Problem is, you can't really sell yourself as a self-improvement guy if you have as many homelife fuck ups as Peterson does. Between failing to raise his daughter and becoming a junkie, he lost any highground to preach from. Same with any claim he could have to practice psychology on a therapeutic level.
So he might not be wrong in what he is saying, but now him being the one saying it taints it whatsoever because of his personal failings.
Exactly. His most famous piece of advice is probably the "clean your room" line, or to put it in its more formal form, "set your own house in order before you criticize the world." His own house is clearly not in order but he keeps criticizing the world, so now what?
the second advice being "pick the highest load you can, and carry it"
and he's a living example of why thats bad advice : do that and you'll end up burnt out and addicted to things that temporarily allow you to not notice that you're burnt out.
I don't know your situation or history, but for me personally everything I gained from Peterson has been more thoroughly articulated, expanded upon, and clarified since joining the Orthodox church and studying the topic from the inside. Peterson says things that sound incredibly insightful until you learn that the entire Christian theological tradition spanning two thousand years has been saying the same or better. You just don't hear about it because academia has been overtly secular and anti-Christian for over 60 years now.
Keeping the Jungian approach alive is pretty impressive, Marxists in academia would much rather that psychology be dominated by behaviorism and constructivism since they want to believe that human behavior can be straightforwardly manipulated like lab rats. Materialism in general has a stranglehold on the cognitive sciences, since Marxists and technocratic liberals alike resent the idea that humans are more than just biological robots.
having a degree at least proves that you took the time to study shit. that's more than most people can say.
taking the medical industry for example, yes there's a ton of snake oil being pushed in it right now. but at the end of the day, I would still trust a surgeon to do my medical procedure over some dude off the street.
you want an Inquisition? my post history is plain to see. my convictions have largely not changed.
As far as my username goes, it's derived from how batshit the left has gotten. I consider myself in line with a lot of mainstream left as policies circa the 90s and 00s. but the left swung so hard into collectivism and authoritarianism, that without doing anything I became a heretic to leftist dogma within a few years, pretty much exactly overlapping with the gamergate controversy.
My guy, you simply don’t recognize that what is happening is the end result of those policies you like, just taken to their logical conclusion. Liberalism will always devolve to this.
we are surrounded by authoritarians on all sides right now because power corrupts, and only those that seek power run for office. I reject the notion that what we are dealing with is the end result of any (actual) liberal ideology.
inb4 but muh mass immigration, muh homeless crisis, muh niggers!
all these issues stem from welfare slavery, importing desperate people and then addicting them to government handouts and making them dependent. that's not liberalism. the welfare state was one of the leftist positions that I universally rejected growing up.
Replies got mixed up. I was commenting on what you said about "at least graduates studied something," an idea which I can assure you has some footnotes to mention.
I've got a degree and close to a decade of learning/training in Psychology.
Peterson is repeating basic shit an undergrad could know if they showed up to most of their classes, and then repackaging it with really good viral marketing. I was writing similar shit in a Mock Action Plan for Male Focused Therapy in my junior year.
Every time someone mentions pendulum theory, I think of norm’s joke about how the worst part of Muslims killing millions of people with a nuclear bomb would be the rise in Islamophobia.
We have Marxist boots on our throats. Now is not the time to worry about right wing fascism.
It's not "fascism" to take issue with foreign agents infiltrating our government and siphoning out funds to their homeland.
And what's the "extreme right wing" pendulum swing on the trans issue? Don't cut kids cocks or tits off?
Who is calling for "fascism"? State regulation of industry? "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."? Everyone hates and mistrusts all current institutions because they are all corrupt or malevolent. No one wants to etch them in stone for a 1000 year reich.
Absolute melt brain word-sayer. Needs to be sent back to Israel for warranty service.
And what's the "extreme right wing" pendulum swing on the trans issue? Don't cut kids cocks or tits off?
Sewing extra cocks onto guys and extra tits onto girls. If cutting them off is one way, then attaching extra ones is the other way! The Liberals fear the multi-cock MAN and the infini-boob WOMAN.
This isn't even poignant. "Heh. I totally called it that people would get incensed when forced play along with mental illness and watch their children get mutilated and die because of marxist nonsense. I'm so smart."
It's like I predict that if you punch Tom in the face, Tom will want to punch you back! I'm a fuckin oracle!
The future scholar who had an unfortunate episode was a victim of the socioeconomic realities of living in a white supremacist nation. His justified rebellion against the systems of power Tom enjoys benefits from is no cause for Tom to lash out and strike in hate. These far-right, fascistic tendencies Tom displays can't be allowed in our democracy
Eh, I think he does sometimes, but his daughter is a fucking fruitcake.
I don't know what the hell happened to her but she's all over the place when it comes to her opinions.
I think it has everything to do with her being a woman.
Unearned success likely the culprit along with a sudden influx of wealth.
She subverted his brand during the worst of COVID when he went missing for a year in his benzo stupor.
We also don't tend to hear much about Peterson's wife Tammy besides the fact that she almost died of breast cancer.
She could be subvertive behind the scenes as well.
Problem is, you can't really sell yourself as a self-improvement guy if you have as many homelife fuck ups as Peterson does. Between failing to raise his daughter and becoming a junkie, he lost any highground to preach from. Same with any claim he could have to practice psychology on a therapeutic level.
So he might not be wrong in what he is saying, but now him being the one saying it taints it whatsoever because of his personal failings.
Exactly. His most famous piece of advice is probably the "clean your room" line, or to put it in its more formal form, "set your own house in order before you criticize the world." His own house is clearly not in order but he keeps criticizing the world, so now what?
the second advice being "pick the highest load you can, and carry it"
and he's a living example of why thats bad advice : do that and you'll end up burnt out and addicted to things that temporarily allow you to not notice that you're burnt out.
