I'd like to add to your argument about the media creating the "culture" as opposed to operating in it or reporting on it, but my example is a little different. Have you ever noticed the New York Times book bestsellers section isn't based on pure numbers of book units sold? It's a curated list of books the times views as important books.
And people just assume that those books are popular and important and will read them to be in the know. The books themselves will advertise they are on the NYT Bestseller list and the normies go, it must be good everyone seems to enjoy it. Is it the biggest conspiracy in the world, no but it is the media subtly influcing the public with insinuation.
Your example is the NYT blatantly lying, not subtly influencing public opinion. The funny thing is they could name the list something with no objective standard ("best" or "most impactful" are just 2 examples that come to mind here) like the various Pedowood award shows and it would achieve its purpose of conning normies into consuming their slop.
They usually go for the "real women are thicc". And children are thin, therefore you are a pedophile. Doesnt help when the prevailing narrative from the SIMPs backs it up.
As much as I like rap music, I didn't like the fact the popular pop or grunge rock songs no longer had any instrumental break or guitar solos when in the 90's, average grunge rock had a few guitar solos and in the 80's average pop songs had some good guitar solos. That was extremely noticeable that someone was pulling the string behind the scene which thing gets popular. At the time I noticed it, I took a break listening to rap music and started searching for death metal music.
Obviously other than skill & the inclusion of guitar instrumentals, I wonder if the instrumental guitar solo died because of radio play.
Presumably there was a push to have radio edits of popular songs be shorter to run more ads, have more inane DJ bumpers & morning zoo bs, squeeze in more of the Top 40 repeats to fulfill contractual obligations for exposure, etc.
The lyricless instrumental solos are surely one of the first victims when trying to truncate radio edits for the most popular songs when everything in corporate radio gets min/maxed.
I remember Richard Spencer ranting about the "negroidification" of beauty standards in the late 2010s. I was skeptical of him at the time, but that was one of the things that made sense instantly.
The picture isn't as bleak as you painted though, for a few reasons. "Thicc" has been so diluted as a buzzword that it can basically refer to any girl who isn't anorexically thin. Pokimane built half her career on the "thicc" meme and she has clearly never weighed over 115 in her life. The other thing is that white people mostly switched to backchannel routes when the mainstream culture started pushing ginormous butts. IG models, cosplay, streamers, Asian girls, anime, etc. The thin girl aesthetic just went to alt celebs like Emiru.
The damage has been done and female slobs got more slack, but I promise you, all of them know that most guys like thinner girls. The hip hop astroturf is also on its way out. Honestly, I think music celebrities have taken a hit overall just like all the others, but that's another topic.
I can't stand any of it. About the only thing more of a turnoff than oversized jiggly crap is piercings and brown skin. There was nothing wrong with a nice correctly proportioned woman that carried herself like she'd be a good mother and keeper of house.
Leftist whites abandoned their own culture for black culture as an act of contrition for the (exclusively white) sin of racism. This behavior was then demonized as appropriation, which forced leftist whites to adopt LGBTQ ideology because it was the only remaining "good" lifestyle choice.
I’ve heard for years the idea of pushing the most degenerate rap forefront being an agenda and Billy Corgan was giving an interview talking about the decline of rock bands and I plan on looking further into that. I guess one thing hip hop did when I was in my teens was expose me to older music thanks to sampling. I became obsessed with finding where they got the melody/beat from so I got into rock, jazz, old R&B, and Funk that way. My love of 50s rock opened me up to country, blues, bluegrass, and folk.
The whole “thicc” thing sort of ties into the whole “body positivity” movement which reminds me how a man will get so much flack for saying he doesn’t want to date a big woman but a woman can have all sorts of ridiculous standards.
Sorry for the tangent but I have heard this mentioned recently and it doesn’t surprise me
I was recently discussing on the Fediverse how the majority of Gen Z has absolutely no interest in the "barely legal college girl" and instead so much interest in older MILFs and cougars with thicc bodies. As a millennial man in his 40s who grew up with Britney Spears and advertisements for Girls Gone Wild I find it very strange.
