I honestly don't care. GW is woke, they figured that the tv series will bring in a lot of new players so they can discard their current player base. Lets face it, they will probably lose about 15% of player base, if we are lucky and their initial boost will be higher then that. Odds are they will not be able to keep them and will hurt them in the long run but at that point no one cares - it will be blamed on "market volatility" and ww3.
The series will cement the idea of female custodes, even the "based" of the new fans will not care since that is day 0 for them.
They will have space marine 2 and probably other games that will be male focus and then do a bit of a slow boiling frog with the rest of the setting.
One year later, Custodes will be half females in all packs and some new female characters and it will be revealed that some long lost primarch is actually a woman and they will make an entire division of female space marines out of that. Also some characters will start sharing their sexual preferences, space wolves will be multi-racial furies and I think they were already planning on making Adeptus Mechanicus gender neutral.
I don't care why the dam broke, I care about the flood.
We already talked about this in the other thread, but the boiling frog theory has actually never been realized in practice with established IPs. It's more like the frog is poked with a knife, then brutally stabbed over and over until it's an inchoate mass of viscera.
Star Wars had TFA, a billion dollar hat trick which people actually caught onto pretty quickly, then the Last Jedi destroyed the profitability of the franchise.
The Witcher had a mediocre-to-decent first season with butt ugly women, then went off a cliff.
The Last of Us was a masterpiece narrative due to the efforts of Bruce Straley. Neil Druckmann murdered the series with a golf club in the second game.
Tomb Raider 2013 was a decent reboot that made a big splash. Lots of players, fan discussion, fanart, etc. Rise of the Tomb Raider was recognized as middling, Shadow of the Tomb Raider came and went before anyone realized it was there.
Game of Thrones went very woke in the last two seasons, became a disaster of historic proportions, and ended the careers of its showrunners despite bringing in record viewership.
Moral of the story, these people are mentally deranged and can't help driving themselves off a cliff, much like the two lesbians who murder suicided their six adopted children.
This reads like cope. GW is woke because they have to be as a modern publicly traded company… they’ve literally declared their wokeness like multiple times in the past. You just gotta accept that it was always just a matter of time until they’d gay up 40K lore
I'm not aware of any other woke retcons. A bunch of necromorphs have been pushing for female space marines for decades but they've never gotten anywhere.
Some big clues in the social media presence over the past couple years. That whole Warhammer is for EVERYONE! Post, and all of the 'We demand Nazis leave our tables' blah blah. Because of that cosplay bro at a con.
Now, this could just be activist community support employees. But, all the places I've worked at over the years, if you have activist female CS reps, you've got lonely, simp employees trying to impress them.
That's just one small facet. GW's SJW defenses are probably a sieve at this point. From Blackrock/Vanguard to any university hire from the past 8 years.
Their kit / model photos and some sculpts have been highly diversified. 2020 Londonized. Even though these chapters are from the same bloodline, all of a sudden there's POC marines and officers everywhere. From what I hear the novels are falling over themselves to add GLBTAER+2S characters. Maybe pressure from publisher or DEI shit, I dunno.
This is two years outdated already, but you can see how they are celebrating the conquered territory. Then those book characters make it back into the main branch or side projects.
Here you can see the usual, the formulaic 'Ok, it's happening, but it's a good thing!' cope article. These kind of articles exist in many different forms. Some coordinated invasion to get the NPCs to just bite the pillow and accept it.
This is an interesting account, can't put much trust in it but fun to think about.
SoS don't speak. The "differently-abled" suggestion was pushed by GW but they don't speak by choice. SoB are too religious and Amazon thinks it'll be a turn-off. The female inquisitor in power armor was the last hope, but Amazon wants to be able to take the character out of the armor and still have them be powerful. It's all been a massive headache.
That paragraph was striking. I always forget how alien and evil these people are. Just the idea that a character might be religiously motivated is anathema to them.
Power armor as a crutch is an obvious story choice, if they were intent on telling a story. Instant stakes and payoffs, just by deciding whether the character starts a situation in armor or not.
They're fine with religion so long as it's blatantly satanic, but not with anything even remotely similar to Christianity (like humanity in 40k). Seriously, check out any atheist forum and they constantly shit on Christianity, but many openly embrace satanism. You'll find contextual clues, either blatant or subtle, for what the people in power support by reading the narratives they push in the sectors they control.
wants to be able to take the character out of the armor and still have them be powerful
Which they could have done with an Inquisitor. Biomancy is a thing (albeit mostly a chaos thing, but still).
