Many societies are going to have to have a reckoning soon about the actual role of women in society very soon. You cannot allow women to pretend that making babies isn't their most important role and responsibility. If they don't fulfill that role then they should be actively scorned and ostracized for it.
It’s kind of… Odd when you think about it that we’re constantly told that “progress” is essentially linear, and society is ever-moving to some sort of “liberal utopia”, in spite of a few “road bumps” along the way…
This, despite every indication to the contrary.
Even 100 years ago, “making babies” was the default position for women everywhere. Even 50 years ago - living memory for many people - it was still the norm. We’ve completely inverted that, among so many other things, and we’re told “Things will always continue this way. That’s just how they are, now”…
Well, if history teaches us anything, it’s that this sort of mindset, of “civilizational continuity” and, in essence, “seeing oneself as the pinnacle of human progress” tend not to last, in the very long term…
Who knows?
Everyone seems to know that something is very, very wrong with the way most of human society is headed - it’s just that none of us can seem to agree on exactly what that is…
Almost as if there were a unifying idea that something is inherently wrong with the human being and soul, causing us to not be able to maintain goodness on our own. If only there were some word to describe that concept…
With that in mind, I think it would be a good idea to ask women "What would it take to make having children worthwhile for you?"
The article explicitly mentions a bad job market and brutal hours; why do women want that? If they could stay home and only raise kids, is that not better than wage slaving? Or, rather than shaming the single, is there a problem with how "popular" culture portrays mothers?
Personally, I don't think women tend to understand their own motivations for doing things (and the article doesn't seem to mention anything specific that women do want in exchange for having kids), which suggests to me that this is the same result that feminism and "gender equality" have acheived in the West; women are propagandised into thinking that they want to be men.
They didn't. A bunch of overprivileged, bored and rich women a bunch of decades ago decided they did. But because women need social acceptance, they framed it as "all women" want this and convinced the rest that they were slaves who secretly wanted liberation. Mostly through the sexual revolution, because being a stay at home mother was stopping them from getting dicked by every hot guy they saw and that's what they really wanted.
Now, even if they wanted to stay home and make babies they cannot. The cost of living for most of the world is designed for dual income, and the vast majority of men will not be able to support a family entirely on an achievable income. Because those bored rich bitches played right into the hands of the corporations and government who knew they could be a huge market for siphoning taxes/money.
We asked them what they wanted, and their infantile minds is what got us into this mess. Just the same as asking "where do you want to eat" gets you nowhere, neither is asking civilization level questions about what they want.
Because those bored rich bitches played right into the hands of the corporations and government who knew they could be a huge market for siphoning taxes/money.
They played their support role perfectly of furthering the interests of their rich husbands.
I'm gonna disagree on that point. It wasn't their own rich husbands they were furthering the interest of. It was the other rich husbands who were exciting and new and hotter.
Because these are not women of loyalty, or integrity, or any form of support. Doing something for their sake of their own husband is a concept foreign to them, else they wouldn't have found the idea of womanhood, motherhood, and home making so shackling and evil.
There were a multitude of reasons. Helping their own husband's interests is one I doubt.
(and the article doesn't seem to mention anything specific that women do want in exchange for having kids),
Only some vague statements about wanting to be treated more equally. Mind you, this essay was written by a Korean feminist, so it's unsurprising that its utter tripe.
The only measure of success on a geological timescale is propagating your genome.
Men who are too short-sighted to realize this are already lost.
Most women are lost as well, and will not realize they are off the path until it is far too late for them to return to the road, at which point they'll declare the grapes as sour as their remaining eggs and wallow in misery until their death.
It’s interesting, because the way things are going, “future humanity” will be comprised of conservative religious people, Indians, Africans and Latin Americans… If we don’t all kill each other first.
Because those are almost literally the only countries that are still breeding…
“Humanity intentionally wiping itself out through lack of procreation” was a fringe concept only a few decades ago. Now? It’s not even that far off, in like 50%+ of the world…
Fucken’ bizarre.
I’ve never really understood the “ideology” behind wanting to be single and childless for your whole life, personally. It is utterly alien, and thoroughly “anti-life” to me, personally. It’s honestly not even really something I can wrap my head around. But then, I even know people like this, so… Clearly it’s remarkably common.
I’ve never really understood the “ideology” behind wanting to be single and childless for your whole life, personally. It is utterly alien, and thoroughly “anti-life” to me, personally. It’s honestly not even really something I can wrap my head around. But then, I even know people like this, so… Clearly it’s remarkably common.
The West has developed mass psychosis as a result of cramming millions of people into tiny areas and meeting their every need. On a subconscious level they feel like cogs in a machine, because that is what they are. They exist to vote democrat. Beyond that, it's just empty, mind-destroying hedonism as they wait to die.
We live in a culture of death. Death is our preferred solution to any problem, rather than addressing the structures we have that prevent life from flourishing. Have a baby you don’t want to take care of? Kill it via abortion. Have an elderly parent who it’s inconvenient to help? Put them in a home so they can die out of sight and mind. Have horrifying levels of health and mental issues? Give drugs to deal with the symptoms rather than cut out the roots. A culture of death will only come to one end, because it ipso facto rejects life.
