There are three reasons why pro-life is such an unpopular position, even in red states, that most people are too polite to say out loud, but which make a helluva lot more sense than the explicitly stated reasons for being pro-abortion.
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Most people are absolutely terrified of the prospect of not being able to abort a cripple or retard baby. Throughout most of history, outright infanticide was often used to dispense with such profoundly burdensome people. And tbf, people can barely afford to raise a normal child in our dysfunctional economy, nvm a child who will never really "grow up," will always be as tedious to attend to as a toddler in terms of having to protect them from themselves, to say nothing of the medical costs.
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The nigger population would explode. No matter how much groid worship Baizuo engage in, no matter how much public self-effacing bullshit and BLM signs they put up, etc, even shitlibs are absolutely terrified of this happening. Hell, functional blacks are terrified of this as well.
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Only a complete degenerate would have an abortion of convenience, rather than of necessity. So why in the world do you want trash like that to reproduce, and to raise kids? They're only gonna resent and often abuse any kids they're forced to have, because kids to these people = no more fun.
You don't have to like it, or agree with it, but this is the subtext behind why pro-life is such an uphill battle electorally. Moreover, even if it is killing babies, most people don't actually have a principled stance against infanticide - sure, it's unpleasant, nobody wants to see it, but history and even third world countries today attest to the fact that a principled opposition to infanticide is a luxury belief.
Even a principled opposition to homicide is a luxury belief, as there are plenty of contexts where we're willing to kill people, even civilians. It's just that you can't have a functioning society where people are allowed to kill each other, whereas you can have a functioning society where people are allowed to kill their babies.
God cursed the United States when we legalized child murder for convenience.
Since the Roe decision, we've fallen off cliffs demographically, economically and socially. Not to mention morally. It was alongside the Hart Celler Act the largest blow against the American people in the last two centuries.
Of course it needs to go away, regardless of the arguments for it after the fact. Not only was it ever legalized through judicial fiat, and therefore unjustly enacted in the first place, but it's bad policy that has among other things been the biggest contributing factor in the modern psychopathic zeitgeist of women.
Yes the negroid population would explode. That wouldn't have mattered sixty years ago, because they were a tiny fraction of the population they are now. If you really want to curtail them you need to abolish all social welfare and commit to letting them starve until they reach a population they can sustain. That applies to Africa as a whole too in terms of foreign aid. They breed like rabbits because we keep throwing them more free stuff to do it.
I agree about God cursing us. Sadly it is a big loser for our side.
I don't allow political convenience to override moral correctness.
That's precisely how we got into this situation to begin with.
No arguments from me. It just sucks but like you said the Lord calls us to a higher standard
If we could deport 90% of blacks first, then I would be okay with banning abortion outright.
But we definitely need to deport 100% of Somalis and Pakis and Jeets with no hope of the entry ever for them or their kin.
I was with you until you said reapply.
Deal.
How do you propose deporting people whose ancestors were brought here against their will 6+ generations ago. That's an absolutely retarded idea.
Their ancestors should've been deported in the first place
Agreed.
Easy. We just copy what the rule16s are doing with muslims. We set up NGOs that load them into boats and then simply drop them off in another country against that country's will. Rule16istan would be a perfect place to drop them all too.
Same way the first got here.
I guess we'd do the same thing but in the opposite direction. You know, against their will.
Yeah I mean to the extent you can actually deport anyone, I see not the problem with this
"God" is a psyop. He's supposedly omniscient and omnipotent and yet he can't even do a little thing like stop abortion?
2009 reddit atheist tier take
Which came first, abortion or degeneracy? You cannot legislate morality. When the people are degenerates, they will demand degenerate laws.
You absolutely can legislate morality, there are very few other purposes for formally codified laws.
And to answer your question it's both. Slippery slope and all that. In this case, specifically infiltrators from the Frankfurt school and other various remnants of Trotsky's bullshit. One mustn't violate rule 16 by naming them of course.
That's an example for more stringent moral watchfulness, not less. Our ancestors did not guard against the enemy and thus opened the doors for worse down the line.
No. You can't. You can try, but you will fail unless the majority is with you. Attempt legislating morality on majority evil people who reject it, and they'll elect somebody who supports their degeneracy. This isn't hard to understand.
