posted ago by FuckGenderPolitics ago by FuckGenderPolitics +52 / -0

In light of the Kiwi Farms situation this is a discussion that we really need to have, and I think the demographic of this community in particular makes it a really good place to talk about this. I'm hoping that this thread can be of use to the admins of this site, and maybe even Kiwi Farms or anyone looking to keep a website up in the face of the kind of concerted troon attacks that Kiwi Farms is experiencing. I wanted to ask our more technically inclined users:

a) Is troon proofing a website possible?

b) If so how do you do it?

My understanding is that you need your own servers, a domain name, DDoS protection, and a way to protect against hackers. But this isn't my area of expertise and I may be missing something. In any case it would be necessary to troon proof every link in the chain. I'm interesting to hear what the community thinks about this.

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ghostfox1_ 54 points ago +56 / -2

The better solution is getting rid of trannies

Flarisu 20 points ago +20 / -0

The rope only goes so far.

Get it?

ProdigalPlaneswalker 7 points ago +7 / -0

on a long enough timeline, 42% of the problem takes care of itself

CarmenOfSandiego 12 points ago +12 / -0

Problem is that gets offset by grooming more disillusioned children into the fold so the 42% doesn't result in a net loss.

elleand202 31 points ago +31 / -0

You have to use providers that aren’t intimidated by woke mobs. This site uses Epik as its domain registrar for example.

Null was apparently hosting the farms on a physical server in a data center in Ukraine. Eastern Europe is far less likely to be swayed by tranny mobs than in the U.S.

I don’t have a good answer for DDOS protection or routing or ISPs though.

AbleistSL 10 points ago +10 / -0

Null needs to host the server on hardware he actually owns, and he should start hosting the domain himself.

Ender910 10 points ago +10 / -0

He has been iirc, but he still needs to address the ddosing. Which he's been working on, but he's supposedly had some looming IRL stuff going on for a while now. Sounded to me like a family member being terminally ill or something.

Vebent 10 points ago +10 / -0

They’re going fucking hard against Null. Been watching his telegram and the troons are going as far as keeping him from having a forwarding address and telephone number. The agent he used for that dropped him because of “ties to Russia”. Now that he’s lost that I wouldn’t be surprised that they find his real address and phone number.

WhitePhoenix 9 points ago +9 / -0

He does buddy. He literally owns the ground and the hardware.

Assassin47 3 points ago +3 / -0

As long as you have multiple redundant failover hosts on encrypted disks, using colocated servers or VPS should be fine.

elleand202 9 points ago +9 / -0

What the Pirate Bay has been doing apparently is that they locate their servers on multiple redundant commercial instances but tunnel to them by VPN from a "front door" that the public reaches through the public URL. The hosting providers normally don't know that they are hosting the Pirate Bay and when a hosting instance is occasionally shut down, the other redundant instances pick up the slack.

Assassin47 6 points ago +6 / -0

That's exactly what I mean, yes. I remembered reading their methodology before. Forgot to mention the VPN part.

Honeypot02 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah I understand the server/cache issues (those require complex systems and a lot of the alt tech options are terrible) but hosting the domain on cloudflare when Epik exists is just plain stupid. There are a million domain hosts and most of them won’t pull your domain for nonsense

I suppose it was a simple oversight but still

AbleistSL 2 points ago +2 / -0

The issue with epik os that they hate chan sites such as 8chan, trolling communites such as the Kiwi Farms, and sites dedicated to actual hate speech like the daily stormer.

acp_k2win 24 points ago +24 / -0

register domains and get hosting that isnt in a country that hosts buttsex parades and isnt china

LinkR 19 points ago +19 / -0

If it were that simple, Null would have done that a looong time ago.

Assassin47 3 points ago +3 / -0

Perhaps he enjoys the buttsex from time to time.

Gazerbeam 23 points ago +23 / -0

It doesn't seem to be possible. The troons and the state actors behind them control the backbones and the payment processors.

NotAGlowy 4 points ago +4 / -0

Gab+wikileaks survive and are attacked by every socialist government and activist payment processor.

lgbtqwtfbbq 21 points ago +21 / -0

Basically you take either the Gab Approach or The Pirate Bay Approach

Gab Approach: own and control everything. You are in effect your own ISP, hosting provider, and service provider. You are a singular target that must be taken down, but a successful attack takes everything down.

The Pirate Bay Approach: spread the system out as much as possible around the world and try to blend in with everyone else. Idea is that hosting providers don't know they're hosting part of TPB, and the expectation is that bits and pieces will be eventually shut down, but you make it easy to quickly migrate it somewhere else.

