The prequels have their issues but they fit into the world of the original trilogy. The sequels upend the world of the original trilogy. I'll take a poorly executed attempt at expanding a world in good faith over a technically strong attempt to destroy it.
Similarly I'd rather rewatch the Rankin/Bass Hobbit over the billion dollar amazon abomination because the latter is just shitting on the world that Tolkien built.
Most importantly the prequels are the vision of the author, love him or hate him. The sequels are designed by committee and hacks who acquired something they didn't understand.
I'll take a poorly executed attempt at expanding a world in good faith over a technically strong attempt to destroy it.
At least the prequels had that charm the sequels will never have. I am not really the biggest fan of the prequels but at least they're watchable, got good acting(yes, even Hayden when he's not opening his mouth), great music but also some dumb decisions.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I did say he did good. He isn't bad, just whenever he opened his mouth it wasn't easy to listen to...granted, I don't know if someone can make "I hate sand" sound good. But the way he moved, his looks, he 100% got that down, especially in RotS where I think he was at his best and def. channeled that menacing persona.
RLM have clearly taken great pains to remain relatively apolitical in their content. I think Mike probably has the most creative control over the channel, and he likely values views (and dollars) more than virtue signaling. That said, they are all varying shades of liberal, with commie retard Josh being the worst.
The trouble with this apolitical approach to film criticism is that much of today’s mainstream entertainment is aggressively leftist, and this politicization is directly responsible for the massive falloff in quality. As an “apolitical” critic, this puts you in a position where you must pretend that mistakes and flaws in media are a result of run-of-the-mill incompetence rather than ideological possession.
When character behavior or plots don’t make sense, RLM chalks it all up to people being untalented. In reality, producers, writers, and directors aren’t untalented - they’re leftist bugmen who subscribe to inverted moralities and value systems. Their creations seem bizarre because the creators are alien and degenerate weirdos.
I’m reminded of the divide in gamergate pundits. You had the “ethics in journalism” crowd who were hell bent on reclaiming leftism from the Marxists by prosecuting what were essentially “process crimes”. These were the gamergate “leaders” who immediately flipped back to leftism the moment Trump won. They were pro-vaxx, pro-mask, pro-lockdown, etc.
Then you had the “welcome to the culture war” crowd who deep dove into the radical leftist ideologies underpinning video game journalism. These are the people Julian Assange was speaking to when he said that all of mainstream media are just like video game journalism.
In the end, the culture warriors were obviously correct. All of the insane ideologies of the game journos have rapidly metastasized from academia and media to the wider world of politics and business.
Strange tangent. Anyways, RLM are great but will probably go full retard at some point. Just the nature of things now.
Exhibit B: The Thone Room fight in TLJ. They had to digitally remove a blade from one scene because it was going to kill Rey as the choreography was that bad. The whole fight is rubbish and treats both the general premise of a 2v12orwhatever and the lore of Star Wars with zero interest or attention.
Kylo frequently takes action doing things that just don't make sense like stabbing his lightsaber into the floor. He does this again in TROS when he turns around and holds it against his back to deflect a strike - except the editing of the move means it takes. for. fucking. ever. and so the pacing is horrendous for what should have worked if it didn't have so many cuts for a combat move.
There's also the overall storytelling problem where the antagonist is beaten in every. fucking. film. Kylo loses to Rey in TFA. He loses again to Jake in TLJ. Then he loses to Rey again in TROS when she sucker punches him and stabs him with his own lightsaber after he gets distracted by his mother dying and feels the death through the Force!
There are so many things the Disney trilogy can be criticised for and it doesn't even need to deal with the actual characters to do so, it's that badly made. It's going to provide content for film making classes for fucking decades as ways to not make a movie/trilogy!
Imagine a competent team making something similar like the throne room scene with good choreography and a bit of sense. I could see that happen and it still wouldn't be Star Wars. One of my pet peeves with the prequels is to try and one up the original trilogy which is more subdued, this is like that on steroids while pissing all over the original trilogy.
the Disney star wars movies are far worse than dumb, they are retarded:
they actively shit all over the known rules of Star Wars with dumb shit like the "holdo maneuver",
they retcon almost everything in star wars, such as the fact that the rebels won,
they actively ruin established characters like Han Solo and Luke Skywalker
the main character is a shitty Mary Sue
other characters like captain phasma, the black guy, and the fat azn girl, are total jokes. overall they were way worse than jar jar.
