And that's not just the mobilization and deployment of forces, and digging trenches (and tunnels!) and placing mines, and dispersing of ammunition storages, and evacuating civilians. It's also just arming themselves properly.
I find it hard to believe that they would be that stupid. At least Stalin had a legitimate reason for his nonsense, trying not to provoke the Germans into invading before 1942. I'm sure you know that Stalin knew full well that the Germans would invade, he just did not expect it to land in 1941.
With more of these "American weapons" of theirs, the so sadly "all not happy" Russians would be even more unhappy, also dead.
Well yeah. Murdering Russians is the point of those American weapons. I also saw Russian accounts claiming that they found munitions in civilian areas in Donetsk supplied by NATO. So not just soldiers. Anything the Kiev regime does is a-OK with the West.
For the record, it's the West and its state religion of hypocrisy that's the problem. The Ukrainians are not acting any more vilely than the Russians, as far as anyone can demonstrate.
Poland in 1939 at least had a somewhat-successful secret mobilization prior to the invasion (https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=160494). Ukraine did fuck all, like the USSR in 1941 despite obvious German movements and all the warnings.
It is puzzling. Apart from the facile "Zelensky is a clown" explanations, the only semi-decent explanation that I have seen is that the Russian forces were so poorly arrayed, prepared and equipped for an invasion that the Ukrainians did not take seriously that they would be used for an invasion. I don't know if reports that it was a last-minute decision by VVP are accurate, but if so, that would be consistent with this.
And frankly, 170,000 soldiers for a full-scale invasion of a heavily militarized, heavily fortified country with 800,000 men who had military experience always sounded pretty stupid to me.
The purpose of American weapons (laughably few of them) is to kill Russians, not to "murder" them. What the fuck, again?
Wish they really had your "munitions supposed by NATO". They're fast running out of their own (Soviet and post Soviet) and getting a trickle, like this internally less than dozen HIMARS will only get few reloads each, and the recently arrived M777s got only enough for several days of intense use (and no neweet extended range shells at all). This is extremely little, it's just ridicalous. They work of course, but can be only used very sparsely, in particular against arty, like that: https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1536223829067956228 Otherwise they're so low on their own ammo, just look at https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1536051296872054785 - 4 shots, 3 hits and some shit on fire, and then no more, they can't fire for effect or anything not arty in duels.
Btw, the Taliban just officially thanked Russia for all the (secret) help they have been receiving for 2 decades of fighting against America and allies. That's in their own words. Americans have been talking it for years (including about Russia's Iran Conta drugs for weapons scheme), now it's not a secret anymore.
The final decision to attack (which the Americans announced they know about in a desperate move, and people here laughed about it) was made long in advance. It was then only delayed from Feb 16 to 24.
You forgot to count the DNR/LNR, who forcibly conscripted (at checkpoints) most men aged 18-55 (giving a lot of them WWII bolt action rifles because cannon fodder, not like Russia doesn't have mountains of spare AKs they don't use anymore - it's only "amazing" (https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1525055727286599682) if you think Moscow has any care for them), and evacuated civilians (then brought them back after the attack began). Also long in advance, while meanwhile Ukraine sat on their thumbs and called the Americans not to "spread desinfromation designed to cause panic in the society and disruption in economy" or whatever idiotic way they exactly phrased it. Now they need to shell their own occupied infrastructure to kill the invaders (Invaders Must Die https://youtube.com/watch?v=y2fo5JEanhY), how about that for a disruption. It's a pretty fucking big distruption. "You want peace, prepare for war."
Btw Russians are now also press ganging the men in the newly occupied territories. All while they don't use conscripts from Russia and don't send almost anyone from Moscow or St Pete (plus disproportionately the dead from Russia are ethnic minorities of all sorts).
The purpose of American weapons (laughably few of them) is to kill Russians, not to "murder" them. What the fuck, again?
Not sure how $40 billion, which is close to the military budget of the Ruskies, is 'laughably little', but alright. And Russian sources claim that they have found NATO munitions shot at civilian areas.
Wish they really had your "munitions supposed by NATO".
Sincere question: why? What is that shithole of a country to you, or to me?
Btw, the Taliban just officially thanked Russia for all the (secret) help they have been receiving for 2 decades of fighting against America and allies. That's in their own words. Americans have been talking it for years (including about Russia's Iran Conta drugs for weapons scheme), now it's not a secret anymore.
Can you link the statement? I remember the 'Russian bounties' story, which was of course complete bunk.
