I think they pushed the Overton window too fast, so they're losing a plurality of the people who used to accept the legacy media as mainline 'truth.' (This includes me; I was brought up Blue Tribe.)
I do wonder what the urgency is on their part, because a slower boil would have kept more frogs in the cooking pot (which would have been 'ideal' for their side.)
I suspect the urgency is due to the older generation of neo-Maoists pushing the culture war for political reasons being replaced by younger 'true-believer' types who adhere to intersectionality as a religion.
If my supposition is correct, it means that the acceleration isn't a rational stratagem, but rather a natural consequence of the left's center-of-mass politically tilting towards the Progressive zealot's PoV. They are overreaching precisely because they believe it's a moral imperative to proselytize and convert/destroy their opposition. 'Silence is violence' and a totalitarian approach to morality inevitably follows. 'Either you suck the feminine penis or you go against the wall.'
That would mean that the media has essentially lost control of the Progressive golem's thought processes. The mask is has come loose and more and more people realize what the left is about. In attempting to direct Progressives, they need to appeal to the narrative-- the way things 'should' be, per Progressive morality-- more than what actually is.
As the narrative moves past people, those of us getting turned about in the wake of the leftward movement are left to piece together how to respond. Some will flail, but more and more will come to the conclusion that the left needs to be stopped and won't accept the messaging & framing of the Legacy Media. Welcome to the 'post-truth era.' It turns out to be a spiritual battle for the soul of the West.
I wonder though if they're pushed the Overton window too far.
What if there is an objective truth that they've simply strayed too far from?
Like, how slow would you have to go to normalize pedos? Eventually you have to pull the trigger and then you're at the bottom of the slippery slope; there's nothing worse you can do.
I fear our tolerance has let us get to a place so bad that violence will be required to protect our families and tear down a corrupted system, rather than fixing it through political means, which we could have done if we caught it soon enough.
There’s a not-insignificant subset of the population who are deliberately subjecting their young children to pornographic drag queen performances in order to “own the conservatives”. I’ve stopped trying to imagine any limits to the depths to which leftists will sink.
Of course there's no limits, because it never stops. There will never be a point where the "progressive" movement will be completed, where they can say "Good job, we've done everything". There will always be a new boundary to push. It's a slippery slope all the way to things beyond imagining, or until society violently corrects itself.
pedos [...] [are] the bottom of the slippery slope; there's nothing worse you can do.
I don't want to describe in detail the infinite depravity of the human condition, but there's several memes on 4-chan that (accurately) put child molestation in the middle of the slope (with the top approximately where we are now.)
The Romans had a past time of watching people get tortured. We are halfway there, many people love watching fictional people get tortured, so it's not too far of a stretch to get them to do that to those they dislike in real life.
Slanessh is at the bottom. State-sanctioned drug-fueled rape and murder orgies dedicated to Moloch. The bottom is a long ways down, and the pedos are merely a waypoint on the slope.
I think they pushed the Overton window too fast, so they're losing a plurality of the people who used to accept the legacy media as mainline 'truth.' (This includes me; I was brought up Blue Tribe.)
These polls agree but the reported threshold is just different. So it's not Overton window unless it shifted exactly so much as to drop off Republicans and keep all Democrats.
Really it's Tribalism. Democrat trust shot up 20 points immediately after 2016 and the reason is intolerant liberals purged out "nazi" coworkers. Media was I believe roughly 2/3 D and 1/3 R before that and then was 95% D and 5% R shortly after Trump.
Give an example from NPR, Tom Ashbrook hosted On Point since 2002 -- fired 2017 due to intolerant liberal staff member. It's not clear what his political opinions are, but he interned with a Republican senator and by NPR standards he's far right. Under him, On Point would have episodes critical of mainstream narratives and immediately once he was gone it was all Democrat party line propaganda.
Or put another way, Overton Window is what's acceptable to the public. What shifted was what's acceptable to publish. People still find trannies disgusting, but you can't say that or so many other things in media and that's why nobody trusts them.
I think that's precisely it that the Overton window scarcely includes anything conservative. The Official conservatives can barely differ with the Democrats on the fundamentals. If a man says he's a woman, he's a woman. That's what the official conservative position is. And I don't know how many actual conservatives think that.
