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[Kotaku] Only Three Percent of Twitch’s Top-Earning Streamers Are Women (archive.md)
posted 4 years ago by zakat 4 years ago by zakat +47 / -0
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– zakat [S] 27 points 4 years ago +27 / -0

By now almost everyone proboably has heard from the Twitch leak that happened yesterday.
Even a person of undefined gender over at Kotaku saw it scrolling through their mentions while wondering what to complain about next. So obviously they wrote an article about it.
Of course it wasn't about the lack of security of twitch. Or their shitty coding standards, like hardcoding server credentials (and uploading them to their git (link stolen from reddit LSF)).
Or their lack of response by not notifying their users by mail that their userdata might have been compromised.

No. It's about that only 3 women are in the top 100 of earners. And only 1 female PoC.
Which can only lead to one conclusion: "Twitch has not done enough to support women and other marginalized streamers on its platform."

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– spezpedobestfriend 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Well women make their money on Onlyfans, they use Twitch to find the 10 to 13 year old boys with access to mommies credit card to buy access to see videos their rotten crotches. If they put in the onlyfans money, they'd see that women dominate Twitch. But hey, Twitch can't put out hardcore porn and still be part of Amazon, although I'm sure Twitch execs are chomping at the bit to get into porn, after all they got a large market of children to pervert and groom to be simps.

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– deleted 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0
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– GhostBond 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

Sources mysteriously silent, though, on the opposite being the case on OnlyFans.

P.S. Also everyone was realizing that women made huge amounts of money on OnlyFans in a way men simply can't. This is probably put out there to try to invade that (realistic) narrative.

Speaking of which, how do we know these twitch streamer numbers are real at all? We know they push these lies. This seems like the kind of deliberate op one would run, just push out some fake numbers. It's right in line with their coming after your jobs and your money in pushing the lie that that 'white men' make more money than others.

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– deleted 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0
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– AbleistSL 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Twitch has not done enough to support women and other marginalized streamers on its platform."

by that, they would mean: artificially inflate the popularity of someone because they are black.

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– DNA1 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Or their shitty coding standards, like hardcoding server credentials (and uploading them to their git

How is this even possible? Any large IT company has static analyzers, automated security vulnerability assessments, code submission/deployment reviewal processes, and all types of business minutia. I honestly don't know how any developer or team could fuck up this badly.

As for the code leak, that is incredibly impressive of Amazon, but unless there is a lot of scintillating unique IP baked into it - maybe things like video quality adjustments assuming they aren't the usual legal scams - then I don't think it will matter much in the long run.

The factors that made Twitch successful have always been challengeable. Google's a great example of this given their early acquisition of YouTube. Different priorities, or competencies when it comes to execution, have led to the status quo; either can be overturned, but it doesn't require the data breach.

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– Smith1980 25 points 4 years ago +25 / -0

Why does it matter? Isn’t it on the streamer to get an audience that is willing to watch them? So what if there aren’t enough women.

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– Galean 28 points 4 years ago +28 / -0

Any discrepancy is proof of discrimination, except if it favors women or POC. The alternative would be that, either there are fewer female streamers or that female streamers are not as entertaining or good.

You may think that this would be enough of a reason but it just means that everyone was mean to girls and girls should be promoted more because reasons.

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– deleted 14 points 4 years ago +14 / -0
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– Tourgen 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

Women are children.

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– weezkitty 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

I've literally never seen a male streamer do anything of the sort.

That's because we tolerate women bitching to get their way. Female privilege in action

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– current_horror 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Yuria is a female steamer for Fextralife and is a perfectly normal gamer. Zepla is a Final Fantasy 14 streamer and seems legit. There are definitely decent female streamers out there, but they aren't promoted by the platform. Twitch instead promotes untalented and unlikeable LGBT creators and stupid thots.

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– deleted 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0
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– norwegianwikin 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Check Jenntacles, plays Tarkov and doesn't even have a face cam.

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– current_horror 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

This is the pernicious and insidious nature of Disparate Impact Theory. They pretend to investigate these disparate outcomes, but they've already decided the causes ahead of time. Not surprisingly, those causes are all of the "-isms" promoted by the leftist progressive cult, and the only solutions are more unearned power and resources for those same leftists.

This isn't a theory on my part. This shit is literally codified. These people 100% believe that ascribing any disparity of outcome to anything other than bigotry is, itself, an act of bigotry. This ideology is a perfect self-affirming circle, a pure unfalsifiable kafkatrap, that empowers some of the worst people in the world to attack us with total impunity.

We must ruthlessly attack Disparate Impact Theory at every opportunity. It is the bedrock upon which all other leftist policy is built.

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– Smith1980 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

True. But honestly the company should ignore the screeching on social media. Disparity does not mean discrimination

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– Ralt 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

Twitch the company is very very left. They encourage the screeching.

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– Smith1980 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

Well then they get what they deserve

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– Galean 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

Except people in the companies are really looking for reasons to put in policies that are strangely Marxist, strangely because they are working in a capitalist system.

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– rcglinsk 20 points 4 years ago +20 / -0

Now do onlyfans.

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– Canuckistani_Refugee 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

Keep in mind that the earnings numbers from the Twitch leak are only direct payouts from Twitch. It does not include donations (except through bits), sponsorships, or third party content such as Onlyfans. This article makes 0 mention of this fact.

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– Galean 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

Pokimane is the only woman of color

Pokimane is POC? I thought she was white? Or is that just the light?