The prequels are almost charming next to the disney movies. It's like if you take a really plain, homely girl, and then stick her next to a grotesque tranny. The disney movies aren't just bad, they push the franchise into the negative by destroying what they were given instead of building on it.
I can at least appreciate that George Lucas was telling a story he loved even though he's a bad director. Kathleen Kennedy is a monster who raped our childhoods.
The prequels are a "last hurrah" for a kind of moviemaking that died with the 80s. Where the director had this grand fantasy vision and did as much weird and cool stuff as possible on his budget and left it to the editing room nerds to put together a comprehensive movie out of it.
Sword and Sorcerer, Spacehunter Adventures in the Forbidden Zone, Boy and his Dog, Krull, Beastmaster, Ice Pirates etc.
Except with an effectively unlimited budget and nobody willing to rein in the "legendary" director you lost a lot of the creativity and innovation that comes from making something visionary work out of constrained resources.
The sequels are also horribly written. The Plinkett Review of TLJ even rips it apart for how stupid it is. I kind of wonder if RLM is trying to avoid getting sucked into being full on anti-woke so they act as contrarians to anti-woke at times. I also know that balled guy had TDS.
Jay is fully signed up to the new improved morality which says actors shouldn't act outside their own idpol category. Couple of times I've tried to watch Half in the Bag recently and his first point of comparison for movies these days seems to be to the Bristol Stool Chart. Any western actor trying to play a character from a latitude south of their hometown basically gets labelled as blackface now. This is the kind of shite that a normie might pick up from his woke girlfriend and regurgitate to mockery from his mates, which shows that there's no sanity in their studio. Zero percent redpill index, agreed.
They've said a lot of shit in the past that "should" get them cancelled, but the fact that it doesn't happen at all is proof enough of their politics. Plus, you know if it happened (ie: Rich's joke in uh... Hands of Steel? About the 'Tranny Tracker 5000') they'd weep and cry and apologize and probably have a bunch of tranny guest regulars on the show after that.
The focus on "technical quality" over meaningful and genuine stories is probably where I break away from their mentality too. I'm fine with something being crude if it still has some heart to it. This is probably one reason they enjoy "so bad it's good" movies, they still have that desire to do good.
I believe they said something to the extent that a movie can't be "so bad it's good" if it's clear the creators weren't trying. Even if the badness is batshit insane there has to be a certain sincerity to it, otherwise it's unwatchable crap.
I enjoyed the prequels. Yes I know the flaws but I can appreciate the fact it was made by someone who cares. Which is something we rarely get now. Rian only cared about crapping on Star Wars
RLM pretty much built their entire brand on hating the prequels and lambasting them as the worst-written garbage out there. I think their attempt to rehabilitate the sequels, however half-hearted, was really just playing defense for their reputation. If they admit the prequels are better than the sequels, they'd be undermining the decade-long foundation of their whole company.
The prequels were good stories that had poor deliveries. The sequels were just straight up shit stories. The only edge the sequels had over the prequels were the special effects and even that has fallen off with their later stuff.
At least the prequels were willing to try new things and they had some cool new characters like Maul, Grievous & Dooku. And while Vader was kind of a little bitch they didn't nearly damage his character as much as the sequels did Luke.
Also to add, the whole "the prequels weren't that bad" thing was Disney using their presstitutes to drum up the perceived value of the Star Wars brand right after purchase. It was an obvious journolist style coordinated campaign to defend that absolute trash.
Eh i don't like the way they pretend that Lucas' success was more luck and a good editing team than his own vision even with the OG trilogy. They don't seem to know wtf they are talking about. I've seen their other stuff and they come across like a group being cynical for the sake of being cynical rather than because something was bad or not, which is exactly the kind of criticism i have come to hate in recent years.
The prequels have their issues but they fit into the world of the original trilogy. The sequels upend the world of the original trilogy. I'll take a poorly executed attempt at expanding a world in good faith over a technically strong attempt to destroy it.
Similarly I'd rather rewatch the Rankin/Bass Hobbit over the billion dollar amazon abomination because the latter is just shitting on the world that Tolkien built.
