The wild flip-flopping between "what does DEI/woke even mean???" and "DEI/woke is a good thing," and "anti-DEI/woke is the real issue" is as insane and deranged as it is infuriating and frustrating. I can tell that it's an ideology in the throes of failure because of the inconsistent defenses for it, but it's simply so gigantic and deeply embedded in the minds and lives of the people involved, not to mention overwhelmingly well-funded, that it's probably going to take another generation and a half to seriously bleed out. I pray every day for the "...and then very suddenly all at once" to kick in before it's too late and the world is doomed to a true and lasting Dark Age that it might not recover from for centuries.
DEI is still the curriculum of basically every school from kindergarden to university. It's still doing fantastic brainwashing the vast majority of kids.
Oh, that dark age will come. The real question is if it will come for us. In the era of instant communication, and while that will fail it won't do so immediately, Rome burning wouldn't be the end-all for civilized development. The other city-states and nations would get word of it happening, and hopefully, some of them will change course in time.
There's a chance the world is doomed, but more likely, only a handful of "developed" nations will actually significantly fall.
The fear is that this is the last chance for more. We don't HAVE the petroleum to go from industrial revolution to space travel again. We have to make it work THIS time or never.
We've already lost the technology. The infrastructure and tech has long since been dismantled, and all of the high-IQ (White) men responsible for it in the first place died off or retired without training replacements. Unless the world wakes up and does the sneedful by 2030, it's all over. And with the advent of AI...
Ah, I see. And it would take too long to get new oil, because of human limited biodiversity.
But bright side, SOME country won't collapse at the same pacing, and can in theory pick up the pieces. Somewhere somewhat independent that is a bit inoculated against the mind-virus. The house of Saud, perhaps. They won't be the same pieces, but over 300 years, they could once again reform, refracture, and reform once again.
Again the fear is the same, they might, sure! Do they have the expertise for space travel? I'd there enough gold left for them to re-learn it? Do they have the tech to go nuclear before they run out of the gas to build the plants?
Space is "the enemy gate is down" it's an instant win once we manage to mine and asteroid that has more gold on it than has been mined in all human history. That's Elon's play imo, transhumanist that he is. Everything he does is in service to that, because in his mind that's the do or die condition, either he gets to space in time or humanity dies on a mud rock. And with those stakes, nothing else really matters to much.
Fits the definition I've been using the past couple years.
Woke (adj): A mental illness in which a person feels compelled to perform acts of progressive social activism within every aspect of their day to day life, including a demand that other people also be woke.
Some guy said DEI isn’t a problem but not caring about merit it the problem. He almost had a point but doesn’t realize it’s one or the other, you can’t hire the best of the best and also hire people because they aren’t straight and white.
They don't really believe it. They pretend to believe it so that they're one of the "good guys" according to the programming they've been watching all of their lives where niggers are always thoughtful, soft spoken and kind and not quick to anger, impulsive and more racist than they can possibly imagine.
It all serves to reinforce the idea that "racism" (a natural human tendency) is the worst possible thing in the world for white people (and no one else)
It is a deeply effective 60 year psyop on the founding stock of the west and the recipe for its destruction.
That’s why the Shiloh fundraiser was so awesome. She is a white person who did an overtly racist thing, which we are programmed to believe is the worst possible crime anyone can commit. But it’s not. Not even close. Murder, for example, is far worse. And everyone just watched blacks give half a million dollars to a murderer. So whites gave a million dollars to a “racist”, and the leftist outrage machine couldn’t effectively demonize us because they had already given a pass to a literal murderer.
The position would make sense if there was genuine exclusion during the time period that the current workforce was working.
Basically say
Group A has 80% good workers and 20% bad ones.
Group B has 40% good workers and 60% bad ones.
If every company decided to exclude Group B entirely from interviews, eventually they would winnow through the bad workers in Group A so that the situation was.
Group A not looking for work: 95 percent good workers and 5 percent
Group A looking for work: 24% good workers and 76% bad.
Group B looking for work: 40% good workers and 60% bad.