Its amazing despite all the problem, they still find a way to blame it all on men. Perhaps korean men should do what their chinese neighbours do and just outsource their women from neighbouring countries. To hell with korean women and may they rot in their feminism.
The government is also working to dismantle its own headquarters for women’s empowerment — the gender equality ministry. Established in 2001, it’s been transformative in normalizing parental leave for fathers and helping more women achieve workplace seniority.
The fertility rate in 2021 was 0.81: either gender equality hurts fertility rates, or they've completely failed their objective. Either way, it makes sense to dismantle it.
That's bullshit, though. North Korea is not conquering anything, dude. You can say whatever you want about South Korea, but North is literally DECADES behind in every metric that is important in a war in 2023.
Every non-military metric (except for the Murican security umbrella). It helps when you let everyone starve so you can invest everything in artillery and ballistic missiles. Combine that with a catastrophic population decline, and there's no way of telling what will happen.
I don't expect it, but nothing is impossible. However, if current trends continue, and the South commits demographic suicide, then the North may prove to be the more successful state/civilization. Obviously, I don't like it, but that's what happens when you disappear.
Young Koreans have well-documented reasons not to start a family, including the staggering costs of raising children, unaffordable homes, lousy job prospects and soul-crushing work hours.
All of these problems would be solved if women are banned from working. Rising costs are a direct result of women doubling the available workforce. And job prospects and work hours are irrelevant if they don't work.
The gubmint will use artificial wombs to give babies to women who want a new accessory. Men will be shut out of families. Men who want a child will be treated like pedophiles.
Many societies are going to have to have a reckoning soon about the actual role of women in society very soon. You cannot allow women to pretend that making babies isn't their most important role and responsibility. If they don't fulfill that role then they should be actively scorned and ostracized for it.
It’s kind of… Odd when you think about it that we’re constantly told that “progress” is essentially linear, and society is ever-moving to some sort of “liberal utopia”, in spite of a few “road bumps” along the way…
This, despite every indication to the contrary.
Even 100 years ago, “making babies” was the default position for women everywhere. Even 50 years ago - living memory for many people - it was still the norm. We’ve completely inverted that, among so many other things, and we’re told “Things will always continue this way. That’s just how they are, now”…
Well, if history teaches us anything, it’s that this sort of mindset, of “civilizational continuity” and, in essence, “seeing oneself as the pinnacle of human progress” tend not to last, in the very long term…
Who knows?
Everyone seems to know that something is very, very wrong with the way most of human society is headed - it’s just that none of us can seem to agree on exactly what that is…
Almost as if there were a unifying idea that something is inherently wrong with the human being and soul, causing us to not be able to maintain goodness on our own. If only there were some word to describe that concept…
With that in mind, I think it would be a good idea to ask women "What would it take to make having children worthwhile for you?"
The article explicitly mentions a bad job market and brutal hours; why do women want that? If they could stay home and only raise kids, is that not better than wage slaving? Or, rather than shaming the single, is there a problem with how "popular" culture portrays mothers?
Personally, I don't think women tend to understand their own motivations for doing things (and the article doesn't seem to mention anything specific that women do want in exchange for having kids), which suggests to me that this is the same result that feminism and "gender equality" have acheived in the West; women are propagandised into thinking that they want to be men.
They didn't. A bunch of overprivileged, bored and rich women a bunch of decades ago decided they did. But because women need social acceptance, they framed it as "all women" want this and convinced the rest that they were slaves who secretly wanted liberation. Mostly through the sexual revolution, because being a stay at home mother was stopping them from getting dicked by every hot guy they saw and that's what they really wanted.
Now, even if they wanted to stay home and make babies they cannot. The cost of living for most of the world is designed for dual income, and the vast majority of men will not be able to support a family entirely on an achievable income. Because those bored rich bitches played right into the hands of the corporations and government who knew they could be a huge market for siphoning taxes/money.
We asked them what they wanted, and their infantile minds is what got us into this mess. Just the same as asking "where do you want to eat" gets you nowhere, neither is asking civilization level questions about what they want.
As soon as humans discover an effective, mass-marketable method for medically curbing pussy thirst, this world is going to change big time.
They played their support role perfectly of furthering the interests of their rich husbands.
I'm gonna disagree on that point. It wasn't their own rich husbands they were furthering the interest of. It was the other rich husbands who were exciting and new and hotter.
This misses that something this widespread is rarely motivated by only 1 reason.
"Why not both?"
The rich have certainly gotten richer with these things.
Because these are not women of loyalty, or integrity, or any form of support. Doing something for their sake of their own husband is a concept foreign to them, else they wouldn't have found the idea of womanhood, motherhood, and home making so shackling and evil.
There were a multitude of reasons. Helping their own husband's interests is one I doubt.
Women, and most men, do whatever they are told to do.
Only some vague statements about wanting to be treated more equally. Mind you, this essay was written by a Korean feminist, so it's unsurprising that its utter tripe.