Most importantly the prequels are the vision of the author, love him or hate him. The sequels are designed by committee and hacks who acquired something they didn't understand.
This 100%, and I agree with RLM on AotC.
Midi-fucking-chlorians.
Symptom of force sensitivity. Not the cause. Easy fix.
fair point.
At least the prequels had that charm the sequels will never have. I am not really the biggest fan of the prequels but at least they're watchable, got good acting(yes, even Hayden when he's not opening his mouth), great music but also some dumb decisions.
Hayden knocked it out of the park. It's not his fault the script was utter dogshit.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I did say he did good. He isn't bad, just whenever he opened his mouth it wasn't easy to listen to...granted, I don't know if someone can make "I hate sand" sound good. But the way he moved, his looks, he 100% got that down, especially in RotS where I think he was at his best and def. channeled that menacing persona.
RLM have clearly taken great pains to remain relatively apolitical in their content. I think Mike probably has the most creative control over the channel, and he likely values views (and dollars) more than virtue signaling. That said, they are all varying shades of liberal, with commie retard Josh being the worst.
The trouble with this apolitical approach to film criticism is that much of today’s mainstream entertainment is aggressively leftist, and this politicization is directly responsible for the massive falloff in quality. As an “apolitical” critic, this puts you in a position where you must pretend that mistakes and flaws in media are a result of run-of-the-mill incompetence rather than ideological possession.
When character behavior or plots don’t make sense, RLM chalks it all up to people being untalented. In reality, producers, writers, and directors aren’t untalented - they’re leftist bugmen who subscribe to inverted moralities and value systems. Their creations seem bizarre because the creators are alien and degenerate weirdos.
I’m reminded of the divide in gamergate pundits. You had the “ethics in journalism” crowd who were hell bent on reclaiming leftism from the Marxists by prosecuting what were essentially “process crimes”. These were the gamergate “leaders” who immediately flipped back to leftism the moment Trump won. They were pro-vaxx, pro-mask, pro-lockdown, etc.
Then you had the “welcome to the culture war” crowd who deep dove into the radical leftist ideologies underpinning video game journalism. These are the people Julian Assange was speaking to when he said that all of mainstream media are just like video game journalism.
In the end, the culture warriors were obviously correct. All of the insane ideologies of the game journos have rapidly metastasized from academia and media to the wider world of politics and business.
Strange tangent. Anyways, RLM are great but will probably go full retard at some point. Just the nature of things now.
They're untalented and leftist bugmen
They're untalented at making good movies, but that's not what they're really being hired for.
No they weren't. They were highly polished turds. That doesn't make them "well made" in any sense of the words.
Exhibit A: All 3 Sequel Films
j/k
Exhibit B: The Thone Room fight in TLJ. They had to digitally remove a blade from one scene because it was going to kill Rey as the choreography was that bad. The whole fight is rubbish and treats both the general premise of a 2v12orwhatever and the lore of Star Wars with zero interest or attention.
Kylo frequently takes action doing things that just don't make sense like stabbing his lightsaber into the floor. He does this again in TROS when he turns around and holds it against his back to deflect a strike - except the editing of the move means it takes. for. fucking. ever. and so the pacing is horrendous for what should have worked if it didn't have so many cuts for a combat move.
There's also the overall storytelling problem where the antagonist is beaten in every. fucking. film. Kylo loses to Rey in TFA. He loses again to Jake in TLJ. Then he loses to Rey again in TROS when she sucker punches him and stabs him with his own lightsaber after he gets distracted by his mother dying and feels the death through the Force!
There are so many things the Disney trilogy can be criticised for and it doesn't even need to deal with the actual characters to do so, it's that badly made. It's going to provide content for film making classes for fucking decades as ways to not make a movie/trilogy!
Imagine a competent team making something similar like the throne room scene with good choreography and a bit of sense. I could see that happen and it still wouldn't be Star Wars. One of my pet peeves with the prequels is to try and one up the original trilogy which is more subdued, this is like that on steroids while pissing all over the original trilogy.