(I actually did the back of napkin math based on ~ 83% satisfied employment in group A with 1000 workers, some round off error expected)
So it would actually make sense if one employer bucked it and preferentially hired from group B because when you only consider the available workers, they have a better percentage.
But there hasn't been true exclusion during the last 30 years, so it doesn't work that way.
For the vast majority of people, their immediate friend group and/or social circle is very ethnically/racial homogeneous. This goes double for families, the vast vast majority of which are not interracial.
So when leftist propaganda media features perfectly curated “diverse casts” akin to a racial/gender menagerie - it shatters suspension of disbelief for most viewers. Because “one of each” is not how humans organically arrange themselves. Diversity requires coercion.
Ironically, people are way more likely to identify or relate with ethnically homogeneous media even when it is not representing their own ethnicity. That’s why Korean shows are so popular on Netflix. White peoples would rather see a coherent representation of another functional homogeneous culture - even one that is alien to their own - than a forced and dishonest representation of the nonexistent leftist ideal of “diversity”.
This worked in television and movies because those audiences are legitimately diverse. Everyone watches tv. Everyone goes to the movies (unfortunately).
Video games are a different story. Despite their comically aggressive efforts to cultivate a female player base, it’s clear that 85% or more of core gamers are male. So when you see these game reveal shows where 75% of new games feature female protagonists, and most of the protagonists in new games in established series are being genderswapped, it all appears ridiculous.
There was a 'Toss (Redpanels?) to this effect. A buffet with a dish from every country in the world would be amazing. Mixing it all up into slop would make you sick.
Well, I'm not a pro-DEI guy but the retard posting "DEI Slop" on random 3d printed objects in a game that hasn't been released is just stupid, right?
Would you guys disagree with that? This guy and this little screenshot is a perfect image of the overly reactionary idiots that dilute the message.
Again, I'm not a pro-DEI guy but there isn't any major signs of "DEI slop" on the GTA6 info we have so far. A woman character existing isn't a sign of that, a non-white woman isn't a sign of that either - see Stellar Blade.
This guy weakens the idea of what DEI slop is by posting about something he hasn't played and doesn't really know any details about.
What I am primarily getting at is that this guy gives these faggot retard redditors an excuse to act like anyone that points at DEI is wrong/stupid/bigoted which they will never stop doing, regardless of reasoned arguments or not I suppose.
In 2025, a female protagonist that is not overtly sexualized in a AAA game is absolutely a red flag for DEI. Because DEI is ubiquitous, so the absence of green flags is a red flag.
A female protagonist in a long running game series that has never had a female protagonist is absolutely a red flag for DEI. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot or a liar.
Incidentally, using the phrase “reactionary” is a huge red flag indicating that you are a crypto lefty. Probably you oppose current day leftism because your greatest fear is an ascendant right wing.
Yup. Countering a valid generalization with “muh outliers” is a classic midwit tell. No one cares if you heard about a woman who lifts heavier than the male average, etc.
I don't think we need to investigate it thoroughly, I just think I haven't seen the overt examples of DEI yet from the single trailer released.
That being said this isn't a game I'm super hype or hopeful for, and it can likely be pozzed to a ridiculous degree with what we have heard and seen from rockstar over the years, so it is fair enough to assume I think.
I've been here since we were on reddit man, I'm not here to subvert you or any right wing movement.
Seeing a (non anime)woman beat up men, seeing women in every single position of power, seeing a black woman be a genius, all I would believe in as DEI. A female character existing isn't DEI, at least imo, but I don't disagree with a lack of green flags for sure. I haven't reserved or plan to reserve/pre-buy GTA6, just keeping my eyes open to see what it is actually like - will you be able to drive into the pride parade or will they cutscene it out/fail a mission because you kill the gays, etc?
I think to simply see 1 minute trailer and then post on people's random 3d printed logos dogshit stupid comments like "DEI slop" on an icon/logo for a game is reactionary, I'm not sure what other word can be used to describe it.
A woman character existing isn't a sign of that, a non-white woman isn't a sign of that either - see Stellar Blade.
