When they ask Trump about abortion, he should literally say we don’t have time to talk about anything other than the invasion. Building the wall, a moratorium on all immigration, and mass deportation. These are winning stances. Opposing abortion is a can that must be kicked down the road until America is saved from the great replacement. Mass abortion flows from feminism. Mortally wounding that ideology will prevent more abortions than any law.
Very true. Abortion and any number of other issues are only important if you have a functional and stable population. Right now they're have the borders open with hundreds of thousands of people coming in each year. Who cares if abortion is legal when an entire state's worth of people become displaced within a term limit.
While I'm neither a white nationalist nor anti-abortion, I don't understand how you can be both.
After all, that would vastly increase the black population that they dislike so much. I can hear them saying: "no, we'd EXPEL them" - but fact is, pro-life is an issue that can actually succeed, while that other thing is if not fantasy, at least extraordinarily unlikely to be implemented.
You propose that desiring both 1) a white ethnostate and 2) laws against abortion is stupid because the former can probably never happen. But the abortion clause of your argument doesn’t actually impact the conclusion. It’s entirely vestigial.
By this same logic, the only necessary premise for white nationalism to be declared unsound is the fact that it is extraordinarily unlikely to succeed”. You could pair white nationalism with literally any other idea in this format and arrive at the same conclusion. Because it’s a tautology.
Do you often imagine you have created “gotchas” that don’t actually exist? Are the gotchas in the room with us now?
It does impact the conclusion. It's not automatically bad to try to fight for something that may be difficult to achieve. However, when banning abortion is way more likely and it would hurt your 'main cause', it is pretty ridiculous to hold that position. You are far more likely to succeed in your fight against abortion, and if you do, it would hurt what you view as more important.
Because for most people abortion is a moral stance, not purely political.
You can't say "I'll allow some murder of my side for a while because it murders the other side more, and I'll get to it later when I'm comfortable." People are being murdered in their logic, whether its all people or just white people, and that's a very bad thing.
Your logic only works if racism is exactly like the MSM portrays it. Frothing at the mouth hate of niggers as the only single thing they can possibly think of, to the point of no logic as long as "kill niggers." And you aren't that stupid.
In fact, its quite pathetic how much you've lowered yourself and your own intellectual ability just so you can play whack a mole with Stormfags for giggles.
Your logic only works if racism is exactly like the MSM portrays it.
I'm not calling them racist. I think that's stupid. I'm just puzzled by their position. I'm not a white nationalist, and the last thing I want is for more single black women to have kids that they don't want.
I also object to having such 'moral' positions because it leads to political disaster.
In fact, its quite pathetic how much you've lowered yourself and your own intellectual ability just so you can play whack a mole with Stormfags for giggles.
You have this preconceived notion that you advance at every turn, rather than recognizing that this is pretty inconsistent, and that it is reasonable to remark on it.
There is no puzzle unless you are basing your perception on preconceived notions of what they believe.
Murdering babies being bad has no opposition to white identity beliefs unless you believe that pro-white people are so cartoonishly racist that they must be rabidly itching to murder black babies at all times.
So you "not understanding how one can be both" reveals your own presumptions. Whether they are true or purposefully antagonizing to argue with people.
And I do believe its more of the second option than the first. Because clearly the stormfags didn't ruin the place enough, as you once yelled they would, so you feel compelled to kick the hornet's nest to get them mad at you for....some purpose I can't fathom other then being obnoxious.
Murdering babies being bad has no opposition to white identity beliefs unless you believe that pro-white people are so cartoonishly racist that they must be rabidly itching to murder black babies at all times.
You don't need to be 'cartoonishly evil' to not want the situation to get much worse, from your own perspective. Also, not everyone views abortion as 'murdering babies'. A lot of people oppose it as good because it forces women to take responsibility, or so they think.
And I do believe its more of the second option than the first. Because clearly the stormfags didn't ruin the place enough, as you once yelled they would, so you feel compelled to kick the hornet's nest to get them mad at you for....some purpose I can't fathom other then being obnoxious.
Questioning people's beliefs is not "kicking the hornet's nest".
A lot of people oppose it as good because it forces women to take responsibility
Which is still not in any opposition to any basic tenant of white nationalism by requirement. The only way it is, is if they hate blacks so much that "killing niggers by any means necessary" is a core part of their ideology that tops above many other things.
That is a cartoonishly evil perspective that you have assigned to them, which is so reductionistic of any belief they may hold that it can only be done in bad faith or from sheer ignorant retardation.
