Abolitionist writer Lysander Spooner, reflecting on the outcome of the US Civil War
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Basically, the argument is that the North's support of emancipation was a smokescreen of setting an example of a government waging war against it's own citizens that don't wish to support them.
They have a point, especially since the American civil war WASN'T required. Why? Because the British set the example before where they simply reimbursed the owners for the slaves, freed them when they were under their ownership and then outlawed it. Then had a naval squadron to stop future slaves being brought in.
It's kind of hard to argue that it was at all required if buying off the slave owners wasn't just an option but an example that worked.
The civil war wasn't started to free the slaves to begin with, it was to retain sovereignty.
Correct, and the holy Emancipation Proclamation was a mere war maneuver. It didn't "free the slaves" either, and in fact gave the North and any state (or even county) who converted to the North carve outs to continue to own slaves for a while.
The North was pissed the South was doing well, and wanted "their cut" of the profits.
More specifically, the Jew bankers took issue with the fact they couldn’t manipulate the market since cotton and other supplies kept the South’s economy very resistant to change vs the north
I know that had the South separated at the time, it would have been something like the world's third largest economy, which was the primary reason the North refused to allow them to secede (since they paid the majority of all federal taxes). But were Jewish bankers really so entrenched and influential even back then that they would have been able to influence most key figures into waging a civil war? Jews are overrepresented in most influential fields today because of generations of people engaging in rampant nepotism, but back in the 18th century, it just seems like they would have had less time to set that up.
retain and expand POWER
Slavery would have died on its own within enough time as the cost of keeping and using them would well outweigh simply replacing them with technology or other industries. Even assuming MAX RACISM where you treat your slaves the absolute worst and minimally possible, there is a limit where they cease to be able to accomplish the one task you have them for and replacing them is far more costly.
The int'l slave trade was already banned in the US at the time of the Civil War. They wouldn't have needed any additional interdiction.
Lincoln freed the motherfuckers without any plan.
Lincoln's plan was to ship them to Liberia. It would have been great.
Thank you for the correction. I think many people thought they would go to Africa. Lincoln had the fortune, from a historical perspective, of dying before most of the consequences of his policies came to fruition. Clearly, the plan didn't work. Who's to say if Lincoln's presence would have made any difference.
And I should clarify that in the South they were freed without provision.
The jews were making far to much money from slavery to allow this.
the civil war wasn't about slaves it was about plantation owners in debt to The City of London aka jews attempting to subvert and weaken a new country from the inside that refused to bend to international coin-clipping financiers.
it's the same fight we've been fighting from the beginning, and that we eventually lost fully by the 1940s or so.
There was no reason the South shouldn't have been able to withdraw from the union under the basic tenets that formed the foundation of the country. The Declaration of Independence clearly states that governments are formed by men, and when men no longer feel that their government is serving their needs they are free to leave and start a new one.
To say that they didn't mean that to apply to the United States as well is to completely lack understanding of the frame of mind of the founders.
Unfortunately, slavery is such a morally repugnant institution that we have allowed the issue to be clouded by the fact that the North ended it. Saying that the North was the right side in the Civil War is basically an ends justify the means argument and wouldn't be any different then saying it's okay to deny due process to a particularly offensive criminal.
It doesn't help that any primary source scholarship that doesn't toe the line gets blasted. If slavery was the whole reason to fight the war, and less than 10% of Confederates owned slaves, why did 50% plus of the population fight or try to fight?
Razor on the Civil War. Razor on Lincoln the tyrant.
Tom Woods' "Politically Incorrect Guide to American History" has got some traction.
A relevant quotation from a review of the book by the Mises Institute:
and thats why jefferson was never tried for treason...
Yes, it would have been a trial on the legality of succession, and not a question the north wanted answered. If he was found innocent that would have meant they just spent the last 4 years killing people and ravaging the South without any legal justification.
Interestingly, after he was held without bail for 2 years, a bunch of prominent Northern businessmen pooled their money to bail him out; people who didn't share any of his beliefs but felt that he was being denied due process and that was wrong. I have often said that in the past we were a more principled people, and that sort of thing demonstrates it.
pretty decent summary of the war tbh
Tenets don't form a country. Coercion and fear of the government does.
Anarchist.
It really is crazy how much actual Disinformation™ there is around Lincoln and the Civil War.
The winners truly do write history...and the winners are often evil and retarded.
Only the most blind retards can't see that the Civil War was two evil ideas battling each other for victory. And I doubt any of the men back then weren't capable of seeing it too, as this passage proves.
The problem being that one of those ideas was already on its way out naturally, and its natural death would have had far less growing pains on the very people it sought to "save." While the other still has us enslaved to this day.
Lincoln undid everything this nation had built on nothing but his cowardice, as his own writings and decrees showed it wasn't on any principle, and he was at least rightfully shot for it.
I love how two slave holding republics can go to war so one side can free slaves? The North didn't want slavery to expand westward because they were finally becoming the dominant financial and political power they always wanted to be.
The rank & file whites in the South didn't want it either as it took away jobs.
Lysander Spooner has to be one of the most interesting people in American history. Also explicitly proved that the government is an explicit monopoly that will use force to stop anyone that is even a mild threat. For anyone interested, read up on Lysander Spooners mail company that was outlawed because it provided the same service as USPS at a fraction of the cost and the state couldn't compete.
It's almost like the government has never wanted what is best for the people.
This is taken from his pamphlet "No Treason: A Constitution of No Authority" it is an excellent read and once you read it you'll realize why it has been ignored and supressed.