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– CumUnitiesWin 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

She's african cosplaying as whasian. Because whites and asians are more valuable than blacks

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– deleted 12 points 4 years ago +12 / -0
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– Galean 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

She fooled me. I thought she may be part asian or something but about it. At least the POC label is even more ridiculous.

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– when_we_win_remember 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I think the fact that mixed race (if I may call Moroccan that -- IDK really) people who can pass as white choose to be PoC tells you everything you need to know about privilege.

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– Lurker404 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

Now you know why it got leaked: to further the narrative.

Same as the Pandora Papers and that Facebook "whistleblower".

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– PostyMcGee 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

I don't really watch streamers, but of the ones I have seen, the girls seem to be doing it because of looks and thirsty followers, who knows if they really like games, I doubt they are very, very good at them. Plenty of ways for males to looks at pretty women on the net, so not enough draw to those streamers when they can get it elsewhere (not that people should be ahem "looking at pretty women" on the net, but I digress). The Men tend to be funnier, have more personality, also seem to have friends to banter with too sometimes, makes it more enjoyable to watch. Plus I'm pretty sure they actually like the game, and some are very, very good. So, no surprise, women being middling, relying on looks when they aren't, then being upset when men put in more effort and reap the rewards. How many of the top female streamers look like Instagram models I wonder? How many have such photo accounts on the side? Can't fix this, because not only does it require no fix, you can't force people to like these women as much, nor make them interesting enough to like either.

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

That's been my experience too. I watch some TrackMania streamers, and the (now as of very recently) top streamer is a woman who is very new to the game, is probably as good at the game as most of her audience, and whose primary appeal seems to be that she's young, attractive, wears low-cut shirts, and shrouds everything she says in sexual innuendo.

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– Brennus 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Then maybe they should be better at streaming

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– ShadistIsACuck 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

Good.

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– Grumman 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

The most watched game on Twitch is GTA5. If women don't choose to play GTA5, they won't get that GTA5 streaming money.

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– censorthisss 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

What do you mean by "right now"? Because unless there's a tournament going on, Fortnite is usually 3rd or 4th in viewer count from what I've seen.

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– Arkana 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

A lot of the top livestreamers ARE women, on Youtube at least. Except they're Japanese vtubers, which is probably not what woke leftists want when they think of "female representation" but it is overwhelmingly what men want to watch and spend their money on.

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– PostyMcGee 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Probably don't know enough about the topic to speak on it or were too lazy to look into J-streamers, or more Asians don't count kind of stuff. Reporters are lazy nowadays, on top of being woke.

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– Arkana 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Most Japanese streamers use youtube. Pretty much only fighting game players and competitive people like that use twitch over there.

Here is a list of the current channels that have earned the most from superchats (donations) on youtube.

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– Hugs 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Yeah, but how many compensate with Onlyfans?

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– JustHereForTheSalmon 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

I was lamenting how many kids with access to their parent's credit card were simping on Baby's First Chaturbate but I'm a little relieved it wasn't as many as I thought.

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– tobeornotto 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

These kind of stories and narratives should be pushed and celebrated.

More diversity and less meritocracy in areas that they already control is good.

The prediction is that it's a bad idea and will lead to the errosion of the institution until it falls. So it should be welcomed.

In chess you can speed ahead with your own plan (beginner), you can try to prevent your opponent's plan (intermediate), or you can allow him to complete his plan but throw off his timing and position yourelf to play around him (advanced).

Let them extend all their energy trying to fix their own spheres. They should be pushed with some sort of not enough X in industry Y daily. Accelerationism should be the rights primary strategy.

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– send_it 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

the successful ones went to onlyfans I guess.

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– realerfunction 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

and?

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– Brennus 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

They Probably would use the opportunity to bitch about voice chat again.

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– GhostBond 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

There problem always comes back to white dudes are bad. So they wouldn't comment if the list was disproportionately POC.

Right, like in reality 99.9% of useful things are invented by men. But by repeating the 0.01% of times particularly manly women did it they gaslight people away from realizing that it's only because of men that we aren't still living in caves and being fed on by bugs at night.

Same thing, of women in nursing, women in cushy highly paid midlevel corporate positions, women on onlyfans - etc - ssssssh quite no one talk about that. But any area where men happen to be the top earners gets pushed.

This leads to the next phase though - at some point they stop "well technnnnically I'm not exactly lying" and move into more outright lying. How do we know these figures are real? Publishing fake "hack" data on 4chan is what I would do if I wanted to push a narrative. Lot easier to push fake data than it is to actually break in and steal it.

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– throwawayaccount2037 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

But the reality is that there simply isn't that many streamers. Can't bitch about "muh only three percent" crap if the entire demographics out there is also incredibly small.

I think a lot of people tend to forget about the high entry level for effective streaming.

You can't go in with a potato PC or a middling internet connection, so that extricates a large pool of prospective streamers right there.

You need to spend big bucks on a very durable setup. Most top-earning streamers have two or three PCs, one to game on, one for chat/monitoring the stream, and sometimes another for utilitarian purposes.

You need a good lighting setup, a very comfortable chair, a good mic, and a very high-quality web camera.

Now even if you do have all of that stuff, the real challenge begins: actually producing entertaining content worth watching. Some people have the money to burn on an impressive setup but lack the social capital, charisma, or gaming skills to capitalize on the setup itself.

So once you start whittling down the people who meet the prerequisites to be a successful streamer, you'll find that very few people actually can be successful streamers. And out of that group it requires an extremely dedicated mindset and either a large enough personality to compensate for a lack of in-game skills, or extremely talented individuals to compensate for a lack of personality.

Barring skill or personality, thots can just bare some cleavage for a couple of hours and rack up a sizable amount of dough.

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