This was my first major disagreement with him.
I'm a single Dad with two kids and no help. Should I pick up more burden and risk everything collapsing?
Don't sweat it. You're already carrying the highest load.
If you can't carry it, then don't pick it up. There's nothing in that bit of advice that tells you that you must break yourself.
I don't know your situation or history, but for me personally everything I gained from Peterson has been more thoroughly articulated, expanded upon, and clarified since joining the Orthodox church and studying the topic from the inside. Peterson says things that sound incredibly insightful until you learn that the entire Christian theological tradition spanning two thousand years has been saying the same or better. You just don't hear about it because academia has been overtly secular and anti-Christian for over 60 years now.
his politics are definitely retarded, but he is well studied in the field of psychology.
the first correct rebuttal all day
FTFY
resisting indoctrination is what got his license suspended
Keeping the Jungian approach alive is pretty impressive, Marxists in academia would much rather that psychology be dominated by behaviorism and constructivism since they want to believe that human behavior can be straightforwardly manipulated like lab rats. Materialism in general has a stranglehold on the cognitive sciences, since Marxists and technocratic liberals alike resent the idea that humans are more than just biological robots.
Brother man, having a degree that says you know shit does not actually guarantee that you know shit.
The medical industry has been proving this for ages now.
having a degree at least proves that you took the time to study shit. that's more than most people can say.
taking the medical industry for example, yes there's a ton of snake oil being pushed in it right now. but at the end of the day, I would still trust a surgeon to do my medical procedure over some dude off the street.
I’m not listening to you until we suss out your heretic status
you want an Inquisition? my post history is plain to see. my convictions have largely not changed.
As far as my username goes, it's derived from how batshit the left has gotten. I consider myself in line with a lot of mainstream left as policies circa the 90s and 00s. but the left swung so hard into collectivism and authoritarianism, that without doing anything I became a heretic to leftist dogma within a few years, pretty much exactly overlapping with the gamergate controversy.
My guy, you simply don’t recognize that what is happening is the end result of those policies you like, just taken to their logical conclusion. Liberalism will always devolve to this.
we are surrounded by authoritarians on all sides right now because power corrupts, and only those that seek power run for office. I reject the notion that what we are dealing with is the end result of any (actual) liberal ideology.
all these issues stem from welfare slavery, importing desperate people and then addicting them to government handouts and making them dependent. that's not liberalism. the welfare state was one of the leftist positions that I universally rejected growing up.
Sounds like you're arguing that the course of history is predetermined by a dialectical process.
Pretty Marxist way to think lol.
Well what desires are impish? How far do we want to go down this rabbit hole?
I just want to point at others, please leave me out of this
I live in Canada, so I'll take the street dude.
But this just isn't true categorically, and my stint as a college essay writer for chinese cheaters is proof.
that would be called cheating, a form of fraud. with the amount of scrutiny that Peterson is under, they would have found fraud if it was there.
Replies got mixed up. I was commenting on what you said about "at least graduates studied something," an idea which I can assure you has some footnotes to mention.
Have you ever listened to one of his lectures? He just rambles incoherently about nothing
And then he cries
I've got a degree and close to a decade of learning/training in Psychology.
Peterson is repeating basic shit an undergrad could know if they showed up to most of their classes, and then repackaging it with really good viral marketing. I was writing similar shit in a Mock Action Plan for Male Focused Therapy in my junior year.
Do we really need a daily update on this dumb broad's twitter feed? It seems a bit excessive.
Peterson's thread itself is basically dead.
It's peculiar sometimes what interests the autists and what doesn't.
I always wondered about that. I could've sworn he said he gave up on Twitter but he still blasts shit out that pisses leftists out.
Every time someone mentions pendulum theory, I think of norm’s joke about how the worst part of Muslims killing millions of people with a nuclear bomb would be the rise in Islamophobia.
We have Marxist boots on our throats. Now is not the time to worry about right wing fascism.
I worry it might build pools and concert halls again, instead of solving the problem.
It's not "fascism" to take issue with foreign agents infiltrating our government and siphoning out funds to their homeland.
And what's the "extreme right wing" pendulum swing on the trans issue? Don't cut kids cocks or tits off?
Who is calling for "fascism"? State regulation of industry? "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."? Everyone hates and mistrusts all current institutions because they are all corrupt or malevolent. No one wants to etch them in stone for a 1000 year reich.
Absolute melt brain word-sayer. Needs to be sent back to Israel for warranty service.
Sewing extra cocks onto guys and extra tits onto girls. If cutting them off is one way, then attaching extra ones is the other way! The Liberals fear the multi-cock MAN and the infini-boob WOMAN.
Did he? I used to listen to a lot of his stuff at that time and I can't recall this idea coming up publicly.
This isn't even poignant. "Heh. I totally called it that people would get incensed when forced play along with mental illness and watch their children get mutilated and die because of marxist nonsense. I'm so smart."
It's like I predict that if you punch Tom in the face, Tom will want to punch you back! I'm a fuckin oracle!
Cue the "Extremists on both sides are to blame!" guys. "Tom is just as bad as the other side for punching back."
The future scholar who had an unfortunate episode was a victim of the socioeconomic realities of living in a white supremacist nation. His justified rebellion against the systems of power Tom enjoys benefits from is no cause for Tom to lash out and strike in hate. These far-right, fascistic tendencies Tom displays can't be allowed in our democracy
Funny . Now do Israel.
The hardest narrative to break, yet the most important one...
Look at her mom’s nose.