Sure you can. It's a trite, postmodernist soundbite that claims otherwise. I don't subscribe to millennial snark as a substitute for an actual argument.
In this case, a degenerate law, not even a law really a judicial ruling, was enacted to foment more down the line.
Which has observably happened in the last few decades. It's "we just want to get married" but for sluts instead of fags.
Any parent knows. Permissiveness only leads to more bad behavior.
It's the pompous, ignorant ramblings of a fool who has more in common with commies than free people, to think you can legislate morality. You believe we can have utopia by simply mandating it, and completely ignore human nature.
Hardly, I'm just not enough of a fool to fail to understand that the concept of formally codified laws is inherently a legislation of morality.
That's why murder is illegal, for example. That's legislating morality. There's no utopian thinking here, rather the opposite.
A people can be guided along a particular path, positive or negative, by leadership. Because most people, normies, are stupid sheep.
Being stupid sheep, they go in whatever direction they're herded. In this case, from a lack of strong moral direction, be that from a self satisfied and corrupt financial cartel, a demonic bolshevist cult, or the abdicated clergy, the American people have been deracinated. A once distinct identity as a people dissolved into a colorless, nonsensical sludge.
They can be herded back into a strong, decent people eventually, although likely not without unprecedented violence against the above negative influences.
Another dipshit comment.
Making murder illegal doesn't legislate the morality of it, only punishes the act. Laws don't dictate morality, they only reflect it. Most people think murder a should be illegal, so the law punishes it. If most people thought murder was acceptable, laws would reflect that, even if the minority insisted it was immoral.
Hence, blue states legalize murdering infants in utero, because they believe that is moral.
Regardless, I'm done arguing with an aithorittarian cunt who believes that with harsh enough laws you can legislate people into goodness.
Later, moron.
One, democracy is fake and gay, I don't support it, 2, look at shit like sodomy laws that used to exist, It's fully possible.
Free people that consume pervert media and allow their children to be educated by communists and pedophiles.
What chance do these children even have of having mental freedom?
We aren't a free people.
Man you got owned
Morality is the only thing you can legislate other than logistics.
Everything else is just negotiating and claptrap.
You cum guzzling mongrel
We absolutely can legislate morality. In fact, we already have. Murder is immoral and it is illegal. You can still kill someone, but you will be punished for it.
Dipshit, that's not legislating morality. Murdering babies in the womb is legal in many states because that's what the voters want. So I guess you can't legislate morality.
You got owned.
But we do legislate morality, you absolute fucking retard. Murder is immoral, stealing is immoral, slavery is immoral, etc. They are currently illegal because humans agree they are immoral. We sometimes legalize objectively immoral things such as gay shit, trans shit, baby murder, drugs, etc. They're still immoral objectively, but large groups of people have decided they aren't immoral (subjectively of course).
Do you want to try to rephrase what you're saying? Humans can and do legislate morality. Its been done for years and is still being done, so it's a retarded statement. If what you're trying to say is that forcing people to be moral doesn't make them moral, that's a fair statement. But that's not what you said. And even then common sense and history shows that countries who relax their laws end up with even worse problems with lawlessness. Decriminalizing immorality causes problems to get worse.
Pro tip: If what you say isn't reflecting your ideas, that's a major failing on your part.
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You are assuming the premise of a style of governance where the majority rules, there is voting, and evil people are allowed to vote. Something like a benevolent dictatorship would have no problem legislating morality unless the evil people were in a position to overthrow the government.
This is one of those things that sounds smart and deep, but the more you think about it the less it make sense.
Just gotta get the lolberts to realize narrowly applied harm principle is a morality.
Obviously degeneracy
Semi-relatedly, I have often wondered what the media reaction would be to a Republican who said, "I'm pro-choice, because imagine how many more nigger Democrats there'd be if it was illegal."
Edit: I don't comment all that often, I was unaware that nigger is automatically censored. Is that sitewide or just here?
Are you sure that's not like your device doing that. I've never seen nigger censored here
I looked at the thread on my desktop, and yeah, you're right, not censored. Then I looked at it on my phone browser, and it's not censored there either.
It's only on the scored app. Bizarre. There must be some app setting that automatically filters my own posts? I've got to hunt that down.
The app censors everything, hell, you can't even use fucking Conpro on there AT ALL.
People need to stop using their phones for internet browsing.