Which is still not in any opposition to any basic tenant of white nationalism by requirement. The only way it is, is if they hate blacks so much that "killing niggers by any means necessary" is a core part of their ideology that tops above many other things.
Don't be obtuse. I know you like your 'attack Antonio streak', but it's not that difficult to follow this train of logic: if you are a white nationalist and don't believe abortion is 'murder', then being anti-abortion makes no sense as you are sabotaging your own objectives.
Your understanding of ethnonationalism is at wikipedia, after-school-special, elementary-school assembly with "special guests" tier.
Yes some ethnonationalists would prefer a purely White state where Italians would be the brownest people they ever encountered under any circumstances. But all but the tiniest miniscule minority realize that won't happen outside of a genie-wish-granting-fantasy world (I'll have a coke).
The vast majority of us would happily compromise for a return the 50s, where there were some areas that were de-facto free from blacks, when there was meaningful punishment for black anti-social behavior, and the government didn't pay negresses to pump out niglets, so they actually had to get and stay married to survive thus keeping them from turning into the giant public embarrassments many of them are now.
Yes some ethnonationalists would prefer a purely White state where Italians would be the brownest people they ever encountered under any circumstances.
Clearly, you've never been to Naples. Some Italians are insanely dark.
The vast majority of us would happily compromise for a return the 50s, where there were some areas that were de-facto free from blacks, when there was meaningful punishment for black anti-social behavior, and the government didn't pay negresses to pump out niglets, so they actually had to get and stay married to survive thus keeping them from turning into the giant public embarrassments many of them are now.
Leaving word usage aside for a moment, that's not that unreasonable. But if you do want to pay 'negresses' to pump out 'niglets', why on earth would you force them to do that instead of getting an abortion?
That's a good stance, IVF is the grey area as the process can be wasteful but it does enable those with difficulties having kids to have kids.
The rest is fine as it puts pressure on the state legislature to represent their citizens views.
Wonder if Biden will say anything since the Dems have been DESPERATELY trying to make abortion THE issue for the election. Knowing them, the response will be cackling or mfsghsvergbvdsegjdh...
Biden saying something wouldn't change anything. If they want to be effective, they will get that backstabbing, two-faced, establishment piece of shit Lindsay Graham to come out and say that he will propose a national ban if Trump is elected, like he did before the mid terms.
That...I can see happening. Can someone tell the Patriot side that have Twitter accounts to have the message 'Shut the Fuck up Lindsey!' on standby to just mass send it when the mouthpiece tries to sabotage?
Ivf is a very...inefficient process. My friend was undergoing ivf with his wife and we were comparing it to iui and for the cost and the supposed efficiency, ivf was way worse than iui but it was much faster.
Yes, I actually would be fine with abortion still going on as long as ZERO taxpayer funding was involved with the action and/or the business itself. If it's THAT important of a thing, then surely it can sustain itself without taxpayer funding.
I couldnt give a shit less about this dump ass nation that prioritizes killing babies. If killing babies wins elections then the population deserves to go to hell.
Exactly. Somehow the vote excuse is worse than every other argument used by raging leftists in favor of abortion. Like that's going to hold up when God starts asking people why they tolerated and voted for the murder of the unborn. "bUt hOw ElsE wEre wE sUpPoSeD to vOte in PaTrioTs?"
Ignorance is one thing, but willingly voting for people who'll keep silent on such an issue is not only cowardice but complicity. Doing so is ceding ground to the immoral leeches in power today only for them to take back what they "allowed" (and more) tomorrow.
It does not follow that you would want this to be federal policy. Murder, after all, is dealt with by the states, so if you regard abortion as murder, then it is still a state matter.
Demonrats: We hate everything moral and decent.
Republicans: We also facilitate the deterioration and destruction of society and your country, but we will pretend to push back so that we can profit off your hope of stopping it.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to have your own children, or wanting to have your children have better genes. Eugenics is only bad when a government tries to force it.
Eugenics in that you are rolling the dice on how many eggs are fertilized and if too many are they are destroyed or frozen forever. Then you are choosing which babies are born and which die or are stuck in limbo.
My wife and I have been trying IVF for the last couple of years because of a medial issue she has. There's no eugenics for us. We would take anyone and will use every embryo. Unfortunately it's not looking positive.
My only complaint about IVF is that it's been way, way oversold - it's far from a guarantee and going to be rather expensive, putting it out of the reach of most people.
You can only twist biology so much. We've put so much faith in technology, expecting a magic wand, but we're left with a gamble instead, and people don't understand this.
Bitches who get elective abortions are subhuman rat clawed psychopaths who shouldn't be allowed to have children.
