For many Ukrainians, the theft of the grain — and its unlawful export — recall the traumatic famine of 1932-33 when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, and Ukrainian peasants had their grain expropriated. Four million people died, in the hunger known as the Holodomor.
Oh, so now the Holodomor is a thing, even though when you ask Commies about it they just say it wasn't the Soviet's fault?
Russia and Ukraine normally supply about 40 percent of wheat needs in Africa, where prices for the grain have risen 23 percent in the past year, the United Nations says. In the Horn of Africa region, a devastating drought has left 17 million people hungry, mostly in parts of Somalia, Ethiopia and Kenya, according to the United Nations. More than 200,000 people in Somalia are on the brink of famine.
The BLM USG now demands that they starve:
In mid-May, the United States sent an alert to 14 countries, mostly in Africa, that Russian cargo vessels were leaving ports near Ukraine laden with what a State Department cable described as “stolen Ukrainian grain.” The cable identified by name three Russian cargo vessels it said were suspected of transporting it.
"pls starve for our Nazi puppets, blackies"
It's rejected though.
“This is not a dilemma,” Mr. Khannenje said. “Africans don’t care where they get their food from, and if someone is going to moralize about that, they are mistaken.”
“The need for food is so severe,” he added, “that it’s not something they need to debate.”
It's probably because some of these African countries had good relations with the Trump administration, and appreciate a lack of American meddling (and a bulwark against the Chinese Road & Bridge Program).
In response, just like any Trump supporter, you get to watch your family starve to death and die.
Maybe your people shouldn't have bred like rabbits in a part of the world where it's impossible to even feed your own people without a trillion dollars stolen from Whitey?
The Americans didn't actually steal any of the Iraqi oil for all the investment (blood and money), and the oil contracts were sold by the new (and in large part Iranian controlled) Iraqi government mostly to China, Russia, and France (in about that order if I remember correctly). Americans firms didn't secure a single contract.
This is also a big joke amongst policy wonks on the Middle East (like me).
"Ugh we though Egypt was a good ally, why aren't they condemning Russia!?"
"Because around 50% of their grain imports come from Russia, dumbass. Another 30% come from Ukraine. They aren't gonna condemn anybody. They just hope they can feed their people so another revolution doesn't kick off."
Hate to have to defend Impy, but he said compromise, not surrender.
Ironically, it has already surrendered and fully prostituted itself to the EU and the US though. When you make yourself an instrument for the Americans "to fight Russia over there so we don't have to fight them here", it is not surprising at all that the Russians are not going to be happy with that.
And that's not just the mobilization and deployment of forces, and digging trenches (and tunnels!) and placing mines, and dispersing of ammunition storages, and evacuating civilians. It's also just arming themselves properly.
Like, for example, I talked you about the upgraded Stugna missile system being great (it's literally awesome, supposed to be just anti-tank but even shot down a fast moving helicopter). It was produced as an export product, they now use Arabic text interface because they didn't even have a Cyryllic version for they didn't think they would use it in a long frozen conflict of occasional sniper fire and mortar exchanges. They didn't rush the production of the Neptune missiles too (scheduled to start in April), had only the prototypes they used to destroy Moscow (the warship).
With more of these "American weapons" of theirs, the so sadly "all not happy" Russians would be even more unhappy, also dead.
Poland in 1939 at least had a somewhat-successful secret mobilization prior to the invasion (https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=160494). Ukraine did fuck all, like the USSR in 1941 despite obvious German movements and all the warnings.
And that's not just the mobilization and deployment of forces, and digging trenches (and tunnels!) and placing mines, and dispersing of ammunition storages, and evacuating civilians. It's also just arming themselves properly.
I find it hard to believe that they would be that stupid. At least Stalin had a legitimate reason for his nonsense, trying not to provoke the Germans into invading before 1942. I'm sure you know that Stalin knew full well that the Germans would invade, he just did not expect it to land in 1941.
With more of these "American weapons" of theirs, the so sadly "all not happy" Russians would be even more unhappy, also dead.
Well yeah. Murdering Russians is the point of those American weapons. I also saw Russian accounts claiming that they found munitions in civilian areas in Donetsk supplied by NATO. So not just soldiers. Anything the Kiev regime does is a-OK with the West.
For the record, it's the West and its state religion of hypocrisy that's the problem. The Ukrainians are not acting any more vilely than the Russians, as far as anyone can demonstrate.
Poland in 1939 at least had a somewhat-successful secret mobilization prior to the invasion (https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=160494). Ukraine did fuck all, like the USSR in 1941 despite obvious German movements and all the warnings.
