Guys just take this untested vaccine to stop a disease that's no more deadly than the flu! Do it guys! Don't worry that there's never been a successful vaccine using this technology! Don't worry that there's no long term studies and no proper control groups!
You are a fucking retard for taking the vaccine. I'd call you that even if it did do what it was purported to, which we all know now is untrue, and if it had zero side effects
I can sort of get on board with this when we're talking about personal relationships, and stuff of that matter. If that's what we were dealing with, I could completely understand where you were coming from. This, however? Nah. These fucking people used COVID to destroy the economy - to sow unbelievable discord - with the express purpose of geting their side back into political power. The people who did this, and the people that enabled them should never be forgiven.
Seriously. Look at all of the absolutely disgusting tyranny/idiocy that they have enabled over the last 3 years. I challenge everyone to think back: Keeping kids from going to school. Keeping kids from youth sports/graduations - things that are now forever gone to them; they'll never get a chance to get it back. Old people dying alone in hospitals, because family were restricted from seeing them. Costing people their jobs/businesses/livelihoods. Telling people that they couldn't meet with friends and family, but then telling us that rioting for BLM was totally an acceptable/necessary exception. Hyper-tribalizing the entire country to where you had people literally at each other's throats on planes, in the grocery stores (Seriously - people physically attacking others not willing to further participate in their, "HuRrRR! You've got to mask uP!", political purity test). Using it (and their bullshit vaccine mandates) to purge their political enemies from the police/military. You've got states like California enacting laws where doctors can't speak up against the leftist narrative, or they have their license revoked. You got all the tech companies doing their absolute best to ban anyone from speaking up. They totally broke our society's faith in science, vaccines, and medicine, things that are probably going to result in tens of thousands of future deaths. They've caused inflation that has made it so that food is like 30-40% more expensive. Rent is through the roof. They used it to game our elections, and basically broke society's faith in that as well...
Fuck, it has been three long years of this. I can't even remember/make a full list here. This is just some of it.
In short, these motherfucking people used this thing to push all of our country to the very brink. They've nearly broken everything. There is NO fucking way you will ever convince me that they should be forgiven for that. They have dropped the mask. They have shown everyone exactly what they are / what they have always been. They just hid it before, because they thought they couldn't get away with it back then.
They have zero ethics/values/morals. The only thing they care about are their politics, and having the power to force those politics on everyone else.
They need to be removed from ever being in a position where they can hold power over others. Period. Never forget. Never forgive.
The people who did this, and the people that enabled them should never be forgiven.
I think people misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying you should "forgive" anyone. Only a fool would forgive people who have done such things. I'm saying that being bitter and angry about it doesn't hurt them, only you. At the same time, do the work to ensure that they never get such power again.
They totally broke our society's faith in science
And thank God for that, because "the science" is almost exclusively abused when used as an argument for anything.
In short, these motherfucking people used this thing to push all of our country to the very brink. They've nearly broken everything.
Only in America is it 'nearly' everything. Here in Europe, it's everything, period.
They need to be removed from ever being in a position where they can hold power over others. Period. Never forget. Never forgive.
Yes. But do stuff that harms them (legally), not harms yourself.
We're just a bit different, then. I don't see being bitter/angry - so long as it's not consuming you entirely - as being a bad thing. Negative emotions can be very good, so long as they are being put to good use - so long as they are being used as the will to action.
What is the alternative here? Apathy? If people do that, it's just going to let those who were responsible for this keep doing what they are doing, and make no mistake - that is absolutely what they are planning on doing, if people let them get away with it.
If people let them get away with this, with just a minor amount of pain, they are just going to see it as a small speed bump. The second the next thing/crisis comes along, they are going to be right back at it, banging the drum, using that thing/crisis to insert their agenda.
They need to be driven out. It needs to be clear to them that, you don't get to do what you have done, and ever be allowed to do it again.
I don't see being bitter/angry - so long as it's not consuming you entirely - as being a bad thing.
