I wasn't going to post this, but given everything that JUST happened with Tenet Media...
Well.
For those who don't know, Unsubscribe Podcast is basically a bunch of Guntubers - Brandon Herrera, Eli Doubletap, and the Fat Electrician for the episode in question. Military guys - Brandon is the only non-military among the group. The cast might be larger - I confess I don't have the time to watch it religiously, and just catch it from time to time. All together, it's basically an excuse for them to get together, drink, and talk about random shit while having interesting guests on the show/podcast.
One of the most recent episodes - 174 - had two guests on the show, Habitual Linecrosser and Ryan McBeth, also two ex-military guys. Ryan McBeth is the one that caught my interest from forum talk and what made me go watch the episode in full. McBeth basically works for a civilian company in taking down online disinformation - yeah, okay. You can see the part of the epsiode where he goes into what he does here - the whole spiel is around 30 minutes long, but it's worth the watch.
So, during said spiel, he basically straight up states 'We should track down people spreading online misinformation and kill them'.
Yeah.
Instantly, we had celebration and jubilation amoung all the military-aligned set. Clearly, the idea excited them.
But after the calm down, the only one - the ONLY one - to push back was Brandon, basically replying 'So, you want to kill people for speech'. Props for Brandon for pushing the matter - hell, it was a brilliant demonstration of the skills he likely picked up in running for Congress. Words really can't do all this justice - watching the video is an excellent example of how people can be casually evil without thinking through the full implications and perverse incentives of what they're proposing can do, and just how easily people would go along with it as long as you gave it the right label.
People like to say that the military, in such extremes, would split. If you get to the point where you're hunting down and killing civilians for saying no-no words about the Government, that they'd never go along with it.
Nah. Call whoever they're killing the enemy and they'd go along with it just fine.
Am I wrong? Am I being over dramatic? Hyperbolic? Paranoid? Was all the 'based' bullshit just a bit for entertainment? Man, I sure fucking hope so. But I'm worried I'm not.
I'd suggest everyone watch the relevant portions of this podcast, to get an idea of the type of evil fuckers - and I'd call McBeth evil with no hesitation whatsoever - are advising our politicians and military.
Bonus points; You can see Habitual Linecrosser pathetically huff copium that America didn't loose in Iraq.
Also, McBeth claiming that the Military Industrial Complex doesn't exist.
Post Script; Rewatching the episode made this even more relevant, as McBeth tries to weasel-word around his excuse of killing 'disinformation actors' by calling them 'state-funded weapon systems'. And what do we have with Tenet? Accusations of being state-funded by Russia.
Cute.
Now. With that rant done and out of the way, if you gentlemen will please excuse me, I'm going to go off and get really fucking drunk.
I watched that, right up until McBeth said the MIC didn't exist.
The fuck it doesn't.
I was in the military for 20 years, I know they will follow orders. How? 99.999% of them lined up and got jabbed with the clot shot. Those that didn't were exiled, literally.
Yep. Military tards and cop tards will do what they are told. The ones with morals are not in the military/pd anymore.
Now they have npc whites that want to be the best goy they can be.
I think almost the whole panel called him out on that. Eli notably excepted, but he seems to have some concept of acting as a 'Neutral Host', sort of like Rogan, I guess. It seems to work in getting guests to open up for both of them, so I won't criticize there.
Even Rogan calls out BS on that level. I wish we had a president who would disband the federal military apparatus and return it to the States.
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Read up on the bonus army and Shay's rebellion sometime. Active duty guys will even go after their own retired brothers with bayonets if ordered.
And the Ludlow massacre
I'm sorry, but what a fat fucking psychopath. He's so enthused. I don't know if he was always that way, or he was captured along the way, but the enthusiasm for speaking the propaganda is really unsettling. There's no thought there, just programming.
Good on Brandon for giving some pushback, at least. Respect. Especially when you're outnumbered like that. Would have been easy to shut up.
Plus psychopathic cultish enthusiasm for killing and spouting propaganda? Plus gives talks pushing this shit?
Tell me you work for the CIA, without telling me you work for the CIA.
