I know it's a thing generally these days because of how shit multiplayer especially has gotten but if I see something that's 'online' now I don't want anything to do with it. Every new release it's the same story, they can barely be called games anymore they're more like a live service with some minor gameplay elements tacked on in the most half-arsed way imaginable. That goes for a lot of supposedly singleplayer releases as well depending on the company.
I think I'd much rather pour my free hours into something like Microsoft Flight Simulator because then I'd at least gain a valuable skill from it and I've also found myself delving back into the good stuff that was the early 2000's releases. Even if you see something that looks vaguely promising it inevitably gets annihilated by the DEI contractors that plague this industry now.
It's extremely ironic that the games industry is trying to cater to anybody who isn't a gamer and they seem to be all mentally ill weirdos to one degree or another who have an addiction problem and fleece them for all their money before moving onto the next cringey fad. I'm sorry for coming across too black pilled, but if a game does well it seems like that developers will go out of their way to ruin it because yet again, they've shown that gamers do not matter and we're nothing more than a vehicle for hype to get their product into the normie sphere who just want to college digital items all day instead of play the fucking game.
Sounds like a Kotaku headline.
idk what it said but I upvoted it anyway since it was censored.
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Depends on what kind of online gaming you mean. I've never been interested in playing with strangers, so there's nothing to skip out on that for me. But I do still enjoy playing co-op games with IRL friends. Though this is almost entirely either old games like GR Wildlands or indie survival crafting games like Night of the Dead or Enshrouded. Anything that's too new or mainstream usually has too much bullshit tacked on. But I don't play arena, extraction, looter, hero or any other like of fad shooter game with lobbies of asshole strangers at all. Most people are dog shit to deal with in real life already. I certainly don't intentionally subject myself to dealing with them during my leisure activities on top of it.
Gave up online gaming 2021. I still miss Escape From Tarkov though.
I didn't stop because of the industry (although that did make the decision easier), I stopped because covid era showed how bad things really are in the world.
I decided to get healthier and stop wasting so much time escaping reality and start working towards shaping it. Playing games with the bros was an absolute blast, but I realized I was more of a child than a man bc of it.
I don’t know if it’s aging or just seeing the world around, but I’m with you. My gaming time is down 80% the last few years. I learned a lot from Covid clownery, and moving on from hiding behind escapism is one of those things. Why not use that effort to try to make less reason to want to escape? It’s going to be a different plan for everyone, but for me I put that time in either building family relationships or learning and enhancing skills. In a fun way though, it’s fun hanging out with nephews and cousins and I get to try to rub off some sanity on the future generation.. Or, if I’m working on skills, maybe I’m building something, maybe I’m on the computer developing something, but always learning. Video games for me now are just something to do the last hour or two of the day when it’s dark outside and I’m winding down for bed. It’s not a lifestyle anymore.
Meh, that's a moderation thing, it annoys me when people blame their personal problems on video games. Plenty of people including myself simply play for fun and to relax.
The fact you get annoyed at my personal problem seems odd. Did you feel personally attacked? Are your own justifications so shallow that a different perspective threatens them?
I didn't prescribe my path as righteous and that everyone should do it. I didn't call gamers childish, I said I felt childish. It's very clearly a personal decision I made for myself.
However it makes you feel is your problem.
fucking lol you're not even reading what I've posted properly and also I'm not annoyed, that's another thing I'm starting to thoroughly lambaste people on because if you think you can discern emotion from text you need to go outside. That's something that triggers the fuck out of me because then it turns into a stupid argument about whether or not I'm feeling an emotion and they think they're a psychiatrist when they're just not. It also by the way makes you ripe for trolling.
I never posted anything about being childish, I posted you were blaming your personal problems on video games. You know something, I have actually read material from the 'anti-gamer' crowd and people who have given up on it and it's like they're claiming they're giving up drugs when in reality all it is that they couldn't moderate their life properly and they're seeking out something to blame that isn't them because they realised they were such monumental fuckups. There are plenty of people out there who are playing video games and you wouldn't even suspect it.
Regarding video games generally, even cross party psychologists all agree video games have nothing to do with anything. They have not been able to find a single bit of evidence to suggest it either causes violence, sexism or any kind of addiction problems. Anybody who does have a problem usually has some kind of personal addiction issue that would inevitably end up on drugs or alcohol if it wasn't video games.