You can do anything with inquisitors in this setting, they're outside the law and governed only by rule of cool. You want a super powerful female inquisitor who can dent armor with her bare hands? Have her be warp tainted, tormented by the spectre of Khorne, always half a step away from giving into bloodlust.
Have her be warp tainted, tormented by the spectre of Khorne, always half a step away from giving into bloodlust.
Then they couldn't push their obvious "awesome lesbian power couple who triumphs over all" story nonsense, since they can't make the Chaos characters good guys. That's the only reason they want them out of the armour.
I wouldn't put it past them to make a show where main characters are Slaanesh cultists who "just want to be free to love who they want", fighting against Imperial and Aeldari bigot chuds.
Frankly I think it's a pretty cool setup for a Dark Heresy character. Puritan Inquisitor gets stabbed, starts having nightmares of the skull throne, each time waking up flailing as if in a fight, leaving ever bigger dents in the wall as Khorne's power infects their body.
Games Workshop is in for a reckoning when they realize that a 3D printer and about 10 pounds of the resin material to make models is cheaper than a full army.
Plausible, but I dunno how much it matters. I cannot imagine a world in which GW backtracks. Within five years, Guilliman's right-hand "man" will be an outspoken black female Ultramarine. Bezos could go on live TV and admit that he bribes spiteful lib rats with the opportunity to burn the culture they hate, and not a single thing would change.
It's only a matter of time before Slaanesh is rewritten as a hero. It's the only logical conclusion for how they put troons on a pedestal and overtly celebrate degeneracy now.
How dare you question Sassafraisha Gomezsmith's ability! She is a strong, African-Terran Queer marine of 4 spirits. She earned every promotion and accolade.
Someone probably pulled all of this directly out of his ass, but there’s also like a 90% chance it’s essentially true. When you understand the shape of the world in which we live, you can make very accurate predictions about events taking place behind closed doors.
It’s like how we all know there is a literal white board policy at Disney that requires female characters to overshadow male characters in every piece of new media they create.
I'm pretty sure this is legit. I recognize the person posting that from 4chan, they actually posted a bunch of insider information about the current model lines and future releases for all of Games Workshop's games. The leaks for Warhammer stuff has been dead on for years and even former staff who have started Youtube channels have said there is someone on the staff leaking stuff there but they just haven't been able to find the person doing it.
Cavil might have caused the situation on accident cause he leaked the show before the paperwork was finalized, which gave Amazon a lot more negotiation power than they should have had.
I don't get that one. Surely the sudden positive buzz about a 40k show would have given GW more leverage not Amazon? It showed they had a product that people wanted and Amazon stood to lose out on a potential big hit if they couldn't secure the license from GW.
The problem here is even with situational good leverage is Amazon is a behemoth and GW are amateurs who struggle not to trip over their own feet on the best of days. They've never been very good with their licencing and I don't doubt Amazon ate them up at the negotiation table.
Doesn't Games Workshop actively hamstring its own IP regularly? I specifically remember when Syama Pedersen came out with the Astartes fan shorts on Youtube, which were so good that they single handedly got tens of thousands of people (or more) into the IP. And yet, GM bought him out, "hired" him to make videos for them, forced him to take the videos down on his own channel, and then GM reuploaded them onto their shitty website with worse sound effects and music. It was around this same time that GW threw the lawfare book at almost all of the fanmade content creators, forcing most to take their stuff down or stop production. GW would've made more money by leaving Syama and other fan content creators alone, which would've driven sales of all 40k stuff up.
I'm not even familiar with most of the crap GM has done, only read some of what they've done from the fans, but they've also explicitly attacked anyone who unironically likes the human faction in 40k, since they're "fascists", and "how could you like fascists, everyone is supposed to be bad guys in 40k". It's the same garbage as globalists/lefties attacking anyone who dares to like a bad/racist/fascist character/group/fictional work, if it portrays them in a positive light or makes them look cool, even to the smallest degree. Lefties are fine with "viewer interpretation" when it contradicts wrongthink from the author, but perfectly fine to claim "media literacy!" when the fans reject the stupidity from the author and actively embrace the cool factor. This recently happened with the Helldivers 2 game, which spurred on discussion of Starship Troopers, and the hilarious attempt to "mock" the source material (and fascism) by the movie's director.
If true, I stand corrected. The reasoning does make sense - to me the Custodes are an irrelevancy, but if you're a commie outsider then you just want to grab whatever has the biggest numbers and with the Emperor and the Primarchs off limits that leaves the Custodes as the next biggest prize.
