Matt Walsh gets asked, "What's your opinion on anime?"
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I'll give you one. Ever since you released your documentary, your feed has been flooded with satanic troons with anime pfps wishing death on you. This is unfortunately a small but very unpleasant and vocal sector of the fandom.
Conversely, there's lots of pretty normie Christian weebs who simply enjoy an entire evening of watching a good story without being endlessly placarded and mocked as backward, bigoted troglodytes. You don't see them very much because they don't live on social media.
Basically availability bias. Wish he'd watch some Ghibli or something.
Agree
Watching rich black men simulate fucking white women and then whine about white supremacy
vs.
Watching boring, recycled children's cartoons about being too awkward to talk to women even though you are a master of the dual blades technique and thus highly desirable
Which way, western man?
Vs watching skeleton dude massacre an entire kingdom because a noble robbed his trade route
Shinto.
No.
He should've just been honest and said 'I don't watch anime because I'm not a weeb.'
I think he was referring to the various forms of degeneracy it's spawned that can only be named in Japanese and their proclivity for creating androgynous, underage, and generally faggotine characters.
yeah the majority of anime that gets posted on more public forums like twatter are your high school anime, harems or isekais with all the fan service sliders set to maximum
what does not get posted about much are your more serious series because they do not tend to have the most "out there" scenes
for example, the entire Gundam franchise can be serious and brutal when it wants to be (but I have yet to really come across a character death that felt cheap there have been a few that shocked me but never cheap) and has a pretty strong anti-war/war bad angle to it most of the time (oh and don't watch victory Gundam that one was... well there's a scene where bikini warriors attack a ship and get wiped out, legend has it that Tomino didn't want to make victory Gundam so he made it very silly - giant motorbike fortresses anyone?)
planetes is a 5 minutes in the future speculative science fiction show about mans first steps in colonising space and dealing with Kessler syndrome and mostly follows a space garbage disposal team
legend of the galactic heroes shows an interstellar war from both sides of the conflict never letting you really feel like one side is good and one side is bad but more that there are good and bad people on both sides of the conflict
pretty much anything by Makoto Shinkai will emotionally destroy you with no fan service just good writing, animation, art direction, music and voice acting
as for the entire cartoon thing, anime is drawings and the only thing that really limits what you can make with that is your imagination, and the quality of the drawings and animations is mostly dictated by the budget
live action has more moving parts (set dressing, costumes, effects etc.), and most live-action Japanese tv dramas I have seen have this amateur feel to them (the NHK taiga dramas do tend to be very good though) I think there's just more focus on anime so the live action stuff is usually used the fast and cheap option (a fast and cheap anime will just look bad in basically every way and not have the best VAs)
there are some great live-action films from japan though pretty much anything by Akira Kurosawa is a classic but made before anime really kicked off, more recently though the only "top quality" film I am aware of is unforgiven (a remake of a western but set in early Meiji era japan)
I just wish isekai fantasy would fuck off so we can go back to some great sci-fi
so i had a look at recent sci-fi and the only shows i can see that appear to focus on the sci-fi and are also not fan service delivery systems are Gundam the witch from mercury and Legend of the Galactic Heroes Die Neue These
everything else is either chock full of magical bullshit with only some slight "woo future sci fi" background elements or are pure fan service machines or both
Hit the nail on the head. If you never watch anime that's probably your perspective on it, from what gets posted on social media by the hopelessly degenerate.
That's just how the Japanese look
The way checkies can't tell when someone on the enemy side makes a joke and get really angry and sneery when they're told it was a joke is always funny.
The pearl clutching around Walsh is pretty funny because this is what they have been reduced to. Even his comments saying basically that if you knock a girl up the least you can do is marry her didn't get much traction. He must really not have any skeletons in his closet. All because this pretty vanilla guy goes about saying trannys aren't actually women and maybe we shouldn't mutilate children. Progressives rely on their opponents looking like Westboro Baptist types. Normal looking people talking to other normal looking people are a problem.
The truth is, Leftoids don't care whether what was said was a joke. If they can take the words out of context and use them against you, they will try.
Walsh's follow-up on anime, by the way:
https://nitter.net/MattWalshBlog/status/1582047244663914502
People here are also being tarded and taking him seriously
Maybe he was watching Bible Black?