But how else can I shitpost on here while I take my 3rd scheduled poo at work?
Palmtops like GPD Win. Literally just like a laptop or notebook, running Windows or Linux, but small enough to where you punch the keyboard with your thumbs. Just like in the good old days of BlackBerries.
Or at the very least stop using proprietary apps.
on a crowded train too. I know I was there. And everyone clapped too and made facebook posts about it.
Probably it
Is it? I saw your comment and I see the word spelled out all the time here.
I’m 2 and 3. I’m very pro abortion because of who is getting the abortion. Margaret Singer was a genius. She may have single handedly prevented a worldwide chimp out.
Nah it's a moral stain. Blacks should be deported and they can fight it out in Africa. Most would starve quickly without constant imported food.
The ones that wouldn't would be smarter and better.
You would think, but even after all the time they killed each other and starved, they never really got anywhere, did they?
Without seasonal winter, there's no need to plan for the future. It's war and pillage, all the time.
Same.
To repeat my argument from the other thread, I believe that abortion contributes to the problems #2 and #3 are supposed to be preventing. Culling the leftist population isn't a clean cut - training them to believe murdering a child out of convenience makes them worse people, and once they've done it they are never going to confront their beliefs and admit they are monsters.
Agreed. Don't lie with dogs, you'll wake up with fleas. We must repudiate all of this degeneracy and banish it to foriegn lands. But I won't endorse infanticide of healthy human babies.
I will endorse deporting or killing interlopers and degenerates.
A short version is women who have children have to grow up and mostly they do if forced.
I've said it before- my stance begins and ends at "are my tax dollars paying for this disgusting shit?"
And the answer is yes. Even if they say the money they get from the state is not to be used for abortions, you'd have to be a retarded toddler to not see how subsidizing an organization IS subsidizing ALL it's activities.
"YOUR tax dollars are all going to the war effort like a good patriot, don't worry. Now, CARL'S tax dollars? All for abortion, dude loves dead babies. Now you may ask, how is this different from 50% of each of you going to each morally-divisive money-sink, and the answer is... it's illegal to ask that question."
the only reason I’m pro choice is because of how much crime rates would increase if abortion was illegal x3
I propose that all we perform one singular abortion in public and show everyone what goes on. Make sure to get plenty of close up pictures, video, the whole shebang. Then follow the baby parts being sold to pharmaceutical and beauty companies for products and testing. Anyone who then supports abortion shall be shot in public for being literal demons.
There are a lot of problems that could be solved this way. If people actually understood what troon "gender reassignment" butchery was, support would also vanish for that overnight.
It's actually pretty simple. With Roe vs Wade on the books, abortions were legal in all states, mandated by the federal government which in many cases supersedes what a state could want for it's people. With RvW off the books, states are supposed to put it on the ballot and vote for it. But the scaremongers have won on that front.
Very democratic. Get it on the ballot and vote for or against it. That way you vote for what laws you actually want. States rights issues and all that, rather than the federal government forcing your state the ability not to choose things like this.
But what it feels like is "I could abort and now I can't." which is not true, you just have to work to get it on the ballot and vote for whether or not your state actually wants abortion legal or not.
However, if your child's birth may cause the injury or death of the mother or the child, abortion of this kind was never made illegal. I know people seem to bring up rape in this part, where they would be forced to birth a child of a rapist. The answer to this, is mostly no. You have to check how your state handles that. And no one has, because I keep hearing about it.
And we continue to hear about dumpster babies and trash babies being discovered. Abortion may be a gray area, (because umm sweaty, you didn't do the research) but leaving it at a fire station is not a gray area. That was always a thing you could do.
You would think being against the government telling you what you can and cannot do with your body also includes the ability to abort. But it seems like a lot of people just use abortion as a form of birth control, when there are cheaper and less homicidal ways.
I actually saw people getting upset over the "you can legally leave a kid with a fire station" (or hospital, or church, historically) as "legal abandonment is evil" kind of knee-jerk reaction thing. It's like they have no inkling that people have and do abandon their kids in dumpsters and forests instead (and yeah, there's a reason the recovered "feral children" of India never learned to be fully human, except for perhaps one case - they were retarded, and that's why their parents abandoned them, possibly near a carnivore's den ....)
Catholic nunneries have had "angel's cradle's" since at least the medieval period.