The Emperor and the Primarchs off-limits... For now. It'll just take some warp hazard with Slaanesh to trannify Leman Russ, or Tzeentch decides Magnus the Red needs to represent monthly flows, and he becomes Magna the Red.
Slaanesh-tainted Chaos-aligned Sisters of Battle. Perfectly plausible and possible. Warp-aura makes up for their lack of armor. They get corrupted from the ecstasy and joy they feel for The Emperor, slowly, subtly, over time.
The Emperor doesn't need power armor to be powerful, you should follow his example. The Emperor needs humanity to be fruitful and multiply, to defend against the demons. The Emperor wants you to take out the heretics that say you should be chaste, they're trying to drive humanity to extinction. The Emperor wants you to join with the daemons angels who are just trying to bring back up humanity's numbers for the glorious holy war against Chaos. Faith in The Emperor is your shield and sheltering cloth, so your mundane dress should be in a manner that helps men ready themselves for their duty of continuing humanity. [You now have bikini warriors]. If the men you encounter aren't actively continuing humanity, they should be punished, then allowed to redeem themselves upon the closest local (who is of course willing, after all, any who do not consent are Chaos cultists aiming to deplete humanity's population and should be skinned alive in the town square, then he may redeem himself upon the next local, usually there's only one or two Cultists per city that need skinning before it's all sorted out). As The Emperor's most faithful and truest followers, you should go planet to planet, making sure this ideology is followed.
You now have a Slaaneshi sex-cult faction of Sororitas. I hope you enjoy your bikini-wearing women in 40k.
Huh I'd have thought it was Blackrock with their slow knife of 11% stake but it was actually Amazon.
I feel more bad for Cavill, it's like he's cursed in all his projects for this shit to happen..
Cavil: gets an ironclad contract to respect the lore
Amazon: gets GW to warp the lore so it can fulfill the letter of said contract
I honestly don't care. GW is woke, they figured that the tv series will bring in a lot of new players so they can discard their current player base. Lets face it, they will probably lose about 15% of player base, if we are lucky and their initial boost will be higher then that. Odds are they will not be able to keep them and will hurt them in the long run but at that point no one cares - it will be blamed on "market volatility" and ww3.
The series will cement the idea of female custodes, even the "based" of the new fans will not care since that is day 0 for them.
They will have space marine 2 and probably other games that will be male focus and then do a bit of a slow boiling frog with the rest of the setting.
One year later, Custodes will be half females in all packs and some new female characters and it will be revealed that some long lost primarch is actually a woman and they will make an entire division of female space marines out of that. Also some characters will start sharing their sexual preferences, space wolves will be multi-racial furies and I think they were already planning on making Adeptus Mechanicus gender neutral.
I don't care why the dam broke, I care about the flood.
We already talked about this in the other thread, but the boiling frog theory has actually never been realized in practice with established IPs. It's more like the frog is poked with a knife, then brutally stabbed over and over until it's an inchoate mass of viscera.
Star Wars had TFA, a billion dollar hat trick which people actually caught onto pretty quickly, then the Last Jedi destroyed the profitability of the franchise.
The Witcher had a mediocre-to-decent first season with butt ugly women, then went off a cliff.
The Last of Us was a masterpiece narrative due to the efforts of Bruce Straley. Neil Druckmann murdered the series with a golf club in the second game.
Tomb Raider 2013 was a decent reboot that made a big splash. Lots of players, fan discussion, fanart, etc. Rise of the Tomb Raider was recognized as middling, Shadow of the Tomb Raider came and went before anyone realized it was there.
Game of Thrones went very woke in the last two seasons, became a disaster of historic proportions, and ended the careers of its showrunners despite bringing in record viewership.
Moral of the story, these people are mentally deranged and can't help driving themselves off a cliff, much like the two lesbians who murder suicided their six adopted children.
This reads like cope. GW is woke because they have to be as a modern publicly traded company… they’ve literally declared their wokeness like multiple times in the past. You just gotta accept that it was always just a matter of time until they’d gay up 40K lore
Pushing any diversity bs is ass cancer to a franchise. 40k has been going woke anyway from my understanding though
I'm not aware of any other woke retcons. A bunch of necromorphs have been pushing for female space marines for decades but they've never gotten anywhere.