It is puzzling. Apart from the facile "Zelensky is a clown" explanations, the only semi-decent explanation that I have seen is that the Russian forces were so poorly arrayed, prepared and equipped for an invasion that the Ukrainians did not take seriously that they would be used for an invasion. I don't know if reports that it was a last-minute decision by VVP are accurate, but if so, that would be consistent with this.
And frankly, 170,000 soldiers for a full-scale invasion of a heavily militarized, heavily fortified country with 800,000 men who had military experience always sounded pretty stupid to me.
The purpose of American weapons (laughably few of them) is to kill Russians, not to "murder" them. What the fuck, again?
Wish they really had your "munitions supposed by NATO". They're fast running out of their own (Soviet and post Soviet) and getting a trickle, like this internally less than dozen HIMARS will only get few reloads each, and the recently arrived M777s got only enough for several days of intense use (and no neweet extended range shells at all). This is extremely little, it's just ridicalous. They work of course, but can be only used very sparsely, in particular against arty, like that: https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1536223829067956228 Otherwise they're so low on their own ammo, just look at https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1536051296872054785 - 4 shots, 3 hits and some shit on fire, and then no more, they can't fire for effect or anything not arty in duels.
Btw, the Taliban just officially thanked Russia for all the (secret) help they have been receiving for 2 decades of fighting against America and allies. That's in their own words. Americans have been talking it for years (including about Russia's Iran Conta drugs for weapons scheme), now it's not a secret anymore.
The final decision to attack (which the Americans announced they know about in a desperate move, and people here laughed about it) was made long in advance. It was then only delayed from Feb 16 to 24.
You forgot to count the DNR/LNR, who forcibly conscripted (at checkpoints) most men aged 18-55 (giving a lot of them WWII bolt action rifles because cannon fodder, not like Russia doesn't have mountains of spare AKs they don't use anymore - it's only "amazing" (https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1525055727286599682) if you think Moscow has any care for them), and evacuated civilians (then brought them back after the attack began). Also long in advance, while meanwhile Ukraine sat on their thumbs and called the Americans not to "spread desinfromation designed to cause panic in the society and disruption in economy" or whatever idiotic way they exactly phrased it. Now they need to shell their own occupied infrastructure to kill the invaders (Invaders Must Die https://youtube.com/watch?v=y2fo5JEanhY), how about that for a disruption. It's a pretty fucking big distruption. "You want peace, prepare for war."
Btw Russians are now also press ganging the men in the newly occupied territories. All while they don't use conscripts from Russia and don't send almost anyone from Moscow or St Pete (plus disproportionately the dead from Russia are ethnic minorities of all sorts).
The purpose of American weapons (laughably few of them) is to kill Russians, not to "murder" them. What the fuck, again?
Not sure how $40 billion, which is close to the military budget of the Ruskies, is 'laughably little', but alright. And Russian sources claim that they have found NATO munitions shot at civilian areas.
Wish they really had your "munitions supposed by NATO".
Sincere question: why? What is that shithole of a country to you, or to me?
Btw, the Taliban just officially thanked Russia for all the (secret) help they have been receiving for 2 decades of fighting against America and allies. That's in their own words. Americans have been talking it for years (including about Russia's Iran Conta drugs for weapons scheme), now it's not a secret anymore.
Can you link the statement? I remember the 'Russian bounties' story, which was of course complete bunk.
Regardless, you keep forgetting that my argument is not "Russia good". It's that the West is at least as bad as they claim Russia is.
The final decision to attack (which the Americans announced they know about in a desperate move, and people here laughed about it) was made long in advance. It was then only delayed from Feb 16 to 24.
Then why be so poorly prepared (if those claims are correct, which seems likely to me)? It makes more sense that it was done as a feint, as a bargaining chip, but when Putin realized that the West was absolutely immovable and wouldn't make the slightest concessions - he ordered the invasion.
It seems to me that the Americans were the only ones who wanted and want this war (along with their European puppets), which is why they are so jingoistic about it.
giving a lot of them WWII bolt action rifles because cannon fodder, not like Russia doesn't have mountains of spare AKs they don't use anymore
How does that make sense? These are the people Putin hopes to rule. There is not much to rule if people are dead and the rest hate you for sending people to their deaths.
Also, if Russia did send them AKs, the Western countries would cry about 'Russian weapon deliveries'.
and evacuated civilians (then brought them back after the attack began).
Dead civilians have very good propaganda value, which would explain this as well as the behavior of Hamas and Ukraine.