That's why as well they try and get mentally ill people hooked onto gatcha games or games with loot boxes because they fucking know people who would have an addiction problem with gambling will latch onto that. However the issue of gambling mechanics in video games is an entirely separate thing to games in general that don't have any of that.
Stopped reading your long ass cope post in the first sentence. You are some kind of nonsense machine apparently.
You're incapable of understanding context and now you're trying to act like that's some kind of retarded 'win' against me, stop being a redditor.
Whatever you say queer
This is true. Funnily enough most of the friends I've made online are also dads with very right wing beliefs and it's good to hang with them. Sadly most folks around me don't seem as based.
I've been out for several years now.
I occasionally play games with friends, but 95% of the time even that is online play just within our group (coop and the like). I also only play with people I know in person, or their friends, most of which I've at least met once or twice anyway. I haven't talked to an internet random in a video game since WoW Cataclysm in 2011, and I typically turn off any chat features entirely when I am online. I have no energy to waste on the scum that permeates online gaming now.
My favourite thing to hate on are the Turks that plague EU servers these days. It's so bad that I've been looking at breaking out games like Civilization 5 for my relax session and I kind of regard that game as the last true Civilization game anyway, they changed far too much for my tastes in Civ 6.
What's interesting is a lot of people seem to be going that route, so for example I never really got into Forza Horizon but it makes sense that even quite a few of the casual gamer types are going to old versions of modern games that are being heavily advertised these days. Forza Horizon 4 is what people play over Forza Horizon 5 and then the Sims 3 is what people play over The Sims 4.
It makes a lot of sense, because the shitty monetisation engine in the games industry will be done with the previous titles and that means you can at least buy it knowing that you've got a full complete game rather than them trying to milk you for all your worth through DLC or microtransactions. Or microtransactions that they try to disguise as DLC which is definitely also a thing these days.
Civ 6 is a microcosm of modern game design.
It's a classic strategy game where the AI poses no threat and can't play by the game's own rules.
Every DLC release added a new layer of half-baked game mechanic complexity , introducing another new system that the AI can't command & forcing the player to adopt their own house rules.
I'm convinced the reason for that is because they initially had a half-decent, workable AI coded in by somebody else, then the new 'DLC team' comes along and they are massive scrubs. You see the exact same issue with Paradox games, Stellaris in particular, every change they make to the game borks the AI further.
By the way, fun little thing I experimented with when studying the Stellaris AI which is basic bitch AI at it's finest. I deliberately left one gap in my defences when fortifying all of my systems and low and behold it turns out their 'pathfinding' simply selected the one open gap there after immediately declaring war if it was doing a fleet power check on me. That simply made me rage quit afterwards because it's almost as insultingly frustrating as the Total War Warhammer AI. I'm also convinced that no one at these dev teams know how to make changes which is why they're so focused on pumping out DLC.
My theory is, somebody named Tom who is a major autist and understands all of the code got contracted for about a year to whip them up something basic and workable. They paid Tom a fortune on top of getting a bonus for the sales of the initial release and now they're stuck with a skeleton crew of DEI hires who have no idea what they're doing while he's fucked off to the Caribbean for an early retirement with his money.
I'm convinced by the way that's how most AAA studios operate now and then they hit DEI scores as a way of keeping their profitability going rather than making anything gamers actually want. Yes they're scummy fucks who look down on gamers, but I think they really are also massive retards who couldn't create anything new even if they wanted to.
I do agree that the base game is likely the most "challenging" AI-wise, but even calling it half-decent is being way too charitable.
The problem since launch with Civ 6 is that the AI poses no military threat whatsoever beyond the opening era of the game on higher levels when they start with Turn 1 extra units.
Which is simply unforgivable for a franchise whose entire meta is all out war.
Enemy pathfinding is the worst nowadays in so many games. It's to the point where I'm pleasantly surprised when I can't just trick their AI into the most obvious killzone ever.