Some big clues in the social media presence over the past couple years. That whole Warhammer is for EVERYONE! Post, and all of the 'We demand Nazis leave our tables' blah blah. Because of that cosplay bro at a con.
Now, this could just be activist community support employees. But, all the places I've worked at over the years, if you have activist female CS reps, you've got lonely, simp employees trying to impress them.
That's just one small facet. GW's SJW defenses are probably a sieve at this point. From Blackrock/Vanguard to any university hire from the past 8 years.
Their kit / model photos and some sculpts have been highly diversified. 2020 Londonized. Even though these chapters are from the same bloodline, all of a sudden there's POC marines and officers everywhere. From what I hear the novels are falling over themselves to add GLBTAER+2S characters. Maybe pressure from publisher or DEI shit, I dunno.
This is two years outdated already, but you can see how they are celebrating the conquered territory. Then those book characters make it back into the main branch or side projects.
Reddit post collecting rainbow victories
Here you can see the usual, the formulaic 'Ok, it's happening, but it's a good thing!' cope article. These kind of articles exist in many different forms. Some coordinated invasion to get the NPCs to just bite the pillow and accept it.
Wargamer dot com activist spin - So what if it's happening!
The existence of Warhammer Adventures too
It's not retcons so much as the usual bending the knee to trannies, etc, on social media. At least from what I've seen posted here.
But gw are a bunch of faggots anyway for overcharging for plastic. At least cgl isn't as expensive, but they're going woke too, and I hate it.
What is cgl? Conquest? They are wokeifying?
Catalyst game labs. They've put out some faggy shit for battletech lore lately
This is an interesting account, can't put much trust in it but fun to think about.
OK, maybe rage bait as well as "fun"
That paragraph was striking. I always forget how alien and evil these people are. Just the idea that a character might be religiously motivated is anathema to them.
Power armor as a crutch is an obvious story choice, if they were intent on telling a story. Instant stakes and payoffs, just by deciding whether the character starts a situation in armor or not.
They're fine with religion so long as it's blatantly satanic, but not with anything even remotely similar to Christianity (like humanity in 40k). Seriously, check out any atheist forum and they constantly shit on Christianity, but many openly embrace satanism. You'll find contextual clues, either blatant or subtle, for what the people in power support by reading the narratives they push in the sectors they control.
Which they could have done with an Inquisitor. Biomancy is a thing (albeit mostly a chaos thing, but still).
You can do anything with inquisitors in this setting, they're outside the law and governed only by rule of cool. You want a super powerful female inquisitor who can dent armor with her bare hands? Have her be warp tainted, tormented by the spectre of Khorne, always half a step away from giving into bloodlust.
"I'll get you my pretty." -Witch of the West, Oz
Then they couldn't push their obvious "awesome lesbian power couple who triumphs over all" story nonsense, since they can't make the Chaos characters good guys. That's the only reason they want them out of the armour.
I wouldn't put it past them to make a show where main characters are Slaanesh cultists who "just want to be free to love who they want", fighting against Imperial and Aeldari bigot chuds.
Now that you mention it... that's probably exactly what they will do.
Shrug
Frankly I think it's a pretty cool setup for a Dark Heresy character. Puritan Inquisitor gets stabbed, starts having nightmares of the skull throne, each time waking up flailing as if in a fight, leaving ever bigger dents in the wall as Khorne's power infects their body.
Or psykers. Gideon Ravenor was about as powerful as Inquisitors came, and he was essentially a brain in a tank.
Games Workshop is in for a reckoning when they realize that a 3D printer and about 10 pounds of the resin material to make models is cheaper than a full army.
Plausible, but I dunno how much it matters. I cannot imagine a world in which GW backtracks. Within five years, Guilliman's right-hand "man" will be an outspoken black female Ultramarine. Bezos could go on live TV and admit that he bribes spiteful lib rats with the opportunity to burn the culture they hate, and not a single thing would change.
It's only a matter of time before Slaanesh is rewritten as a hero. It's the only logical conclusion for how they put troons on a pedestal and overtly celebrate degeneracy now.
How dare you question Sassafraisha Gomezsmith's ability! She is a strong, African-Terran Queer marine of 4 spirits. She earned every promotion and accolade.
Someone probably pulled all of this directly out of his ass, but there’s also like a 90% chance it’s essentially true. When you understand the shape of the world in which we live, you can make very accurate predictions about events taking place behind closed doors.
It’s like how we all know there is a literal white board policy at Disney that requires female characters to overshadow male characters in every piece of new media they create.
I could've made that up, too, but it's probably true, too.