He recently ran for office, so it's a real test of character now that he has nothing to lose.
It's a fantasy character he plays, with the panama hat and the drink and cigar. He's a silly person.
Say no more. McBeth is a notorious turd. The typical fat lib incompetent who is well aware that his income depends on compliance and propaganda for the regime.
The fact that a bunch of so called 2A podcasters would invite McBeth is already lunacy. You might as well sit down with Alexander Vindman.
edit: after watching, I don't know if anyone was necessarily on board with McBeth versus yakking for fun. Still very very suspect
edit 2: McBeth's idea that we should target "state-funded disinformation actors" in a time of war is pretty stupid given that we would just block internet connections from any belligerent anyway.
edit 3: Brandon trounced McBeth. Visibly stumbled him over and over, one of the most definitive victory conditions.
I hate to be that guy, but a bunch of "guntubers" being jovial with Ryan McBeth just makes me think "feds, feds everywhere."
They even look similar, now that you mention it.
Have we seen Vindman and McBeth in the same room? Anyone?
You had US Marines machine-gun and napalm Vietnamese villages, all because some bean counter in DC said they weren't meeting their kill quota. The grunts decided to fudge their numbers just so they could get a promotion. A magic oath or Western morals didn't deter them; it was the fear of 7.62x39mm and pits full of shit-covered punji sticks that ultimately made the Marines fuck off.
>B-b-b-but muh nooks!
Fucking. Do. It.
Edit: Since I'm on a 'Nam tear, I remember a beautiful line from the first Call of Duty: Black Ops game: "Instead of returning to your own country, you will die in ours."
"No one is coming to save you" can be a demoralizing blackpill, but that doesn't make it any less true.
You may not be able to stop the gay op against you, but if you can [rule two] even one, you'll be doing a service.
"Nobody is coming to save you" isn't even necessarily a blackpill. If more men truly swallowed the implications of it, they might discard the concept of the benevolent paternal state and do what little they can to protect their families and their communities and their own self, themselves. Not everyone can easily gather the resources or resolve to become a full doom-prepper (certainly not me), but that one key perspective shift could be enough to make people go a little further to make Solzhenitsyn's hypothetical come closer to reality:
Yes it's a bleak scenario where not everyone survives, but it ensures that something good could.
Ryan McBeth is exactly the kind of guy who would've served in the NKVD or Gestapo, for as much as he likes to suck his own dick over supposedly being a brave defender of liberalism. And characterizing political discourse as "information warfare" is exactly the same rationale used by both commies and fashies who believe that politics is merely war by other means.
The US military has done decades of R&D on figuring out how to psychologically condition ordinary men to be able to shoot to kill without hesitation. Because the default behavior of soldiers is simply to shoot in the general direction of their opponents, in an attempt to scare them away. Only psychopaths are able to shoot to kill without any conditioning, but the fact that our military knows how to get ordinary men to that level is insane.
At the end of the day, there are many people out there who don't have any real ideology. The kind of men who went from being Gestapo agents to being Stasi agents without much trouble, or who switched sides between brownshirts and commies based on who they thought was gonna win. They're loyal only to power itself, and both the military and the police are filled to the brim with such men.
McBeth is such a soy faggot that he almost killed himself by running into a signpost on his bicycle in suburban Virginia.
You're right. The one caveat is that if this is what the military is doing, it will continue to struggle with recruitment. It's going to filter for "true believer" in America's sate ideology, but there won't be that many. They'll end up relying on migrants to fill the ranks. Those aren't even mutually exclusive groups. Migrants themselves will trend towards being true believers since America's sate ideology is all about supporting them.
That stuck out to me, too. Hey idiots, the reason we lost is because we wasted a bunch of lives and money and got fucking nothing out of it.
Meanwhile in the comments:
"bUt wE wOn"
What other empire relied on foreign mercenaries as their declining population focuses on degeneracy and gibs? I'm sure it's different this time, however.
If only SSG Mangum got a letter from the VA telling him not to kill himself. Surely that flickering ember would've staved off the engulfing darkness that he ruined his body, nothing he did mattered, and everyone he served with died in vain.