This place whines about "culture" all the time and then presents nearly none of it's own. As if "culture" is anything other than a distraction. Good lord what a waste of words.
irrespective of what OP's purpose with this post is (if he's pro jew, pro war then yeah, this post going on and on about asses is suspect) culture is still important. in fact you touch on a pretty core issue with our side of things in general: we present no culture of our own. we go on about the current cultures, current attempts to sway said cultures one way or the other, go on about how we like or don't like this or that, but never take the position of culture creators.
i come from a game development background and frankly i'm shocked nobody here has even given game dev a good old college try. like, there's constant glorification and idolization of the 90s 5 guys in a garage with PCs style of game dev, but no attempt to recreate it? why not? is this forum just that lazy, that inactive?
for what it's worth i'm putting my money where my mouth is, i hope to do what you say and present some culture of my own later this year with a project i and a team have worked on for over a year now.
Out of every 90s girl he listed the only one even remotely close to a stick figure was Gellar. Again, if you have a fatty fetish more power to you, you save those whales, but don’t pretend Venus de Milo was “thicc” and not almost the exact same body shape as Tiffani Amber Thiessen in the 90s
To be fair the high fashion industry did/does promote 'skeletons'. High fashion models never had healthy body proportions. But high fashion targets women and not men.
Anyway high fashion didn't manage to make skeletons sex symbols in the eyes of men nor has the woke era managed to make obese women with asses the size of a pickup truck sex symbols. At least not among White men.
It was about the body positivity movement. Pushing a consensus that empowered white women to blame white men and embrace race mixing. Hitching it to rap was just convenient.
Rock also almost dissolved in the 90s. Grunge and the small venue movement shifted it and there was a period where music piracy was demolishing the bottom line because they were neither making a fortune on stadium shows nor selling albums. That took a long time to sort out and was a colossal fuck up by the cabals not factoring in the internet. Rock culture was broken by that miscalculation.
Rap already had a strong indy scene because of all the hoop dreams people wanting to do it for almost free and the ones who were supported by drug and gang income. They got dominant for awhile and it did fuck all to beauty standards.
Beauty standards got negrofied when (((social engineers))) decided to promote body positivity. Then it snowballed during gamergate and metoo.
It's going to about face now because of GLP-1 drugs. GLP-1s reduce novelty seeking behavior and this is extremely desirable, so these are going to get pushed hard. Less addiction means less money, but it's not about that. People will just be OK doing the same old same old without being bored. They'll shelter in place until the day they die as these drugs improve. And the THICC girls are going to get indignant, but no one will give a shit and they'll slim down when they start taking the drugs.
They systematically attacked Western Eurocentric beauty standards as racist, then proceeded to replace it with those bwap hogs that are associated with the rap/hiphop/urban scene, under the guise of 'anti-racism' (read: anti-white'ism) and 'body positivity'.
The music industry is not a reflection of the cultural zeitgeist. Instead, it's an attempt at influencing it from the top. With the 'top' being the left-progressive ivory tower elite of the two coasts.
The music industry is left-progressive to the extreme and is aligned with the DNC.
Women have always been targeted with damaging, unhealthy psychological marketing campaigns but it was the opposite of what you are saying: supermodels and female idols have suffered from dietary disorders such as bulimia and body dysphoria such as anorexia resulting in these ultra-skinny models with gaunt faces being considered the norm by the mejdia, effectively transmitting these psychological disorders to young, impressionable women. It had to be shattered.
The body positivity movement could have been a great thing for women, and in some ways it has been, but it has been taken to unhealthy extremes (of course) because it was spearheaded by the same medja peojple responsible for the other campaigns.
Overweight is better than underweight from a medical perspective. So there's that.
I wouldn't even say it was 'black culture' thing, this is just appealing to what we USED to have as back when food security wasn't as much a thing, actually having some weight was attractive as it showed you'd secured a reliable source of food, something for future children.
Once food security especially food preservation became a lot more reliable, that went away for more focus on being optimised like stronger, leaner and better endurance. You can see this difference throughout the centuries of cultures with better food security from the Greeks to renaissance to their depiction of female beauty compared to tribal depictions of female beauty.
So it is wired into us but 'thicc' as you describe is the other side of the coin as anorexic, that and obese are ways to enforce standards that would not make the population strong as how many times have we heard 'gyms are right wing'? As think about how they psy op black men with fat white women?
I hate to say this but i’m one of those guys that loooves thicc (not to be confused with morbidly disgustingly obese in all the wrong places and YES there is a difference - celebrating being a fat tub of shit isn’t the same as being genetically predisposed to having thicker thighs).