I'll try not to go into too much autistic detail with that, but it's because most modern 'AI programmers' know jackshit about navmesh and A* Algorithms and how they work. So they throw together some basic patrolling behaviour, maybe if they're feeling advanced some chasing and then call it a day. Not realising that the truly advanced AI design at least mimics some believable human/animal type behaviours.
If you want to know more you should check out Half Life 1 and Halo Combat Evolved videos, there are still people studying the AI to this day because it's so fascinating. Black and White 1 is another one too but that's buggy as fuck even though I love that game, those games make modern gaming look like absolute trash.
I’m from Texas. It’s Mexicans here. It’s been Mexicans here for many years.
I do play some Forza. Horizon has been going down each entry since 3. 5 is at best a DLC for 4. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not one to suggest that every new entry of a game series has to be revolutionary. I’m all in on if something is fun, more of the same is fine. The problem is it’s “less” more of the same. They got so freaking lazy. Even their rally DLC in FH5, look it’s more dirt and cactus! You didn’t have enough of that already! Forza Horizon 6 would have to blow my mind for me to be in on it, I’ve lost interest and shunned Microsoft since the launch of 5.
Seriously though, almost everything I play (outside of Forza I suppose, although it doesn’t get much time anymore) is either Indie-to-AA level online stuff to screw around in a bit with friends, or old stuff I have mostly on GOG. I’ve been replaying Doom 3 recently. It doesn’t feel old after a handful of years. I’ll probably get my hands on Dead Space on PC soon, I haven’t played through it in several years. Still have the Xbox version, but eh I’m starting to abandon that platform, so we will see.
People have bitched at me for bringing up my programming and game dev background in posts constantly but I can go into very autistic detail into exactly why the devs take the steps they do. Yes exactly, the deserts and the cacti? It's because it's so damn easy to texture compared to a lush forest for example, the same goes for snow too really but these days it seems even the normies expect some degree of interaction with the snow so maybe they don't want to do the tesselation which can get a bit tricky sometimes.
The graphics of modern games quickly lose their appeal when you realised it's the exact same procedurally generated crap every time. With some devs even in the AAA side of things are now resorting to AI art in order to pump out their utter crap these days.
I am much more impressed by an indie artist who does low poly art now and it's usually a red flag for me if I see high graphical fidelity. Particularly in the customisation side of things, it tells me that they probably jammed in some third party character creation tool and did everything in the most half-arsed way possible while pretending they worked on it for years. I can tell you now that in a lot of cases even with the art they did not spend years on it and sometimes depending on the studio the models look like they've been painted in Quixel Mixer for about 5 minutes maximum.
It's all just so much worse than people realise and you understand the kind of shitty workflow that modern studios go for.
I’m a huge fan of let’s say 2005-era 3D graphics. Enough level of detail to put me in place, not so much it has to be as much work. Before the PS3 era came along and made everything sepia. I also liked how much more time was spent on environmental lighting. Not that it had to be realistic, that means nothing to me. It gave areas a feel. They also had to make the game fun because otherwise it wasn’t much to look at.
I mean you’re right, the reason I never manage to finish a game is always the graphics, I don’t like doing graphics. I actually have a few things I think I can finish in mind now, but life happens at times and I can’t dedicate much time to it for a bit. Nothing revolutionary but it would be cool to actually release a game.
I haven't bought anything new for a while, I stopped playing R6 seige years ago because it got WAY too sweaty to being unfun to play.
I was interested in Helldivers 2 till Sony fucked it up, the main multiplayer I play is Warframe as despite some lefty pandering (they are based in Canada) they don't screw over their players as they came close to screwing up years ago but ever since they made one Dev called Pablo creative director I've gotten so many quality of life and fun updates that I've been happy to keep playing.
A lot of FPS multiplayers lost their charm for me years ago as they seem infected too much with the 'wring out every cent' mentality for their player base and too sweaty a mentality for playing it. I just wish I could have AC multiplayer again so that I can have a competitive game where patience and observation is rewarded more over pixel shots.
Not all online but most of the current gen stuff is gay. Private coop with friends for the most part though. way less BS than public servers.