Regardless, you keep forgetting that my argument is not "Russia good". It's that the West is at least as bad as they claim Russia is.
The final decision to attack (which the Americans announced they know about in a desperate move, and people here laughed about it) was made long in advance. It was then only delayed from Feb 16 to 24.
Then why be so poorly prepared (if those claims are correct, which seems likely to me)? It makes more sense that it was done as a feint, as a bargaining chip, but when Putin realized that the West was absolutely immovable and wouldn't make the slightest concessions - he ordered the invasion.
It seems to me that the Americans were the only ones who wanted and want this war (along with their European puppets), which is why they are so jingoistic about it.
giving a lot of them WWII bolt action rifles because cannon fodder, not like Russia doesn't have mountains of spare AKs they don't use anymore
How does that make sense? These are the people Putin hopes to rule. There is not much to rule if people are dead and the rest hate you for sending people to their deaths.
Also, if Russia did send them AKs, the Western countries would cry about 'Russian weapon deliveries'.
and evacuated civilians (then brought them back after the attack began).
Dead civilians have very good propaganda value, which would explain this as well as the behavior of Hamas and Ukraine.
If you want peace, do not try to shift the balance of power. Because if Ukraine is getting stronger and Russia is getting weaker, as was the case, that makes war inevitable - as you well know due to the World War I precedent.
One American weapons are very expensive, two only a faction of this goes into military aid.
What is it to me: they fight Russia there so we (and the Baltics, and the Moldovans, and the Georgians again,and others) don't have to fight Russia HERE. But time can come we might have to fight here. An actual World War III, alright. Don't cry about nuclear war then.
Btw this "shithole" is the largest European country. Even used to be the #3 global nuclear superpower, more so than China, for a short while.
You learnt the word "feint" from the desperate rationalisation of Russian defeat ob the northern front, don't you. I know you did
We aren't anyone's puppets. We used to be Moscow'a, 1944-1989. Never again.
Americans openly said they are making this public as to avoid the attack. While Ukraine didn't cooperate and kept making stupid statements to the contrary, and then the sudden rush to make (useless) Molotov cocktails and other last ditch idiocy. Pain
The Taliboys judt visited Moscow, look it up.
They have given them fucking trainload of tanks and artillery, and the airliner-downing Buks, and everything in the past. But that went to the volunteers fighting instead of Russian regulars (well to the "vacationing" regulars too), and not the drafted cannon fodder. About which Strelkov recently said they suffered 70% casualties in infantry on the Kherson front.
It's kinda funny how much doomposting Strelkov is constantly. He may end up purged after all.
What and how "jingoistic nonsense"? The need to smash and burn own farms and factories and public buildings to reach out and touch the invaders hiding inside them?
Russia wasnt ,"getting weaker". Not stop military reforms and rearmament for decades, and tested all this in Syria (this is what they officiallly and publicly called it, testing new weapons, over 320 new systems, tested on humans, the ones who couldn't really fight back https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210715-russia-tested-320-types-of-weapons-in-syria). Turns out it doesn't work that well when there's someone with the ability to shoot back, how sad
What is it to me: they fight Russia there so we (and the Baltics, and the Moldovans, and the Georgians again,and others) don't have to fight Russia HERE. But time can come we might have to fight here. An actual World War III, alright. Don't cry about nuclear war then.
Interfering with Russia in its own backyard is what creates the risk for World War III. Russia isn't coming for me, or even for you. Ukraine was a part of Russia for 200 years. No one said anything. Now it's suddenly sacred. No.
Call me when Russia actually invades a state that was not a constituent republic of the USSR.
Btw this "shithole" is the largest European country. Even used to be the #3 global nuclear superpower, more so than China, for a short while.
Just being large does not make you not a shithole.
You learnt the word "feint" from the desperate rationalisation of Russian defeat ob the northern front, don't you. I know you did
Unsure. I don't think so.
We aren't anyone's puppets. We used to be Moscow'a, 1944-1989. Never again.
You and Hungary actually fight back against the GAE. The same cannot be said of other EU member states. Doesn't the EU try to put sanctions on Hungary for preventing homosexual propaganda from being spread to children?
I fear that the American empire will prove worse than what came before. Hungarian and Polish culture survived the communists. It may not survive consumerist, managerial, American capitalism. But surprise me.
Americans openly said they are making this public as to avoid the attack.
I mean, they would look pretty bad if they admitted beforehand "we want this to happen in order to weaken Russia at the expense of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives".