If you want peace, do not try to shift the balance of power. Because if Ukraine is getting stronger and Russia is getting weaker, as was the case, that makes war inevitable - as you well know due to the World War I precedent.
One American weapons are very expensive, two only a faction of this goes into military aid.
What is it to me: they fight Russia there so we (and the Baltics, and the Moldovans, and the Georgians again,and others) don't have to fight Russia HERE. But time can come we might have to fight here. An actual World War III, alright. Don't cry about nuclear war then.
Btw this "shithole" is the largest European country. Even used to be the #3 global nuclear superpower, more so than China, for a short while.
You learnt the word "feint" from the desperate rationalisation of Russian defeat ob the northern front, don't you. I know you did
We aren't anyone's puppets. We used to be Moscow'a, 1944-1989. Never again.
Americans openly said they are making this public as to avoid the attack. While Ukraine didn't cooperate and kept making stupid statements to the contrary, and then the sudden rush to make (useless) Molotov cocktails and other last ditch idiocy. Pain
The Taliboys judt visited Moscow, look it up.
They have given them fucking trainload of tanks and artillery, and the airliner-downing Buks, and everything in the past. But that went to the volunteers fighting instead of Russian regulars (well to the "vacationing" regulars too), and not the drafted cannon fodder. About which Strelkov recently said they suffered 70% casualties in infantry on the Kherson front.
It's kinda funny how much doomposting Strelkov is constantly. He may end up purged after all.
What and how "jingoistic nonsense"? The need to smash and burn own farms and factories and public buildings to reach out and touch the invaders hiding inside them?
Russia wasnt ,"getting weaker". Not stop military reforms and rearmament for decades, and tested all this in Syria (this is what they officiallly and publicly called it, testing new weapons, over 320 new systems, tested on humans, the ones who couldn't really fight back https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210715-russia-tested-320-types-of-weapons-in-syria). Turns out it doesn't work that well when there's someone with the ability to shoot back, how sad
They were so peaceful they didn't even act on the American warnings, and publicly disbelieved them.
Not sure how much that counts in favor of your "peacefulness". Stalin wasn't the most peaceful man either.
They ("Nazi puppets") would have won the damn war already if they have been prepared just like they were told to.
Then Russia would simply mobilize and crush them with superior numbers, and have Belarus stage diversionary operations to prevent troops in the West from doing anything. There is no winning for Ukraine. A loss would be fatal for Putin, so there is no way he will allow that to happen.
They WANT a famine in Africa to create more migrants that flood the West.
Bingo.
The US toppled Ghadaffi for precisely this reason. It's rather obvious that the policy is to destroy Europe.
With the full cooperation of the Brussels EU.
And the U.S. as well. These invaders flood through our southern border and its quite clear they didnt originate in mexico.
Invaders. The word is "invaders".
Oh, so now the Holodomor is a thing, even though when you ask Commies about it they just say it wasn't the Soviet's fault?
It was just a hunger bro.
George Bernard Shaw went to the USSR during the height of the famine and reported an overfed population.
This is Russian position.
The BLM USG now demands that they starve:
"pls starve for our Nazi puppets, blackies"
It's rejected though.
It's probably because some of these African countries had good relations with the Trump administration, and appreciate a lack of American meddling (and a bulwark against the Chinese Road & Bridge Program).
In response, just like any Trump supporter, you get to watch your family starve to death and die.
Employing plenty of Africans or plenty of Chinese?
It's all so tiresome.
It's making a ton of difference:
It's giving China a whole swath of debt slaves and vassal states in Africa.
Based response from the Africans. As if they are going to allow people to starve for the vertue signal.
It's honestly fucking discusting they where ever asked too
This wouldn't in any way be a feeble effort at retribution for the African governments derailing the WHO Medical Imperialism Treaty.
Maybe your people shouldn't have bred like rabbits in a part of the world where it's impossible to even feed your own people without a trillion dollars stolen from Whitey?
This is a self correcting problem.
Punishment for voting against the WHO treaty.
It's about the Ukrainian wheat (stolen).
The Americans didn't actually steal any of the Iraqi oil for all the investment (blood and money), and the oil contracts were sold by the new (and in large part Iranian controlled) Iraqi government mostly to China, Russia, and France (in about that order if I remember correctly). Americans firms didn't secure a single contract.
The Horn of Africa has a population of 141 million on a land that sustains probably a quarter of that. They’ve been starving since the 80s.
Not saying this is good, just par for the course.
They were starving for decades before that.
Somehow there's always energy for sex, and child birth.
And not enough brainpower to use birth control on their own.
This is also a big joke amongst policy wonks on the Middle East (like me).