Tbf Japanese like to play with religion and religious themes in their media for decades now. Play some final fantasy, you always have a lot of symbolism for different religions and often times you are made to kill God. The Japanese are not as hung up over it since they are pretty "religiously fluid" to steal a term.
That’s a very broad brush. I like Walsh but there is a ton of anime going back decades.
My thoughts exactly. There's more respect for classical western art/architecture/music/culture, etc...packed into one Ghibli movie than the entire capeshit universe combined.
He's using a retarded brush. No argument whatsoever other than "it seems that way"
It's just a wrapper for storytelling. Any more you want to hook on to that clothespin is just generating associative sin.
If his exposure to anime is the same as mine in the past 10 years (sickos posting their fetishes in cartoon form), I think I'd consider it satanic, too.
With that said, I agree with him that adults shouldn't be watching cartoons, even though I'm guilty of doing that at times. I just think we, as a society, need to go back by at least 7 decades in terms of men being men and women being women.
These people would be saying "adults shouldn't be reading books" in a different era.
Well I’ve seen older anime I like. I tend to read more than I watch tv and of that tv I watch a lot of older programming but I’m not gonna begrudge someone who watches cartoons. I enjoy watching cartoons I watched as a kid of I see them on like GI Joe or The Simpsons.
I get what you are saying about maturity but I kind of get tired of people wagging their fingers and being the judge of what’s appropriate to watch. I still collect and read comic books. Although now they combine as an investment along with my stocks. I say watch want you want but remember priorities. I’m currently single but if I had a family they would come first. If a father is putting anime ahead of his family that’s a problem of course.
But I agree about women being women and men being men but there is nothing wrong with hobbies in moderation. I still play video games but not as much as I used to die to work
Adults shouldn't be watching television, they should be reading books.
Wait, that's 5 decades.
Adults shouldn't be reading books, they should be fighting in the war effort.
There we go.
It's fuckin' entertainment media, and it should be evaluated AS that concept. Entertainment media poses minimal societal gains, some marginal reductions in crime rate at most. But if you're painting with that brush, it's all or nothing. A Song Of Ice And Fire is some rape-fest fanservice shlock, in both its TV and book forms. Worse than most anime in that regard, I'd say.
So stop reading books, if they aren't technical manuals for tanks or mortars you operate under the government's rule. Because otherwise, they're pointless.
eeeh if the western entertainment industry had gone full in on animated works like japan has people would probably not think this as much
different cultures and all
there is a fair amount of anime out there that is not for children and I don't just mean in a "there's fucking boobs everywhere" sense, I mean in a "theres violence and the series tackles adult themes" sense or just that children won't understand it
although really i can't think of many recent examples... things like paranoia agent or serial experiments lain and possibly jormungand
What did you even watch the last 10 years? 10 years is such a long span of time, there's been tons of amazing shows out there with thought provoking storylines, good characters, amazing animation and great soundtracks. Just last year and this year(with season 2) we've been graced with Komi can't communicate, an anime I feel is as perfect as they can get to the point where even very critical friends of mine couldn't find one thing to actually critique(just nitpick).
I'd agree with you there's some degenerate stuff out there, I will vehemently disagree with you when it comes to it all being the same, you're just not looking outside of your bubble.
I don't watch anime, it's just me coming across it because people post their crap in places where it doesn't belong because they love injecting their hobbies into everything.
Same with a lot of fandoms, really. Thank god the ponypeople got less and less, that was beyond annoying at the time.
It's a joke
https://nitter.net/MattWalshBlog/status/1582047244663914502
Wow, how 1995 church Karen of him
Having just watched Evangelion 1.11 and 2.22 .... uh ... well ... you know ... he may have a point.
To be fair, you haven't selected your everyday, normal, slice of life stuff, you went straight to NGE. wew
I don't know, I wouldn't boil down cinema to "Yeah I've watched Fight Club and movies are satanic, yo"
Evangelion is famous for just throwing in random bible shit entirely because it sounded fancy, complicated, and mysterious. Most of it makes little sense once you look beyond the most broad strokes possible.
It's not random at all. SEELE is deliberately copying from scripture to engineer an artificial second coming type event.
Eva isn't all anime though. If you still want mechs watch some Gundam, I highly recommend Iron Blooded Orphans, that is a bit of a political drama, too.