It's kinda funny how much doomposting Strelkov is constantly. He may end up purged after all.
Wasn't he already purged?
What and how "jingoistic nonsense"? The need to smash and burn own farms and factories and public buildings to reach out and touch the invaders hiding inside them?
"Death to the invaders".
Russia wasnt ,"getting weaker".
Compare 2022 to 2014. If Russia had invaded in 2014, it would have been a cakewalk. The Banderists were getting their asses kicked by the separatists, for Pete's sake, as much as you want to cite 5 Russian soldiers as the deciding factor. If Russia had invaded in 2014, it would have been over very quickly with almost no resistance.
So yes, weaker compared to Ukraine. Ideal condition for war.
Turns out it doesn't work that well when there's someone with the ability to shoot back, how sad
Doesn't work when there's someone with unlimited support from the world's bullies, that sends weapons every few days and tries to crush your economy. And still the Russians are making progress against the proxy of the bullies.
I find it hard to believe that they would be that stupid. At least Stalin had a legitimate reason for his nonsense, trying not to provoke the Germans into invading before 1942. I'm sure you know that Stalin knew full well that the Germans would invade, he just did not expect it to land in 1941.
Well yeah. Murdering Russians is the point of those American weapons. I also saw Russian accounts claiming that they found munitions in civilian areas in Donetsk supplied by NATO. So not just soldiers. Anything the Kiev regime does is a-OK with the West.
For the record, it's the West and its state religion of hypocrisy that's the problem. The Ukrainians are not acting any more vilely than the Russians, as far as anyone can demonstrate.
It is puzzling. Apart from the facile "Zelensky is a clown" explanations, the only semi-decent explanation that I have seen is that the Russian forces were so poorly arrayed, prepared and equipped for an invasion that the Ukrainians did not take seriously that they would be used for an invasion. I don't know if reports that it was a last-minute decision by VVP are accurate, but if so, that would be consistent with this.
And frankly, 170,000 soldiers for a full-scale invasion of a heavily militarized, heavily fortified country with 800,000 men who had military experience always sounded pretty stupid to me.
The purpose of American weapons (laughably few of them) is to kill Russians, not to "murder" them. What the fuck, again?
Wish they really had your "munitions supposed by NATO". They're fast running out of their own (Soviet and post Soviet) and getting a trickle, like this internally less than dozen HIMARS will only get few reloads each, and the recently arrived M777s got only enough for several days of intense use (and no neweet extended range shells at all). This is extremely little, it's just ridicalous. They work of course, but can be only used very sparsely, in particular against arty, like that: https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1536223829067956228 Otherwise they're so low on their own ammo, just look at https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1536051296872054785 - 4 shots, 3 hits and some shit on fire, and then no more, they can't fire for effect or anything not arty in duels.
Btw, the Taliban just officially thanked Russia for all the (secret) help they have been receiving for 2 decades of fighting against America and allies. That's in their own words. Americans have been talking it for years (including about Russia's Iran Conta drugs for weapons scheme), now it's not a secret anymore.
The final decision to attack (which the Americans announced they know about in a desperate move, and people here laughed about it) was made long in advance. It was then only delayed from Feb 16 to 24.
You forgot to count the DNR/LNR, who forcibly conscripted (at checkpoints) most men aged 18-55 (giving a lot of them WWII bolt action rifles because cannon fodder, not like Russia doesn't have mountains of spare AKs they don't use anymore - it's only "amazing" (https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1525055727286599682) if you think Moscow has any care for them), and evacuated civilians (then brought them back after the attack began). Also long in advance, while meanwhile Ukraine sat on their thumbs and called the Americans not to "spread desinfromation designed to cause panic in the society and disruption in economy" or whatever idiotic way they exactly phrased it. Now they need to shell their own occupied infrastructure to kill the invaders (Invaders Must Die https://youtube.com/watch?v=y2fo5JEanhY), how about that for a disruption. It's a pretty fucking big distruption. "You want peace, prepare for war."
Btw Russians are now also press ganging the men in the newly occupied territories. All while they don't use conscripts from Russia and don't send almost anyone from Moscow or St Pete (plus disproportionately the dead from Russia are ethnic minorities of all sorts).
Not sure how $40 billion, which is close to the military budget of the Ruskies, is 'laughably little', but alright. And Russian sources claim that they have found NATO munitions shot at civilian areas.
Sincere question: why? What is that shithole of a country to you, or to me?
Can you link the statement? I remember the 'Russian bounties' story, which was of course complete bunk.