"Ugh we though Egypt was a good ally, why aren't they condemning Russia!?"
"Because around 50% of their grain imports come from Russia, dumbass. Another 30% come from Ukraine. They aren't gonna condemn anybody. They just hope they can feed their people so another revolution doesn't kick off."
Is there a way that Ukraine isn't being used a fulcrum for evil?
It's about Ukrainian wheat. Russia stole a bunch of it and also blockades the expert with their navy.
That must mean Biden is sending them alternatives huh? Right? Right?!
Thoughts and prayers.
Doesnt egypt have a lot of grain?? I remember egypt was very important in that aspect and once provided grain to the roman empire.
And also... if only they let gaddafi live to create a green libya to grow stuff.
Egypt self destructed.
Ironic considering their short arab spring, is now a long summer drought
the nile moved and fucked a lot of that up
Based?
Yah, why doesn't Ukraine just surrender? That would stop the fighting right quick.
Hate to have to defend Impy, but he said compromise, not surrender.
Ironically, it has already surrendered and fully prostituted itself to the EU and the US though. When you make yourself an instrument for the Americans "to fight Russia over there so we don't have to fight them here", it is not surprising at all that the Russians are not going to be happy with that.
And that's not just the mobilization and deployment of forces, and digging trenches (and tunnels!) and placing mines, and dispersing of ammunition storages, and evacuating civilians. It's also just arming themselves properly.
Like, for example, I talked you about the upgraded Stugna missile system being great (it's literally awesome, supposed to be just anti-tank but even shot down a fast moving helicopter). It was produced as an export product, they now use Arabic text interface because they didn't even have a Cyryllic version for they didn't think they would use it in a long frozen conflict of occasional sniper fire and mortar exchanges. They didn't rush the production of the Neptune missiles too (scheduled to start in April), had only the prototypes they used to destroy Moscow (the warship).
With more of these "American weapons" of theirs, the so sadly "all not happy" Russians would be even more unhappy, also dead.
Poland in 1939 at least had a somewhat-successful secret mobilization prior to the invasion (https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=160494). Ukraine did fuck all, like the USSR in 1941 despite obvious German movements and all the warnings.
I find it hard to believe that they would be that stupid. At least Stalin had a legitimate reason for his nonsense, trying not to provoke the Germans into invading before 1942. I'm sure you know that Stalin knew full well that the Germans would invade, he just did not expect it to land in 1941.
Well yeah. Murdering Russians is the point of those American weapons. I also saw Russian accounts claiming that they found munitions in civilian areas in Donetsk supplied by NATO. So not just soldiers. Anything the Kiev regime does is a-OK with the West.
For the record, it's the West and its state religion of hypocrisy that's the problem. The Ukrainians are not acting any more vilely than the Russians, as far as anyone can demonstrate.
It is puzzling. Apart from the facile "Zelensky is a clown" explanations, the only semi-decent explanation that I have seen is that the Russian forces were so poorly arrayed, prepared and equipped for an invasion that the Ukrainians did not take seriously that they would be used for an invasion. I don't know if reports that it was a last-minute decision by VVP are accurate, but if so, that would be consistent with this.
And frankly, 170,000 soldiers for a full-scale invasion of a heavily militarized, heavily fortified country with 800,000 men who had military experience always sounded pretty stupid to me.
The purpose of American weapons (laughably few of them) is to kill Russians, not to "murder" them. What the fuck, again?
Wish they really had your "munitions supposed by NATO". They're fast running out of their own (Soviet and post Soviet) and getting a trickle, like this internally less than dozen HIMARS will only get few reloads each, and the recently arrived M777s got only enough for several days of intense use (and no neweet extended range shells at all). This is extremely little, it's just ridicalous. They work of course, but can be only used very sparsely, in particular against arty, like that: https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1536223829067956228 Otherwise they're so low on their own ammo, just look at https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1536051296872054785 - 4 shots, 3 hits and some shit on fire, and then no more, they can't fire for effect or anything not arty in duels.
Btw, the Taliban just officially thanked Russia for all the (secret) help they have been receiving for 2 decades of fighting against America and allies. That's in their own words. Americans have been talking it for years (including about Russia's Iran Conta drugs for weapons scheme), now it's not a secret anymore.
The final decision to attack (which the Americans announced they know about in a desperate move, and people here laughed about it) was made long in advance. It was then only delayed from Feb 16 to 24.