Baby Got Back talks about girls with thin waists and big round booties. Certainly not fat girls. Smaller butts weren't always the thing, it was from the 60s through 90s and then it changed. There were eras prior to that where people liked butts and then when they didn't. Tastes change.
Nonsense. There are plenty of slim girls with genetics that give plump asses. No different than women who are slim but have genetics that yield big breasts.
Yes and no. You're right about 1990s to 2000s being forced. But going back further you've got reference points like Marilyn Monroe and Sophia Loren types. Not fat, but certainly not 90s chic either.
I don't think liking the Christina Hendricks or Sofia Vergara body types is a media trick. But there's no common definition for "thick." Is it curvy? Hourglass? Outright hamplanet? Depends on the speaker.
I'm not saying she was plus-sized or anything like that. But compared to many of OP's "teen heartthrob" examples, she was more full-figured. I guess that would be the term? It's hard to even describe body types anymore because so much of the language has been hijacked.
I'd like to add to your argument about the media creating the "culture" as opposed to operating in it or reporting on it, but my example is a little different. Have you ever noticed the New York Times book bestsellers section isn't based on pure numbers of book units sold? It's a curated list of books the times views as important books.
And people just assume that those books are popular and important and will read them to be in the know. The books themselves will advertise they are on the NYT Bestseller list and the normies go, it must be good everyone seems to enjoy it. Is it the biggest conspiracy in the world, no but it is the media subtly influcing the public with insinuation.
I 'member
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-supreme-court/1843273.html
Your example is the NYT blatantly lying, not subtly influencing public opinion. The funny thing is they could name the list something with no objective standard ("best" or "most impactful" are just 2 examples that come to mind here) like the various Pedowood award shows and it would achieve its purpose of conning normies into consuming their slop.
Now they're pushing mystery meat androgynous zendaya/chalamet things with flat chest and no waist no muscles so they all look like teenage boys
They usually go for the "real women are thicc". And children are thin, therefore you are a pedophile. Doesnt help when the prevailing narrative from the SIMPs backs it up.
I knew from the start. I’ll stick with my thin white women.
Academic Agent did a one-hour review on how rap was astroturfed to replace rock last year
IIRC, like Every Single Time, it came down to a couple of recording industry Jews that owned all the rap labels.
As much as I like rap music, I didn't like the fact the popular pop or grunge rock songs no longer had any instrumental break or guitar solos when in the 90's, average grunge rock had a few guitar solos and in the 80's average pop songs had some good guitar solos. That was extremely noticeable that someone was pulling the string behind the scene which thing gets popular. At the time I noticed it, I took a break listening to rap music and started searching for death metal music.
Obviously other than skill & the inclusion of guitar instrumentals, I wonder if the instrumental guitar solo died because of radio play.
Presumably there was a push to have radio edits of popular songs be shorter to run more ads, have more inane DJ bumpers & morning zoo bs, squeeze in more of the Top 40 repeats to fulfill contractual obligations for exposure, etc.
The lyricless instrumental solos are surely one of the first victims when trying to truncate radio edits for the most popular songs when everything in corporate radio gets min/maxed.
I remember Richard Spencer ranting about the "negroidification" of beauty standards in the late 2010s. I was skeptical of him at the time, but that was one of the things that made sense instantly.
The picture isn't as bleak as you painted though, for a few reasons. "Thicc" has been so diluted as a buzzword that it can basically refer to any girl who isn't anorexically thin. Pokimane built half her career on the "thicc" meme and she has clearly never weighed over 115 in her life. The other thing is that white people mostly switched to backchannel routes when the mainstream culture started pushing ginormous butts. IG models, cosplay, streamers, Asian girls, anime, etc. The thin girl aesthetic just went to alt celebs like Emiru.
The damage has been done and female slobs got more slack, but I promise you, all of them know that most guys like thinner girls. The hip hop astroturf is also on its way out. Honestly, I think music celebrities have taken a hit overall just like all the others, but that's another topic.
I can't stand any of it. About the only thing more of a turnoff than oversized jiggly crap is piercings and brown skin. There was nothing wrong with a nice correctly proportioned woman that carried herself like she'd be a good mother and keeper of house.
Leftist whites abandoned their own culture for black culture as an act of contrition for the (exclusively white) sin of racism. This behavior was then demonized as appropriation, which forced leftist whites to adopt LGBTQ ideology because it was the only remaining "good" lifestyle choice.