But yeah, Eva is a bit weird, not even that big of a fan personally. Doubt it Matt Walsh ever really saw any anime and tbh: that's fine. Not everyone has to like everything, lol.
Walsh is merely useful for fighting back against gender ideology.
Who cares what a Daily Wire employee thinks about anime?
Walsh works for the establishment shill Ben Shapiro, it is wise to take anything from him with a grain of salt.
So does Jordan Peterson.
Jordan Peterson used to work for the United Nations . Anyone working at the Daily Wire is an establishment shill .
I have heard such ideas before, and I think one big reason is because the some of the most degenerate members of society are fans of anime and video games, however that is putting the cart before the horse.
Trans love make-believe and escapism because they hate reality, so they flock to these things. When we look at Japan, however, they aren't overrun by troons, although they do have a large amount of people who are discontent with real life and love the escapism anime allows. Still, fantasy being popular with certain types of people is a symptom, not a cause, it doesn't mean all who enjoy it are degenerate, and many anime can be fine in moderation (although some is strictly negative).
I have an opinion, how dare you have an opinion!
There actually is a lot of satanic imagery, symbolism and themes that I have long since believed for years that Japan post WW2 is an experiment. Anime being one small part of it (I also believe how the Japanese economic boom-bust phenomenon was another part of the experiment)... Some people have pushed the idea of cool Japan for decades and it's allowed their anime, manga, etc. Go into some pretty weird shit
Lolis (sexualisation of underage girls), the beatiality both in some generic shows and in porn, transhumanism, sci-fi dystopia (post humanism, i.e so much anime looking at the deconstruction of the human), also extends to a lot of fantasy. And beyond there's so many different genres that still present a sense of authoritarian heirarchy and many stories revolve around characters working to advance up or fit in to the system (could be a loose connection to the beast system). The ones who reject the system are often villains
Speaking of villains, someone in another post bright to my attention the scores of luciferian-archetypal villains in Japanese pop media. Well known examples would be Kefka, Dio are just a handful that I can remember off the top of my head atm. These are characters that are oddly celebrated and have legions of fans
Must people I'm guessing haven't thought about it enough to see the connections because anime and all that dress it up very well
That's just collectivism in general. Its older than anime for Japan to write its stories like that, same with most of Asia. Its like accusing American media of having an insidious plot to indoctrinate children into rebellion by planting ideas of free thinking and democracy.
Most people probably haven't thought of these connections because its just saying things like "Dio is popular" and adding "clearly its because he is a Satanic archetype."
The collectivism is seen as good most of the time even in a dystopia. Japan makes it look convincing because they make these shows look cool. I guess i should've put it better.
American media has similar collectivism presented in a slightly different flavour: the government and/or superheroes maintain the world order, while at the same time espouse some semblance of individualism. seen as good. Villains who have been hurt and see the world as broken try to change things in their own way, but usually end up going too far. i don't think it's that far off from japanese media. just that japan does it better
Look at Psycho Pass where the system is clearly damaging to the mental health of its citizens, and the ones who want to expose & dismantle that system are the villains. The ones who uphold the law to maintain the system are the heroes, so that it can continue to function off of the suffering of the people. by the end of it we're meant to see that as a virtuous thing
Generally, doing one's duty and trying to keep harmony and hierarchy are incredibly important to getting humanity back on track out of a dystopia. I'd even say that often times having that structural backbone of a system would be better than not for many people.
Its a problem where Japan has one extreme, the West has the other, and both could learn from each on it.
I won't argue a lot of the systems making up the background in some series are ridiculous. Heck Attack on Titan is now almost entirely known for trying to present something as the correct choice and failing so badly it ruined its legacy retroactively. I just find the idea of it being Satanic specifically unfounded.