That being said, as long as zero tax dollars go to supporting said subhumans getting abortions, they can go ahead and eliminate themselves from the gene pool.
If there's a God, he'll take the souls of those unborn into his arms and cast those filthy rats into the deepest pits of hell. It's a win-win at the end of things.
Things don't work that way anymore. Even if on paper taxes aren't supporting it they are still going to abortion planned parenthood still gets tax dollars for "education" and "cancer screening", and since money is fungible that comes out to tax money for abortion.
How could you oppose abortion but support IVF which involves numerous abortions?
I really think the modern pro-life movement is secretly influenced by racial issues rather than being a moral or religious mission to protect the unborn.
I see it as a moral issue when White babies are aborted. For others they can worry about their own people.
But I mostly see it as a momentum and morale issue for right vs left leaning. Unrestricted abortion is a left-coded issue, abortion restrictions are right-coded. The more restrictions that are emplaced, the more the right is seen as "winning" and the opposite is true.
I want the zeitgeist to be gay commies talking about what country they are going to flee to when abortion is banned, not patriots talking about what country they are going flee to when faggotry is made mandatory.
For real, it's hilarious as it is annoying. Women are perfectly fine with being raped and beaten in the streets as long as they can abort the baby whenever they want
When they ask Trump about abortion, he should literally say we don’t have time to talk about anything other than the invasion. Building the wall, a moratorium on all immigration, and mass deportation. These are winning stances. Opposing abortion is a can that must be kicked down the road until America is saved from the great replacement. Mass abortion flows from feminism. Mortally wounding that ideology will prevent more abortions than any law.
Very true. Abortion and any number of other issues are only important if you have a functional and stable population. Right now they're have the borders open with hundreds of thousands of people coming in each year. Who cares if abortion is legal when an entire state's worth of people become displaced within a term limit.
While I'm neither a white nationalist nor anti-abortion, I don't understand how you can be both.
After all, that would vastly increase the black population that they dislike so much. I can hear them saying: "no, we'd EXPEL them" - but fact is, pro-life is an issue that can actually succeed, while that other thing is if not fantasy, at least extraordinarily unlikely to be implemented.
Why is your logic so retarded?
Here, I’ll explain.
You propose that desiring both 1) a white ethnostate and 2) laws against abortion is stupid because the former can probably never happen. But the abortion clause of your argument doesn’t actually impact the conclusion. It’s entirely vestigial.
By this same logic, the only necessary premise for white nationalism to be declared unsound is the fact that it is extraordinarily unlikely to succeed”. You could pair white nationalism with literally any other idea in this format and arrive at the same conclusion. Because it’s a tautology.
Do you often imagine you have created “gotchas” that don’t actually exist? Are the gotchas in the room with us now?
The abortion ban in Texas has increased the amount of black and brown babies while leaving Whites birth rate flat
Abortion bans simply increase the black numbers, as they abort at a 4x rate
All White nationalists should support abortion
It does impact the conclusion. It's not automatically bad to try to fight for something that may be difficult to achieve. However, when banning abortion is way more likely and it would hurt your 'main cause', it is pretty ridiculous to hold that position. You are far more likely to succeed in your fight against abortion, and if you do, it would hurt what you view as more important.
How does that make sense?
Because for most people abortion is a moral stance, not purely political.
You can't say "I'll allow some murder of my side for a while because it murders the other side more, and I'll get to it later when I'm comfortable." People are being murdered in their logic, whether its all people or just white people, and that's a very bad thing.
Your logic only works if racism is exactly like the MSM portrays it. Frothing at the mouth hate of niggers as the only single thing they can possibly think of, to the point of no logic as long as "kill niggers." And you aren't that stupid.
In fact, its quite pathetic how much you've lowered yourself and your own intellectual ability just so you can play whack a mole with Stormfags for giggles.
I am perfectly fine with black abortions. In fact, I’d love to fund it exclusively.
I want to discourage White abortions as much as possible.
I'm not calling them racist. I think that's stupid. I'm just puzzled by their position. I'm not a white nationalist, and the last thing I want is for more single black women to have kids that they don't want.
I also object to having such 'moral' positions because it leads to political disaster.
You have this preconceived notion that you advance at every turn, rather than recognizing that this is pretty inconsistent, and that it is reasonable to remark on it.
There is no puzzle unless you are basing your perception on preconceived notions of what they believe.
Murdering babies being bad has no opposition to white identity beliefs unless you believe that pro-white people are so cartoonishly racist that they must be rabidly itching to murder black babies at all times.