Regardless, you keep forgetting that my argument is not "Russia good". It's that the West is at least as bad as they claim Russia is.
Then why be so poorly prepared (if those claims are correct, which seems likely to me)? It makes more sense that it was done as a feint, as a bargaining chip, but when Putin realized that the West was absolutely immovable and wouldn't make the slightest concessions - he ordered the invasion.
It seems to me that the Americans were the only ones who wanted and want this war (along with their European puppets), which is why they are so jingoistic about it.
How does that make sense? These are the people Putin hopes to rule. There is not much to rule if people are dead and the rest hate you for sending people to their deaths.
Also, if Russia did send them AKs, the Western countries would cry about 'Russian weapon deliveries'.
Dead civilians have very good propaganda value, which would explain this as well as the behavior of Hamas and Ukraine.
What repellent jingoistic nonsense.
If you want peace, do not try to shift the balance of power. Because if Ukraine is getting stronger and Russia is getting weaker, as was the case, that makes war inevitable - as you well know due to the World War I precedent.
Actually wrong, it was at the Rus Embassy.
https://twitter.com/SamriBackup/status/1535195176100155392
https://twitter.com/ArianaNews_/status/1535240786526228483
I mean, sounds like boilerplate to me. Certainly not $40 billion in 3 months.
One American weapons are very expensive, two only a faction of this goes into military aid.
What is it to me: they fight Russia there so we (and the Baltics, and the Moldovans, and the Georgians again,and others) don't have to fight Russia HERE. But time can come we might have to fight here. An actual World War III, alright. Don't cry about nuclear war then.
Btw this "shithole" is the largest European country. Even used to be the #3 global nuclear superpower, more so than China, for a short while.
You learnt the word "feint" from the desperate rationalisation of Russian defeat ob the northern front, don't you. I know you did
We aren't anyone's puppets. We used to be Moscow'a, 1944-1989. Never again.
Americans openly said they are making this public as to avoid the attack. While Ukraine didn't cooperate and kept making stupid statements to the contrary, and then the sudden rush to make (useless) Molotov cocktails and other last ditch idiocy. Pain
The Taliboys judt visited Moscow, look it up.
They have given them fucking trainload of tanks and artillery, and the airliner-downing Buks, and everything in the past. But that went to the volunteers fighting instead of Russian regulars (well to the "vacationing" regulars too), and not the drafted cannon fodder. About which Strelkov recently said they suffered 70% casualties in infantry on the Kherson front.
It's kinda funny how much doomposting Strelkov is constantly. He may end up purged after all.
What and how "jingoistic nonsense"? The need to smash and burn own farms and factories and public buildings to reach out and touch the invaders hiding inside them?
Russia wasnt ,"getting weaker". Not stop military reforms and rearmament for decades, and tested all this in Syria (this is what they officiallly and publicly called it, testing new weapons, over 320 new systems, tested on humans, the ones who couldn't really fight back https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210715-russia-tested-320-types-of-weapons-in-syria). Turns out it doesn't work that well when there's someone with the ability to shoot back, how sad
Interfering with Russia in its own backyard is what creates the risk for World War III. Russia isn't coming for me, or even for you. Ukraine was a part of Russia for 200 years. No one said anything. Now it's suddenly sacred. No.
Call me when Russia actually invades a state that was not a constituent republic of the USSR.
Just being large does not make you not a shithole.
Unsure. I don't think so.
You and Hungary actually fight back against the GAE. The same cannot be said of other EU member states. Doesn't the EU try to put sanctions on Hungary for preventing homosexual propaganda from being spread to children?
I fear that the American empire will prove worse than what came before. Hungarian and Polish culture survived the communists. It may not survive consumerist, managerial, American capitalism. But surprise me.
I mean, they would look pretty bad if they admitted beforehand "we want this to happen in order to weaken Russia at the expense of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives".
Wasn't he already purged?
"Death to the invaders".
Compare 2022 to 2014. If Russia had invaded in 2014, it would have been a cakewalk. The Banderists were getting their asses kicked by the separatists, for Pete's sake, as much as you want to cite 5 Russian soldiers as the deciding factor. If Russia had invaded in 2014, it would have been over very quickly with almost no resistance.
So yes, weaker compared to Ukraine. Ideal condition for war.
Doesn't work when there's someone with unlimited support from the world's bullies, that sends weapons every few days and tries to crush your economy. And still the Russians are making progress against the proxy of the bullies.