I actually agree. But I see a lot of people taking it too far. Hell, including myself. My heart says that the ruling classes should be hated with the heat of a thousand suns, but my brain tells me that this will only be bad for me.
They need to be driven out. It needs to be clear to them that, you don't get to do what you have done, and ever be allowed to do it again.
Did Lenin hate the tsarist regime? Maybe he hated it intellectually (because it stood in the way of him seizing power), but he did not hate it emotionally, as far as I know.
In any case: let me rephrase. Keep hate to whatever extent is beneficial and not harmful to yourself.
We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.
How about I fucking don't. How about I forever keep a fucking list of journo and every politician I ever I fucking saw propping up this shit?
Journos just now realizing that their prior fearmongering is looking more and more ridiculous to more and more people.
In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking.
No fucking shit. Anyone with a brain knew that your chances of inhaling an infectious viral load and in the one to two seconds it takes to walk past someone, in the open air, with the wind blowing, was literally one in millions unless they for some reason decided to turn and cough in your fucking face.
Given the amount of uncertainty, almost every position was taken on every topic.
No, fuck you. The journos and their elite masters shouldn't get to hide behind this. They made BLATANTLY nonsense claims and persecuted anyone who disagreed with them.
The standard saying is that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
We're doomed to repeat it if the same people and the same ideologies are left in power.
"No fucking shit. Anyone with a brain knew that your chances of inhaling an infectious viral load and in the one to two seconds it takes to walk past someone, in the open air, with the wind blowing, was literally one in millions unless they for some reason decided to turn and cough in your fucking face."
Yeah. I would bet a lot more apt to forgive if they didn't spend the past three years not only labeling people who were correct "conspiracy theorists" and "science deniers" but actively trying to find ways to have us incarcerated.
Not just the Atlantic, the entire Western civilization wants the public to forget what they tried to grab and maintain in the name of 'health'
It's varying from country to country as the response, some are loudly saying 'Go fuck yourselves' and then there's countries like Canada..... yeah I don't need to elaborate further with that one.
The basic principles that was and is so damaging about the covid actions are still with us. That is the feminist principle of "you must do something to benefit me otherwise you're a bigot, nazi, science denier etc etc."
This is, ultimately, the same principle that under pins the climate crazies.
Personal responsibility and freedom went out the window ages ago when society accepted feminism as sane and logical instead of a religious cult.
Notably, routine vaccination rates for children (for measles, pertussis, etc.) are way down. Rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines had in this decline, we need to put all our energy into bringing these rates back up.
You know, I'm not antivax. I'm anti untested vax being forced on people as part of a political vendetta. I'm in favor of things like the MMR vax because "safe and effective" actually applies to them outside the false world the commie propaganda created.
The problem is that "public-health officials" destroyed their credibility by taking the left's side in the culture wars, so why should people believe them? All the political fuckery around the clotshot is absolutely responsible for people being less trusting of legitimate vaccines. They can't lie about one vax and expect people to trust them about another vax. If they want to convince people to take the legitimate vaccines they need to rebuild trust, and that's impossible to do without addressing the reason for that mistrust in the first place, which is the crap they pulled with Covid.
Pediatricians and public-health officials will need to work together on community outreach, and politicians will need to consider school mandates.
This is proof that they still don't get it. There are already plenty of these school mandates that allow for exemptions. The vast majority got the vaccines instead of the exception because they trusted those vaccines. The Covid fiasco should have taught them that mandates make people trust them less, yet they continue making the problem worse. How about being honest for a change?
How much research have you actually done into MMR or other vaccines? I was the same way, thinking that they were tested and I'm not anti Vax. But this whole episode made me realize how I need to comb real data and not just get shots cause it's the medical system telling me to.
Not trying to throw shade, but just saying to do your own research into these other shots as well.