You forgot to count the DNR/LNR, who forcibly conscripted (at checkpoints) most men aged 18-55 (giving a lot of them WWII bolt action rifles because cannon fodder, not like Russia doesn't have mountains of spare AKs they don't use anymore - it's only "amazing" (https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1525055727286599682) if you think Moscow has any care for them), and evacuated civilians (then brought them back after the attack began). Also long in advance, while meanwhile Ukraine sat on their thumbs and called the Americans not to "spread desinfromation designed to cause panic in the society and disruption in economy" or whatever idiotic way they exactly phrased it. Now they need to shell their own occupied infrastructure to kill the invaders (Invaders Must Die https://youtube.com/watch?v=y2fo5JEanhY), how about that for a disruption. It's a pretty fucking big distruption. "You want peace, prepare for war."
Btw Russians are now also press ganging the men in the newly occupied territories. All while they don't use conscripts from Russia and don't send almost anyone from Moscow or St Pete (plus disproportionately the dead from Russia are ethnic minorities of all sorts).
Not sure how $40 billion, which is close to the military budget of the Ruskies, is 'laughably little', but alright. And Russian sources claim that they have found NATO munitions shot at civilian areas.
Sincere question: why? What is that shithole of a country to you, or to me?
Can you link the statement? I remember the 'Russian bounties' story, which was of course complete bunk.
Regardless, you keep forgetting that my argument is not "Russia good". It's that the West is at least as bad as they claim Russia is.
Then why be so poorly prepared (if those claims are correct, which seems likely to me)? It makes more sense that it was done as a feint, as a bargaining chip, but when Putin realized that the West was absolutely immovable and wouldn't make the slightest concessions - he ordered the invasion.
It seems to me that the Americans were the only ones who wanted and want this war (along with their European puppets), which is why they are so jingoistic about it.
How does that make sense? These are the people Putin hopes to rule. There is not much to rule if people are dead and the rest hate you for sending people to their deaths.
Also, if Russia did send them AKs, the Western countries would cry about 'Russian weapon deliveries'.
Dead civilians have very good propaganda value, which would explain this as well as the behavior of Hamas and Ukraine.
What repellent jingoistic nonsense.
If you want peace, do not try to shift the balance of power. Because if Ukraine is getting stronger and Russia is getting weaker, as was the case, that makes war inevitable - as you well know due to the World War I precedent.
Actually wrong, it was at the Rus Embassy.
https://twitter.com/SamriBackup/status/1535195176100155392
https://twitter.com/ArianaNews_/status/1535240786526228483
One American weapons are very expensive, two only a faction of this goes into military aid.
What is it to me: they fight Russia there so we (and the Baltics, and the Moldovans, and the Georgians again,and others) don't have to fight Russia HERE. But time can come we might have to fight here. An actual World War III, alright. Don't cry about nuclear war then.
Btw this "shithole" is the largest European country. Even used to be the #3 global nuclear superpower, more so than China, for a short while.
You learnt the word "feint" from the desperate rationalisation of Russian defeat ob the northern front, don't you. I know you did
We aren't anyone's puppets. We used to be Moscow'a, 1944-1989. Never again.
Americans openly said they are making this public as to avoid the attack. While Ukraine didn't cooperate and kept making stupid statements to the contrary, and then the sudden rush to make (useless) Molotov cocktails and other last ditch idiocy. Pain
The Taliboys judt visited Moscow, look it up.
They have given them fucking trainload of tanks and artillery, and the airliner-downing Buks, and everything in the past. But that went to the volunteers fighting instead of Russian regulars (well to the "vacationing" regulars too), and not the drafted cannon fodder. About which Strelkov recently said they suffered 70% casualties in infantry on the Kherson front.
It's kinda funny how much doomposting Strelkov is constantly. He may end up purged after all.
What and how "jingoistic nonsense"? The need to smash and burn own farms and factories and public buildings to reach out and touch the invaders hiding inside them?
Russia wasnt ,"getting weaker". Not stop military reforms and rearmament for decades, and tested all this in Syria (this is what they officiallly and publicly called it, testing new weapons, over 320 new systems, tested on humans, the ones who couldn't really fight back https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210715-russia-tested-320-types-of-weapons-in-syria). Turns out it doesn't work that well when there's someone with the ability to shoot back, how sad
They were so peaceful they didn't even act on the American warnings, and publicly disbelieved them.
They ("Nazi puppets") would have won the damn war already if they have been prepared just like they were told to.
Not sure how much that counts in favor of your "peacefulness". Stalin wasn't the most peaceful man either.
Then Russia would simply mobilize and crush them with superior numbers, and have Belarus stage diversionary operations to prevent troops in the West from doing anything. There is no winning for Ukraine. A loss would be fatal for Putin, so there is no way he will allow that to happen.