I’ve heard for years the idea of pushing the most degenerate rap forefront being an agenda and Billy Corgan was giving an interview talking about the decline of rock bands and I plan on looking further into that. I guess one thing hip hop did when I was in my teens was expose me to older music thanks to sampling. I became obsessed with finding where they got the melody/beat from so I got into rock, jazz, old R&B, and Funk that way. My love of 50s rock opened me up to country, blues, bluegrass, and folk.
The whole “thicc” thing sort of ties into the whole “body positivity” movement which reminds me how a man will get so much flack for saying he doesn’t want to date a big woman but a woman can have all sorts of ridiculous standards.
Sorry for the tangent but I have heard this mentioned recently and it doesn’t surprise me
I was recently discussing on the Fediverse how the majority of Gen Z has absolutely no interest in the "barely legal college girl" and instead so much interest in older MILFs and cougars with thicc bodies. As a millennial man in his 40s who grew up with Britney Spears and advertisements for Girls Gone Wild I find it very strange.
They take children to islands and rape them.
They start WW3 like it's nothing.
Who gives a fuck about "thicc?" Are you serious?
This place whines about "culture" all the time and then presents nearly none of it's own. As if "culture" is anything other than a distraction. Good lord what a waste of words.
He's a shill for Jews and fully supports the war.
irrespective of what OP's purpose with this post is (if he's pro jew, pro war then yeah, this post going on and on about asses is suspect) culture is still important. in fact you touch on a pretty core issue with our side of things in general: we present no culture of our own. we go on about the current cultures, current attempts to sway said cultures one way or the other, go on about how we like or don't like this or that, but never take the position of culture creators.
i come from a game development background and frankly i'm shocked nobody here has even given game dev a good old college try. like, there's constant glorification and idolization of the 90s 5 guys in a garage with PCs style of game dev, but no attempt to recreate it? why not? is this forum just that lazy, that inactive?
for what it's worth i'm putting my money where my mouth is, i hope to do what you say and present some culture of my own later this year with a project i and a team have worked on for over a year now.
Look at his name. He showed up right as the Iran and Palestine stuff started up last year.
Thicc doesn't mean fat. That was the retarded fat acceptance people. Thicc is gym fit
No, no it is not. It was always about fat.
No, not at all. The women you mentioned just had a lot less muscle.
What you like is higher body fat % but lower weight. What he's describing is usually a lower body fat % but higher weight.
"Thicc" as the dominant form of popular attractiveness
citation needed.
most times I see "thicc" used it is as a joke.
It's dominant in the media. But not in reality.
Ah yes, the first thing one ever thinks of when looking at the Venus de Milo is large hips…
Unless your definition of large hips is just the average slightly fit female form, you’re talking out a morbidly obese ghetto ass.
Out of every 90s girl he listed the only one even remotely close to a stick figure was Gellar. Again, if you have a fatty fetish more power to you, you save those whales, but don’t pretend Venus de Milo was “thicc” and not almost the exact same body shape as Tiffani Amber Thiessen in the 90s
In my mind's eye, Thiessen was the only one that was on the list that I remembered being voluptuous and not necessarily thin.
But going back to look at some pictures from the era, she's pretty thin or at least athletic-looking in most of them.
She was bustier than most on that list so definitely more voluptuous in that sense.
Yeah, that's probably what I'm remembering.
Especially her post-Saved-by-the-Bell Maxim/FHM phase.
“Tiffani Amber Thiessen, Britney Spears, Alicia Silverstone, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and Carmen Electra were all skeletons”
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To be fair the high fashion industry did/does promote 'skeletons'. High fashion models never had healthy body proportions. But high fashion targets women and not men.
Anyway high fashion didn't manage to make skeletons sex symbols in the eyes of men nor has the woke era managed to make obese women with asses the size of a pickup truck sex symbols. At least not among White men.
Yeah but no teenager was salivating over Kate moss.
Those women are being genocided culturally and physically.
It was about the body positivity movement. Pushing a consensus that empowered white women to blame white men and embrace race mixing. Hitching it to rap was just convenient.
Rock also almost dissolved in the 90s. Grunge and the small venue movement shifted it and there was a period where music piracy was demolishing the bottom line because they were neither making a fortune on stadium shows nor selling albums. That took a long time to sort out and was a colossal fuck up by the cabals not factoring in the internet. Rock culture was broken by that miscalculation.
Rap already had a strong indy scene because of all the hoop dreams people wanting to do it for almost free and the ones who were supported by drug and gang income. They got dominant for awhile and it did fuck all to beauty standards.
