Men like epics and unique stories. Women like Harry Potter, kids movies, and sappy stories. Also note the distribution of films, men like older films, women have only 3/20 films before 2000 and 1/20 before 1990. Whereas men only have 3/20 films post 2000 and 15/20 are before 1990. Media has been captured and corporatized to constantly pander to women and the results show.
The recency bias might be a product of female consensus seeking. Women aren’t as interested in older things because women require the social and cultural clout that comes with engaging newer, more global media.
This is also why women are natural enemies of nationalism.
Everything you said after your first sentence is wrong, but that first one is very important. You'll notice that: Titanic, 50 Shades of Gray, and Sex In The City are popularly acclaimed by women, and aren't anywhere in this list. Recency bias is part of consensus thinking, and an older consensus just isn't necessarily ever useful given new and emerging environmental threats.
Women are never enemies of Nationalism, and Nationalism has a wildly important role in women being the starting point of families and communities. The social fabric that makes up a nation must be woven by women, and protected & ordered by men.
By being enemies of it, I think what he means is that women's natural tendencies are not for max benefit of the tribe, because their property is usually max approval. A d they don't care if this approval comes from within the tribe or without. If a bunch of foreigners thought their groups immigration policy was mean, and those foreigners (like one billion pajeets) was more than their own population, they'd side with the outsiders over their own because that gets them max approval. In the end, it's bad for the woman but they don't consider real world ramifications, only popular consensus. Nationalism benefits women. And women can support nationalism. But they aren't inclined to think in such terms.
I think I disagree with that assessment even more. Women are not going to socially approve of outsiders because the likelihood of those outsiders being a threat to them is inherently high. An outsider is literally outside the social networking consensus and social status we are talking about. Women do not have that kind of high out-group preference against their own social groups, let alone family units.
A nationalist social ordering has simply not been in most women's lives, and is actively disincentivized by society at large (and the government and corporations in particular). That propaganda and psychological conditioning is the effect that causes political results to skew the way they do.
You're confusing what you logically think women ought to want vs. what women actually do in reality.
You have a poor grasp on women because you're trying to rationalize women from the rationality of a man's mind. You clearly haven't observed women in the wild much.
Sorry but I don't think you understand women at all. If you don't think that women consider the opinions from without the group you are sorely mistaken. And if you think women put much thought into the dangers posed by outsiders, again, you are sorely mistaken. Some women, sure, granted
But to the first point, imagine a scenario where people are being loud in a movie theater and a woman doesn't want her bf/husband/dad to tell the offenders to be quiet because it'll be awkward or whatever. They don't even know these people and they're more concerned over the opinions of strangers than anything else.
This is because women place different weights in negative vs positive judgements. If someone holds a negative opinion about a woman (or even if they simply believe that is the case) that bothers them considerably more than positive opinions pleases them.
So basically, in gamer terms:
insults = -20 HP
compliments = +5 HP
Not being hated (even by strangers) is much more important than being liked by familiars. This is why women will get pressured into jabbing their kids or masking their kids or whatever stupid shit.
Men however don't generally care as much about the opinions of anyone outside their immediate circle.
By the way, this is echoed in the left vs the right as a whole
The right only cares about their smaller circles, immediate family, immediate community, nation. Whereas for the left is actually inverted, the care most about abstract sense of "being a citizen of earth", the. The global community, then their nation, then their region, etc etc with their own family basically being the least prioritized. Someone actually posted about that here half a year ago
Women are necessary for every movement and ideology because reproduction is necessary for every movement and ideology. But the psychology of women is a different matter entirely, and it can obviously be more or less hostile/conducive to a movement or ideology.
In the case of nationalism, women’s widespread advocacy for immigration and globalism is more than enough proof that they are, on average, enemies of nationalism. I’m not sure why you are so stupid as to disagree with this. I assume you’ve seen where voting projections fall in the absence of women. Are you struggling to understand how generalizations work?
I don't see women's psychology as pro-immigration and pro-globalism. In several European countries the populist right turned immigration into a women's safety issue, and the numbers of opposition to immigration match men's numbers. This is not a result of biology, but of psychological conditioning and heavy propaganda.
Women are being taught that globalism gives them community, and that immigrants are like infants. That is the psychological effect at play related to biology. Women don't have an innate out-preference. If anything, it's the opposite. But the infantilization of foreigners is what aligns them politically on the issue.
