woman is closer to middle-aged white woman than white woman is to black woman.
Helena Bonham Carter will be an old woman one day. Alien-face black girl with eyes 2 miles apart? She won't ever become a ginger.
Because Hollywood hasn't got a problem making whitey the villain, especially if they are Russian or British (which I can forgive, Russians and British know how to play the bad guy or more on the British side, the double agent good guy)
But anyone in a positive role, got to be a minority. Which is funny as it's subconsciously assuming minorities don't have the intellect and cunning to be an effective villain.
For a while, Russia was gonna be our friend and then the villains had to be Jihadis or Norks, lol. Now back to Russians are bad guys.
it's particularly nefarious when blacks are known for being unable to swim and even being aquaphobic.
Good point; while replacing redheads with blacks (Arial, April, Mary Jane), why are they also inserting red hair into villain roles?
Angelina kind of looks like her….. but I hate all of the live action remakes regardless of who is cast as who.
Nobody called Tim Burton's Alice accurate. Iirc the red Queen's portrayal was meme'd for a reason. Maleficent was a joke too. Cinderella was bland at best
None of those other design changes were made for hypocritical leftist political reasons.
I'll concede that the raceswapping of Ariel isn't that bad on its own (shitty CG aside), but the problem is this shit is politically motivated and it only ever goes one way, with the sole exception of Tilda Swinton as The Ancient One, which only happened because Disney cared more about selling the Han ethnostate than they did about acknowledging the existence of the Tibetan people.
They’re all awful but only one is a lazy race swap.
Of the three of those I recognize, they were only liked by cringy white girls. Most of them the same woke ass girls that support Black Ariel now. And almost nobody fucking liked the Burton Alice in Wonderland in the slightest.
Its the weakest argument I've seen about this.
They both suck, the problem with the colorblind argument is that its pushed by the cucky comicsgate type people who are too scared to take a stance on race, so they just reframe it as "bad writing" to avoid being called "racist"
It's funny because most people complained about all of the above except for the red queen who is not the same character as the queen of hearts lmao
Because a stylistic change isn't the same thing as a lazy race swap.
Alice in Wonderland wasn’t a “live action remake” in the same sense as the more recent Disney shits, which are just them remaking their own movies but with more “diversity” and an additional feminist song for the lead female, though…? Indeed it was kind of an attempt at a sequel of sorts (edit: to the BOOK, not to the Disney movie specifically), Alice was an adult going back to Wonderland in that one.
But they’re STILL missing the point even if you account for the above, because the actual crux of the argument against is that we know they’re just doing it for attention and woke points. If they randomly made Ariel black in a movie in 2005 you’d get some complaints but it would largely pass unnoticed. More than anything else, it’s the cynicism and transparency of this sort of thing that people are REALLY opposed to, if you reduce it all down to the core of the complaint.
I call her Nagriel.
It's not about race, it's about Hollywood's current cult of ugliness. Well, ok, more like plainness, but the point stands. In their change example, we're talking about some of the most charismatic actors ever playing the parts and they're all pleasant to look at.
New ariel is somewhere between plain and freaky. I dunno why am I supposed to spend my cash and my time to look at that. If I want to look at plain, ordinary women I can, I dunno, go outside and gawk, lol.
I would rather the character stay white because I like white people better.
I don't care, honestly. Can someone explain what good it would do to have another rich white female actress shilling feminism with her money and fame?
'Can we not talk about race? It's not about race. Also, I hate white women.'
If you list off the major feminist advocates in Hollywood, they are notices pattern disproportionately white.
Just off the top of my head :
Brie Larson (Stated that men have no right to judge her output, that movies aren't made for us)
Emma Watson (Board Member of the Kering Foundation, UN feminist campaigner)
Emilia Clark (Campaigned against "objectification")
Or is pattern recognition only allowed when it suits certain ends?
Worst case, the money still goes to a feminist. I'd prefer a gender flip, so the money doesn't.
Do you look at who you're replying to? Kienan is not one of them.
Not really, changed it.
What's up with you today?
I am slightly drunk after my holdings in Telenet Group got bought out for a huge profit.
It was worth celebrating.
So you're not a mean drunk?
Are white women disproportionally advocating for feminims? Lion King had Beyoncé, not Disney but there was a Cinderella remake with a latina woman pushing for feminism too. Also, there's the upcoming Snow White LA
If you list off the major feminist advocates in Hollywood, they are disproportionately white.
Just off the top of my head :
Brie Larson (Stated that men have no right to judge her output, that movies aren't made for us)
Emma Watson (Board Member of the Kering Foundation, UN feminist campaigner)
Emilia Clark (Campaigned against "objectification")
All of them are hated for a reason. Brie had a meltdown on camera. Emma knows her peak was Hermione. Emilia Clark tried to meetoo GoT when her character went insane
I haven't heard anything about that. What's this about?
This, iirc she said she was fine with nude scenes before, but changed her opinion when her character went insane
https://archive.is/Llt0g
Which wasn't how the book went.
Le male ally
The fuck is the relevance of this?
His experience being a guy on Baywatch who stood around as eye candy.
Baywatch and Stargate Atlantis being the most prominent so it's not exactly a prestigious resume.
Again, Le male ally.
Reminder that during GOT when the story circulated about a female character no longer doing nude scenes everyone thought it was about Clarke when it later turned out to be the redhead prostitute that was not only a pointless character already before her sole feature being naked, but was then killed off off screen and nobody really cared.
Never forget GoT turned "not rape" into rape more than once, this being one of the first times.
Another being when Joffrey is lying dead in the tomb and Cersei is so stricken with grief she basically mounts Jaime the second he appears on the page. Not actually that unusual a behaviour for those who suddenly face the death of someone close, even less unusual when it's a mother who has just lost a child and the father appears next to her. That biological urge to replace the now dead investment is stronger than people want to admit.
In the show however Jaime not only instigates but Cersei is actively against it. At first.
It's easy to pressure someone into nude scenes when she is a no-name actress.
That doesn't change the fact they are white and feminist. I always find it funny when people go to bat here for women in Hollywood. They would kill you and steal your organs if the law allowed it. They fucking hate you.
Ditto for any professional female athlete.
Saying that they are widely hated is going bat for them? My point is that the problem is Disney pushing feminism, despite people voicing their dislike. Now, they are pulling the race card because people got tired of their feminism
And just to be pedantic, technically it wouldn't be stealing if the law allowed it
I wasn't speaking about you specifically. Just in general. I don't understand the eagerness of our side to engage in issues that have nothing to do with us and help people who hate us.
What do you really gain if a white woman plays a character in a shitty feminist movie instead of a black woman?
What do you gain if women's spaces are free of trans people? It won't get women out of ours.
I don't gain anything for having Disney push the Woke agenda. I don't gain anything with troons invading male spaces either, aka Brigdet from Guilty Gear, RE 4,etc. How hard is to think one can be against both?
I heard the actress also hates jews, is that better for you?
Not really? I don't care what women do. They can hate whoever they want, they're still my opponent.
I just hate traitor men who follow an ideology built for women. Bunch of fucking Stockholm Syndrome victims who refuse to get help.