Korean gooner bait game, which the broadly anti-woke coalition don't have an issue with for it being woke, because it isn't woke. We're talking about a british and NY game here, with a newly introduced latinx woman main character
But I suspect you already know that, and the reasons why it doesn't apply. That or you are retarded. Which is it?
What I am primarily getting at is that this guy gives these faggot retard redditors an excuse to act like anyone that points at DEI is wrong/stupid/bigoted which they will never stop doing, regardless of reasoned arguments or not I suppose.
If they won't stop, what do you care about them being given excuses, or 'optics'?
Again, I'm not a pro-DEI guy but there isn't any major signs of "DEI slop" on the GTA6 info we have so far.
We don't have proof it will be woke, but there are indicators that point in that direction, from some of the things we saw in the trailers, to the people now working at Rockstar.
It could be like the Barbie movie, where they are hiding it until they get their sales.
I would not be quick to buy it on release. I'll wait for other people to play it first and reveal what it's like.
which they will never stop doing, regardless of reasoned arguments or not I suppose
That's probably the biggest reason to just not care. It doesn't change anything.
I'm not a huge fan of such garbage posts as "DEI slop" because it's low effort and says nothing. Beside the point though, most of these things you mention aren't necessarily guarantees a game is bad but remind us of past failures. It just lets me know that a game is not worth my limited time and resources. If I see a frizzy haired black woman on the cover of an EA game, that's two huge marks against it, because I've never seen anything good come out of that combination. I'm as much wary of GTA 6 coming from Rockstar, who hasn't made a decent game since GTA 5 which they then turned into a method of milking money out of the young, naive, or dumb. So it totally doesn't get my interest as someone who loved Vice City back in that day. Because I expect it to be a platform for them to sell me microtransactions, and nothing more. I don't even have to get to DEI, which I'm undecided on for this particular game.
The purpose of pattern recognition isn’t to successfully identify a pattern and then do exactly what you were going to do before you knew better anyways because there are some outliers.
Also, the mindset of “I’ll still roll the dice on every western AAA release because 1 out of 10 might be good” is completely retarded. This isn’t a court of law. We’re not trying to prove shit beyond a reasonable doubt. We’re not letting 10 woke games go free in order to prevent even one good game from failing. This industry is rotten and deserves to fail yesterday.
And it’s not like your time on this planet is infinite. You can only play so many video games before you die. Do you want to play woke games that happen to be “good”? Do you want to support devs who hate you because they happen to be talented? Have some fucking discipline and self respect. There are already more great old games than you could ever play in one lifetime. Be discerning. Include cultural and political factors in your criteria.
To that point I moved away from early purchases of a lot of AAA games just watching the patterns on pricing. They'd be out two months and be 60% off already. What a fool I felt like paying full price.
Now though, almost any game I consider is guilty of one of (or both) DEI and general shit quality until proven innocent. I just play old stuff. It's even cheaper for PC hardware that I haven't needed to upgrade in a handful of years now.
I upgraded not long ago, and I regret it. My most played games over the last year would have run just fine on my old hardware, and I see nothing in the high-end pipeline that remotely interests me. Hell, my own most reliable AAA developer is From Soft, and their next two releases are online multiplayer only slop. It’s bleak out there lol
The wild flip-flopping between "what does DEI/woke even mean???" and "DEI/woke is a good thing," and "anti-DEI/woke is the real issue" is as insane and deranged as it is infuriating and frustrating. I can tell that it's an ideology in the throes of failure because of the inconsistent defenses for it, but it's simply so gigantic and deeply embedded in the minds and lives of the people involved, not to mention overwhelmingly well-funded, that it's probably going to take another generation and a half to seriously bleed out. I pray every day for the "...and then very suddenly all at once" to kick in before it's too late and the world is doomed to a true and lasting Dark Age that it might not recover from for centuries.
Anyone spamming "define woke" or "what is DEI" can be safely dismissed as a commie gaslighter trying desperately to derail the noticing.
100%. Everyone involved in the discourse knows what woke and DEI mean.
DEI is still the curriculum of basically every school from kindergarden to university. It's still doing fantastic brainwashing the vast majority of kids.
We're nowhere near out of this societal cancer.