I swear, the only thing that would satisfy you is the extinction of the human race.
To "own teh wimmenz."
You forgot to add having the baby grow somewhere else and not having to deal with it at all.
The only measure of success on a geological timescale is propagating your genome.
Men who are too short-sighted to realize this are already lost.
Most women are lost as well, and will not realize they are off the path until it is far too late for them to return to the road, at which point they'll declare the grapes as sour as their remaining eggs and wallow in misery until their death.
It’s interesting, because the way things are going, “future humanity” will be comprised of conservative religious people, Indians, Africans and Latin Americans… If we don’t all kill each other first.
Because those are almost literally the only countries that are still breeding…
“Humanity intentionally wiping itself out through lack of procreation” was a fringe concept only a few decades ago. Now? It’s not even that far off, in like 50%+ of the world…
Fucken’ bizarre.
I’ve never really understood the “ideology” behind wanting to be single and childless for your whole life, personally. It is utterly alien, and thoroughly “anti-life” to me, personally. It’s honestly not even really something I can wrap my head around. But then, I even know people like this, so… Clearly it’s remarkably common.
Almost like "child-free" is the result of mass-indoctrination and would never convince people otherwise...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
The West has developed mass psychosis as a result of cramming millions of people into tiny areas and meeting their every need. On a subconscious level they feel like cogs in a machine, because that is what they are. They exist to vote democrat. Beyond that, it's just empty, mind-destroying hedonism as they wait to die.
It's really only sub-Saharan Africa, parts of the Middle East, and parts of Asia that have sustainable replacement rates. Surprisingly, India and most of latin america are nearly as bad as the west.
We live in a culture of death. Death is our preferred solution to any problem, rather than addressing the structures we have that prevent life from flourishing. Have a baby you don’t want to take care of? Kill it via abortion. Have an elderly parent who it’s inconvenient to help? Put them in a home so they can die out of sight and mind. Have horrifying levels of health and mental issues? Give drugs to deal with the symptoms rather than cut out the roots. A culture of death will only come to one end, because it ipso facto rejects life.
Its amazing despite all the problem, they still find a way to blame it all on men. Perhaps korean men should do what their chinese neighbours do and just outsource their women from neighbouring countries. To hell with korean women and may they rot in their feminism.
Username checks out.
Lol, the feminist is blaming Patriarchy for it. As if South Korea wasen't the most Feminist East-Asian country.
to the point where it was effectively run by a feminist cult
The fertility rate in 2021 was 0.81: either gender equality hurts fertility rates, or they've completely failed their objective. Either way, it makes sense to dismantle it.
South Korean women.
I wonder what will become of their feminism if North Korea conquers the south.
That has historically been the fate of declining lands.
And that is why single men and childless women have faced societal opprobrium since time immemorial.
That's bullshit, though. North Korea is not conquering anything, dude. You can say whatever you want about South Korea, but North is literally DECADES behind in every metric that is important in a war in 2023.
North Korea won't have to "conquer" South Korea if the South Koreans drive themselves to extinction to politely vacate the land.
A current generation of 100 S. Koreans will be down to ~20 grandkids. It's an apocalyptic disaster.
Every non-military metric (except for the Murican security umbrella). It helps when you let everyone starve so you can invest everything in artillery and ballistic missiles. Combine that with a catastrophic population decline, and there's no way of telling what will happen.
I don't expect it, but nothing is impossible. However, if current trends continue, and the South commits demographic suicide, then the North may prove to be the more successful state/civilization. Obviously, I don't like it, but that's what happens when you disappear.
What's the North Korean armor corps look like? What's their standard issue small arm? How good is their missile technology, actually?
It barely exists, a fucking AK-47 variant that manages to suck, and fucking laughable.
South Korea is actually a modern military, the Norks aren't invading any time soon.
Reminds me of that dumbass Homefront game that came out where the North Koreans invaded the U.S.
At least that game was an alternate history where Steve Jobs was North Korean so they were actually technologically advanced
Whereas in our universe that's China and the US government.
Committing societal suicide to own the patriarchy.
Tells me all I need to know about this article. Women are insufferable.
All of these problems would be solved if women are banned from working. Rising costs are a direct result of women doubling the available workforce. And job prospects and work hours are irrelevant if they don't work.
SK is gonna have to start buying North Korean women for their men like China to avoid their demo collapse. Lol
Ok, this is getting so stupid that I think these women should not be allowed to vote.
Ok, this is getting so stupid that I think women should not be allowed to vote.
Good, the world could use fewer people, especially in Asian anthill countries.
I think it's a good thing that total population will start to come down.
It won't, because the Sub-Saharan growth isn't projected to slow down ever, at least not in this century.
It's only extinction of all the other races except some Arabs. Afreo-futurism but real.
The country with the most 'plastic' women don't want to have children? Instead post online to escape patriarcheee?
Correlation is not causation, said face eating leopard.
Correction is not caucasian. - Korean Plastic Surgery Proverb.
The gubmint will use artificial wombs to give babies to women who want a new accessory. Men will be shut out of families. Men who want a child will be treated like pedophiles.