Truly conservative takes are unpublishable by MSM.
The issue with the speed, as far as I can work out, is that they've only got partial control over the fringes that they use to push the boundaries.
Those fringes are racing off into the distance as far and as fast as they can; past a certain point, you've got to be lead by them or commit to pulling them up short - but they can't pull them up short because so much of their support tacitly accepts what those fringes are up to.
I think it's because their shit is falling apart faster than they can get people to accept their spin. That, and there are too many leaks in the information dam for them to contain any more.
And on top of those issues ... these are not impressive people. They are fucking stupid but they know the correct things to say to sound smart, and for some reason that they can't comprehend, saying the things isn't working for them any more.
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Uh oh, the public are breaking free of the narrative, the rose tinted glasses are broken and everyone is seeing how much shit we dumped in their backyard.
It's a long time coming, EVERYTHING they try to push is either an outright lie or lie by omission. The 'conspiracy theorists' have been proven right so many times that vtuber version of Alex Jones has more creditability than Fox, CNN, MSNBC, BBC and every other mainstream outlet combined.
Because media dropped their mask and are now blatantly a mouthpiece for the left and the Democratic party.
The left deludes itself into thinking that their version of right and wrong is the undisputed truth and that only fringe wackos disagree with them. In reality, there are a number of policy issues where the majority opinion breaks from liberal party dogma.
So of course, rather than reflect on why the masses don't agree with them and possibly adjust their policy, they simply blame the people.
The problem with flying cars isn't really the vehicles -- it's people. Most people can't fly**. It stands to reason after AI control takes over, many more people will own flying vehicles.
**Now whether the large barriers to people learning ought to be so is another discussion.
Smith-Mundt Naturalization Act, or something. Everyone pretended that it didn't matter and that the government would neeeEeEeEeEever do that, but here we all are.
I was a journalist for ten years. I did my level best to be objective but I had my weak moments where I let my views and desires impact how I told the story. I have all the necessary experience to say I know how easy that is to do, and how common it is when the journalist does NOT have the compunction toward objectivity that I had. No journalist is perfect, but some try, while others make no such pretense. Now think about what kind of writing drives click$ and you’ll get an idea about which kind of journalist tends to advance up through the ranks and become a “known” writer who a majority of the country might read.
I share Obama’s lament, honestly I do! But he cannot help trying to imply that somehow the issue is with the readers/viewers, that they refuse to look at objective sources. The issue is that there aren’t any, that the media companies know exactly what they’re doing, and they don’t care. The media companies could choose to elevate and promote the journalists who may fail to be objective sometimes because they’re human but who ultimately remain committed to objectivity and try to uphold it. The media companies do not choose to do that. So on top of the fact that some people are shitty non-objective writers, there’s actually an incentive to be that way! The LAST people at fault are the consumers! We’d read good journalism if these chuckle-fucks would put some out!
The 1950s-2006 left-leaning alt/counter-culture used to passionately scorn three-channel television as part of the uber-conformist, inauthentic, brainwashing, and hypocritical post-industrial culture (some post-modernist intellectualism was about rejecting both the consequences of both modernism [according to this comment] and conventional traditionalism, hence post-modernism). Leave it to this Nobel War Prize snake to pay lip service to anti political-correctness then play defense for the worst offenders.
President Gay Faggot Race-Baitor Groomer-in-chief Pedophile-enabler the First, is worried about his sterile anti-human legacy, and its propagandatchik...
The use of the word nigger is not actually the problem here. This comment actually implies that he is an artiface of a jewish racial conspiracy, that is why this comment violates the rule.
Wuh-wuh-wuh-why won’t Americans accept a constantly wrong/lying propaganda machine as absolute truth anymore?
I think they pushed the Overton window too fast, so they're losing a plurality of the people who used to accept the legacy media as mainline 'truth.' (This includes me; I was brought up Blue Tribe.)
I do wonder what the urgency is on their part, because a slower boil would have kept more frogs in the cooking pot (which would have been 'ideal' for their side.)