Public Health units are still running "anti-racism" campaigns as public health emergencies.
Oh, that dark age will come. The real question is if it will come for us. In the era of instant communication, and while that will fail it won't do so immediately, Rome burning wouldn't be the end-all for civilized development. The other city-states and nations would get word of it happening, and hopefully, some of them will change course in time.
There's a chance the world is doomed, but more likely, only a handful of "developed" nations will actually significantly fall.
The fear is that this is the last chance for more. We don't HAVE the petroleum to go from industrial revolution to space travel again. We have to make it work THIS time or never.
We've already lost the technology. The infrastructure and tech has long since been dismantled, and all of the high-IQ (White) men responsible for it in the first place died off or retired without training replacements. Unless the world wakes up and does the sneedful by 2030, it's all over. And with the advent of AI...
I didn't say it was a fear I had. Fear implies uncertainty.
But I never trusted in any of it to begin with, which is why I'm not overly worked up about it.
Ah, I see. And it would take too long to get new oil, because of human limited biodiversity.
But bright side, SOME country won't collapse at the same pacing, and can in theory pick up the pieces. Somewhere somewhat independent that is a bit inoculated against the mind-virus. The house of Saud, perhaps. They won't be the same pieces, but over 300 years, they could once again reform, refracture, and reform once again.
Again the fear is the same, they might, sure! Do they have the expertise for space travel? I'd there enough gold left for them to re-learn it? Do they have the tech to go nuclear before they run out of the gas to build the plants?
Space is "the enemy gate is down" it's an instant win once we manage to mine and asteroid that has more gold on it than has been mined in all human history. That's Elon's play imo, transhumanist that he is. Everything he does is in service to that, because in his mind that's the do or die condition, either he gets to space in time or humanity dies on a mud rock. And with those stakes, nothing else really matters to much.
Dei is the natural progression of civil rights act thinking.
Fits the definition I've been using the past couple years.
Woke (adj): A mental illness in which a person feels compelled to perform acts of progressive social activism within every aspect of their day to day life, including a demand that other people also be woke.
That's how the mind virus spreads.
Some guy said DEI isn’t a problem but not caring about merit it the problem. He almost had a point but doesn’t realize it’s one or the other, you can’t hire the best of the best and also hire people because they aren’t straight and white.
They really believe there is this significant untapped pool of black female videogame developpers companies ''cannot afford'' to not hire / train.
They don't really believe it. They pretend to believe it so that they're one of the "good guys" according to the programming they've been watching all of their lives where niggers are always thoughtful, soft spoken and kind and not quick to anger, impulsive and more racist than they can possibly imagine.
I'm pretty sure most of them don't even consider it that deeply.
It all serves to reinforce the idea that "racism" (a natural human tendency) is the worst possible thing in the world for white people (and no one else)
It is a deeply effective 60 year psyop on the founding stock of the west and the recipe for its destruction.
That’s why the Shiloh fundraiser was so awesome. She is a white person who did an overtly racist thing, which we are programmed to believe is the worst possible crime anyone can commit. But it’s not. Not even close. Murder, for example, is far worse. And everyone just watched blacks give half a million dollars to a murderer. So whites gave a million dollars to a “racist”, and the leftist outrage machine couldn’t effectively demonize us because they had already given a pass to a literal murderer.
Username relevant?
Nice catch ;)
Notice or perish fren!
The position would make sense if there was genuine exclusion during the time period that the current workforce was working.
Basically say
Group A has 80% good workers and 20% bad ones.
Group B has 40% good workers and 60% bad ones.
If every company decided to exclude Group B entirely from interviews, eventually they would winnow through the bad workers in Group A so that the situation was.
Group A not looking for work: 95 percent good workers and 5 percent
Group A looking for work: 24% good workers and 76% bad.
Group B looking for work: 40% good workers and 60% bad.
(I actually did the back of napkin math based on ~ 83% satisfied employment in group A with 1000 workers, some round off error expected)
So it would actually make sense if one employer bucked it and preferentially hired from group B because when you only consider the available workers, they have a better percentage.
But there hasn't been true exclusion during the last 30 years, so it doesn't work that way.