Enforcers, maybe. True believers, no. The "true believer" is a phenomenon of Western nations, whereas Guatemalans will mouth the words without understanding or caring, as long as food gets put on the table.
People want something to believe in, and simple-minded people want something simple to believe in. An emerging global state is an attractive idol for a lost savage.
Military won't struggle with recruitment when there are literally billions of third world men who don't give a shit about killing who they're told as long as they're getting food, land, and white women.
Anyone who has ever taken a paycheck from the DoJ or DoD (and probably other departments) is a fed. They will always be feds, they cannot help it. The bootcamp indoctrination runs that deep.
No, anyone on our side who's willing to endure the abuse and humiliation in order to be well-positioned within the machine when the time comes should be lauded as a hero. We need as many of /ourguys/ on the inside as possible when shit finally hits the fan, because that will make it impossible for the machine to function.
Anyone who makes it through basic will never be on our side. Indoctrination works, as a filter at the minimum.
"everyone with power is our enemy. to be a good person you need to be weak, and going up against the most powerful, with as few tools as possible. having any power or tools is proof you are not a good person, because only our enemies have those."
Well be sure to tell Giztornik or hellsbells00 any of your protest plans. See how well that works out for you.
Those are the typical vets on the "right".
A huge part of the dissident right is vets, we even have some on this board.
This. The real right, meaning not the normies or cuckservatives, is heavily military or former military.
In recent times just about anybody reliable has bailed out after being told they had to take the fake vaccine.
I can guarantee that this is not true. I can't give specifics though, so take it with a grain of salt.
Had the exact same reaction to the exact same thing, man.
Military fucking cream themselves at the possibility of using their fancy toys to murder Americans. It's not just that the military holds the leash of their paychecks, their healthcare, their pension, and their housing. The military are the most bluepilled people on the fucking planet, they absolutely cannot wait to kill you and they think the funniest thing in the world is blowing the libs off an American in front of their children for speech on the internet.
Marines, Army, Air Force, and Navy are the people you will be killing in the civil war. Stop worshiping them. They take a fucking paycheck to murder people the government says to murder.
I have thought through the full implications of this statement: zogbots and their families should be [Rule 2]'ed.
If you disagree, read about the murder of Vicki Weaver again.
Most soldiers are meatheads trained to kill without question. Of course a lot of them would kill civilians with just the tiniest bit of convincing.
The main problem we face as a movement is unity. We still havent figured out its us vs them, because we can't settle on who "us" is. Its certainly not the military or police, especially when we've seen how many of them will gladly do illegal/immoral shit without a second thought. Its patriots vs a corrupt and out-of-control government. If you dont recognize that, you're going to get brainwashed.
Another creepy part of the argument is, just the distribution of power. Putting aside that the US does this to every other country...the US uses this exact type of propaganda on its own citizens. And this fuck is claiming lethal force is justified on anyone who would do it to us.
Soooo...the US can propagandize other countries, the US can propagandize us, and the US can kill anyone else who tries to propagandize us. Doesn't exactly sound like a good position to be in for the American citizen. Sort of sounds like absolutely powerlessness, bordering on slavery.
If it's so powerful it's worth killing foreign actors for...maybe we should make sure our own government can't do it to us? Just a thought.
This is cope. When you have power, hypocrisy doesnt exist. I eat animals but I dont want to be eaten myself. What a hypocrite I am, right?
The winners never commit war crimes. War crimes are a public humiliation ritual inflicted on the losers. The real crime is losing the war. Win wars and you can always write the Official History™ and call opposing narratives as crazy conspiracies.
"War crimes" is just the ancient principle "vae victus" with a coat of false civility painted on.
People in media/entertainment fields live on social pressures and conformity, its the only way they can succeed to reach a point where you know they exist. So they will always be the first in line to enforce The Will of whoever is in power.
Double so they will say such in public, because to do so otherwise would invite either suicide or controversy onto their dollar.
