Redditor says fans need to be GRATEFUL that The Rings of Power exists
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lol, what book is being adapted here?
To be fair he didn't claim anything was being adapted. We just need to be grateful it got adaptated.
Loosely, you could say The Silmarillion.
Personally, I don't believe that's predominantly J.R.R.'s work. I think his son Christopher, and another writer named Guy Gavriel Kay, wrote most of it (perhaps based on notes left by J.R.R., maybe) and passed it off as official LotR material.
No, can't be. They explicitly DON'T have the rights to The Silmarillon, just the trilogy and the appendices to them. This is "fan"fiction by people who hold the original in contempt.
Whether or not they have the rights to it, it is the material they're riffing on. Valinor, Beleriand, fall of Númenor, the drama with Melkor and Sauron, etc.
It's not an adaptation of the "stories" of The Silmarillion, but there is absolutely no doubt that this is where the material is coming from.
You're both kind of correct. No need to speculate though, they've admitted what they have access to and where this stuff comes from.
All they legally have access to for lotr is the appendixes in the books, untold tales, and Silmarillion. They cannot use anything from the Silmarillion itself.
So they have to be stupidly vague about anything they mention in the story, and fill in the gaps with their own fanfic.
The distinction just isn't important to me. If I see a big talking lion sounding kind of like Jesus and bitch-slapping witches, I'm gonna say "Yeah, that's Aslan, and it's from C. S. Lewis's Narnia books," rights be damned, whether or not this particular story mimics one of the books specifically or not.
As I recall, the rights issue has come up previously, with Tolkein's blue wizards. Maybe it was Bakshi's Lord of the Rings animated feature. For whatever lawyerly reason, the rights had been granularly granted to the point where they could talk about the wizards, but had neglected to secure the right to say the names of these incredibly trivial characters who aren't even featured. So Gandalf refers to them, but has to say some nonsense about not remembering their names. Silliness.
I'm sure this is more of same. They have the rights to this, but not that, maybe they can say the name of one tree because it was mentioned in a poem in Two Towers, but not this other tree because it was only named in Silmarillion.
I don't know about you, but it doesn't matter to me. They're clearly pulling a bunch of stuff that may have been mentioned as an aside in the Rings books, but much of it was further fleshed out (maybe by J.R.R., but more likely by Christopher and Guy Gavriel Kay) in Silmarillion. Whatever it is, it's not completely original content.
Yeah, but there's a huge legal distinction
And that matters, why? The question on the table is where the material is from. We know where the material is from. I don't care even a little what lawyers managed to finagle what rights to exactly which characters can be used in what way.
Yeah, that's what happened. Guy Gavriel Kay is awesome. I highly recommend "Tigana," "Lions of al-Rassan," "The Sarantine Mosiac," and more.
Tigana is cool. I picked it up at a library sale for 50c because the cover was bizarre and intriguing. That was what put Kay on my radar, and caused me to notice how incredibly similar his writings were to J.R.R. Tolkein's supposed 'found' works and notes.
At the same sale, I picked up for similar reasons of neat cover, a book by the Watership Down guy, and hoo nelly, that book did not go as well. Who knew the bunny guy was so into rape-slaves?
In the 90s if you had told me so many things I loved would be adapted I would’ve loved it and talked about it in various nerd forums. Now I want them to stay as far away as possible from what I love. Time and time again they show contempt for source material or admit to never reading it.
Yeah I'm so glad it exists lol what would we do without it nobody has ever heard of poor little Lord of The Rings before.
The only saving grace are the top comments tearing into him.
And I’ve had people look at me crazy for telling them to simply read the book
Star Trek, Kor (DS9): ""Savour the fruit of life, my young friends. It has a sweet taste... when it is fresh from the vine. But don't live too long. The taste turns bitter after a time."
Yes, we used to think it would be AWESOME to have more Star Trek, more Star Wars, more D&D, more books made into movies, etc. We used to think it would be AWESOME if more people were into geek culture, comic books, video games, etc.
Now we realize how shitty it is.
Nerdy reminder that Kor was the first ever Klingon we saw in Star Trek. He was played by the same actor (John Colicos Dec/28-Mar/00) in both his TOS appearance in March 1967 and his 3 DS9 appearances in March 1994, November 1995, and finally November 1998 15 months before his death.
The above quote comes from the episode with his final appearance where he plays an old warrior who had the "luck" to survive all his previous battles while everyone else he knew died around him.
In the end Kor goes out like all Klingons want to: in battle and like a badass fighting literally 10 to 1 odds in a suicide mission so that the rest of his battle group would reach reinforcements. His death was never explicitly shown as the battle group moves out of sensor range before the fighting concludes.