I suspect the urgency is due to the older generation of neo-Maoists pushing the culture war for political reasons being replaced by younger 'true-believer' types who adhere to intersectionality as a religion.
If my supposition is correct, it means that the acceleration isn't a rational stratagem, but rather a natural consequence of the left's center-of-mass politically tilting towards the Progressive zealot's PoV. They are overreaching precisely because they believe it's a moral imperative to proselytize and convert/destroy their opposition. 'Silence is violence' and a totalitarian approach to morality inevitably follows. 'Either you suck the feminine penis or you go against the wall.'
That would mean that the media has essentially lost control of the Progressive golem's thought processes. The mask is has come loose and more and more people realize what the left is about. In attempting to direct Progressives, they need to appeal to the narrative-- the way things 'should' be, per Progressive morality-- more than what actually is.
As the narrative moves past people, those of us getting turned about in the wake of the leftward movement are left to piece together how to respond. Some will flail, but more and more will come to the conclusion that the left needs to be stopped and won't accept the messaging & framing of the Legacy Media. Welcome to the 'post-truth era.' It turns out to be a spiritual battle for the soul of the West.
That's possible, absolutely.
I wonder though if they're pushed the Overton window too far.
What if there is an objective truth that they've simply strayed too far from?
Like, how slow would you have to go to normalize pedos? Eventually you have to pull the trigger and then you're at the bottom of the slippery slope; there's nothing worse you can do.
I fear our tolerance has let us get to a place so bad that violence will be required to protect our families and tear down a corrupted system, rather than fixing it through political means, which we could have done if we caught it soon enough.
There’s a not-insignificant subset of the population who are deliberately subjecting their young children to pornographic drag queen performances in order to “own the conservatives”. I’ve stopped trying to imagine any limits to the depths to which leftists will sink.
Of course there's no limits, because it never stops. There will never be a point where the "progressive" movement will be completed, where they can say "Good job, we've done everything". There will always be a new boundary to push. It's a slippery slope all the way to things beyond imagining, or until society violently corrects itself.
i remember during gg a journo sending pictures of his kid to a pedo tranny because he cried hawassmin
People like that are in a cult, and that is the version of drinking the Kool aid
I don't want to describe in detail the infinite depravity of the human condition, but there's several memes on 4-chan that (accurately) put child molestation in the middle of the slope (with the top approximately where we are now.)
i feel like anything worse involves a guro tag
The Romans had a past time of watching people get tortured. We are halfway there, many people love watching fictional people get tortured, so it's not too far of a stretch to get them to do that to those they dislike in real life.
Slanessh is at the bottom. State-sanctioned drug-fueled rape and murder orgies dedicated to Moloch. The bottom is a long ways down, and the pedos are merely a waypoint on the slope.
No, there is no bottom.
Good comment.
A lot of this can be explained by one sentence: she was supposed to win.
If she did, then normies could have been marched left in parallel to the fringe.
Thank God she didn't.
At least "Fair" amount of trust in Mass Media (Gallup):
At least "Some" trust (Pew):
These polls agree but the reported threshold is just different. So it's not Overton window unless it shifted exactly so much as to drop off Republicans and keep all Democrats.
Really it's Tribalism. Democrat trust shot up 20 points immediately after 2016 and the reason is intolerant liberals purged out "nazi" coworkers. Media was I believe roughly 2/3 D and 1/3 R before that and then was 95% D and 5% R shortly after Trump.
Give an example from NPR, Tom Ashbrook hosted On Point since 2002 -- fired 2017 due to intolerant liberal staff member. It's not clear what his political opinions are, but he interned with a Republican senator and by NPR standards he's far right. Under him, On Point would have episodes critical of mainstream narratives and immediately once he was gone it was all Democrat party line propaganda.
Or put another way, Overton Window is what's acceptable to the public. What shifted was what's acceptable to publish. People still find trannies disgusting, but you can't say that or so many other things in media and that's why nobody trusts them.
I think that's precisely it that the Overton window scarcely includes anything conservative. The Official conservatives can barely differ with the Democrats on the fundamentals. If a man says he's a woman, he's a woman. That's what the official conservative position is. And I don't know how many actual conservatives think that.
Truly conservative takes are unpublishable by MSM.