Giz-giz is also a jew-lover, so his primary interest is 'what's good for the jews', which is why he flips from astonishingly intelligent to borderline retarded when stuff like 'nationalism' comes up. Imagine a country without jews! Who would fuck all the children! Well Giztornik doesn't want that sort of world.
Because its not a list of "Greatest of All Time" but disparity between the two genders.
Gays are still men and love Sex in the City, which would remove that disparity level. Titanic has Kate Winslet tits that many boys in the 90s have nostalgia for.
I feel like people are missing that detail, this list is just ranking the things with the largest gaps rather than their "greatest of all time."
Y'all are missing something important by focusing on the women's choices being newer slop.
Because those are CHILDREN'S MOVIES. Almost every single one.
Only a small handful are actually for adults. Of those at least one is faggotry and fetishism. No rom coms, no comedy at all even. Kid's movies. I don't even recognize two of those movies but the trend is unmistakable.
'Hidden Figures' is in my top 10 for movies that piss me off.
I've only seen the first scene, where Black Female Scientist #1 and Black Female Scientist #2 are pulled over by a caricature level good old boy southern sheriff who does a racism, but I know the movie has legit convinced millions of normies that we never would have landed on the moon if it weren't for those two black women. It's fucking insane.
It's like posters here haven't even read the Nation of Islam scriptures on Yakub. White people clearly were an artificial invention made to deceive and destroy, but became SO good at deceiving and destroying, that despite being naked savages unable to invent "shoes", while Black Men had moon bases and satelites, they lept up and took down those starships with rocks and sticks, and took over the entire world.
Well see there's two major racial groups in the world. They're at odds with each other naturally but have been manipulated into living together.
A third group, a subset of one first two begins applyfying the tensions between the major groups in order to upset the existing power structure.
They introduce drugs into certain communities, and stoke prejudice against the racial group that currently holds power. And while they pretend to be innocent and weak, they actually occupy a number of highly influential positions in the government. All with the goal of gaining power themselves, revenging themselves on the current dominant racial group, and if all else fails burning it all to the ground.
Then they made that group represented by sheep and rams. Like cmon.
With the exception of Sounds of Music (cultural meme we all saw in school) and Beauty and the Beast, everything on the women's list is from the last 20 years. I discount Edward Scissorhands because they almost certainly didn't watch it until it became popular in the 2010s when Sweeney Todd came out and everything Depp was in became huge for a while.
Whereas 2 of the movies on the men's list is from this side of the millennium, and its two foreign films that I doubt 90% of people in the world have ever heard of and the most "literally me" relatable meme film in Blade Runner that is basically impossible for women to actually understand.
There are probably a lot of things you could extrapolate from that alone.
That is because it is not about "preferences". It is about something much innately deeper. It is about life experiences.
Men have to live the hero's journey, or they are seen as less than dog shit. Every boy is on a quest to become a man.
Men see Harry Potter "struggle" and become a faux "hero" through "magic" and "birthright", and are disgusted at a primal level about the feminized weakness of the story.
There's no unique article with that chart. It's from an old reddit post: https://archive.ph/UhtQx
The OP made the chart based on the information from a fivethirtyeight article (see your other comment's reply) focused on imdb ratings.
TL;DR of the 538 article: there are no girls on the internet, but we should cater the top movie list on the internet to them.
It's from imdb, apparently. So, global picks. It looks like a redditor took the data from this 538 article and sorted the lists by differences in ranks by genders.
Its got both Brad Pitt and that one slut being the most degenerate and gross possible while still getting Brad Pitt despite being an abortion having, mega loser.
People are responding about recency bias commanding women's preferences, but I think that's wrong. Men want a New Thing to be excited about just as much as women, they just no longer have it because the entertainment industry has stopped providing it - in the case of Hollywood they've stopped entirely and in gaming, almost entirely.
'Men=Mars, Women=Venus' is just the surface level takeaway from this. I think what it shows is the danger of ceding ground in the culture war because of some perception that the medium is beneath you. Subversives don't see any medium as beneath their attention for propaganda insertion. Yet on the right you sometimes get the kind of ideological advice which emphasises real world pragmatism at the expense of any pursuit of the imagination.
Books? stick with non-fiction, educate yourself or get some self-improvement done
Games? those are toys bro, how old are you
movies? shit will rot your brain, maybe watch an oldie now and then
We should celebrate the possibilities of fiction and imaginative pursuits or else this is what we get.