I guess my idea of what is satanic in media is different to most people who've commented. I'm guessing you're trying to see some occult references, devil symbolism, rituals, that sort.. I see it as the destruction of what it means to be human, and the control system that ensures that while severing ties to a higher self/being/spirit/purpose, torture in a sense
Attack on Titan... you reminded me about that series. Thinking about it there are elements to it that are satanic in my view that might fit the other definition. The world has been placed into a system that feeds off of the suffering and continued torture of the people
Marley and Paradis have been told a false history that has controlled how they perceive and the world & respond to it. Going on for generations
Instead of looking within to achieve personal growth, everyone is always externalising hatred and blame, which only serves to further the lie. To further this control system of the mind
If you want to see the ritual element of the satanism portrayed in the series, the people of paradis are routinely assaulted by Titans sent from Marley. They have no knowledge of it, Marley has no knowledge that Paradis have forgotten the past. It's a vicious cycle of senseless slaughter, blood ritual
Then there is the child sacrificial ritual. In Paradis the Titans have made life so bad that done if the children (the protag group we follow) have no issue risking their life to fight off Titans. They willingly play along into the ritual. The higher ups in Paradis kind of knew the true history and still permit sending kids to be slaughtered despite that.
Then in Marley the children are even more brainwashed through historical guilt that they too are eager to give up their lives for the "greater good", to also participate in the mind control system so that it continues to function. Some want to become Titans, discarding their human selves, just so they get an edge in the blood ritual. The adults demand it or encourage it, for the sake of reparations and making peace
It's not all anime of course, but there are just some that stand out too much that I can't unsee it. The problem is that it's becoming normalised. When you're shown so many representations of a world that wants to break you, but to reject it means ostracism from society ... Would you be surprised or not bat an eye when that same kind of world is at your doorstep?
The literal Satanic Bible is a book. The Actual Literal Bible is a book as well, is it ruined by sharing that space with the other? I don't judge every book on it being in the same medium as the very foundational text of the entire Church of Satan, nor its numerous offshoots.
That's why I reject the entire premise you are trying to build. Because its based on reducing an entire medium of media/entertainment because a few are made in a way you consider degenerative.
So you just confirmed it for me. The No camp just see the book and just draw the links from the book. It's all fiction right?
I see it as how the ideas from that book or any other book influence people, how it leads them to act and then the overall trajectory of things based to the sum of those actions.
What do you think the logical conclusion is after generations of media continuously pushing imagery of a 2-tier society, with the lower end suffering mentally, physically, etc. ... fictional worlds where broken people are commonplace and is just the ways things are ... and that this type of society is well established... with the main plot points being the struggle to reject or reinforce that society ... and that when the unwanted parts start to break through into our society because of "progress" ?
I had to compromise and weaken the argument with that comment you quoted just because it was obvious that it didn't have to be said. But this topic was loaded from the start, I should've understood that. People only wanna see a binary hard Yes or hard No.
My stance is always "Yes there is something to it, and here's why". By saying No, end of the story. By saying Maybe it's basically gonna be the same as saying No since the entire stance can be dismantled by poking at the exceptions. I decided to commit to saying Yes.
The entire medium is muddied, yes. Some satanic influences the way I see it and some not.....
....Pretty much everything is muddied so ok I agree with you! There is nothing satanic about anime. Nothing at all. Nothing satanic at all in this world, it's just crazy talk. This legalisation of child pedophilia, transgenderism, slave-like work life balance, all of it. All of topics in KIA are all bullshit dumbass overreactions because there's no deeper meaning behind anything people do. They all just do random dumbass things that we laugh at, because we just laugh for no reason at all.
There is no degeneracy in the world today. All these lady boys and rainbow hair-coloured crossdressers should account for more of the population, it's just progress. They definitely weren't conditioned over a period of decades watching anime. They just felt like doing it one day.
Someone whose moral fortitude and spiritual grounding is so weak that certain things can lead them that far astray will be lead astray by anything. An addict is an addict because of who they are as a person, the cigs or booze are just the avenue in which is manifests.
You can say certain temptations and ideas can tip them over the edge, and it would be 100% valid. But to say it caused it to happen denies human agency while giving it to inanimate objects.
For a direct example, the Slice of Life, moe blob, romcom anime genres are a symptom of Japan's societal ills of high stress lives with an overtly romanticized view of high school and love they can no longer return to. These things aren't making them herbivore, submissive men lost in 2D. Its allowing them to have a cheap medicine to heal an ailing mental state caused by another usually unrelated problem.
Same with most Satanic anything. You don't prevent it by removing all the toys they play with. It didn't work in the 80/90s from any of our parents and it won't work now. You address why they seek these things, and remove the desire to seek them entirely. The same way you don't cure junkies by hiding needles, you need to actually commit to undoing what is making them turn to drugs.