Beauty standards got negrofied when (((social engineers))) decided to promote body positivity. Then it snowballed during gamergate and metoo.
It's going to about face now because of GLP-1 drugs. GLP-1s reduce novelty seeking behavior and this is extremely desirable, so these are going to get pushed hard. Less addiction means less money, but it's not about that. People will just be OK doing the same old same old without being bored. They'll shelter in place until the day they die as these drugs improve. And the THICC girls are going to get indignant, but no one will give a shit and they'll slim down when they start taking the drugs.
They systematically attacked Western Eurocentric beauty standards as racist, then proceeded to replace it with those bwap hogs that are associated with the rap/hiphop/urban scene, under the guise of 'anti-racism' (read: anti-white'ism) and 'body positivity'.
The music industry is not a reflection of the cultural zeitgeist. Instead, it's an attempt at influencing it from the top. With the 'top' being the left-progressive ivory tower elite of the two coasts.
The music industry is left-progressive to the extreme and is aligned with the DNC.
Women have always been targeted with damaging, unhealthy psychological marketing campaigns but it was the opposite of what you are saying: supermodels and female idols have suffered from dietary disorders such as bulimia and body dysphoria such as anorexia resulting in these ultra-skinny models with gaunt faces being considered the norm by the mejdia, effectively transmitting these psychological disorders to young, impressionable women. It had to be shattered.
The body positivity movement could have been a great thing for women, and in some ways it has been, but it has been taken to unhealthy extremes (of course) because it was spearheaded by the same medja peojple responsible for the other campaigns.
Overweight is better than underweight from a medical perspective. So there's that.
I think you're over thinking it. I probly am too.
I wouldn't even say it was 'black culture' thing, this is just appealing to what we USED to have as back when food security wasn't as much a thing, actually having some weight was attractive as it showed you'd secured a reliable source of food, something for future children.
Once food security especially food preservation became a lot more reliable, that went away for more focus on being optimised like stronger, leaner and better endurance. You can see this difference throughout the centuries of cultures with better food security from the Greeks to renaissance to their depiction of female beauty compared to tribal depictions of female beauty.
So it is wired into us but 'thicc' as you describe is the other side of the coin as anorexic, that and obese are ways to enforce standards that would not make the population strong as how many times have we heard 'gyms are right wing'? As think about how they psy op black men with fat white women?
I dunno man I've been banging slam pigs since the early 90s. I even married one.
White girls with big asses and wide hips have always been my thing.
And I've never intentionally listened to any "rap" a single day in my life.
I hate to say this but i’m one of those guys that loooves thicc (not to be confused with morbidly disgustingly obese in all the wrong places and YES there is a difference - celebrating being a fat tub of shit isn’t the same as being genetically predisposed to having thicker thighs).
However, I do agree with you.
Thicc was never hot. It was just cause they wanted us to like fat women since most non-Whites (blacks esp) are fat.
Baby Got Back talks about girls with thin waists and big round booties. Certainly not fat girls. Smaller butts weren't always the thing, it was from the 60s through 90s and then it changed. There were eras prior to that where people liked butts and then when they didn't. Tastes change.
Nonsense. There are plenty of slim girls with genetics that give plump asses. No different than women who are slim but have genetics that yield big breasts.
Yes and no. You're right about 1990s to 2000s being forced. But going back further you've got reference points like Marilyn Monroe and Sophia Loren types. Not fat, but certainly not 90s chic either.
I don't think liking the Christina Hendricks or Sofia Vergara body types is a media trick. But there's no common definition for "thick." Is it curvy? Hourglass? Outright hamplanet? Depends on the speaker.
I'm not saying she was plus-sized or anything like that. But compared to many of OP's "teen heartthrob" examples, she was more full-figured. I guess that would be the term? It's hard to even describe body types anymore because so much of the language has been hijacked.
Look at the Oscars after Mounjaro.
Nobody believes “thicc” is attractive. It was always a lack of self control
I thought it was an endearing name for something big and powerful. Then again, I don't follow the language all that well.
I do however have this as my defense of the word thicc being endearing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_8WS7VDBPM
"Thick". One c. Spell it right. Retardation starts at home, don't add to the stupid.
They want thick women.
And somehow, people even in this discourse, seem to think thick == thin, rather than being diametric opposites.
Could you define the lower bound of "young"?