They're definitely wrong about that. They just chose an arbitrary definition of "well made" that lets them take a contrarian position.
the prequels are just dumb but not retarded.
the Disney star wars movies are far worse than dumb, they are retarded:
they actively shit all over the known rules of Star Wars with dumb shit like the "holdo maneuver",
they retcon almost everything in star wars, such as the fact that the rebels won,
they actively ruin established characters like Han Solo and Luke Skywalker
the main character is a shitty Mary Sue
other characters like captain phasma, the black guy, and the fat azn girl, are total jokes. overall they were way worse than jar jar.
The prequels are almost charming next to the disney movies. It's like if you take a really plain, homely girl, and then stick her next to a grotesque tranny. The disney movies aren't just bad, they push the franchise into the negative by destroying what they were given instead of building on it.
I can at least appreciate that George Lucas was telling a story he loved even though he's a bad director. Kathleen Kennedy is a monster who raped our childhoods.
The prequels are a "last hurrah" for a kind of moviemaking that died with the 80s. Where the director had this grand fantasy vision and did as much weird and cool stuff as possible on his budget and left it to the editing room nerds to put together a comprehensive movie out of it.
Sword and Sorcerer, Spacehunter Adventures in the Forbidden Zone, Boy and his Dog, Krull, Beastmaster, Ice Pirates etc.
Except with an effectively unlimited budget and nobody willing to rein in the "legendary" director you lost a lot of the creativity and innovation that comes from making something visionary work out of constrained resources.
The sequels are also horribly written. The Plinkett Review of TLJ even rips it apart for how stupid it is. I kind of wonder if RLM is trying to avoid getting sucked into being full on anti-woke so they act as contrarians to anti-woke at times. I also know that balled guy had TDS.
Jay is fully signed up to the new improved morality which says actors shouldn't act outside their own idpol category. Couple of times I've tried to watch Half in the Bag recently and his first point of comparison for movies these days seems to be to the Bristol Stool Chart. Any western actor trying to play a character from a latitude south of their hometown basically gets labelled as blackface now. This is the kind of shite that a normie might pick up from his woke girlfriend and regurgitate to mockery from his mates, which shows that there's no sanity in their studio. Zero percent redpill index, agreed.
They've said a lot of shit in the past that "should" get them cancelled, but the fact that it doesn't happen at all is proof enough of their politics. Plus, you know if it happened (ie: Rich's joke in uh... Hands of Steel? About the 'Tranny Tracker 5000') they'd weep and cry and apologize and probably have a bunch of tranny guest regulars on the show after that.
The focus on "technical quality" over meaningful and genuine stories is probably where I break away from their mentality too. I'm fine with something being crude if it still has some heart to it. This is probably one reason they enjoy "so bad it's good" movies, they still have that desire to do good.
I believe they said something to the extent that a movie can't be "so bad it's good" if it's clear the creators weren't trying. Even if the badness is batshit insane there has to be a certain sincerity to it, otherwise it's unwatchable crap.
I enjoyed the prequels. Yes I know the flaws but I can appreciate the fact it was made by someone who cares. Which is something we rarely get now. Rian only cared about crapping on Star Wars
the normal person word for "subverting expectations" is "disappointing"
Wrong. It's "hostility."
Subversion is hostility.
RLM pretty much built their entire brand on hating the prequels and lambasting them as the worst-written garbage out there. I think their attempt to rehabilitate the sequels, however half-hearted, was really just playing defense for their reputation. If they admit the prequels are better than the sequels, they'd be undermining the decade-long foundation of their whole company.
The prequels were bad but sincere, the sequels are bad and cynical.
The prequels were good stories that had poor deliveries. The sequels were just straight up shit stories. The only edge the sequels had over the prequels were the special effects and even that has fallen off with their later stuff.
At least the prequels were willing to try new things and they had some cool new characters like Maul, Grievous & Dooku. And while Vader was kind of a little bitch they didn't nearly damage his character as much as the sequels did Luke.
Also to add, the whole "the prequels weren't that bad" thing was Disney using their presstitutes to drum up the perceived value of the Star Wars brand right after purchase. It was an obvious journolist style coordinated campaign to defend that absolute trash.
Eh i don't like the way they pretend that Lucas' success was more luck and a good editing team than his own vision even with the OG trilogy. They don't seem to know wtf they are talking about. I've seen their other stuff and they come across like a group being cynical for the sake of being cynical rather than because something was bad or not, which is exactly the kind of criticism i have come to hate in recent years.