I know you are mad because your argument got disagreed with but that's the cost of saying some controversial shit and trying to act high and mighty about it. If you want to say Anime is Satanic, you need to bring harder proof than that instead of just whining wildly about how society is so degenerate so anything they like is also evil.
Do you prefer stories where the heroes are perpetually the "rebel group" against the "oppressor empire" like in western shows? Even when it didnt make sense like the star wars sequels? like how SJWs see themselves as?.
"Expose" and dismantle the system can easily also be seen as a Marxist thing as well. Marxists like to "expose" all the "faults" of society to create some revolution to take over.
No, I would like them if there was a reasonable basis for it. But thinking about it there are very few media that I can recall that actually has a good rebel vs authority storyline
Re: the Marxist thing -- yes that is part of it exactly. Some of these villains get so much adoration desire being psychopathic
I think you got my stance on this mixed up. I'm not vouching for one side or the other within storylines, I was pointing out my take on how this is all presented to us
loli is a body type not an age. And people like to ignore shota which leads me to believe the whole anti loli crusade that started only recently, is more feminists bitching about cute female characters. .
sure it's a body type. but the imagery is still powerful. a lot of people who are totally into it may eventually see them as no different to children
it's so widespread that the loli is normalised
its been around for decades. Since anime has been around in fact. And Japan has a lower child sexual abuse rate than the west https://postimg.cc/ykCT3bFd . Parents even allow 1st grade kids to walk to school on their own.
What about the impact on westerners? That appears to be what this topic is hinting towards
What impact on westerners? If it hasn't impacted Japanese I don't see why it would be different for westerners.
Just look at the fandoms for anything. Anime fans, comic book fans, movie fans, literature fans.
The furry example is a good bridge to the Loli.
They may not wanna fuck them but they wanna become them. Then groups of them become them and wanna fuck each other within the group.
It seems harmless at the moment but it could start a slippery slope like gay to LGBT to drag bordering on grooming kids if these groups get a little bigger and more vocal.
To the first point because the represent Loli like real life people, it again makes it appear harmless and related to fiction. But over time the appeal gains traction as it becomes more mainstream, normalised, and as more fans cross boundaries with their fandom. I see it happening more in the West first
Princes of Yen (also a good book) lays out that the Americans put all the zaibatsu back in charge of the economy post-war, and they did a pretty good job. Then, predatory western capital wanted a piece of pie, but the only way to get in was to purposefully cause a bubble to break the whole system. The simplified version is that the zaibatsus focused all new money investment into capital expansion, and the bubble was caused by economic sabatuers pivoting the banks towards dumping newly created money into speculation.
I'd say more Luciferic than Satanic. Modern western media is more Satanic.
I see isekai as a method for conditioning the audience to warm up to a transhuman/post-human life in some way. i mean, "look at all these wonderful places to explore and abilities you have, not like in the real world that god made for us!"
This is a schizophrenic retarded take.
Like it or not that's my take
https://nitter.net/JasonSCampbell/status/1581989699501010944
Can't tell if sarcastic or a faggot.
If we were being honest, he's less of a faggot than adults who watch cartoons, and has a lot more going on in his life than those who do.
You've admitted you dont watch anime then maybe you shouldnt just dismiss it as "just cartoons" . There are many animes that are absolutely not for children and have stories and themes only adults can understand and with animation because its drawn you can more freely convey and create scenes than normal movies, that is more limited.
Also Walsh is an establishment shill and a zionist that tells people they are "wicked" for noticing jewish power
yeah
sure
reasonable
lol no
t. soft weeb
https://nitter.net/MattWalshBlog/status/1582047244663914502
Learn to laugh
Anyone who countersignals anime is never going to make it
Writing off an entire medium because its foreign and you dont get it, is retarded its back to the whole "pokemon is satanic' BS.
All the retards here unironically taking this seriously
This is the same guy who said that if his wife ever looked at porn it would constitute a marital crisis.
He's a good man.
I actually don't disagree. But to me that was an extreme position to take, although in the end it's between him and his wife. And it's eminently better than the clowns who treat marriage like a joke, I suppose.
Still not forgiven the Japanese for that time they kicked the Christians out huh?
Anime is weird depending where you jump in, I started watching one about Maid cafes and it turned into John Wick with an idol song..