So you "not understanding how one can be both" reveals your own presumptions. Whether they are true or purposefully antagonizing to argue with people.
And I do believe its more of the second option than the first. Because clearly the stormfags didn't ruin the place enough, as you once yelled they would, so you feel compelled to kick the hornet's nest to get them mad at you for....some purpose I can't fathom other then being obnoxious.
You don't need to be 'cartoonishly evil' to not want the situation to get much worse, from your own perspective. Also, not everyone views abortion as 'murdering babies'. A lot of people oppose it as good because it forces women to take responsibility, or so they think.
Questioning people's beliefs is not "kicking the hornet's nest".
Which is still not in any opposition to any basic tenant of white nationalism by requirement. The only way it is, is if they hate blacks so much that "killing niggers by any means necessary" is a core part of their ideology that tops above many other things.
That is a cartoonishly evil perspective that you have assigned to them, which is so reductionistic of any belief they may hold that it can only be done in bad faith or from sheer ignorant retardation.
And that is in fact kicking the hornet's nest.
Don't be obtuse. I know you like your 'attack Antonio streak', but it's not that difficult to follow this train of logic: if you are a white nationalist and don't believe abortion is 'murder', then being anti-abortion makes no sense as you are sabotaging your own objectives.
Your understanding of ethnonationalism is at wikipedia, after-school-special, elementary-school assembly with "special guests" tier.
Yes some ethnonationalists would prefer a purely White state where Italians would be the brownest people they ever encountered under any circumstances. But all but the tiniest miniscule minority realize that won't happen outside of a genie-wish-granting-fantasy world (I'll have a coke).
The vast majority of us would happily compromise for a return the 50s, where there were some areas that were de-facto free from blacks, when there was meaningful punishment for black anti-social behavior, and the government didn't pay negresses to pump out niglets, so they actually had to get and stay married to survive thus keeping them from turning into the giant public embarrassments many of them are now.
Clearly, you've never been to Naples. Some Italians are insanely dark.
Leaving word usage aside for a moment, that's not that unreasonable. But if you do want to pay 'negresses' to pump out 'niglets', why on earth would you force them to do that instead of getting an abortion?
That's a good stance, IVF is the grey area as the process can be wasteful but it does enable those with difficulties having kids to have kids.
The rest is fine as it puts pressure on the state legislature to represent their citizens views.
Wonder if Biden will say anything since the Dems have been DESPERATELY trying to make abortion THE issue for the election. Knowing them, the response will be cackling or mfsghsvergbvdsegjdh...
Biden saying something wouldn't change anything. If they want to be effective, they will get that backstabbing, two-faced, establishment piece of shit Lindsay Graham to come out and say that he will propose a national ban if Trump is elected, like he did before the mid terms.
That...I can see happening. Can someone tell the Patriot side that have Twitter accounts to have the message 'Shut the Fuck up Lindsey!' on standby to just mass send it when the mouthpiece tries to sabotage?
Lindsey Graham is already doing it again.
I told him on Twitter to shut the fuck up and stop sabotaging the party.
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1777340622661095750
Appreciate that, hopefully we can just sideline these establishment puppets.
I am waiting for the day we can primary out Lindsey Graham.
He is the Senator I hate the most.
Trump needs to kick him in the nuts for his recent treachery.
Don't forget whoever is replacing the turtle, we need to make sure we don't just get a younger version of him.
Is 'eye patch Mcain' second or third on your list?
Second place for Senator I hate the most is weasel John Cornyn tied with turtle Mitch McConnell.
I despise them both so much for always subverting us from within.
I also despise eye patch McCain Crenshaw but he is in the house so he is a smaller threat than the others.
Seems like Cornyn and Thune are our only options to replace McConnell. They both are awful.
Ivf is a very...inefficient process. My friend was undergoing ivf with his wife and we were comparing it to iui and for the cost and the supposed efficiency, ivf was way worse than iui but it was much faster.
My stance is "Am I, the taxpayer, paying for it?"
Yes, I actually would be fine with abortion still going on as long as ZERO taxpayer funding was involved with the action and/or the business itself. If it's THAT important of a thing, then surely it can sustain itself without taxpayer funding.
I agree with you completely.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment
I support the Hyde Amendment.
I am very glad that Trump is not going too hard on abortion restrictions.
I am pro life and I realize that abortion is a election killer for the GOP.
I think this is something that makes Trump a stronger candidate than those who pushed a 6 weeks ban like DeSantis.