I was watching a movie from 2005 the other day, the complete lack of diversity was amazing. I miss it bros
For the vast majority of people, their immediate friend group and/or social circle is very ethnically/racial homogeneous. This goes double for families, the vast vast majority of which are not interracial.
So when leftist propaganda media features perfectly curated “diverse casts” akin to a racial/gender menagerie - it shatters suspension of disbelief for most viewers. Because “one of each” is not how humans organically arrange themselves. Diversity requires coercion.
Ironically, people are way more likely to identify or relate with ethnically homogeneous media even when it is not representing their own ethnicity. That’s why Korean shows are so popular on Netflix. White peoples would rather see a coherent representation of another functional homogeneous culture - even one that is alien to their own - than a forced and dishonest representation of the nonexistent leftist ideal of “diversity”.
Diversity of shows. Not diversity in shows. Works same in video games and manga/anime. They make it for a specific demographic and usually does well.
This worked in television and movies because those audiences are legitimately diverse. Everyone watches tv. Everyone goes to the movies (unfortunately).
Video games are a different story. Despite their comically aggressive efforts to cultivate a female player base, it’s clear that 85% or more of core gamers are male. So when you see these game reveal shows where 75% of new games feature female protagonists, and most of the protagonists in new games in established series are being genderswapped, it all appears ridiculous.
Males being genderswapped to female. And existing female chars redesigned to be butchy or race swapped.
Do they still?
Ian Malcom's randomly black daughter in Lost World is one of the best examples.
It's literally how "nations" worked for all of history. We have a beautiful multicultural world that the wokies want to mix up and destroy.
THEY want to make a golem.. because the "chosen" people need to create a golem that they cannot control and will ultimately destroy them.
There was a 'Toss (Redpanels?) to this effect. A buffet with a dish from every country in the world would be amazing. Mixing it all up into slop would make you sick.
I'll skip the indian street food thanks. Cause that will make you sick.
I miss when every single person depicted as being in a position of power wasn't black, gay, female, or a combination.
I rewatched The Big Short (2015) the other night which is a fictionalized retelling of Michael Lewis' book about the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis.
The story, set in 2008 and released in 2015, is mostly Wall Street White finance bro types (presumably mostly Jewish).
But they have a Leslie Jones doppelganger sheboon as the top manager running Morgan Stanley.
Back then they had shows for each ethnic group. Diversity of shows. Not diversity in shows.
Insane isn't it? Commercials even more so. It's the kind of thing you expect from the 1950s, not just two decades past.
“Forget it Jake, it's Reddit.”
There are plenty of awesome non-woke video games to last forever.
There's more than enough to do away from the screen.
Exactly.
Well, I'm not a pro-DEI guy but the retard posting "DEI Slop" on random 3d printed objects in a game that hasn't been released is just stupid, right?
Would you guys disagree with that? This guy and this little screenshot is a perfect image of the overly reactionary idiots that dilute the message.
Again, I'm not a pro-DEI guy but there isn't any major signs of "DEI slop" on the GTA6 info we have so far. A woman character existing isn't a sign of that, a non-white woman isn't a sign of that either - see Stellar Blade.
This guy weakens the idea of what DEI slop is by posting about something he hasn't played and doesn't really know any details about.
What I am primarily getting at is that this guy gives these faggot retard redditors an excuse to act like anyone that points at DEI is wrong/stupid/bigoted which they will never stop doing, regardless of reasoned arguments or not I suppose.
In 2025, a female protagonist that is not overtly sexualized in a AAA game is absolutely a red flag for DEI. Because DEI is ubiquitous, so the absence of green flags is a red flag.
A female protagonist in a long running game series that has never had a female protagonist is absolutely a red flag for DEI. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot or a liar.
Incidentally, using the phrase “reactionary” is a huge red flag indicating that you are a crypto lefty. Probably you oppose current day leftism because your greatest fear is an ascendant right wing.
He's doing the whole, we need to investigate this thoroughly to determine what is highly likely and probable based on observed patterns.
These are the "but I know a single mom who isn't batshit (out of millions) so your stereotypes are false" kinda guys.