Both have merits. Gab Approach probably works better for a company since the company itself is already a single point of failure. TPB Approach is probably a better approach for something like Kiwi Farms.

Honeypot02 8 points ago +8 / -0

Well the Gab approach is better so long as you’re not being hunted by governments and are profitable, TPB did what they did out of necessity

lgbtqwtfbbq 7 points ago +7 / -0

Gab being a company is already at the mercy of government: government declares Gab illegal and that's the end of Gab, because they don't really exist outside of the company. So from that standpoint they might as well control everything.

Kiwi farms is a couple dudes running a site. They don't have nearly the same level of formal organization as Gab does. So it makes sense for them being more of a loose association to keep their infrastructure loose as well.

WhitePhoenix 3 points ago +3 / -0

Who does Gab use for their DDOS protection? That's what took KiwiFarms down. Josh used Cloudflare. If gab uses Cloudflare then they're just as fucked.

Hand_Of_Node 14 points ago +14 / -0

You can't have a "webbsite as on the internet" (1) without the agreement and cooperation of numerous other people and companies, and those are all reachable by the trannies and their handlers. Both of those will need to be exterminated.

  1. Either I'm spelling that meme wrong, or google has scrubbed it. Re: that idiot marketing guy 10 years ago who harrassed some kid and bragged about his internet skills, then the whole internet heard about it and 'made him famous'.
TheKidsAreAltRight 12 points ago +12 / -0

Unironically ban all IDPOL and identity labels. Sex, race, all of it.

'Tits or GTFO' is a thing because of narcissists who can't go without attention so play the "I'm a girl" card when it doesn't have any relevance to what is going on. Anyone tries to leverage sex or race or any other pointless characteristic then give them one warning to stop being a whiney faggot and if they continue then ban them.

The Internet was a better place when everyone was just another anon and there was no tiptoeing around a conversation just because someone claimed they had tits.

NotAGlowy 8 points ago +8 / -0

Alternatively - force everyone to say the N-word in each comment.

Then you know they are not fragile professional victims!

LibertyPrimeWasRight 6 points ago +6 / -0

That’s a good idea, nigger.

MassivePecorino 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is an excellent idea, my nigger.

dnile1000bc 11 points ago +11 / -0

It would be the same strategy as trying to feminist or copyright nazi proof your website. The pirate bay has a dynamic dns setup I believe.

Unknownsailor 11 points ago +11 / -0

Rule 2 keeps me from saying anything more than this:

Kinda hard to attack a website if you aren't around to do it.

WhitePhoenix 10 points ago +10 / -0

Here's the problem. Josh owns almost everything, from the VERY GROUND his data center is in, all the way right up to when the Internet leaves his data center. Yes, he's a landchad that literally fucking did the equivalent of starting his own EVERYTHING. He owns all of it, and the only thing he didn't own was the DDOS protection (because DDOS protection is prohibitively expensive to run, Josh simply doesn't have the money or capacity to do it - you'd need someone like Oracle's former CEO kind of money to do it).

Josh owned the hardware, the code (he built his own forum software) and his own hosting, the whole fucking thing and they STILL managed to take him down because some of Keffals' mangirl troon squad brigade decided to do some slacktivism by firing their LOICs at Josh and DDOS services cucking to them.

The troon brigade and its NPC defenders are basically able to take advantage of the weaknesses in our current system to shut down Josh. As Josh pointed out in his telegram, several companies that swore they'd stand up against the troon brigade buckled really quickly.

They're even going after one of the 5 private Internet companies that keeps track of static IP addresses (he owns 2 or 3 I believe) and they want Josh to LOSE those addresses as well.

This is the equivalent of these faggots going to these IP registrars and demanding all the IP numbers that Spectrum etc owns to be removed from them. They obviously can't do that to Spectrum, but Josh is ONE guy... very easy to just have him lose that access.

Basically he can't even stay up despite LOLBERTARIANS saying for him to build his own. Josh is going against a narmy with faggots who will lie cheat and steal to get him off the net.

reidj 4 points ago +4 / -0

What are we at now? "Build you own worldwide computer network?"

lapalapa 10 points ago +10 / -0

Crucifixes. It's not irony.

Adamrises 9 points ago +9 / -0

You won't be able to. Most troons start out as nerdy guys, a staple of almost any website, who over time (or sometimes rapidly with a push) transform because they lack a solid sense of self.

Its rarer for a troon to invade than to have a regular user simply become a troon. They'll even still laugh at all the same tranny jokes, while secretly becoming more seething about them until they start planting little landmines in the mods/admins/etc for when they pop.