One of the defensive, deflective tactics in all this was to conflate the new shots with older vaccines that were less controversial. They really didn't think that one through, because they assumed that everyone else's reasoning process is just as shame- and fear-driven as their own. My scepticism was fact-driven, therefore all they succeeded in doing was to make it clear to me that the same people prepared to lie about these new jabs are the same people heavily invested in defending all prior vaccines.
Welp, sorry, but that changes the entire calculus for me. Suddenly I start to suspect that the autism link worriers may have been unfairly disparaged. Suddenly I start to feel like a clown for never thinking more deeply about SIDS and 'cot death'.
After what they pulled, the only reasonable response is to never trust anybody in the medical profession when it comes to vaccines no matter who they are or what they say, even if they're right. They totally blew up many decades of trust in public health officials, a genuinely concept that will take at least 50 years to rebuild, purely to make money for Pfizer for about 9 months.
Forget the ongoing campaign of slander against coof regime dissenters? Forget the eager compliance with DHS to censor dissenting opinion by the heads of the major communications outfits? Forget Justin Trudeau's creation of a police state with the coof as a pretext?
Eat shit and die, but don't use The Atlantic to wipe your ass, since it's not even good for that.
You know, I might - might - consider forgiving these people.
After we've had a public enquiry to establish beyond a shadow of a doubt who took part in what fuckery and has let everybody know about it.
Then, and only then, will I consider it.
What's done is done. Bearing a grudge or hatred doesn't help you. But never forget nor stop bringing up the confident lies of these people.
It does. People should be punished for their crimes and you shouldn't let a grudge or hatred consume you, as that harms only you.
The number of people who think that I said "just forgive them, bruh" is just incredible.
Maybe, but this seemed pretty clear to me...
Tony already trying to save his own skin after shilling the vaxx here
and defending both communism and jewish control
DA JOOOOOOOOOZ
Nope, I stand by everything I've said. I note that you can't actually produce anything objectionable. You have issues.
Guys just take this untested vaccine to stop a disease that's no more deadly than the flu! Do it guys! Don't worry that there's never been a successful vaccine using this technology! Don't worry that there's no long term studies and no proper control groups!
Fucking retard
I'm sure you didn't make this up, and that you have the receipts for it.
You're so dumb that you couldn't even grasp at straws - you had to jump straight to making stuff up.
You are a fucking retard for taking the vaccine. I'd call you that even if it did do what it was purported to, which we all know now is untrue, and if it had zero side effects
Alright, you still have no receipts for your claim that I said:
So you made it up, you know you made it up, and now it's obvious.
I can sort of get on board with this when we're talking about personal relationships, and stuff of that matter. If that's what we were dealing with, I could completely understand where you were coming from. This, however? Nah. These fucking people used COVID to destroy the economy - to sow unbelievable discord - with the express purpose of geting their side back into political power. The people who did this, and the people that enabled them should never be forgiven.
Seriously. Look at all of the absolutely disgusting tyranny/idiocy that they have enabled over the last 3 years. I challenge everyone to think back: Keeping kids from going to school. Keeping kids from youth sports/graduations - things that are now forever gone to them; they'll never get a chance to get it back. Old people dying alone in hospitals, because family were restricted from seeing them. Costing people their jobs/businesses/livelihoods. Telling people that they couldn't meet with friends and family, but then telling us that rioting for BLM was totally an acceptable/necessary exception. Hyper-tribalizing the entire country to where you had people literally at each other's throats on planes, in the grocery stores (Seriously - people physically attacking others not willing to further participate in their, "HuRrRR! You've got to mask uP!", political purity test). Using it (and their bullshit vaccine mandates) to purge their political enemies from the police/military. You've got states like California enacting laws where doctors can't speak up against the leftist narrative, or they have their license revoked. You got all the tech companies doing their absolute best to ban anyone from speaking up. They totally broke our society's faith in science, vaccines, and medicine, things that are probably going to result in tens of thousands of future deaths. They've caused inflation that has made it so that food is like 30-40% more expensive. Rent is through the roof. They used it to game our elections, and basically broke society's faith in that as well...