In the end we get this landscape where it's seen as entirely acceptable that men have no option if they want to indulge their imagination, except to watch propagandistic slop for women and children or else delve 60 years into the past. Most men, out of convenience, are not going to do that, so they opt for the slop - because everyone wants to be told a story sooner or later - and if something is merely 50% propaganda rather than 100%, they end up swallowing it down and celebrating the fact that they weren't totally poisoned just now. I think that contributes massively to how the overton window shifts. Concepts of honour, heroism, justice, loyalty, tradition, etc. are a completely forgotten currency, because we're left with no modern vector to hear about them. Incidentally I think this is also how Ghost of Tsushima slipped under the radar and won praise from men despite shitting all over those values, because 'slashy samurai man cool' and 'well you gotta play something'.
'You gotta play/read/watch something' is true and it's always going to win as an impulse, over sentiments like 'why aren't you lifting weights and learning about crop rotation in preparation for the ethnostate, brother?'
Men like epics and unique stories. Women like Harry Potter, kids movies, and sappy stories. Also note the distribution of films, men like older films, women have only 3/20 films before 2000 and 1/20 before 1990. Whereas men only have 3/20 films post 2000 and 15/20 are before 1990. Media has been captured and corporatized to constantly pander to women and the results show.
The recency bias might be a product of female consensus seeking. Women aren’t as interested in older things because women require the social and cultural clout that comes with engaging newer, more global media.
This is also why women are natural enemies of nationalism.
Everything you said after your first sentence is wrong, but that first one is very important. You'll notice that: Titanic, 50 Shades of Gray, and Sex In The City are popularly acclaimed by women, and aren't anywhere in this list. Recency bias is part of consensus thinking, and an older consensus just isn't necessarily ever useful given new and emerging environmental threats.
Women are never enemies of Nationalism, and Nationalism has a wildly important role in women being the starting point of families and communities. The social fabric that makes up a nation must be woven by women, and protected & ordered by men.
By being enemies of it, I think what he means is that women's natural tendencies are not for max benefit of the tribe, because their property is usually max approval. A d they don't care if this approval comes from within the tribe or without. If a bunch of foreigners thought their groups immigration policy was mean, and those foreigners (like one billion pajeets) was more than their own population, they'd side with the outsiders over their own because that gets them max approval. In the end, it's bad for the woman but they don't consider real world ramifications, only popular consensus. Nationalism benefits women. And women can support nationalism. But they aren't inclined to think in such terms.
I think I disagree with that assessment even more. Women are not going to socially approve of outsiders because the likelihood of those outsiders being a threat to them is inherently high. An outsider is literally outside the social networking consensus and social status we are talking about. Women do not have that kind of high out-group preference against their own social groups, let alone family units.
A nationalist social ordering has simply not been in most women's lives, and is actively disincentivized by society at large (and the government and corporations in particular). That propaganda and psychological conditioning is the effect that causes political results to skew the way they do.
You're confusing what you logically think women ought to want vs. what women actually do in reality.
You have a poor grasp on women because you're trying to rationalize women from the rationality of a man's mind. You clearly haven't observed women in the wild much.
I don't think I'm wrong.
Sorry but I don't think you understand women at all. If you don't think that women consider the opinions from without the group you are sorely mistaken. And if you think women put much thought into the dangers posed by outsiders, again, you are sorely mistaken. Some women, sure, granted
But to the first point, imagine a scenario where people are being loud in a movie theater and a woman doesn't want her bf/husband/dad to tell the offenders to be quiet because it'll be awkward or whatever. They don't even know these people and they're more concerned over the opinions of strangers than anything else.
This is because women place different weights in negative vs positive judgements. If someone holds a negative opinion about a woman (or even if they simply believe that is the case) that bothers them considerably more than positive opinions pleases them.
So basically, in gamer terms:
insults = -20 HP
compliments = +5 HP
Not being hated (even by strangers) is much more important than being liked by familiars. This is why women will get pressured into jabbing their kids or masking their kids or whatever stupid shit.
Men however don't generally care as much about the opinions of anyone outside their immediate circle.
By the way, this is echoed in the left vs the right as a whole
The right only cares about their smaller circles, immediate family, immediate community, nation. Whereas for the left is actually inverted, the care most about abstract sense of "being a citizen of earth", the. The global community, then their nation, then their region, etc etc with their own family basically being the least prioritized. Someone actually posted about that here half a year ago
Women are necessary for every movement and ideology because reproduction is necessary for every movement and ideology. But the psychology of women is a different matter entirely, and it can obviously be more or less hostile/conducive to a movement or ideology.