Online games are a scam, you're literally paying for a "loicense" that can be taken for you for any reason (i.e saying niggerfaggot in chat)
and if its not interwoven into the official servers, it will be interwoven into private owned servers like in Hell let Loose (i said nigger once in response to getting teamkilled and bam i'm banned from 3 servers owned by the same bloke)
its not that different from other games, the censorship is either baked into the game itself or into the server
i miss the days when i can just casually drop N-bombs on Halo 3 and recieve them in kind, the gaming industry is too fucking gay, even Dota 2 had a new (((Algorithm))) that insta mutes you if you say bad words, and mind you it was one most "toxic" games on steam for nigh a decade, until last year...
Oh it's all monitoring you now even private servers won't be private and that will be partly because they've made under the table deals with glowies and are 'monitoring for extremism' when they don't understand the average GTA V voice lobby is filled with a bunch of black guys mic spamming each other.
yeah its servers with baked in Discord & Twitch features
thankfully, i use neither but i had to use Discord one time for accessing a single player mod for Stalker Anomaly (Stalker GAMMA) and one of the troon devs (not kidding he had a faggot tranny flag any everything) banned me for having an "offensive" username dispite not saying a single fucking word while being on the server
when the trannies take over modding projects, then its the real death knell
They're already halfway there. They got their hooks in Nexus, which is the primary host for mods, and I'm sure they've infiltrated the competition.
Afaik, GAMMA and most STALKER mods are on Moddb, not Nexus. It's one of the main reasons GAMMA uses its own installer to streamline the process. If it was on Nexus or the Steam workshop it would've just gone with said host's built-in mod collection approach instead.
There's no camaraderie in multiplayer games anymore. Third-party servers and server browsers are dead. There is only matchmaking controlled by algorithms made by developers who don't play their own games. All you get are retards that you'll never see again. Once the skill-based matchmaking algorithm decides you're winning too much with your current team, it'll decide to shuffle everyone around. When you solo queue, you're effectively a glorified bot for someone else to have fun in the game. The anticheat becomes more invasive, yet the cheaters remain. Reporting does nothing. Ban waves come in months later, when the game is near-dead and the publisher needs to pump up the player count for the next quarterly investor meeting. The cheaters come back after the next Steam sale.
I'm not doing it anymore.
Sums up the whole situation with multiplayer perfectly, multiplayer games were always pretty faddy lets be real, but now it seems that the developers deliberately make it all that way so they can milk the whales in waves, everything revolves around the whales and not making a game with gameplay.
Yup, I've put less than 100 hours of csgo/cs2 in the past 5 years because devs forget adults who don't watch e-sports or buy skins exist. Because of the type of person that buys cheats, a competitive shooter is in a catch-22. Go niche and reduce revenue to attract a self-selecting audience, or go big and get all the human NPCs (who Eternal September organic indie successes) and tech-illiterates that can't bother to install hacks in a VM or seperate machine.
The games industry is part of the ivory tower bi-coastal elite. It's infested with DEI hires and functions as an epicenter for the feminist-diversity racket. It's the same reason why the Linux community is a clown parade of circus freaks.
Left-progressives are notoriously intolerant towards wrongthink. Your response should be the same.
I never ditched online gaming. Online gaming ditched me.
They killed community servers. In the rare cases you can get a community server, you have to pay for the pleasure of renting one monthly, instead of it just being a headless machine at your home that you could set up with software that came on the game disc. Then in some games, you have to be vetted to be a good boy on a server you are paying for, and abide by their rules, or some easily offended jerk can get your server rights revoked.
They're chasing the perpetually online GAAS treadmill style of game, and have an in game shop to help cut down on the amount of time it gets to get [X] while doing everything in their power to make playing the game obnoxious until you pay.
Phone games had this market cornered so I'm told, and now it's infecting real games.
This isn't even getting into the fact that the people who used to make the games I love are now old enough to retire, and have. So there's no reason for me to even consider a new game unless a bunch of friends are playing it. My steam wish list has a bunch of older titles and indie titles in it to remind me about their release, so I can watch and wait to make sure DEI and censorship didn't kill it for the modern audience.
Very few games made in the last 5 years are drop in drop out co-op like Saints Row 3 and 4, for example. That is the exact thing I am looking for, and aside from a group of indie games, you just can't find that.
That's why I like steam so much. It has been an absolute godsend with remote play. I can get a game for a few bucks, or a friend can, and we can play together, even if we're across country. It might not be couch co-op, but it's as close as internet play together can be.