I'd wager anyone who goes on a fucking podcast, is probably on the side that would absolutely shoot people if Daddy Government said so. No matter how "based" you think they are, their choice of hobby and profession says otherwise and should lower that trust.
The handful of psychotic PTSD machines in your hometown are not the same as them and conflating the two is exactly what the government wants you to think, because it keeps you paralyzed in fear of your neighbors.
"The military would side with the populace" is one of those things you hear as a kid that sounds wise like "don't judge a book by it's cover" but immediately falls apart under any casual thought.
I doubt there's anyone here that believes that, but next time your face to face with someone who says that (or about the police) ask them to name a time where that's happened. A historical time where the military or police, has refused unjust orders against civilians.
Gonna need a FOX DIE for the vaxxed since the troops still in got their shots. Drop them like a sack of potatoes, feed them to the sharks and erase all history that they even existed.
I'm worried introducing that to the sharks might have negative consequences down the line.
Giving that slop to sharks seems so harsh. They're all hard working, polite, well-integrated and helpful friends. No need to poison them en-masse. I'd go with using the corpses as fertilizer precursor stock after heavy microwave treatment to ensure that no spike proteins survive.
Virtually all of the officers and well over half the actual trigger pullers would accept orders to start killing white people in any US city tomorrow.
This McBeth thing is one of the most repulsive specimens I've ever seen. It's a waste of time to even describe why, he maxes out every category.
Seeing what past, present and future servicemen say on social media with their full name and rank on display should give that away easy enough. I have little doubt if given the order to fire on their own citizens, they'll ask "who did they vote for?", with "why?" coming a moderate 2nd, if any questions are asked in the first place.
I know not EVERYONE in there would, I've got a fren who I'm sure wouldn't, though in his case he's a Natsoc who's just in it for the paycheck for his family and training for when SHTF, so not the same as a most who are to some degree or another a true believer.
they can try.
While this is true it misses the bigger picture. Sure the US military might readily go against US citizens, but how would that ever work? The military are not sequestered in fortresses, they're just bases in cities. They do their shopping at local walmarts, they send their kids to local schools, have civilian apartments and civilian housing off base, etc.
Like sure they could drone a Walmart but then what? The person who just lost a brother or sister to it will serve them no problem at Mcdonalds? The mechanic who lost a dad will fix their cars and trucks without sabotaging it? That's not even including the massive amount of civilian contractors required just to keep the military running. Who's cooking all the meals at the chow hall if you kill the cooks or their families? Who's manufacturing their weapons, ammo, or even uniforms when you make them enemy combatants? The military would collapse before the government who ordered it would.
That's just the civilian side, they raised an entire generation of veterans on twenty years of insurency in the desert. How's that gonna go when they'll get the fun stuff from militias or just from a russian or chinese fella riding up with a truck full of weapons? That shit would be poring into the borders like crazy.
Whether they go along with it is a moot point because it would be a clusterfuck of such epic proportions I can't even fathom.
Going along with the group narrative isn't based.
Standing alone against the popular narrative is based.
https://youtu.be/O_3_-UrhZH0
The military selects for individuals willing to follow orders. That's why when there are conscientious observers it's always a battle.
You are not wrong.
The government wouldn’t even need to use troops to get you killed with how easy that data is accessible and how accurate it is.
Most members of the military are scum, which makes the American cult worship of them all the more insane.
Should we be surprised that people who signed up to commit violence would salivate at the idea of doing violence?
Should gove LTC StevenMurray a listen - One Team One Fight. He wouldn't stand for that commie bullshit.
Then make sure they constantly fight each other for purity.
If it's not these psychopaths then it'll be the military once illegal immigrants fill their ranks. Recruitment numbers are massively down, you know that'll be the next step after amnesty.
You are afraid of the entire military because of a few blowhards lol.
There are more vets that would refuse to kill Americans.
Keep shivering in your boots over a nonexistent scenario though.
If the government could kill us they would have done it already.
The thing is, the ones on our side won't be military if/when it kicks off, they'll desert. Won't stop the rest.
The ones on our side can act as spies and saboteurs, that's way more valuable than being a guerilla operative.
Maby won't though, they're too honest.