OBRIENMUSTSUFFER 8 points ago +8 / -0

Ban porn and make sure to kick out any users that are under 18, that should take care of most trannies right there.

NigaroFagetsu-kun 7 points ago +7 / -0

This is the way. Porn is a powerful weapon in the hands of a troon; not only do they use it to shit up a site, but it's an ever growing safe harbor community for other trannies wandering through while simultaneously discouraging normal new users. Its the reason I came here after ruqqus instead of talk, goatpen, discussions etc. They all had porn, and they all had subversives trooning around. The very nature of porn leads to trooning as well. When community creation opened up here, the first communities opened by subversive r drama troons were pornographic. Porn is a key, fundamental element to the entire tranny worldview and without it they can't continue to troon.

I know someone is going to go on about muh free speech website, but the world isn't the sterile petri dish libertarians belive it to be. If you have a free speech site, you're going to get troons and degenerate subversives who will drive it into the ground the first chance they get. Just like in real life, 1-2% of the population can subvert the entire system if 95% of the population doesn't understand how, know, or care that they're being subverted. The remaining 5% have to deal with that 2% subversive element or it will destroy the entire society. And thus, no porn communities.

Decrixxx 7 points ago +7 / -0

this is a copy pasta from the guy holding the daily stormer


elleand202 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is probably one of the best write-ups. Here's the link to the original.

Benevolentdictator 7 points ago +7 / -0

With the caveat that I am a luddite with no technical knowledge whatsoever, Null talked about the monolithic challenge on the Mad At The Internet livestream with Metokur Sept 17th.

Null addressed that there are very few safe havens for Western-based sites.

Russia and China aren't as permissive to heterodox Western groups as you might hope they would be.

Sanctuaries like the Seychelles don't have the infrastructure required for the bandwidth a site like KF needs.

Null talked about how he believes a rogue Alphabet employee fucked up his personal Google Voice functionality so insidiously that Google support couldn't detect it.

He also listed a bunch of countries, mostly in Europe like Finland and Lichtenstein, that he or his lawyer had researched, but couldn't find any loopholes to hide from globohomo.

JustHereForTheSalmon 5 points ago +5 / -0

a) is potentially possible, but real solutions violate rule 2.

If that's off the table, no, no you cannot.

At some point, there is a transition from meatspace to cyberspace. Be it the transfer of real money into a pocket that goes towards a bill, a visit to your local colo center to configure some hardware, to government-endorsed spooks that are backing globohomo's interests.

Even if Moon had his own building and somehow managed to sheathe his fiber in adamantium all the way to the backbone switch, he'll just find himself mowed down by a leftist's car when he goes out to buy some toothpaste.

LibertyPrimeWasRight 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don’t think it’s possible in a practical sense.

Own the server, own the domain name, have a based registrar, DDoS prevention, all that is hard but possible. Making it 100% hack proof is never going to happen without removing all the accessibility that makes a forum worth having.

Footsoldier 2 points ago +2 / -0

You can't. You can only troon-proof yourself. Websites come and go. So many of my favourite places on the internet are gone because of the powers that be.

AcidOverlord 2 points ago +2 / -0

Some of us are making an attempt at it. The big problem is a combination of governments tacitly allowing illegal attacks on lawful websites that they just don't like (nobody is gonna investigate the DDoS attacks against KF and no one will ever be prosecuted for it) and there being a near monopoly on open market DDoS prevention. Seriously Cloudflare is 99.999% of that market and the remaining .0001% is like 3 other companies, and ALL of them are cucks. So you have no means to protect yourself or be protected and the government won't protect you. Its Anarcho Tyranny Online, which should be the name of a cyberpunk MMO and not hard legal reality.

On our site we came up with our own traffic distribution ideas that provide a pseudo-DDoS mitigation effort - basically mini cloudflare, but its relatively expensive to operate. A few hundred dollars a month just for one site, not including costs of the site itself. And if we REALLY get slamma-jamma'd it would get even pricier as we scale it up. Josh apparently has a similar idea, but he's going to run into predictable problems that his model doesn't account for. Namely what do you do when your subnet gets blackhole'd by cucked upstream network providers and backbone peers. We're working on a peer-to-peer alternative that may help, and allow us to help other sites too, but people are going to have to get used o the idea of paying more money if you want free speech. This whole thing is a backdoor Shitlord Tax and the troons are the tax collectors.

TheImpossible1 0 points ago +7 / -7

Well, considering they're puppets of powerful feminist interests...

Remember that the person at CloudFlare that pulled the plug was openly feminist.