I bought an XBox Series X (an upgrade from my Xbox One S) in the midst of Covid with the plan of doing some more gaming and... I haven't touched it in nearly 3 years now.
None of the games out there are even worth looking at.
If you had told younger self me that I'd become disenchanted with playing video games...
I really do think that the solution to most problems in tech is for the autists to take it upon themselves to rebuild everything from scratch if need be and gatekeep the fuck out of it.
I ditched team-based and solo online quite a while ago now. It's pretty much exclusively limited to co-op, and even that is a rarity for me.
Multiplayer became shit because of the emphasis on matchmaking and public servers. Private servers allowed for self-moderation (or the lack thereof if you preferred) and was infinitely better for nearly everyone. Did you want an unironically good Christian server that didn't allow swearing? It probably existed. You want one where you can troll to your hearts content? It existed. Wanted a try-hard server? You bet those existed too.
The only type of person matchmaking benefits are those delusional enough to believe the algorithm works in matching them up with others. But the hard truth is that it never does. You will never get a skin-head and a feminist to get along online. It simply doesn't happen. But matchmaking says we should put these two in a lobby and surely this will work out.
The end of the private server as the default is the biggest hit to the health of the online gaming landscape, and nothing will change my mind.
Yes. Couldn't give two shits about online games. Single player or GTFO.
Megacorps have been poor generally for RTS games and more niche games.
In other news, Shapez 2 came out and so did Sins of a Solar Empire 2. Indie autists know how to make the games I want.
Haven't heard of Shapez 2 but I did see Sins and I'm glad that got a sequel, not necessarily my thing though, may check out Shapez a bit and see what it's about so thanks for the heads up on indie titles.
Edit: Nevermind, factory builder, not my thing LOL
Well, currently my friend invited me to play deadlock so...
Damn, if it weren't for the month long friend waiting period I'd be begging right now. I love the late beta stage of F2P games, it's the least cancerous they will ever be.
I abandoned a lot of it.
I still play the hell out of Hunt:Showdown with my friends tho. That's about the only mp game I play. I'm currently doing a Witcher 3 playthrough again on PC, and then I'll be playing Ghost of Tsushima (again, but on PC now)
Pm me if wanna group up on hunt on steam? I play nae a lot and play with some pretty based guys but always looking for cool people that enjoy some good racism banter.
What's funny is that the most fun and engaging "online game" I've played in a decade was Sea of Thieves and that game is famous for having literally nothing to do in it besides make up your own adventure. Its got its seasonal battlepass but that literally flies to max level playing any part of it. I even bought a few cosmetics because after a few hundreds hours I felt I could toss the devs a few dollars since I got the game for 10$.
Its really that simple. Make a game I enjoy playing and I'll convince myself to give you more money.
Speak for yourself nigger. I fucking love collecting in games. I 100% complete Donkey Kong 64 every few years and would kill for that style of game to come back. I grind achievements and collect every bullshit irrelevant skin or whatever the game has available as long as it doesn't require direct currency (I'll grind to get X Coins that are also buyable if the rate isn't laughably bad).
That is part of the joy of a game for me and them doing it badly doesn't suddenly make the entire baby worth throwing out with their garbage bathwater.
I only really play online pvp cause ive always enjoyed competition. If anyone likes playing hunt showdown it's pretty fun. Hmu.
Frankly, I'm starting to just get bored with fictional, imaginary, and simulated amusements in general.
And not just because of the drop in quality over the years, but simply me realizing how goofy, wasteful, immaterial, and utterly life consuming it truly is.
Or maybe I've just not been achieving the proper balance. It's all too easy to end up gorging on even a healthy "gourmet" game, to the point to where you've been taking reality for granted.
That's the right attitude, it is all about balance, you can get away with it in your childhood because you don't really have anything going on. Even adults though who don't go out much do have their responsibilities and also adults if they can earn the money do have more freedom to do stuff.
A lot of driving games for me unless they're ludicrous for example kind of lost their appeal for me because I can drive a real car now. I'm also going to be getting a motorbike license and that should let me do even more. I could go out and find a track day and do racing if I really wanted to and had the buzz to do something.