Fuck, it has been three long years of this. I can't even remember/make a full list here. This is just some of it.
In short, these motherfucking people used this thing to push all of our country to the very brink. They've nearly broken everything. There is NO fucking way you will ever convince me that they should be forgiven for that. They have dropped the mask. They have shown everyone exactly what they are / what they have always been. They just hid it before, because they thought they couldn't get away with it back then.
They have zero ethics/values/morals. The only thing they care about are their politics, and having the power to force those politics on everyone else.
They need to be removed from ever being in a position where they can hold power over others. Period. Never forget. Never forgive.
I think people misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying you should "forgive" anyone. Only a fool would forgive people who have done such things. I'm saying that being bitter and angry about it doesn't hurt them, only you. At the same time, do the work to ensure that they never get such power again.
And thank God for that, because "the science" is almost exclusively abused when used as an argument for anything.
Only in America is it 'nearly' everything. Here in Europe, it's everything, period.
Yes. But do stuff that harms them (legally), not harms yourself.
We're just a bit different, then. I don't see being bitter/angry - so long as it's not consuming you entirely - as being a bad thing. Negative emotions can be very good, so long as they are being put to good use - so long as they are being used as the will to action.
What is the alternative here? Apathy? If people do that, it's just going to let those who were responsible for this keep doing what they are doing, and make no mistake - that is absolutely what they are planning on doing, if people let them get away with it.
If people let them get away with this, with just a minor amount of pain, they are just going to see it as a small speed bump. The second the next thing/crisis comes along, they are going to be right back at it, banging the drum, using that thing/crisis to insert their agenda.
They need to be driven out. It needs to be clear to them that, you don't get to do what you have done, and ever be allowed to do it again.
I actually agree. But I see a lot of people taking it too far. Hell, including myself. My heart says that the ruling classes should be hated with the heat of a thousand suns, but my brain tells me that this will only be bad for me.
At the very least.
I disagree. Purging the elites and journo apparatchiks will definitely help.
That is not at all contradictory with 'not bearing a grudge'.
It means not to let it consume you rather than them, as that does them no harm at all.
But hatred helps you purge.
Did Lenin hate the tsarist regime? Maybe he hated it intellectually (because it stood in the way of him seizing power), but he did not hate it emotionally, as far as I know.
In any case: let me rephrase. Keep hate to whatever extent is beneficial and not harmful to yourself.
They should be punished with death, then I'll think about letting go of my hatred for them.
I suppose I can accept torturing statists
Another one?
I thought Nuremberg 2.0 was going to be for those who "downplay the crimes of women", which you announced a while back.
So you're still not embarrassed that you proclaimed tribunals for people who "downplay the crimes of the womens"?
How long a sentence am I looking at, girl?
Why don't you answer the question instead, batshit?
Fuck that. We need Torquemada!
How about I fucking don't. How about I forever keep a fucking list of journo and every politician I ever I fucking saw propping up this shit?
Journos just now realizing that their prior fearmongering is looking more and more ridiculous to more and more people.
No fucking shit. Anyone with a brain knew that your chances of inhaling an infectious viral load and in the one to two seconds it takes to walk past someone, in the open air, with the wind blowing, was literally one in millions unless they for some reason decided to turn and cough in your fucking face.
No, fuck you. The journos and their elite masters shouldn't get to hide behind this. They made BLATANTLY nonsense claims and persecuted anyone who disagreed with them.
We're doomed to repeat it if the same people and the same ideologies are left in power.
A massive, sweeping political purge is required.
"No fucking shit. Anyone with a brain knew that your chances of inhaling an infectious viral load and in the one to two seconds it takes to walk past someone, in the open air, with the wind blowing, was literally one in millions unless they for some reason decided to turn and cough in your fucking face." Yeah. I would bet a lot more apt to forgive if they didn't spend the past three years not only labeling people who were correct "conspiracy theorists" and "science deniers" but actively trying to find ways to have us incarcerated.