In the case of nationalism, women’s widespread advocacy for immigration and globalism is more than enough proof that they are, on average, enemies of nationalism. I’m not sure why you are so stupid as to disagree with this. I assume you’ve seen where voting projections fall in the absence of women. Are you struggling to understand how generalizations work?
I don't see women's psychology as pro-immigration and pro-globalism. In several European countries the populist right turned immigration into a women's safety issue, and the numbers of opposition to immigration match men's numbers. This is not a result of biology, but of psychological conditioning and heavy propaganda.
Women are being taught that globalism gives them community, and that immigrants are like infants. That is the psychological effect at play related to biology. Women don't have an innate out-preference. If anything, it's the opposite. But the infantilization of foreigners is what aligns them politically on the issue.
Giz-giz is also a jew-lover, so his primary interest is 'what's good for the jews', which is why he flips from astonishingly intelligent to borderline retarded when stuff like 'nationalism' comes up. Imagine a country without jews! Who would fuck all the children! Well Giztornik doesn't want that sort of world.
I'm a Nationalist. You are a Race Communist. We are not the same.
Because its not a list of "Greatest of All Time" but disparity between the two genders.
Gays are still men and love Sex in the City, which would remove that disparity level. Titanic has Kate Winslet tits that many boys in the 90s have nostalgia for.
I feel like people are missing that detail, this list is just ranking the things with the largest gaps rather than their "greatest of all time."
Correction: Men like well written films.
It's the same picture.
Comics and video games should serve as a great lesson of what happens when you refuse to accept men and women generally enjoy different things
Harry Potter is actually better than the other things my wife likes.
Y'all are missing something important by focusing on the women's choices being newer slop.
Because those are CHILDREN'S MOVIES. Almost every single one.
Only a small handful are actually for adults. Of those at least one is faggotry and fetishism. No rom coms, no comedy at all even. Kid's movies. I don't even recognize two of those movies but the trend is unmistakable.
Women are children, we already know this.
'Hidden Figures' is in my top 10 for movies that piss me off.
I've only seen the first scene, where Black Female Scientist #1 and Black Female Scientist #2 are pulled over by a caricature level good old boy southern sheriff who does a racism, but I know the movie has legit convinced millions of normies that we never would have landed on the moon if it weren't for those two black women. It's fucking insane.
Everything is possible because of black women that white men took credit for
It's like posters here haven't even read the Nation of Islam scriptures on Yakub. White people clearly were an artificial invention made to deceive and destroy, but became SO good at deceiving and destroying, that despite being naked savages unable to invent "shoes", while Black Men had moon bases and satelites, they lept up and took down those starships with rocks and sticks, and took over the entire world.
Wow, their description makes Whites sound really awesome.
Even in their fiction they’re victims
Guess I'll be watching Seven Samurai tonight.
And some chick is going to be watching "A Bug's Life."
Don't knock bugs life. The accidental subversiveness of that movie is superb.
It's only topped by Zootopia
Zootopia how?
Well see there's two major racial groups in the world. They're at odds with each other naturally but have been manipulated into living together.
A third group, a subset of one first two begins applyfying the tensions between the major groups in order to upset the existing power structure.
They introduce drugs into certain communities, and stoke prejudice against the racial group that currently holds power. And while they pretend to be innocent and weak, they actually occupy a number of highly influential positions in the government. All with the goal of gaining power themselves, revenging themselves on the current dominant racial group, and if all else fails burning it all to the ground.
Then they made that group represented by sheep and rams. Like cmon.
I wasn't knocking it. Merely pointing out that a girl would prefer the kid version of Seven Samurai to the original
The best one is the one with Antonio Banderas
With the exception of Sounds of Music (cultural meme we all saw in school) and Beauty and the Beast, everything on the women's list is from the last 20 years. I discount Edward Scissorhands because they almost certainly didn't watch it until it became popular in the 2010s when Sweeney Todd came out and everything Depp was in became huge for a while.
Whereas 2 of the movies on the men's list is from this side of the millennium, and its two foreign films that I doubt 90% of people in the world have ever heard of and the most "literally me" relatable meme film in Blade Runner that is basically impossible for women to actually understand.
There are probably a lot of things you could extrapolate from that alone.
Hidden figures was the “black wahman” were the real nasa scientists! The theory of everything was the shitty Hawking movie.