Stuff like sci-fi and fantasy though? Can't do that really RL, still fun but it's also worth pointing out if you've played old games to death modern games are almost all objectively shit and this is partly why I encourage people to try out game dev. We need to make our own games that cater to us, because the studios are all targeting mentally ill whales.
Playing with squeakers (kids) was always a red flag that you were about to have an awful time, and now kids are dumber and more arrogant than ever. So many games are toxic by default just because they don't do enough to make griefing difficult. Unless a game has a devout following after a few years which tends to favor good team play after the tards have got tired of it (think Deep Rock Galactic), then fuck it.
Autism post that got out of control but this tells you how much I played CS back in the day
I hadn't realised this at first, but because k/d ratio matters more than anything to a lot of the sweats now on CS:2 you had people who even on casual would camp like their lives depended on it but the problem is they absolutely sucked and would have done much better if they played the game normally.
Great example is De_Dust 2 and I saw how they would constantly camp T spawn ignoring everything else and then it hit me that this was some kind of moronic meta they were doing to try and funnel CTs into a killzone. Everyone who knows that map knows at the very least if you're going to do that you defend B tunnel so CT doesn't get any funny ideas about rushing.
However because they were so objectively bad and couldn't even hit mid properly with a bunch of them having awps the CTs would rush mid to B tunnel and rush B tunnel generally. This means that even if you had a couple of guys on T who were smart enough to try and hold B tunnel we'd just get overwhelmed and it would lead to T being steamrolled every fucking time because they sucked and would never look left to check for CTs coming in.
Oh but Lethn, why don't you just screech at them about B tunnel? Yeah, can't do that because now games are more 'accessible' than ever it's filled with non-english speakers who will just ignore you and it's not like anybody pays attention to any of that crap anyway because of all the spamming kids. So this means because of their retarded behaviour you're simply stuck as others have pointed out being a bot for other players to farm.
The only way to play multiplayer games now is to try and hook up with a reasonably organised clan or something and some friends otherwise you're going to be pulling out your hair having to deal with randoms and that's assuming the gameplay isn't total shit.
I still like to play Rocket League with my friends. There are a few woke flags (that nobody seems to use), but other than that, it's fun.
I took a long break, but got back into it when Apex Legends came out. I played the shit out of Apex until about a year ago. It went the way of every shooter where they kept releasing new legends who were increasingly OP (gotta sell those skins) and just generally started going to shit.
I miss the competition and getting my heart pumping trying to clutch up, but for now I'm sticking with Starcraft 2 and an older golf game I have.
I sent the message to delete my Steam account yesterday. The fact that they make that a process in itself pisses me off, espeically considering that I don't actually own anything there.
As much as PC gaming can be fun, its main distribution being service-oriented has been a double-edged sword with the edge facing the player getting more honed. I've been searching local game stores for used old gems and will stick to playing those for now/fixing up older systems.
Ah yes, it should be an instant thing to delete contacts, purchases, etc and able to be done as soon as someone gains access to an account.
What is wrong with you to complain that it isn't quick as a few clicks to delete an account?
That's ballsy, I'd still keep my steam account purely because it has value for me, I've got old games on there that I'd load up and play if the mood hits me. Ironically though it's been epic that's proven to have the most value because I've managed to nab quite a few full singleplayer games on my account for free. The amount of times that I've purchased a steam game back in the day only to discover that I'm not buying the 'full' game and I was only buying access to DLCs annoyed the fuck out of me.
You're getting ripped off if you buy a 3 months into release, the patient gamers are right. You should wait at least a year after release before going anywhere near this crap then the development cycle will largely be finished.
No, I just play older games online again
Mostly, if I go back to Monster Hunter games, I sometimes play those with randos. That's about it.
Yeah, I also find myself going for slower paced stuff too. Can't be arsed with online chat.
I think I never played any western multiplayer title except dark age of camelot mmorpg. Duke Nukem 64 and Halo in splitscreen with friends, but first person online shooters or mobas never interested me or other western mmorpgs. Played some asian mmos 15 years ago and ds3 invading but despite that only singleplayer games. And yeah maybe hearthstone a few weeks but thats barely multiplayer...