One of my absolute favorite Trek episodes.
AND... it's a great example of treating fans and the past with respect. Here is Kor, the original Klingon, PLAYED BY THE SAME ACTOR, ~30 years later. As a character old, he's decrepit, he's a bit senile--the modern Klingons mock him even. But damned if he doesn't go out in a blaze of glory that impresses even the scornful modern Klingons.
Such a damn good tribute.
Amazon paid a billion dollars for Tolkien and made a cheap knock-off worse than the Witcher or Dragon Age.
I'll take my gratitude elsewhere.
I was just using it as an example of another Middle Earth-ish setting.
Fingers tickling his larynx.
As far I’m concerned it doesn’t exist. Do you know what’s worse than people hating your new tv show? No one caring about it at all.
"How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?"
“Feels great.”
We're also lucky we have bugs to eat.
Guarantee 100% they like things shoved up their asshole.
I mean we are all grateful for shit to turn into manure but we don't praise it to high haven?
First of all, this is not an adaptation. This is a fanfic that's taking a few scraps out of the appendices and using them to make a glorified soap opera.
Second, this is why I've grown to hate the very concept of film and TV adaptations. There's a prevalent belief in western culture that these are the ultimate form of storytelling and what all stories must aspire to become, and if they don't, then they're inferior and in a sense "incomplete" and not good enough by themselves. That the act of having to read them if they're books or comics, play them if they're games, and so on, is an annoyance you have to endure. I hate this belief, I thought this thought process, and I think its fucking time that film (re)learns to stand on its own and stop leaching off the other mediums because the people behind them are creatively bankrupt.
We've got the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. No Tolkien fan was begging for Hollywood to touch anything else. Especially after we saw what Hollywood management did to The Hobbit.
better nothing than a perversion
Sauron : ''Hey look at these
OrcsModern Elves. Aren't they beautiful? Surely you will praise what I have done to this classic to adapt it to our Modern Times? Stop calling it a perversion. It's Modernisation. Don't run back to the Elves. I'll kill them all if I have to, so you worship my Orcs''In the land of Reddit, in the soy of Mount Coom, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master NPC to control all others.
I don't read a lot, and I can not even imagine how painful it must be to have your cherished literature being used as toilet paper by profiteers.
Fuck off, there was already a cartoon adaptation or two (by the same dude who did Fritz the Cat, but you were just to young to be allowed to see it, drudge.
In the category of 'what not to do with a beloved universe' that's where I'm thankful it is. Because when it fails,
And it will fail,
I can point to it and say "No one wants that" when they ask about Middle Earth and it's universe.
The people responsible for making it have a track record of destroying things. The corporation that funds it hasn't produced a single video game that hasn't self imploded within the year it released. It's destined to be the zork grand inquisitor of it's series. It exists, and to some it might even be mediocre, but it exists as a what not to do with it's universe.
You know what I did with my favorite books? I read them, and didn't sit around crying that people didn't turn it into movies and tv shows instead.
This really pathetic idea of needing constant exploitation and usage of an IP has been prevailing a lot in the last decade, and its probably one of the root cancers of a lot of the problems in media.
Anyone complaining about not having a film/TV/anime adaptation of their favorite book/comic/manga/game/whatever, or expressing a wish for an adaptation of them is just admitting that the story in its current and intended state isn't good enough for them. It's utterly sickening to me.
I am grateful, for all the memes and funny youtube takes. As for the show itself it doesn't affect me either way as I don't plan on ever seeing it.
I grew up in the 70's and even back then everything was fucking possible. Ahtuallly it was way easier to make the cinema/tv you wanted back then than it is today, think of Airplane (1980)...
He's also completely wrong when he grew up in the 80s.
Bakshi's Lord of the Rings movie released in 1978. It was a mix between comic graphics & real filming.
Here's the scene where the Nazgul is close to catching the hobbits when leaving the Shire. Peter Jackson himself said that this scene was an inspiration for the scene in his movie (and you can clearly see it).
The Hobbit 1977 and Return of the King 1980 were two other comic movies/musicals inspired by Middle-Earth stories.
What the Proglodites did to try to subvert and destroy Tolkien's legacy as a foundation of English fantasy mythology was so ridiculously on-the-nose, it is as subtle as smearing shit on a Bible, to sell it inside a Church, while telling Christian you're making ''modern Christian content''.
Tolkien insisted very much how he disliked allegory and wasen't writing to preach about INSERT CURRENT THING.
Proglodites wore a Tolkien Universe skin-suit to preach about Intersectional race and gender politics. And probably launder a shit ton of money.