I remember debating this with a friend of mine, let's call him Malerion, Malerion's coworker had an abortion and he insulted her for it and got sent to HR, now what Malerion told me later is that she was a coal burner, his stance is abortion is still bad there, I disagreed.
Abortion is always evil. But my position is:
Blacks can do what they want in Africa. But they aren't bringing their shittiness and their abortion into my society.
I think if people just started calling it population control for degenerates and dysgenics it'd change the conversation.
Agreed. I am for abortions for these exact reasons.
Good people don't get abortions anyway so who cares what the others do? What's that saying... Never interfere with an enemy when he's in the process of destroying himself? Have an abortion. Great. Good for you. Don't procreate! Awesome!
Yeah. If people you don’t like want to abort their babies then let them. Seems like the winning play. It’s not like you have to abort your own.
No, no abortion among our people.
I've never seen a good argument against the legalization of abortion that wasn't a Christian religion based argument. (which I find wholly unpersuasive.)
I would also add a fourth reason to your list. If rape victims are impregnated by their rapists, then the mother should be allowed to abort. It is depraved to force someone to raise a rapist's baby.
I agree with point 1 and 3. The reality is needing an abortion is incredibly rare, and except for the most degenerate of people the likelihood you'd even need one is pretty low. But watching my aunt raise a child with an intellectual disability makes me want the option to have an abortion
Ive never been strictly “Pro-Life”. I just ask for 2 solutions:
Acknowledge that life begins objectively at conception and that abortion WILL END IN THE DEATH OF AN INFANT LIFE
Ban women from using it to dodge accountability or for convenience and/or give men more say in the abortion process. It’s incredibly easy not to get pregnant but hookup culture and general stupidity/laziness leads to women constantly getting pregnant with degenerate no-good fathers. I for one am all for watching these hoes cry their eyes out when being a whore finally has consequences again.
You're 💯% right but just look at this thread: the christcucks have been psyopped so hard they're incapable of thinking this basic stuff thru.
Children are a renewable resource. Adult humans have invested value.
Abortion makes perfect sense. Crime goes down, happiness goes up.
Only the sky wizard crowd has an issue with abortion because their silly book tells them they have to. Which makes sense - as a grifter writing rules for my victims, I want them to have as many children as possible. My cult has more power with more members. But for everyone else it isn't a practical idea.
I have no problem killing a cow for a nice steak. There is no reason killing a non-viable zygote so the adult can make their own choices isn't also acceptable. Life is not 'precious'. Life is a effect of infinite complexity in a universe where causality is maintained.
But abortion is the uniparties most loved wedge issue. Instead of just letting people do what they want the moral police have to step in and try to force their degeneracy. Just like the troons. If you get angry over this issue, take a step back a look at what else you are being controlled by.
A better strategy would be to only argue against 9month abortions. In fact the most pro-life people in the US are female (mothers)
Young Women have an in built preference to support each other when they feel attacked. (see below- she’s clearly not doing it for herself)
https://x.com/jmlara02/status/1823768190402617795
These same monsters will force the unvaccinated to get 7 shots they don’t need.
Also, focusing only on nine, or maybe eight or seven, months would force libs to defend what's basically undeniably outright infanticide.
None of those reasons make abortion legit.
How in the world is this on the hot post? It is completely barbaric and a denial that indecent people can reproduce decent and wonderful offspring.
Our union is not one of ethnicity but one of ideals. The biggest issue that faces America is not ethnicity but teaching the world the greatness of our ideals. That is what our God emperor dictates make America great again and America is an idea not a people. If you want to give up on America then you don't support Trump
If race doesn't matter then why are there racial groups for both parties except for us Whites exactly?
Civic nationalism is a fairy tale for children.
It's a psyop, nothing more.
We are a different forum than The Donald. Do not expect your insults or arguments to fly here.
Ya I don't support Trump lol. I don't support abortion because it's evil and destroys an innocent baby and harms the moral character of our society, not because I wanna teach that to the world.
Mandatory contraception for anyone on welfare?
I mean, make bigger prisons and put them to work. If they want to be productive members of society, awesome. If not, free labor
Nah this is why we are here now. No work. No nothing. Gtfo of our countries.
I am also fine with that. Revoke citizenship to shitbags and boot em lol. And obviously never allow noncitizens in our country
Isn't that system called "defunding the police"?