Never forgive, never forget.
Not just the Atlantic, the entire Western civilization wants the public to forget what they tried to grab and maintain in the name of 'health'
It's varying from country to country as the response, some are loudly saying 'Go fuck yourselves' and then there's countries like Canada..... yeah I don't need to elaborate further with that one.
How cute. I would perhaps consider an amnesty if they offer 7,770,000 heads of vax pushers as penance.
The "experts" and corrupt politicians must pay for the hell they brought upon us.
They forced cruel lockdowns and evil mask/vaccine mandates on us and they expect me to just forgive them with no accountability.
This is not how this works.
I will never forget them. I will never forgive them.
The cunt who wrote this article can go fuck herself with a spiked dildo.
The basic principles that was and is so damaging about the covid actions are still with us. That is the feminist principle of "you must do something to benefit me otherwise you're a bigot, nazi, science denier etc etc."
This is, ultimately, the same principle that under pins the climate crazies.
Personal responsibility and freedom went out the window ages ago when society accepted feminism as sane and logical instead of a religious cult.
Who the hell is Lauren?
There's no way I can be as well-informed as the guy who predicted a 90% vaccine death rate. But go ahead and see if you can make any sense.
You know, I'm not antivax. I'm anti untested vax being forced on people as part of a political vendetta. I'm in favor of things like the MMR vax because "safe and effective" actually applies to them outside the false world the commie propaganda created.
The problem is that "public-health officials" destroyed their credibility by taking the left's side in the culture wars, so why should people believe them? All the political fuckery around the clotshot is absolutely responsible for people being less trusting of legitimate vaccines. They can't lie about one vax and expect people to trust them about another vax. If they want to convince people to take the legitimate vaccines they need to rebuild trust, and that's impossible to do without addressing the reason for that mistrust in the first place, which is the crap they pulled with Covid.
This is proof that they still don't get it. There are already plenty of these school mandates that allow for exemptions. The vast majority got the vaccines instead of the exception because they trusted those vaccines. The Covid fiasco should have taught them that mandates make people trust them less, yet they continue making the problem worse. How about being honest for a change?
How much research have you actually done into MMR or other vaccines? I was the same way, thinking that they were tested and I'm not anti Vax. But this whole episode made me realize how I need to comb real data and not just get shots cause it's the medical system telling me to.
Not trying to throw shade, but just saying to do your own research into these other shots as well.
One of the defensive, deflective tactics in all this was to conflate the new shots with older vaccines that were less controversial. They really didn't think that one through, because they assumed that everyone else's reasoning process is just as shame- and fear-driven as their own. My scepticism was fact-driven, therefore all they succeeded in doing was to make it clear to me that the same people prepared to lie about these new jabs are the same people heavily invested in defending all prior vaccines.
Welp, sorry, but that changes the entire calculus for me. Suddenly I start to suspect that the autism link worriers may have been unfairly disparaged. Suddenly I start to feel like a clown for never thinking more deeply about SIDS and 'cot death'.
After what they pulled, the only reasonable response is to never trust anybody in the medical profession when it comes to vaccines no matter who they are or what they say, even if they're right. They totally blew up many decades of trust in public health officials, a genuinely concept that will take at least 50 years to rebuild, purely to make money for Pfizer for about 9 months.
Forget the ongoing campaign of slander against coof regime dissenters? Forget the eager compliance with DHS to censor dissenting opinion by the heads of the major communications outfits? Forget Justin Trudeau's creation of a police state with the coof as a pretext?
Eat shit and die, but don't use The Atlantic to wipe your ass, since it's not even good for that.
Right. Some fuckwads are still wishing disease and death on the unvaccinated.
Celebrities especially deserve the wood-chipper, not forgiveness.
Jesus forgives. Let his disciples roll over and take it.
she thinks they need to forgive US