The issue with the speed, as far as I can work out, is that they've only got partial control over the fringes that they use to push the boundaries.
Those fringes are racing off into the distance as far and as fast as they can; past a certain point, you've got to be lead by them or commit to pulling them up short - but they can't pull them up short because so much of their support tacitly accepts what those fringes are up to.
I think it's because their shit is falling apart faster than they can get people to accept their spin. That, and there are too many leaks in the information dam for them to contain any more.
And on top of those issues ... these are not impressive people. They are fucking stupid but they know the correct things to say to sound smart, and for some reason that they can't comprehend, saying the things isn't working for them any more.
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF they don't believe my... my... okie-doke, then who will?
And whose fault is that?
He initiated the prosecution of whistleblowers.
right wing fascists, as usual.
Uh oh, the public are breaking free of the narrative, the rose tinted glasses are broken and everyone is seeing how much shit we dumped in their backyard.
It's a long time coming, EVERYTHING they try to push is either an outright lie or lie by omission. The 'conspiracy theorists' have been proven right so many times that vtuber version of Alex Jones has more creditability than Fox, CNN, MSNBC, BBC and every other mainstream outlet combined.
I thought there really was an Alex Jones Vtuber, but it's just Pippa again. Still 100% accurate.
The "post truth era" cuts both ways, Mr. President.
He literally planned and designed it. If Obama just stayed out of politics the world would be a lot better.
You've got a lot of nerve talking to me like that, Obama.
Because media dropped their mask and are now blatantly a mouthpiece for the left and the Democratic party.
The left deludes itself into thinking that their version of right and wrong is the undisputed truth and that only fringe wackos disagree with them. In reality, there are a number of policy issues where the majority opinion breaks from liberal party dogma.
So of course, rather than reflect on why the masses don't agree with them and possibly adjust their policy, they simply blame the people.
We probably really would have flying cars by now....
The problem with flying cars isn't really the vehicles -- it's people. Most people can't fly**. It stands to reason after AI control takes over, many more people will own flying vehicles.
**Now whether the large barriers to people learning ought to be so is another discussion.
It was just a joke. Flying cars would be a disaster.
what about AI tho?
It's afraid
WTF? Didn't he make it so it was legal for the news to lie at will?
Smith-Mundt Naturalization Act, or something. Everyone pretended that it didn't matter and that the government would neeeEeEeEeEever do that, but here we all are.
I was a journalist for ten years. I did my level best to be objective but I had my weak moments where I let my views and desires impact how I told the story. I have all the necessary experience to say I know how easy that is to do, and how common it is when the journalist does NOT have the compunction toward objectivity that I had. No journalist is perfect, but some try, while others make no such pretense. Now think about what kind of writing drives click$ and you’ll get an idea about which kind of journalist tends to advance up through the ranks and become a “known” writer who a majority of the country might read.
I share Obama’s lament, honestly I do! But he cannot help trying to imply that somehow the issue is with the readers/viewers, that they refuse to look at objective sources. The issue is that there aren’t any, that the media companies know exactly what they’re doing, and they don’t care. The media companies could choose to elevate and promote the journalists who may fail to be objective sometimes because they’re human but who ultimately remain committed to objectivity and try to uphold it. The media companies do not choose to do that. So on top of the fact that some people are shitty non-objective writers, there’s actually an incentive to be that way! The LAST people at fault are the consumers! We’d read good journalism if these chuckle-fucks would put some out!
I'm glad you were cured of your retardation and got a real job. Well done!
Yeah, I bet he's worried about that.
Thanks, Obama.
The 1950s-2006 left-leaning alt/counter-culture used to passionately scorn three-channel television as part of the uber-conformist, inauthentic, brainwashing, and hypocritical post-industrial culture (some post-modernist intellectualism was about rejecting both the consequences of both modernism [according to this comment] and conventional traditionalism, hence post-modernism). Leave it to this Nobel War Prize snake to pay lip service to anti political-correctness then play defense for the worst offenders.
President Gay Faggot Race-Baitor Groomer-in-chief Pedophile-enabler the First, is worried about his sterile anti-human legacy, and its propagandatchik...
Woke-ay.
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