It looks like women like gay men.
I liked some of the names you had a while back. Your opinions not so much, but the names are cool.
The women's movies seem more pop culture. I recognized 18/20 titles. I only recognized 8/20 of the men's top picks.
I know all the women's titles basically but I wouldn't consider them good. I'd be curious to see.tje top 20 instead of just mildly high rankings.
There’s so much more depth in the men’s list. The women’s list is just kinda the same
Although I would like to see the actual whole list starting with 1 to see the disparity there even though it’s much less delta.
women are the midwit meme
their herd mentality doesn't allow for innovation or excellence
OP, do you have the list? I'd like to see what the top ranks actually are, and the gender divide on those.
See my replies to mpetey's comments. https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/199O6P51rt/x/c/4ZFBMZIuIrJ
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/199O6P51rt/x/c/4ZFB3tQGkGX
Into the woods you fucking barbarian.
This is a post that could use context
JPEGs can't be taken offline by hackers.
That is because it is not about "preferences". It is about something much innately deeper. It is about life experiences.
Men have to live the hero's journey, or they are seen as less than dog shit. Every boy is on a quest to become a man.
Men see Harry Potter "struggle" and become a faux "hero" through "magic" and "birthright", and are disgusted at a primal level about the feminized weakness of the story.
Normally I'm not one of those sneering at screenshot posts, but this may be a time for the full article for some context and all
There's no unique article with that chart. It's from an old reddit post: https://archive.ph/UhtQx
The OP made the chart based on the information from a fivethirtyeight article (see your other comment's reply) focused on imdb ratings.
TL;DR of the 538 article: there are no girls on the internet, but we should cater the top movie list on the internet to them.
I appreciate that
My question is how Goblet Of Fire somehow pulls 400 whole places ahead of all other Harry Potter movies, man-side.
This isn't Westerners voting on this is it?
I don't think it's Russians voting for Rocky, or Japanese voting for the River Kwai.
You think white dudebros are putting Dangal on the list
Of course! Taare Zameen Par, a 2007 Indian/Hindi film about a kid with dyslexia is a favorite of Western audiences /s
It's from imdb, apparently. So, global picks. It looks like a redditor took the data from this 538 article and sorted the lists by differences in ranks by genders.
Didn't see that one coming. I guess Brad Pitt as a dangerous guy carries it.
Brad Pitt shirtless
Its got both Brad Pitt and that one slut being the most degenerate and gross possible while still getting Brad Pitt despite being an abortion having, mega loser.
Its the perfect film for a modern woman.
I've seen 5%.
If you counted only real women, the disparity between men and women would be even greater on the Harry Potter stuff.
My dad had always told me Bridge on the River Kwai was a great movie.
I just watched it for the first time about a month ago. He was right, it really is a fantastic movie.
People are responding about recency bias commanding women's preferences, but I think that's wrong. Men want a New Thing to be excited about just as much as women, they just no longer have it because the entertainment industry has stopped providing it - in the case of Hollywood they've stopped entirely and in gaming, almost entirely.
'Men=Mars, Women=Venus' is just the surface level takeaway from this. I think what it shows is the danger of ceding ground in the culture war because of some perception that the medium is beneath you. Subversives don't see any medium as beneath their attention for propaganda insertion. Yet on the right you sometimes get the kind of ideological advice which emphasises real world pragmatism at the expense of any pursuit of the imagination.
We should celebrate the possibilities of fiction and imaginative pursuits or else this is what we get.
In the end we get this landscape where it's seen as entirely acceptable that men have no option if they want to indulge their imagination, except to watch propagandistic slop for women and children or else delve 60 years into the past. Most men, out of convenience, are not going to do that, so they opt for the slop - because everyone wants to be told a story sooner or later - and if something is merely 50% propaganda rather than 100%, they end up swallowing it down and celebrating the fact that they weren't totally poisoned just now. I think that contributes massively to how the overton window shifts. Concepts of honour, heroism, justice, loyalty, tradition, etc. are a completely forgotten currency, because we're left with no modern vector to hear about them. Incidentally I think this is also how Ghost of Tsushima slipped under the radar and won praise from men despite shitting all over those values, because 'slashy samurai man cool' and 'well you gotta play something'.
'You gotta play/read/watch something' is true and it's always going to win as an impulse, over sentiments like 'why aren't you lifting weights and learning about crop rotation in preparation for the ethnostate, brother?'