Yup. Countering a valid generalization with “muh outliers” is a classic midwit tell. No one cares if you heard about a woman who lifts heavier than the male average, etc.
I don't think we need to investigate it thoroughly, I just think I haven't seen the overt examples of DEI yet from the single trailer released.
That being said this isn't a game I'm super hype or hopeful for, and it can likely be pozzed to a ridiculous degree with what we have heard and seen from rockstar over the years, so it is fair enough to assume I think.
I've been here since we were on reddit man, I'm not here to subvert you or any right wing movement.
Seeing a (non anime)woman beat up men, seeing women in every single position of power, seeing a black woman be a genius, all I would believe in as DEI. A female character existing isn't DEI, at least imo, but I don't disagree with a lack of green flags for sure. I haven't reserved or plan to reserve/pre-buy GTA6, just keeping my eyes open to see what it is actually like - will you be able to drive into the pride parade or will they cutscene it out/fail a mission because you kill the gays, etc?
I think to simply see 1 minute trailer and then post on people's random 3d printed logos dogshit stupid comments like "DEI slop" on an icon/logo for a game is reactionary, I'm not sure what other word can be used to describe it.
Korean gooner bait game, which the broadly anti-woke coalition don't have an issue with for it being woke, because it isn't woke. We're talking about a british and NY game here, with a newly introduced latinx woman main character
But I suspect you already know that, and the reasons why it doesn't apply. That or you are retarded. Which is it?
If they won't stop, what do you care about them being given excuses, or 'optics'?
We don't have proof it will be woke, but there are indicators that point in that direction, from some of the things we saw in the trailers, to the people now working at Rockstar.
It could be like the Barbie movie, where they are hiding it until they get their sales.
I would not be quick to buy it on release. I'll wait for other people to play it first and reveal what it's like.
That's probably the biggest reason to just not care. It doesn't change anything.
I'm not a huge fan of such garbage posts as "DEI slop" because it's low effort and says nothing. Beside the point though, most of these things you mention aren't necessarily guarantees a game is bad but remind us of past failures. It just lets me know that a game is not worth my limited time and resources. If I see a frizzy haired black woman on the cover of an EA game, that's two huge marks against it, because I've never seen anything good come out of that combination. I'm as much wary of GTA 6 coming from Rockstar, who hasn't made a decent game since GTA 5 which they then turned into a method of milking money out of the young, naive, or dumb. So it totally doesn't get my interest as someone who loved Vice City back in that day. Because I expect it to be a platform for them to sell me microtransactions, and nothing more. I don't even have to get to DEI, which I'm undecided on for this particular game.
The purpose of pattern recognition isn’t to successfully identify a pattern and then do exactly what you were going to do before you knew better anyways because there are some outliers.
Also, the mindset of “I’ll still roll the dice on every western AAA release because 1 out of 10 might be good” is completely retarded. This isn’t a court of law. We’re not trying to prove shit beyond a reasonable doubt. We’re not letting 10 woke games go free in order to prevent even one good game from failing. This industry is rotten and deserves to fail yesterday.
And it’s not like your time on this planet is infinite. You can only play so many video games before you die. Do you want to play woke games that happen to be “good”? Do you want to support devs who hate you because they happen to be talented? Have some fucking discipline and self respect. There are already more great old games than you could ever play in one lifetime. Be discerning. Include cultural and political factors in your criteria.
Apologies, this was a bit of a rant.
To that point I moved away from early purchases of a lot of AAA games just watching the patterns on pricing. They'd be out two months and be 60% off already. What a fool I felt like paying full price.
Now though, almost any game I consider is guilty of one of (or both) DEI and general shit quality until proven innocent. I just play old stuff. It's even cheaper for PC hardware that I haven't needed to upgrade in a handful of years now.
I upgraded not long ago, and I regret it. My most played games over the last year would have run just fine on my old hardware, and I see nothing in the high-end pipeline that remotely interests me. Hell, my own most reliable AAA developer is From Soft, and their next two releases are online multiplayer only slop. It’s bleak out there lol
The magic money behind DEI ruined videogames.