The rule for all of human history has been that men may rightfully be compelled to submit to and support a government that they do not want, and that resistance makes them traitors and criminals.
It's not great, but it is a fact.
Well... somebody oughta change that!
Why does everyone always call baby killing "abortion " ? I mean, we all know what it really is right? Why the games ?
Are you competing to become the next Bluestorm? :)
Is he someone who dislikes baby killing and baby killers? What a jerk !
No, someone who can't read and is proud of it.
But, I heard, his balls are proud of you? And he borrowed them from Mitt Romney!? Who was keeping them in John Bolton's mustache's purse..
Are you a bot or just drunk?
(edit: going with the former since you've been commenting for the past 24 hours with at most a 2 hour break between comments)
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No it was not. This is a lie. The articles of confederation were discarded. the 1780s where an absolute shitshow. Washington, Hamilton clearly understood that a strong constitution with a strong, centralized government was required to repel foreign interlopers and build a real country. The states signed it and thereafter, for all time, you live by that law or you can pack your shit and leave.
Is exactly what the South was trying to do and what the North was fighting to stop.
how did “pack your shit and leave” work out for the confederacy?
Lmao you dumb fucking faggot, imagine being so retarded you say "pack your shit and leave" and then simultaneously crow about subjugating all the states who wanted to leave.
Fucking brainwashed.
so this place is infested with jeffersonians and jews. even jefferson admitted he was wrong after the war of 1812. Hamilton was already dead by then, tho. Get with the program. Advocating for "states rights" is advocating for your own destruction: a weak nation ripe to be infiltrated and subverted by foreign interests.
Lmao not only are you a hypocritical shitbag, you're a pussy who won't respond to anyone but yourself because you're scared they'll see what you have to say and actually respond.
Fuck you, coward.
Not gonna lie, I'm impressed by the mind that thought of that combination.
RUSSIAN COLLUSION!
That sounds like the current set up allowing a constant stream of immigrants, both legal and illegal. Better to have smaller governments that are actually accountable to the people, than a bunch of corrupt bureaucrats who will never feel the direct consequences of their decisions.
How so?
Long Live the Republic of Texas!
You should give it a read since it applies to you
Has it ever not been your bad? You misinterpret pretty much everything you come across. And it's either deliberately so, or because you really are that fucking stupid.
So which is it, bad faith cunt, or absolute dumb cunt? I guess it doesn't matter when you're still a cunt either way.
Every person that self-describes themselves as a cunt tends to be the kind of person that is just an unlikeable asshole that self-deprecates to help themselves cope with the fact they're unlikeable by making it seem like it's actually on purpose, and not that they actually lack the ability to be likeable.
In fact, that's how I've seen most self-deprecation in more recent years; people desperately trying to regain control of a situation they don't have control over.
AKA it's less that you've "always been a cunt" and more everyone has always seen you as a cunt. It shouldn't be a badge of pride that people instinctually hate you.
Man that sounds like a whole lot of cope for being unlikeable. Just totally lacking in any sort of charisma or personality. Just a real fucking sad loser that willingly spends his free time in a place where everyone looks down on him, all so you can maintain your self imposed lie that you're unliked because it's within your control.
Well that's what happens when all you've ever known is being disliked. Why would you want something you've never really had? That you have no concept of?
I mean self-reflect for a second: You're spending hours on here nearly every day. Clicking your profile shows a page of comments just today and just within this sub. All so you can get some attention, regardless of positive or negative, from people you openly dislike. Does that sound like a healthy approach? Does that sound like someone who has known what being liked is actually like?
There is no discernable difference between you, and the freaks that unironically embody the incel stereotype. At least the incels recognise that they're social losers rather than trying to maintain a lie for their own delusions.
>digging up a month old post
Damn that's pathetic, even if it's an elaborate "troll". Here's that crumb off attention you were after, you're not getting another.
Do you know what abolitionist means?
Add it to the list
Per Capita
Salacious
Abolitionist
"Thrive."
-mistook it for a misspell of three and five.
"Bad faith [argument]."
'That's how atheists argue, right?'
I mean, when you're right, you're right, I suppose.
Still not spelled correctly in the reports tab!
"Slacious".
Cpt. Dictionaries Karened effeminate dad i presume ? Wait don't tell me? Is your name Lyle?🤣🤣🤣😅
Lyle, the Effeminate Heterosexual - Saturday Night Live https://youtu.be/59HpKD3u6ks?si=n5Qa_NK_NSlpDQoB
No, kike, owning slaves bad. You're bad
Slavery was a mistake. Should have picked our own cotton instead of importing boatloads of lower primates to save money on wages.
I really do hope you're trolling, as otherwise your seeming complete inability to hold two separate concepts in your head at the same time is truly a woeful condemnation on all of humanity.
If you're not just a psychotic troll who has been pretending to be this retarded for years, you're probably singlehandedly dropping the human race's average IQ a point or two.
Buddy, why are you giving that thing the benefit of the doubt?
Because believing he's not actually this retarded makes humanity seem better as a whole?
If there aren't actually people this fucking braindead, that's a win for humanity. If he's a troll, that's a win.
His mere existence as a non-troll is a much bigger slap in the face than him trolling.
Sorry, pal, humanity is capable of reaching stunning depths of retardation without pretending.
I laughed at this until I realized there's so many around, and they vote, and they they drive on the same roads as me.
If you say so.
You claim you're not trolling, but then say braindead shit like this. You're incapable of understanding even single basic concepts, much less the intersection of two even basic concepts.
There's no point trying to teach you shit, no matter how ridiculously basic.