I couldnt give a shit less about this dump ass nation that prioritizes killing babies. If killing babies wins elections then the population deserves to go to hell.
Exactly. Somehow the vote excuse is worse than every other argument used by raging leftists in favor of abortion. Like that's going to hold up when God starts asking people why they tolerated and voted for the murder of the unborn. "bUt hOw ElsE wEre wE sUpPoSeD to vOte in PaTrioTs?"
Ignorance is one thing, but willingly voting for people who'll keep silent on such an issue is not only cowardice but complicity. Doing so is ceding ground to the immoral leeches in power today only for them to take back what they "allowed" (and more) tomorrow.
It does not follow that you would want this to be federal policy. Murder, after all, is dealt with by the states, so if you regard abortion as murder, then it is still a state matter.
Did I say that?
So what's the scapegoat gonna be when the GOP cucks out on abortion and still gets fucked?
"We must accept abortion/open borders/mass immigration/LGBTQ/transgenderism/pedophilia or we will never win another election!"
Open borders, mass immigration, transgenderism, pedophilia are extraordinarily unpopular.
Where you are on the wrong side of public opinion, you at least have to finesse it as DJT does now.
It really hurt republicans in mid terms. In pro life as well
Counterpoint: winning elections isn't all that great if you never actually get what you want by winning them.
Demonrats: We hate everything moral and decent.
Republicans: We also facilitate the deterioration and destruction of society and your country, but we will pretend to push back so that we can profit off your hope of stopping it.
He's not wrong but holy shit 50 years of propaganda and murdering babies is left to a vote.
On a principled level I'm against IVF because it's creating babies for basically eugenic purposes.
On a practical level I'm for it to make more White children.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to have your own children, or wanting to have your children have better genes. Eugenics is only bad when a government tries to force it.
Eugenics in that you are rolling the dice on how many eggs are fertilized and if too many are they are destroyed or frozen forever. Then you are choosing which babies are born and which die or are stuck in limbo.
My wife and I have been trying IVF for the last couple of years because of a medial issue she has. There's no eugenics for us. We would take anyone and will use every embryo. Unfortunately it's not looking positive.
Good luck bro. I have family dealing with the same issue.
Natural Selection did not stop with the invention of the steam engine. Either practice eugenics or allow nature to make dumber faster breeding people.
Mandatory sterilization for all browns, all sub 90 IQs, and all people on any sort of welfare.
No need to make it mandatory, just offer to trade $50 worth of KFC coupons for sterilization and the problem will solve itself.
My only complaint about IVF is that it's been way, way oversold - it's far from a guarantee and going to be rather expensive, putting it out of the reach of most people.
You can only twist biology so much. We've put so much faith in technology, expecting a magic wand, but we're left with a gamble instead, and people don't understand this.
Bitches who get elective abortions are subhuman rat clawed psychopaths who shouldn't be allowed to have children.
That being said, as long as zero tax dollars go to supporting said subhumans getting abortions, they can go ahead and eliminate themselves from the gene pool.
If there's a God, he'll take the souls of those unborn into his arms and cast those filthy rats into the deepest pits of hell. It's a win-win at the end of things.
Things don't work that way anymore. Even if on paper taxes aren't supporting it they are still going to abortion planned parenthood still gets tax dollars for "education" and "cancer screening", and since money is fungible that comes out to tax money for abortion.
How could you oppose abortion but support IVF which involves numerous abortions?
I really think the modern pro-life movement is secretly influenced by racial issues rather than being a moral or religious mission to protect the unborn.
sort of true
I see it as a moral issue when White babies are aborted. For others they can worry about their own people.
But I mostly see it as a momentum and morale issue for right vs left leaning. Unrestricted abortion is a left-coded issue, abortion restrictions are right-coded. The more restrictions that are emplaced, the more the right is seen as "winning" and the opposite is true.
I want the zeitgeist to be gay commies talking about what country they are going to flee to when abortion is banned, not patriots talking about what country they are going flee to when faggotry is made mandatory.
Single topic voting.
For a lot of people, yes, it is. I wish I loved something as much as women love killing babies.
For real, it's hilarious as it is annoying. Women are perfectly fine with being raped and beaten in the streets as long as they can abort the baby whenever they want
Considering how many of them fully support importing degenerate third worlders in their countries, you're not wrong.
Child support starting while pregnant shits a whole lot of men up pretty quickly.
Cool, remove no-fault divorce too while we're at it
Men seen to want women trapped all of a sudden. Baby trapped, stuck in marriages... It's very manosphere yuck.
Have you tried not being a faggot?
Have you tried not being fake, and ghey?