It's funny when it shifts from goblins to dwarves, but what can I say all the European monsters have some jew-y aspects.
I'm pretty sure this is legit. I recognize the person posting that from 4chan, they actually posted a bunch of insider information about the current model lines and future releases for all of Games Workshop's games. The leaks for Warhammer stuff has been dead on for years and even former staff who have started Youtube channels have said there is someone on the staff leaking stuff there but they just haven't been able to find the person doing it.
I don't get that one. Surely the sudden positive buzz about a 40k show would have given GW more leverage not Amazon? It showed they had a product that people wanted and Amazon stood to lose out on a potential big hit if they couldn't secure the license from GW.
The problem here is even with situational good leverage is Amazon is a behemoth and GW are amateurs who struggle not to trip over their own feet on the best of days. They've never been very good with their licencing and I don't doubt Amazon ate them up at the negotiation table.
Doesn't Games Workshop actively hamstring its own IP regularly? I specifically remember when Syama Pedersen came out with the Astartes fan shorts on Youtube, which were so good that they single handedly got tens of thousands of people (or more) into the IP. And yet, GM bought him out, "hired" him to make videos for them, forced him to take the videos down on his own channel, and then GM reuploaded them onto their shitty website with worse sound effects and music. It was around this same time that GW threw the lawfare book at almost all of the fanmade content creators, forcing most to take their stuff down or stop production. GW would've made more money by leaving Syama and other fan content creators alone, which would've driven sales of all 40k stuff up.
I'm not even familiar with most of the crap GM has done, only read some of what they've done from the fans, but they've also explicitly attacked anyone who unironically likes the human faction in 40k, since they're "fascists", and "how could you like fascists, everyone is supposed to be bad guys in 40k". It's the same garbage as globalists/lefties attacking anyone who dares to like a bad/racist/fascist character/group/fictional work, if it portrays them in a positive light or makes them look cool, even to the smallest degree. Lefties are fine with "viewer interpretation" when it contradicts wrongthink from the author, but perfectly fine to claim "media literacy!" when the fans reject the stupidity from the author and actively embrace the cool factor. This recently happened with the Helldivers 2 game, which spurred on discussion of Starship Troopers, and the hilarious attempt to "mock" the source material (and fascism) by the movie's director.
I see the coping has moved into the fanfiction stage now.
If true, I stand corrected. The reasoning does make sense - to me the Custodes are an irrelevancy, but if you're a commie outsider then you just want to grab whatever has the biggest numbers and with the Emperor and the Primarchs off limits that leaves the Custodes as the next biggest prize.
The Emperor and the Primarchs off-limits... For now. It'll just take some warp hazard with Slaanesh to trannify Leman Russ, or Tzeentch decides Magnus the Red needs to represent monthly flows, and he becomes Magna the Red.
Yeah, I'm sure they were totally forced to do this. Amazon probably had to severely beat them with stacks of money to get what they want.
Stop coping. There are no gigantic multimedia corporations "on your side".
Doesn't Cavil play Custodes? That socks lol
Wouldnt be so bad if they had a faction of bikini wearing women.
Slaanesh-tainted Chaos-aligned Sisters of Battle. Perfectly plausible and possible. Warp-aura makes up for their lack of armor. They get corrupted from the ecstasy and joy they feel for The Emperor, slowly, subtly, over time.
The Emperor doesn't need power armor to be powerful, you should follow his example. The Emperor needs humanity to be fruitful and multiply, to defend against the demons. The Emperor wants you to take out the heretics that say you should be chaste, they're trying to drive humanity to extinction. The Emperor wants you to join with the
daemonsangels who are just trying to bring back up humanity's numbers for the glorious holy war against Chaos. Faith in The Emperor is your shield and sheltering cloth, so your mundane dress should be in a manner that helps men ready themselves for their duty of continuing humanity. [You now have bikini warriors]. If the men you encounter aren't actively continuing humanity, they should be punished, then allowed to redeem themselves upon the closest local (who is of course willing, after all, any who do not consent are Chaos cultists aiming to deplete humanity's population and should be skinned alive in the town square, then he may redeem himself upon the next local, usually there's only one or two Cultists per city that need skinning before it's all sorted out). As The Emperor's most faithful and truest followers, you should go planet to planet, making sure this ideology is followed.You now have a Slaaneshi sex-cult faction of Sororitas. I hope you enjoy your bikini-wearing women in 40k.
Well fuck me, why am I not surprised.